User talk:Magog the Ogre

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Syrian map[edit]

Hola, acabo de ver esta edición. Solo quería cumplir este consenso (piensa en asumir buena fe antes de acusar de POV). Podrías editar la descripción del modo que creas correcto para incluirlo? -Joan301009 (talk) 18:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Joan301009: sí; lo haré. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Magog, please refer to this discussion on the issue of adding Israel as belligerent on Syrian civil war maps.Greyshark09 (talk) 09:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm somewhat agnostic as to whether it should be included. However, I do know that referring to land in the hands of each of the belligerents as controlled while under Israel as occupied is obvious POV-pushing. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
How is that "pov", Magog? Please explain. The vast majority of the international community including the UN and EU say that Israel is occupying the Golan Heights, so that is the correct term for it. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
@SD: It's a land with a lot of different warring factions, and the UN and the international community have condemned other groups as well, notably ISIS and the Syrian government. Our job is not to decide who we think is best and shove that down the throat of the user; our job is just to report the facts on the ground and to avoid loaded terms while doing so. Also, as I've pointed out to you before, but you (unsurprisingly) seem to have missed, you are suffering a severe case of megalomaniacal point of view: the idea that other people's opinions ought to be ignored rather than treated neutrally. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Who is deciding: "who we think is best and shove that down the throat of the user" ? The facts on the ground is that Israel is occupying part of Syria. The word used by the international community is "occupied". This is not what "I" think is the best, this is the international community, the extreme vast majority. You want wikipedia and commons to take the side of a very small minority (Israel). If we would go by that exact same standard then we cant say that Haifa is "in Israel" since some Palestinians and Arabs and muslim states don't recognize Israel and refer to the area as Occupied Palestine. But no, you do not want to do this, you only want to take the Israeli side. When its turned around you don't want to apply this. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
There is no point in discussing this with you. You have several times literally ignored the main thrust of my logic and tried to divert attention to another subargument. People who intentionally ignore part of a conversation in order to push an agenda are by definition POV-pushers. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Need some help[edit]

Hi, regarding this edit, I think I need some assistance here. The documentation with the "PD-anon-auto-1996" template states that it is applicable if a file: (1) was first published outside the United States (check), (2) was first published before 1978 without complying with U.S. copyright formalities (check) and (3) was in the public domain in its home country on the relevant URAA date (2004, check). The book was published without a copyright notice. The publisher does not exist any more, but all rights have been transferred to the library of the University of Wageningen, which has put the whole book online open access, without copyright notice. The photo is without credit (hence anonymous). It therefore seemed to me that "PD-anon-auto-1996" was applicable, but the template does not display correctly and gives an error message. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your assistance! --Randykitty (talk) 18:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@Randykitty: - the problem is that it was published in 1980, and the Netherlands had no requirement that a work have a copyright notice on it. As such, its copyrights were restored in the US on the URAA date (1996, incidentally). Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:57, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

So is there another template that I should use or is this just a copyvio in that case? Or can I contact the library at Wageningen and ask them to send an email at OTRS? --Randykitty (talk) 08:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

@Randykitty: currently it is a copyvio. It is always worth a try through OTRS - sometimes subjects are willing to agree to the terms. A good starting point is Commons:Email templates(English)/Commons:E-mailsjablonen(Dutch). Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyright license[edit]

@Magog the Ogre: Hello. You labeled my File while it has 2 Copyright licenses in Wikipedia. The problem is: The licenses are provided in WikiFa (Persian Wikipedia) and are specially for Iran (there's not a similar license in Wiki commons). Please help me to keep this file. Many of thanks Aviow (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@Aviow: - please see Commons:Fair use. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
So, What should I do about the LOCAL COPYRIGHT LICENSE problem? If THE FILE be deleted from WIKIMEDIA COMMONS, will it still stay on WikiFa (Persian Wikipedia)? Thanks for your attention Aviow (talk) 18:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
@Aviow: no, it is allowed on Persian Wikipedia. In the future, please make an effort to read more closely; the article I linked clearly shows this. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 19:33, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Funny bot-edit[edit]

Hi. this edit looks a bit strange (the license part). If you still run the script then perhaps you could fix it. File is in the license migration category so users should check and fix eventually so no big deal. --MGA73 (talk) 17:49, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

@MGA73: D'oh! Nice catch, I've never seen that one; and I'll work to fix it when I am home and have some time. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to clean out Category:License migration candidates and found it there :-). Perhaps you could tell your bot to replace Bild-GFDL with GFDL and the other redirects? I think it makes it easer to clean up. Also changing substing Template:Kettős licenc and similar would help. --MGA73 (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
@MGA73: - can you give me an example of where the GFDL and its redirect could be fixed? The change is easy to make, but I'd like to test it first. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Magog the Ogre. In files like File:Werner Thissen (2007).jpg, File:جواهرده.jpeg and the other files in Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Bild-GFDL the license could be changed. Also files like File:Oberndorf Kirche 1976 ret.jpg could be changed. There could also be cases with other templates like PD-self where it would be better to use the english name instead of. "مالکیت عمومی-خود " --MGA73 (talk) 16:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Another example File:Seoska Arhitektura.jpg + File:Cathédrale orthodoxe de Zaječar.jpg. --MGA73 (talk) 19:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
The first was an innocuous enough fix.[1] The second one will require a rewrite that I honestly may not have time to do. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, that template should be pointing to Template:GFDL-sr. I will fix this at some point shortly. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
It is not a big problem so just fix the easy parts :-) --MGA73 (talk) 17:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


I do have a question. I want to ask how other people do uploads football logos that are from the same site i got and theirs arent deleted but mine do. How it works? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvanMilkov (talk • contribs) 20:40, September 6, 2014‎ (UTC)

@IvanMilkov: which football uploads are you referring to? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:45, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Updates for User:OgreBot/Notable uploads[edit]

Is is possible to add update functionality to User:OgreBot/Notable uploads similar to User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: I'll put it on my list of fixes. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:44, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Toolserver tool[edit]

Hi magog,

this is really more a question form curiosity because i have never used the tool but in the German wiki there are still a few links to:

So I was wandering do you plan to port this tool? Is it worth it?

Regards --Nachcommonsverschieber (talk) 16:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@Nachcommonsverschieber: I didn't port it because no one was using it. I can port it if you think you might use it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed the links. If anybody misses them I guess they will come back to you. Regards --Nachcommonsverschieber (talk) 17:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Charles Compton Reade.jpg[edit]

This image is on with a do not move to Commons tag. I'm not familiar with dealing with these. Should it be speedied or DR'd? INeverCry 20:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@INeverCry: In this case, it has the PD-US-1923-abroad license, but no one explicitly marked it as Keep Local. The license just says that the image was probably published before 1923, and is thus free in the US, although not necessarily in its home nation. If you are sure that it is free in its home nation too, then you can feel free to transfer it to Commons or mark it transferred. The only other time you need to worry is if someone explicitly marked it Keep Local, as they wanted it to be on English Wikipedia for whatever reason. Then you have to go through FFD. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I've tagged it with CSD F8 on INeverCry 00:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Custom license marker[edit]

Hi. I noticed that {{Custom license marker}} is on files like File:Fuente de la Plaza Escultor García Rueda 002.JPG. Can you think of cases where it is usefull? If not perhaps your bot could remove it :-) --MGA73 (talk) 13:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

@MGA73: I don't know why it's on there. Try asking at COM:VP; I'm sure there's some reason for it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Magog. I posted on VP :-) --MGA73 (talk) 11:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Great Mosque of Xi'an (5).JPG and cleanup TS[edit]

Hi Magog. Cleanup TS would make a strange addition to this file description page. That same would have happened with this old version and File:Grabmal Müffling Brühler Garten.jpg. Could you please check that? --Leyo 07:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that sometimes users make mistakes like using "((" instead of "{{" and one "{" instead of 2 "{{". It would be nice if the script could count the number of "{" and fix them. Or at least if we could have a list of all pages with a wrong number of "{" and "}". Hope Magog can do magic :-) --MGA73 (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Leyo, MGA73: This actually sounds pretty difficult. Maybe the bot could add a new template like {{Pages with incorrectly transcluded templates}}. We would have to fix this by hand. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea. In case there would be several dozen files per day, we would need to find additional helping hands. --Leyo 22:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Leyo and Magog. Are most of the files not in Category:Pages using Information template with syntax errors? --MGA73 (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Probably not (any more). Just replace “}}” of a language template of a random file description page by e.g. “))”. It will likely not even be in any maintenance category. --Leyo 17:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
That's an overly specific case. 99% of incorrect templates wouldn't be so easy to fix. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I am unsure what you mean. I was replying to MGA's comment above and described on how to produce a file with an uneven number of waivy brackets that is not is Category:Pages using Information template with syntax errors. Hence, I assume that there would be more cases than that. --Leyo 00:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Leyo perhaps we should pay rent to Magog for using so much space on his talk page :-D
If Magog think it is a good idea and can spare some time and fix the bot so it adds a template we will know shortly how big the problem is. We can evaluate after a few weeks and if it is a success then we celebrate and if not Magog can always remove the template from the script. --MGA73 (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. :-) --Leyo 17:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I checked and fixed some and the most common error is "User:Some name|Some name" without the [[ and ]] around. But Probably not worth the time to fix the script. --MGA73 (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

This edit[edit]

Hi this edit made me wonder about the "nobots". Perhaps you could remove it? --MGA73 (talk) 15:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@MGA73: Peachy is supposed to ignore such pages altogether, although obviously it is failing. Maybe you should talk to the guy who makes the tools and have him/her ignore that template? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
You just made my brain stop working... Is it not Ogre bot that made this edit? Anyway it is not a big deal for me as long as the edits are okay :-D --MGA73 (talk) 13:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The template was already on the page. In reality, the bot shouldn't be editing the page to begin with. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes that is true. I think it was wrong to have the nobots on the page in the first place but it is probably better to have humans remove it. Lets just close this one :-) --MGA73 (talk) 10:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Jen Taylor.jpg[edit]

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Thank you for uploading File:Jen Taylor.jpg to the Wikimedia Commons. I noticed that when you uploaded from another Wikimedia project, you left out some important information, or copied it incorrectly. In the future, please consider using CommonsHelper, a tool which automates the process of moving files over. Thank you,

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Magog. I did not know this tool at all. OK, I will try it next time. Thank you for notifying me--Archimëa (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)