User talk:Magog the Ogre

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"Unless someone asks me otherwise"[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems&diff=166847109&oldid=166841561

I asking you, but since you have doubts of some sort, I'm asking in the context of a friendly talk page discussion. Look at the following:

How does this community reconcile the fact the same bureaucrat who advocated desysopping INeverCry is adamantly defending Russavia at every opportunity? Russavia made INeverCry miserable at every opportunity, yet Odder never advocates any action against Russavia, only against Russavia's opponent. I see favoritism in this community, even in its highest echelons in the form of bureaucrat Odder.

Can you also not see how favoritism was created for you? You took a more more popular approach to sysopship than Fastily did. You became a prolific bot operator, while Fasily became a prolific deleter. People saw you as helping their uploaded files, while people saw Fasily as destroying their work. This made you a community favorite and Fasily a menace in the community's eyes. I believe that your popularity and Fasily's unpopularity had much to do with the outcome of the dispute between Fasily and you. A vote under these circumstances would always swing towards popularity contest rather than justice. Do you believe otherwise? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 18:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I will respond to this, but it will take me a bit to form a fully competent answer. I will give you the TL;DR beforehand:
  • Yes, I do believe the community shows favoritism, as do many communities. I don't like it either.
  • Fastily had a lot of complaints. Some were unfair ("he deleted my photo", "oh c'mon, stop being such a square with this precautionary principle nonsense!"). However, others were quite fair and accurate. It's worthwhile to note that he was entirely unrepentant and unwilling to change his future behavior, as expounded by his final statement. Anyway, because you asked, I will soon provide a list of concrete examples, rather than just accusations.
Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
@Michaeldsuarez: First off, I'm sorry about the belated response. I've procrastinated, which was rude of me.
Second off, I have to be completely honest. Yes, I do see how there might be favoritism. What would you propose that I or the community do at this situation? I am open to suggestions.
Third off, regarding Fastily: I don't like it very much either when people get upset that their images are being deleted when they should be deleted. And yes, some of that caused Fastily to be unfairly disliked. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. I got over it. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow! A found an image purported to be of my father...[edit]

Big problem: an image of some guy in a soldier's uniform standing in front of dead bodies in a concentration camp somehow found it's way onto the web through wikicommons. Now, the picture is being used on Holocaust denial sites, Arab sites and this is really offensive to a lot; I mean a lot of people. I am being forced to file a Federal complaint as long as and anywhere this image exists. Please help. I know you are not bad people, but this is indecent communication, at least, and possibly defamatory. Location of image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Capt.Alfred_de_Grazia_at_Dachau_concentration_camp,_ca_May_1st_1945.jpg {{Jagtig (talk) 19:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)}}

Also: Here is the Wikipedia page that the image was taken from for use at Negative POV sites across the web: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_de_Grazia
Here is some discussion of the event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alfred_de_Grazia —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.24.111.82 (talk) 20:30, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
@Jagtig: this is not a circumstance I've ever come across on-wiki before, and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. Any approach could have negative or positive consequences. This is a rare case where I'd recommend you contact info-en-at-wikimedia.org and an OTRS volunteer can hopefully walk you through the process. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Category of files[edit]

Hi is it possible to categorize some files that I've just uploaded? How ? --Prc90 (talk) 09:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)Prc90

@Prc90: you might want to read this: Commons:Categorie. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

LokomotorasTutorial[edit]

I have a question for you about Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/LokomotorasTutorial. Why did you block all of LokomotorasTutorial sockpuppet accounts but not LokomotorasTutorial itself. Did I not put together the Requests for checkuser correctly?--ARTEST4ECHO talk 18:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Not that it matters even one bit, but to answer you comment, I got the IP address from User:Taichi as I noted in the checkuser. I opened the checkuser for LokomotorasTutorial after I put a number of LokomotorasTutorial images up for deletion and Taichi mentioned all his sockpuppets (including the IPs) and User:MarcoAurelio suggested someone needed to open a checkuser. I just don't want you to think I pull those IP address out of thin air. Anyway, I await you response to my original question about LokomotorasTutorial not being block.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 18:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@ARTEST4ECHO: I was not entirely sure that the sockpuppetry was intentionally malicious. I was 99% sure. Still, I am a big believer in the "give 'em enough rope" method of handling borderline cases, especially as the user in question almost always avails themselves of said rope. The chances that this guy will return to his original account and edit constructively are quite low, but it's worth a try. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Updated Copyright Info[edit]

Hey there!

Thanks for giving me a heads up on the logo and screenshot. I'm still not sure if the wiki markup I used is correct. Thanks!

Crystal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystal7174 (talk • contribs) 13:41, August 20, 2015‎ (UTC)

@Crystal7174: no. On Commons, we do not host material published by other parties unless they formally agree to release most of their copyrights. Making something publicly available is different than allowing other people to use it. This is different from most sites on the internet, and it also different than some Wikipedias, which allow for fair use.
However, in this circumstance, because it is an extremely simple logo made up of plain letters and shapes, we can keep it around.[1] We can only do that with this type of logo. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 20:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

About copyright[edit]

Hello Magog the Ogre!


  1. File:Горный стрелок в центре Самбора.jpg
  2. File:Встреча с командирами РККА.jpg
  3. File:Прием капитуляции Лемберга (Львова).jpg

These files are taken in Livejornal, on a page nobody varjag_2007 .

First published in the propagandist album of III Reich, in 1940, by a publishing house "Echer":

"Wir zogen gegen Polen. Kriegserinnerungswerk des VII. Armeekorps" In the illustrated edition narrated about the Polish hike of Gebirgsjägers subdivisions of de:Wehrmacht, in September, 1939. A publishing house was under patronage NSDAP and personally de:Alfred Rosenberg.

Author, more faithful editor of edition de:Johannes Kai, pseudonym of Hanns Wiedmann.

"Wir zogen gegen Polen.". widely spread in III Reich by the party asset NSDAP and was official edition propagandizing the policy of grab of Wehrmacht and III Reich in 1939.

Prompt me, how to be with licensing? What "license" to specify? Photos is rare enough and illustrate the article about a city ru:Самбор. On a photo a city Sambor is represented those years.
File:Echer 1940 Munchen.jpg
File:Echer 1940 Munchen-2.jpg


More about:

  1. Amazon
  2. http://antikvariat.ru/auto/2868/61577/#.VdbUn-EViMo
  3. http://www.od43.com/Zogen.html
  4. http://www.veteransfootlocker.com/cgi-bin/display_item.asp?1573

Public resource:


With kind regards,
Frutti-mytti (talk) 08:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

@Frutti-mytti: because the author died in 1999, the images are not public domain in the EU or Russia until 2070. You will therefore need to contact the heirs of the author and ask for their permission to release the images under a free license. See Commons:Email templates (English), Commons:E-Mail-Vorlagen (German), Commons:OTRS/ru (Russian).
I realize that is probably a lot more than you were hoping for. But if you are willing to go through with the communication, a lot people are knowledge lovers and are surprisingly willing to give up most of their rights. If you are willing, I will help you through the process, although it may actually involve physical mail.
I also thank you for being honest about the source of these images. Sometimes users are not honest, and Commons therefore hosts material illegally, which causes problems for users. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 20:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:PD-USGov-USDA-NAL-Pomological-Watercolors[edit]

Please add it to list of valid templates. User:PomologicalBot will upload a lot of images from this source. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: ✓ Done. For future reference, if you add a hidden category that starts with PD- or PD[space], then the bot will automatically recognize it as licensed. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Metadata[edit]

Hello Magog, can you please delete the metadata on this, this and this charters? Jaqeli 16:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jaqeli: ✓ Done Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:01, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Jaqeli 19:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

File:New World Order - Sarajevo 2015.pdf[edit]

Hello, dear 'Magog the Ogre': I'm sorry this means trouble to you as for being an 'ogre' you certainly would want to avoid issues like this. If someone wants to delete my file then please only for giving a substantiated evidence-based reason, please. There has been some serious 'trial fixing' going on in Sarajevo just after the Archduke's + Queen of Bohemia's assassination on 28 June 1914. His shirt that been slashed with blood stains around the center does and lack of bloodstains to his collar nor shoulder regions does NOT MATCH the diagnosis 'bullet wound to the neck'. This comes from me - a medically and forensically trained professional (please request my real details confidentially and you may look me up on European medical register.) Online there is a 'death certificate' on the Oesterreichisches Staatsarchiv issued one month AFTER funeral by the local Parish in Vienna. That cannot be right, as no 'Dr of theology' may issue a death certificate. The issuing of death certificates lies SOLELY in the hands of medical doctors, that are trained to certify death and its correct diagnosis. We have nothing of that sort available by the local medics in 1914 based in Sarajevo who must have taken medical care of both, Archduke's and Queen's treatment. Plus the trial itself in Sarajevo includes flogging of several members of the 'Black Hand', which was against Austrian law at that time (Empress Maria Theresa's 'Constitutio Criminalis Theresiana, 1768) - meaning: there had NOT been a fair trial. Nor had been other witnesses been heard, aport from Count von Harrach's written statement, not translated by a professional - no other witness, not from the 6-car convoy nor from the locals - this looks to me like a serious trail fixing. Also the clothes of the Duchess are missing, including here jewellery. There is a lot of more evidence that the dealings with the assassination were utterly 'wrong' - so it is a matter of world-wide public interest to conclude 100 years on by whom. Charles I's 'coronotion' being the offspring of a 'morganatic' marriage and 'Zita's von Bourbon-Parma' being the offspring of a 'morganatic marriage' and then the ensuing aftermath of the wrong lineage of 'Habsburg' in line for the throne - Charles' coronation shows exactly who was pulling the strings for him being a 'puppet monarch'. This is of PUBLIC INTEREST - this needs to be given a re-trial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DougieLionheart (talk • contribs) 18:24, August 31, 2015‎ (UTC)

@DougieLionheart: I think that you may have brought up an interesting point. However, I don't think that Wikimedia Commons is really the right place to publish this. See Commons:Scope#PDF and DjVu formats. You probably would be better off publishing in an academic setting. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Special Barnstar Hires.png The Special Barnstar
Thank you for uploading "File: Letter about Rear Admiral Richard R. McNulty" to wiki commons. I replaced my original description of the letter in the Wikipedia article United States Merchant Marine Academy, where the letter appears, with the much improved description of the letter that you provided when you uploaded it to commons. Much thanks. Albiet (talk) 01:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Image "time capsules"/undelete in some future year[edit]

Hello Magog the Ogre. We have recently come into contact regarding one image from North Korea. Thank you for your insights. I would like to seek your advice on a more general topic. I have long been frustrated that I may be aware of valuable images and other media that I can't upload now because they are under copyright, but decades from now when they become part of the PD, then nobody may think to upload them to Wikimedia Commons. Now we are more aware of our contemporary popular culture, and decades from now many of the works worthy of being in Wikimedia may fall into oblivion. That is why it caught my attention that you included a tag to one image "Category:Undelete in 2019", which seems to be some sort of solution to the problem I was outlining.

I have tried to look for information about it, but not much seems to be out there. I just found a person sharing the same interest in this page. The advice posted there by some other user was to:

Is that the best way to go about uploading media for the benefit of future generations?

I would really appreciate your thoughts and advice on policies and best practices on this. Thank you. (talk) Al83tito 13:08, 01 Sep 2015 (UTC)

@Al83tito: Commons doesn't have any such system at the moment. It is an interesting idea, but one I think you'd probably need to coordinate with the Wikimedia Foundation. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Jacksonville Jaguars radio affiliates.png[edit]

Hi, could you mark Jacksonville in this picture? Thanks.--JTCEPB (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

@JTCEPB: yes, it might take me a few days though because I need to recreate the map from scratch. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons has a specific scope[edit]

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Thank you for your contributions. Your image or other content, File:BIOGRAFIA SERGIO DE SALAS.pdf, was recently deleted, or will soon be deleted, in accordance with our process and policies, because it was not, or is not, within our scope. Please review our project scope, but in short, Commons is targeted at educational media files including photographs, diagrams, animations, music, spoken text and video clips. The expression “educational” is to be understood according to its broad meaning of “providing knowledge; instructional or informative”. Wikimedia Commons does not contain text articles like encyclopedia articles, textbooks, news, word definitions and such. Each of these other kinds of content have their own projects: Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wiktionary and Wikiquote.

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Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Daily gallery updater has failed on User:Paris 16/Recent uploads[edit]

Category:Collections of Musée national de la Marine | Category:Burials at the Père-Lachaise Cemetery | Category:Copies of Nike of Samothrace

Hi! Please don't list files in the categories above in my Recent uploads gallery. Thank you!--Paris 16 (talk) 06:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)