File talk:Emblem of Kazakhstan (1992-2014).svg

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[1]	13:18, 28 November 2008	User:Yann
[2]	17:25, 21 November 2008	User:BetacommandBot
[3]	19:14, 27 October 2008	User:Avala
[4]	18:30, 21 October 2007	User:83.89.43.14
[5]	08:06, 3 September 2007	User:Easyplex
[6]	22:28, 6 November 2006	User:PavelD
[7]	20:35, 29 August 2006	User:AlefZet
[8]	19:32, 29 August 2006	User:AlefZet	({{Information |Description=Coat of arms of Kazakhstan (flat) |Source= |Date=2006-08-30 |Author=AlefZet |Permission= |other_versions= }})

Which version should we use.

Bingread's extreme-ownership and personal attacks aside, this is a collaborative project, and I'm now going to call for a vote on which version we use, which both I and Bingread will be forced to stand by.

Throughout this matter, I have attempted to make the file match the sources out there. The source I originally had was this coin. I therefore tried to make it match that as best I could. I wasn't really happy with the result, but that's the best I could do. Bingread didn't like it, and after a little teeth-pulling, posted 2 sources. I couldn't pratically make it look like this one, but I was able to change the file to match his second source. The result is this version. I took the colours for my version directly from Bingread's second source. However, Bingread continues to force his version, which does not match.

Therefore, I am now calling a vote. Based upon Bingread's second source, which of the two shall we use? Version A or Version B. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Version B looks better and is more faithful to the dark lines found in [9]. (Version A may have more accurate fill colours, but it's not better than B overall IMO.) If there is genuine disagreement, we host both, no question. We don't "use" either, that is up to the wikis. --99of9 (talk) 03:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
• Contour Version B, tincture Version A, a coin is never a source for coloring. Nevertheless a contour is never colored in heraldry (for example in German). -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 04:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
  •  評論 Perhellion, I'm not using the coin as a source anymore. That was before Bingread posted his own sources, which I didn't have at the time. Now I'm using Bingread's own choice of source for my version. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok I see now some details are not perfekt, but you are right, the tincture could be from your version. So I suggest tinge only the gold and blue in the last version. (As third person I would do this.) -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 04:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The only real diffference between the two versions besides the fill colours, is that Bingread's outlines are all in solid black, and mine are a dark brown, and also my version fixed the outer ring. Just saying this for everyone's reference. Let the voting continue. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Version B because it is more faithful to the text and specifications of KR ST 989-2008. However, both versions do not use the correct colors. Both golds are incorrect (Pantone 109 (FED100) according to the standard) while this current version does not use Pantone 3125 of the blue shade (00B0CA in hex). My sources for the specific shades can be obtained from http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/colorfinder.aspx. I ask that this version be modified so the correct colors can be used. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, if we have official colours, then neither version I guess. However Zscout, I would like to implement my corrections to the back outline. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

If you can, try and upload that, using the colors I found, in another file so we can compare, that would be best. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I went to the Pantone Finder you linked, and I am putting in the colours as you prescribed. However, after I'm done, as long as there are no other concerns, I would suggest we protect the file because i don't believe Bingread will accept the change. I will be done momentarily. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I am done and it is uploaded, but I think it will take a moment for the servers to make sense of all these revisions. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• A (by Fry with brown outlines)
• B (by Fry with black outlines)

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  C (original without Fry's fixes, with black outline)

Oh wait, I didn't read "on another file". Crap. Done. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Anyhow, Zscout, I have your colours, the only difference between yours and mine is the colour of the outlines. Mine are brown while yours are black (so they look more heavy, but they are at the same setting). Is it acceptable? Fry1989 ^eh? 06:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Not really, you have a thicker outer ring and you also not used the optimized version. I think all votes for B mean they dislike the brown outlines... -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 07:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The black outline does seem more accurate, looking at the only "flat" source that we have on that document. However, neither set of colours seem to match, so whether that is an issue with the source or the Pantone colours that have been chosen for our version, I don't know. I'm not sure what there is to discuss here other than the outline? NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 09:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I like black outlines better than brown. --99of9 (talk) 11:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhellion, yes I have a thicker outer ring. That's what I was talking about when I was saying I fixed the outer ring. On the original, it was under the rays, so they looked weird. I put it on top, so that it works better. I don't mind if everyone decides the outlines should be brown or black, I would just like those fixes I made to be on the file. If everyone wants it black, I've uploaded a second version with black outlines. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I feel version C would be better to use. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I have to ask you to look again at my fix to the outer ring on B. With it underneath the rays on C, they're irregular, with my correction they're uniform. That's the only thing I have to be insistant on, because it's an actual error to the file. Other than that, B is identical to C. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Here are two comparison close-ups so you can see what I mean. This is C. Because the rays don't reach completely to the outside, and because the outer ring is below them and thinner, they have these cracks of blue at the end, and rounded edges. This is B, with my correction. By placing the outer ring above the rays, and making it a bit thicker, it meets the end of the rays and makes them uniform. Understand now? Fry1989 ^eh? 04:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I am looking at it where we should try and do what we can to remain faithful to the PK CT document so anything with the brown outlines I will not support. I still prefer version C. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

But I mean the pantone-colorfinder is really no reliable reference, for example s. w:Swiss_red#Color, or all other CD references for CoA. It is rather the recommendation not to use RGB conversion, but anyway, it's just a note to "officially" is. The reference also shows a bit more details. The explicit given RGB values are:R-225 G-196 B-24(cur. R-254 G-209 B-0) and R-0 G-176 B-199(cur. R-0 G-176 B-202 nearly identical). -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 15:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Fry, I agree with you on the rays at the top, but your thick black line covers the end of some of the blue/yellow rays at about 10 o'clock. My preference would be for the circle to be cotangent with the outer leaf. Also, you missed one brown line. --99of9 (talk) 06:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I did? Where? I can't find it. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I think perhaps the bars need to be extended to the edge and clipped instead of making the outline bigger. Some details on the very edge are indeed covered up by the thick border. Other than that, I think the slightly heavier borders of C (it might just be my eyes!) are better. Very difficult to tell at this point! NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 21:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you're refering to the mythical horses, they're above the outer ring, the reason the end of their wings look covered is because everything has a black border, so you can't tell where the wings end and the outer ring beings. That problem isn't going to go away unless we have different coloured borders for different parts of the emblem. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's accurate. We simply need to correct the length of the rays, which would mean the border could stay the same size. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 10:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

In the middle of the boundary between the biggest and second-biggest frond of leaves on the left. --99of9 (talk) 23:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see it now. I thought I got everything. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Fry it's for you a "Official document - Certificate of Ministry of Justice " to see this outline is "black" nothing like "broun" - http://www.transparencykazakhstan.org/UserFiles/Image/%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%20%D0%B2%D0%BE.jpg Bingread (talk) 23:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

You're the one who kept reverting to THIS, atleast I was trying to match the colours from YOUR source. So don't point out my mistakes unless you want you dirty laundry aired too. Does it look pale yellow to you, or more like the gold I put in? Whether I made the outlines brown or black is no excuse for the childish attacks you gave against me. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)r

I'm not angry, but you're the one who tried to modify in its sole discretion without sources, only with yours obstinacy and continue to prove that you are right. I was hoping for a constructive dialogue with arguments, and I admit I was wrong, but you do not acknowledge never. Bingread (talk) 23:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

"But you're the one who tried to modify in its sole discretion without sources", ARE YOU KIDDING ME? When I made it like this, I posted a source. When I made it like this,. I used your god damn source and took the gold and blue directly from it! Meanwhile, you kept reverting to your crapy version which DIDN'T even use the colours from YOUR OWN source. I havent' made a single unsourced edit on this file, but YOU DID. It took you three edits to finally post yours. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

If you have enough energy to continue to argue endlessly, it's amazing! Just read this document [10], there is a picture, look at them, unfortunately I did coat before he found this document and, therefore, my colors was wrong. Bingread (talk) 00:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Bingread, that is enough. This is what got you blocked in the first place and messages like the one above is going to result in longer blocks. Just stop now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok I'm not will continue for dispute, I just tell everyone thanks for the help in resolving this issue. Bingread (talk) 00:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Can someone please revert back to my upload of Bingread's version with closer margins to the file leading edges? It truly is "my way or the highway" with this Bingread. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Now you are just grasping at straws. Most of the uploads here had the border (sure it could shrink) and you need to come up with why such margins are going to be bad. It can be shrunk, but this reverting is getting fucking pointless. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, was that directed at me or Bingread? As I stated above, I didn't change anything, I just made the border closer. I generally prefer the margins to be as close as possible because that way when it is used on projects, there's no excess blank space around the file, especially when it is used in templates. If that was directed at me, I would suggest that it is actually Bingread who should explain why having the margins closer is a bad thing. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Btw, there are several examples, such as this one, where I have shrunk the margins and it has reduced the file size. So sometimes it even has a practical and positive purpose here on Commons. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I was just frustrated at all parties; it takes two to tango. Anyways, I think the margins could be reduced but with the way you were doing it was not working. I would have done it something maybe like 385x385 and perhaps have it fixed by a text editor than Inkscape. I understand what you want to do, but I noticed when you put the margins closer, the edges will go off the canvas by just tiny margins (but will still look odd, IMHO). I guess a lot of things happened when I was out, so I am trying to catch up now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes I noticed after uploading that it cut off the edges a tad, some times that happens, so I re-uploaded with it a bit farther spaced out. But I'm glad you can understand why I do it, and thanks for RevDelling all that ugly edit-warring. I really had no problem with Bingread's latest version, I just wanted the borders closer. I really do not understand why he didn't like that, and he didn't give a reasoning behind it either, so I can only assume it's a form of extreme ownership combined with a dislike of me after our little spat. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Redirect name to Emblem of Kazakhstan.svg

The correct name is Emblem of Kazakhstan! --Rkt2312 (talk) 16:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Latin alphabet

Hello, we know that Kazakhstan will get soon the Latin alphabet fully. And the emblem needs to be in Latin alphabet, can someone please change this? --TayfunEt. (留言) 20:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename request

{{Edit request}} Since this is not the current emblem of Kazakhstan, I request that the following files be renamed.

Emblem of Kazakhstan -> Emblem of Kazakhstan (1992-2018)

Emblem of Kazakhstan latin -> Emblem of Kazakhstan 98.213.225.105 13:46, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I moved this file. I actually think "Emblem of Kazakhstan latin" is a better choice than just "Emblem of Kazakhstan", though. I won't move that, though no objection if someone else does. - Jmabel ! talk 18:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello it should be 2014. @Jmabel: see [11] and [12]. Beshogur (留言) 21:10, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Well then why on earth didn't someone address that discrepancy in the several months that this was sitting here as a request? And people wonder why admins don't rush to deal with requests like this. Will move again. - Jmabel ! talk 21:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)