File talk:Flag of Mauritania.svg

 

Specifications

I added the full specifications of the flag to article of Mauritania flag [[1]] , soon i'll draw an image as construction sheet - Lin Kuei Warriors - 09:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit request}} Please add Category:Flags with red stripes. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:49, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Please also add {{en|1=Flag of Mauritania, adopted in 2017.}} to the description. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:50, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

 完成 --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 02:53, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit request (2)

{{Edit request}} Please add {{Insignia}} to the license. Thanks. Tbhotch™ 22:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

 完成 Guanaco (留言) 13:21, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Why the crescent change?

The recent flag change only added red bands. There is no reason to portray a different crescent than on the flag as previously portrayed on wiki. Cordially. --Aréat (留言) 04:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I propose replacing it with one with an unchanged crescent, then. --Aréat (留言) 04:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

cf Commons:Deletion requests/File:Drapeau de la Mauritanie.svg — 以上未簽名的留言是由該使用者加入的： Aréat (留言 • 貢獻) 04:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Why change this file if there’s already a suitable alternative? Seems a ‘backdoor’ method of deletion, turning a file into a duplicate. Rather, it can be tagged as inaccurate/disputed, or even renamed. What representation best suits a particular purpose should be up to the users; it’s against Commons policy to impose uniformity where there’s reasonable disagreement.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Actually, with regard to the previous flag, use of a 'backdoor' deletion method is the sole reason why the file for the former flag was modified to also include a changed crescent shape. Someone went in and made it incredibly difficult to find the original file that was once displayed everywhere prior to the addition of red stripes to the flag. Whoever did it changed the colors crescent shape of the old flag to make it look like the crescent shape of the new flag (even though the crescent shape wasn't changed...). BrendonTheWizard (留言) 23:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I felt like I was going crazy. The crescent as it is portrayed here isn't the one we've been portraying for years before the red stripes addition, and the act say nothing about a change of crescent. The one here is the alternative being proposed, and thus should be a separate file, not override this one. --Aréat (留言) 06:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Considering whoever went and changed the pre-red-stripe version of the flag did it without consensus and tried to bury the original file, anyone that wants to undo that is more than welcome to. This is what the pre-red-stripe version should look like, because it's how it actually looked. The version displayed on the article today is ahistoric and counterfactual. BrendonTheWizard (留言) 23:53, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Update I found out who replaced the original 1960 to 2017 flag. It was User:Ibentiris, a confirmed sockpupet who's already been blocked indefinitely. They tried soft-deleting the original version by uploading a new file with no revision history and mass-replacing it. They're already blocked, but they got away with it for far too long. I'm overwriting it with the correct version that we've been using all along. BrendonTheWizard (留言) 23:53, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

So, it's been months by now. Can we finally change back this flag? What's taking so long? --2A01:E0A:8E:A1C0:1157:71ED:E1B8:8E7B 19:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Idea for the colors of the flag

For the Mauritanian flag (both the historical and current) we could use the standard pan-Arab shades used on other Arab flags, i have applied these shades to File:Flag of Mauritania (Dark Green).svg. Thoughts? Thespoondragon (留言) 05:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Based on every photo and video we have of the flag of Mauritania (those cited on the Flag of Mauritania article & in the discussion you prompted on its talk page), this is certainly more accurate than the pantone colors. Very few of them have the very bright colors, and all of those that do are photos of Mauritania meeting with another government abroad, not Mauritania in its own country. (likely manufactured by printing rather than sewing, perhaps even by printing the version on Wikimedia? no way to know, though) That being said, I'm still seeing a combination of both the original crescent shape & the new crescent shape, so there's no real-world consensus on which is correct and which is incorrect.

From our discussion at the talk page on the Flag of Maurtania article, we can say the following:

• All editors involved so far have agreed that it's better to use the darker green than the pantone green. If you would like to implement that yourself, feel free to do so as there's no opposition, and if there will be opposition, then you implementing it would simply be the first step of the Bold, Revert, Discuss process.

• Most of the editors that have commented (though there's only a handful at the moment) preferred we use the original crescent shape because both the original and elongated crescents are evidently being used in practice.

• Whether we revert to the original green (which has unanimous support at this time) or revert to both the original green and original shape (which also has slim majority support), there is also a unanimous consensus that if and when Mauritania's government provides much-needed clarification, we will use whichever variant Mauritania clarifies is the correct standard version. With all due respect to Zscout - and I truly don't mean to diminish in any shape way or form the tireless contributions they've done - the file from the Japanese Embassy seems to raise more questions than it answers (to start, why is it only available exclusively on Google Drive but not on the official website for said Embassy?) and the pantone colors have been acknowledged to be erroneous.

Cheers. BrendonTheWizard (留言) 21:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

First, I do not feel slighted or diminished; dealing with the change itself was a pain. The timeline that I linked was something I (as Zachary Harden) had to compile over a three day period and I know I must have missed something for sure. Two, I can answer some of those questions. As for why it is on Google Drive, it was sent to me as an email from a Japanese based vexillologist and it was most likely a scan or fax sent to him from the Mauritania Embassy in Tokyo. The only reason why it is on Google Drive so I can show you and others what I have and what I have been operating under. As for the colors, your guess is good as mine. I believe the government offices are uses the color scheme from this Pantone spec sheet amd the bright green, but others I am not sure. I do not know if the flags were locally made or made outside the country. Based on previous legislation I located before years the 2017 flag change, Décret n°114 – 2010, the Ministry of Defense is the "keeper of the flag" along with any dimensions and specifications used for flags made in country for the government. However, I could not locate anything for cresent or star shape for the older pattern. The only thing I personally have is a diagram of how the Soviet Navy made their flag (I have a book and a physical flag I picked up). I did a draweing comparing this Soviet document to what I got from their embassy in Tokyo and there is a huge difference between the crescent. Yet, what the Soviets used as their guide I am not sure. There is also a guide from SAVA but I need to ask their leader Bruce Berry on who was their source for the pre-2017 specs. Here is my problem and Brendon knows this all too well; the bottom discussion shows the design from March 2017 when it was presented for the legislature to vote upon. That flag, produced by the ministry of defense, uses the 15/70/15 scheme that we first knew as the design and what was supposed to be voted upon. Yet, sometime between March 2017 until its first use in Nov 2017 there was a change in the section ratio from 15/70/15 to 20/60/20 and I am not sure when or how or why. Despite that, there is the question of star and crescent shape and I have the no foggiest clue on where to begin or even point to with that. There was an Arabic document I located but neither myself or Brendon could translate it. Unforutnately, as well, getting anything out of the country itself is difficult and I know other people tried to get other information out of the country, such as the adoption of the new seal or sheet music for the new anthem is a pain. I definitely want to come up with a solution as well, yet I am just stuck on how to procede and where to procede. I must admit I have not looked at the article page because I rarely spend time on en.wikipedia anymore (if that is the discussion where it is taking place) so I need to verse myself on what is going on. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:03, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

New flag model

Here's the model which was proposed to the deputies when they voted the flag change constitutional amendment back in 2017 : [2] [3]. From all the multiples sources, it is now obvious the different mauritanian local autorities have some leniency on how to draw or color the flag, but I believe we should use the model that was effectively voted on. I have messaged the admin who blocked the page here from being edited, but it was weeks ago and I still got no answer. Now, does anyone know how to unlock the situation? I would like to put this to a vote. --Aréat (留言) 03:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Change

From the discussion on the talkpage of Flag of Mauritania : The file will be editable in a few days, so let's agree beforehand. Who is in favor of having the dark green with non flattened crescent version as the main flag on the page, by editing this one, and the light green flattened one as just mentioned in the article - basically the reverse of the current situation -, and who is against the change, keep the status quo? Let's have a vote.

• Support as both versions are sometimes used at the government level, and the constitutional change of 2017 had no mention of a modification of the green shade and crescent shape.--Aréat (留言) 06:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support the proposal to use the previous shade of green which more closely resembled the Pan-African colours; as Zscout has noted, it's seemingly anyone's guess as we've all seen very conflicting versions in practice. From the many photographs we've looked at of the new flag, there seems to be no real-world consensus on which green is correct, so our best course of action would be to continue the pre-flag-change status quo until sufficient clarification is made by the Mauritanian government. To the best of our knowledge, the only official change was that red bands were introduced on both sides of the flag, but other details (such as the color and shape) are subject to conflicting sources. If nothing else, I would like to see the green modified. I do also support using the previously displayed crescent, which more closely resembles most flag specifications I've seen (of course with the main exception being the Tokyo file which it is based on), most photographs I've seen and of course the national emblem as well. BrendonTheWizard (留言) 02:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

• Side-comment regarding the national seal A relevant side-discussion that may or may not be directly affected by the discussion we have here is what the correct color of the national seal is. I previously linked to the following sources suggesting that the seal uses a dark green color, not a bright pantone one: (1)(2)(3). The source was said to be the embassy (4), but the linked file actually shows that it is much, much darker than it is displayed on Wikipedia. I would support displaying both the national flag and national seal with a dark green. BrendonTheWizard (留言) 02:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support per Aréat. --Panam2014 (留言) 23:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Sept 2020 update

Greetings All. I just got a Facebook message that a website was set up with new graphics and standards of the national flag. I understand the main concern with my initial changes while that, it came from an official source (their embassy in Tokyo, Japan), it was not on any government website. I am not sure when this website was created, but it seems it was from around May of this year (so still fairly new). Anywho, the document I got from the Tokyo Embassy was confirmed here if you click the link that says "maquette drapeau" along with the Pantone colors. Also gives a more detailed drawing of the national flag, along with RGB and hex conversions of the Pantone. The government also provided vectors for both the flag, government branding and national emblem. I hope this information help. If the consensus is to overwrite the file in the future, the current pattern we have now, is there a way we can preserve it as a way to denote the early March 2017 proposal when it only had 10% red stripes instead of the 20 it has now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Reverted the flag, Sorry if i did a mistake

Hi, i reverted the Mauritania flag. As for me, i always saw the version i reverted as the correct one, since i saw it everywhere. Sorry if i maybe did a mistake. Therealmanu10 (留言) 13:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)