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Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc<be>(OLD.).
- "Source" field.
- Vietnam 1973. - Adopted name: Marta Tuyet Dodd. - Married Names: Smith, Turner & Martin. - Name at birth: NGUYEN THI THU CUC. - Place of birth: Khanh Hung (Ba Xuyen). - Mother's name: NGUYEN THI BONG. - Father's name: Unknown but most likely an American Soldier (black) who "got together" with my mother sometime in June of 1972 somewhere in Vietnam. (Ecosia search / Source image 1 / Source image 2 / Source image 3 / Source image 4 / Source image 5 / Source image 6).
- "I am looking for any birth family, or anyone closely related; I'm even looking for one of the nurses who may remember me. My first name was given to me by one of the Sisters that took care of me in the orphanage. My parents originally planned on calling me Megan Tuyet Dodd. I've grown to love the name Marta, although I spent the first 27 years with the nickname of "Marty". - I was born February 15, 1973 in Vietnam. Left at an orphanage and taken care of by Sisters. Possibly even Rosemary Taylor. - Here is the little straw bird that I came over with. To this day I still have it." (Source image).
- "One interesting fact... The first document is my original birth Certificate... It was signed by a LT O.C. Hognander Jr. of the USNR!!! What a coincidence!!!".
- Source links. LINK 🔗.
Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC) .
Sceau du Dê Thám
(OLD.).
- Add it here.
Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC) .
Message about languages and identities draft
This is is a message draft for another user.
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- == Tiếng (㗂), Âm (音), Ngữ (語), and Văn (文) ==
As your user talk page says that you've retired from the Wikimedia Commons I am not sure if you will read this, anyhow I still write to you as I know that this general topic interests you too. One thing that fascinates me is not just the evolution of language but how a language is called throughout the ages.
A decade or so ago I was going through sources about the relationships between the Tokugawa Shogunate and the Republic of the Seven (7) United Netherlands I found a multilingual dictionary that referred to the Dutch, French, and Japanese language as "Neder-Duitsch - Fransch - Japansch" and "Flamand - Francois - Japonais", this indicated to me that during this period Dutch people still saw their language as German, the French saw their language as "Frankish", and the French still associated the Netherlands with the French province of Flanders. A few years later I bought a book about "Vaderlandse geschiedenis" which explained that after the Napoleonic Wars the Prussians wanted the newly created Kingdom of the Netherlands to be a part of the German Confederation but that King William I of the Netherlands was against it, I can't remember where I read it but I read somewhere that King William I also supposedly "invented" the term "Nederlandsch" for the Dutch language to replace "Neder-Duitsch" as a part of national education to create a unique identity for the new Kingdom of the Netherlands.
This turned out to be utterly wrong, in fact the term "Nederlandsch" is over half a millennium old and dates back to the time when the European version of the printing press was just invented and people realised that Northern German and Southern German have evolved into different languages, hence Northern German was called "Nederlandsch" and Southern German "Overlandsch", a couple of decades later the term "Neder-Duitsch" was invented for the Northern versions of the German language(s). From what I can find the name of the Dutch language evolved like this "*þeudisk -> Duutsc / Dietsc -> Dietsch -> Duitsch -> Nederlantsch -> Neder-Duitsch -> Néder-Duitsch -> Nederduitsch -> Nederlandsch -> Nederlands" (or "Neder-Duitsch -> Afrikaans" in South Africa). During the 13th (thirteenth) century people from the County of Flanders referred to their version of German as "Vlaemsch" while during the Republican period people from Holland referred to their language as "Hollandsch", these developments all coincided with regional success and the creation of self-awareness for these regional identities. People in the Transvaal called their language "Hooghollandsch" while the language was officially called "Nederduitsch", while later they called the language "Afrikaans".
A few months ago I started looking for old dictionaries, an old Dutch-French dictionary more recent than the Japanese one used "Néder-Duitsch en Fransch" (Hollandais et François), while a Dutch-German dictionary uses the terms "Neder-Hoog-Duitsch - Hoog-Neder-Duitsch" / "Holländisch-Deutsch - Deutsch-Holländisch". The former indicates that the French started associating the Dutch language with the Dutch Republic rather than the French Province of Flanders, while the latter indicates that 18th (eighteenth) century German speakers didn't view the "Hollandic" language as German while Dutch speakers still saw their language as a version of German. There's lots of contradictory evidence of when Germans started seeing Dutch as a separate language, but the Prussian government most definitely saw it as a separate language when they administered Cleves during the 19th (nineteenth) century. Meanwhile the Dutch still saw their language as a version of German as late as 1945. In fact, the disappearance of the term "Nederduitsch" happened sometime during the late 19th (nineteenth) century in the Netherlands and early 20th (twentieth) century in the Kingdom of Belgium. This shows a somewhat assymetrical view of what the "German language" is, where "Germans" saw Dutch as a separate language the Dutch still saw their language as "German" for a considerable amount of time. Likewise, Medieval French people called their language "Romaine" (Roman), in the Western Latin world this term was replaced by local names but in the Eastern Latin world the language is still called "Romanian".
Something similar played in the Chinese cultural sphere, looking at the Vietnamese language's self-identification different terms seem to be used.
North Korean and South Korean have diverged quite substantially, this is an example of how politics affect languages, because of German re-unification these differences have largely disappeared in West and East Germany, while these differences remain the norm in Korea.
One thing I noticed is that I found that the word "Việt" was commonly used for the people and the country, but not that commonly for the language. In fact it's similar to German where the language was simply called "the people's language" or "the national language", in fact with North Korean (조선말 / 朝鮮말, Chosŏn'mal) and South Korean (한국어 / 韓國語, Hangugeo) we see this today as they have different names for the Korean language. In fact, they don't even use the same word for "language", North Koreans use the Korean term "Mal", while South Koreans use the Chinese term "Geo / Kŏ".
Looking back at old Vietnamese-language texts I see the terms Âm (音), Ngữ (語), and Văn (文) commonly used for languages, I can see "a parallel Vietnamese" where the language could have been called "Việt Ngữ" (越語). Anyhow，I can't seem to find a list of all the names that the Vietnamese language historically had and how it evolved and where the term "Tiếng Việt" (㗂越) was first used, maybe a good thing to investigate in the future.
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- Signature to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC) .
Edit this coin (1902)
Reward for killing rats 🐁.
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Sapèques en Gallica
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:34, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Hillegersberg
- "Source" field.
- Hello! Hillegersberg (Ecosia search / Source image 1 / Source image 2).
Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
- Source links. LINK 🔗.
- https://www.hello-hillegersberg.nl/het-kaasboertje/
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
- https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=Hello%20Hillegersberg#id=10ECA7A5D8955F97326B22C8212A89CC85EE813C
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
- https://www.hello-hillegersberg.nl/wp-content/themes/yootheme/cache/HILL_LOGO-zomer-FC-e9c5740d.png
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
- https://www.hello-hillegersberg.nl/wp-content/themes/yootheme/cache/HILL_LOGO-zomer-FC-67743854.png
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC) .
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) .
Hanoi 1916
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Note sur la circulation monétaire et les moyens d'échange dans les colonies françaises et pays de protectorat, d'après les documents officiels recueillis par l'administration des colonies
Title : Note sur la circulation monétaire et les moyens d'échange dans les colonies françaises et pays de protectorat, d'après les documents officiels recueillis par l'administration des colonies. Publisher : (Melun) Publication date : 1894 Relationship : http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34136525w Type : text Type : monographie imprimée Language : french Format : Pièce (42 p.) ; In-8 Format : Nombre total de vues : 47 Description : Collection numérique : Bibliothèque Diplomatique
- https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1473560.r=Sap%C3%A8ques?rk=321890;0#visuAccordion
- P.8 - citer la sapèque en argent valant une ligature deux tiens, — le luong d'argent : petit lingot valant douze ligatures, — le nen d'argent : gros lingot qui représente cent-quarante ligatures, enfin le luong d'or, valant trois cents ligatures et le nen d'or qui équivaut à trois mille ligatures(...)cent sapèques en cuivre et divisée en dix tiens(...).
- p.31 - 50 cents 20 — 10 — 1 cents Sapèque 27,215 13,607 5,443 2,721 10, » 2(...)Ligature de sapéques en zinc (de fabrication annamite(...).) Ligature de sapèques en cuivre.
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC) .
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:27, 19 January 2022 (UTC) .
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC) .
HONORING THE EMPEROR IN THE (ORIGINAL) GIA ĐỊNH BÁO
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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
French Indo-China 1937
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 08:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Ryūkyū second (2nd) attempt
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:59, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Sceau du Dê Thám
(OLD.).
- Add it here.
Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC) .
I should really make the time to import this and not get constantly distracted by side-projects. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC) .
Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc
(OLD.).
- "Source" field.
- Vietnam 1973. - Adopted name: Marta Tuyet Dodd. - Married Names: Smith, Turner & Martin. - Name at birth: NGUYEN THI THU CUC. - Place of birth: Khanh Hung (Ba Xuyen). - Mother's name: NGUYEN THI BONG. - Father's name: Unknown but most likely an American Soldier (black) who "got together" with my mother sometime in June of 1972 somewhere in Vietnam. (Ecosia search / Source image 1 / Source image 2 / Source image 3 / Source image 4 / Source image 5 / Source image 6).
- "I am looking for any birth family, or anyone closely related; I'm even looking for one of the nurses who may remember me. My first name was given to me by one of the Sisters that took care of me in the orphanage. My parents originally planned on calling me Megan Tuyet Dodd. I've grown to love the name Marta, although I spent the first 27 years with the nickname of "Marty". - I was born February 15, 1973 in Vietnam. Left at an orphanage and taken care of by Sisters. Possibly even Rosemary Taylor. - Here is the little straw bird that I came over with. To this day I still have it." (Source image).
- "One interesting fact... The first document is my original birth Certificate... It was signed by a LT O.C. Hognander Jr. of the USNR!!! What a coincidence!!!".
- Source links. LINK 🔗.
Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC) .
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Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 5
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Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc
- "Title" field.
- Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc - South Vietnamese birth certificate (1973) 0X
- Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc South Vietnamese birth certificate (1973) Official English-language translation
- Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc - South Vietnamese passport (1973) 0X
- "Source" field.
- Vietnam 1973. - Adopted name: Marta Tuyet Dodd. - Married Names: Smith, Turner & Martin. - Name at birth: NGUYEN THI THU CUC. - Place of birth: Khanh Hung (Ba Xuyen). - Mother's name: NGUYEN THI BONG. - Father's name: Unknown but most likely an American Soldier (black) who "got together" with my mother sometime in June of 1972 somewhere in Vietnam. (Ecosia search / Source image 1 / Source image 2 / Source image 3 / Source image 4 / Source image 5 / Source image 6).
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- "I am looking for any birth family, or anyone closely related; I'm even looking for one of the nurses who may remember me. My first name was given to me by one of the Sisters that took care of me in the orphanage. My parents originally planned on calling me Megan Tuyet Dodd. I've grown to love the name Marta, although I spent the first 27 years with the nickname of "Marty". - I was born February 15, 1973 in Vietnam. Left at an orphanage and taken care of by Sisters. Possibly even Rosemary Taylor. - Here is the little straw bird that I came over with. To this day I still have it." (Source image).
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- "One interesting fact... The first document is my original birth Certificate... It was signed by a LT O.C. Hognander Jr. of the USNR!!! What a coincidence!!!".
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- Source links. LINK 🔗.
- http://www.navygirl.org/NavyGirl/vietnam.htm
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=Birth%20Certificates%20of%20South%20Vietnam#id=27012A9D8B94078D08CCD4464AD6B65A3A528B9D
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0053.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0054.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0051.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0050.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0049.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0049.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
- http://www.navygirl.org/images/File0047.jpg
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC) .
- Uploaded (it / them) to the Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) .
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