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Contents 1 Karte Bundesland Saarland und Nordrhein-Westfalen 2 Please link images 3 Re file:Italy relief location map.jpg 4 File:Jamaica location map.svg 5 Canadian Province Maps 6 Karte referenzieren 7 USA Maps 8 Senegal 9 Location map for Kingston, Jamaica 10 Ibn Battuta journeys 11 File:Streptopelia decaocto expansion.png 12 Colombia (Kolumbien) 13 Frankfurter Kreuz 14 Algeria location map 15 Dimensions of File:Western_Sahara_location_map.svg 16 File:Bundesautobahn 98 Planung.png 17 File:Taiwan location map.svg

[edit] Karte Bundesland Saarland und Nordrhein-Westfalen

Deine Karten sind echt Klasse. Jedoch hast du von den Bundesländern Saarland und Nordrhein-Westfalen keine angefertigt. Wäre das möglich nachzuholen? Dafür wäre ich sehr dankbar. --Anonym 18:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Das muss ich nicht, das haben schon andere längst erledigt: file:Saarland location map.svg und von NRW sogar einen ganzen Stall in der Category:Location maps of North Rhine-Westphalia. NNW (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please link images

BotMultichillT 21:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Image:Karte Linne.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.

[edit] Re file:Italy relief location map.jpg

Hello NNW. Thanks for the warning. I'll check this and make the needed corrections. Greatings. Sting (talk) 12:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Jamaica location map.svg

Hello NordNordWest,

File:Jamaica location map.svg is in Category:Locator maps of Jamaica which is a subcategory of Category:Location maps of Caribbean so placing it also in Category:Location maps of Caribbean would, technically, seem to be an over-categorisation. Have I misunderstood that purpose of Category:Location maps of Caribbean by assuming it to be a parent in a hierarchy (as its name implies)? -Arb. (talk) 15:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I haven't seen that Category:Locator maps of Jamaica is a subcategory of Category:Location maps of Caribbean. Please read the disclaimer at Category:Location maps. If you follow the subcats from there you won't find a “locator map“ cat – exept yours. A "locator map" category never should be a subcat of a "location map" category because locator maps usually don't have the same characteristics as location maps. And they have a different purpose. I know that there is quite a confusion at Commons about the differences. There should be two independent categories for both of them. NNW (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Figured it might be something like that. What definitions do you use for "Locator" and "Location" in this context? -Arb. (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Location map Germany

Locator map of Hannover district

Location maps are used by a Template:Location map to localize an object using its coordinates. They are more or less useless without this template: no names, no topic. Locator maps show an object and do not need a template or a marker for localization: something is highlighted yet. NNW (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Now very clear. It seems that the content of Category:Locator maps of Jamaica is mostly correct but:

a) it should not be a child of Category:Location maps of Caribbean

b) one or two location maps have snuck in. So a category Category:Location maps of Jamaica may be required. Or perhaps it/they are best left at the "Maps of" level. Will have to think about that. Thanks again. -Arb. (talk) 14:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

PS I've paraphrased your explanation as the lead paragraph of Category:Locator maps of Jamaica where it is seems most apposite. -Arb. (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian Province Maps

Hi there NNW. While checkin the maps I found 2 problems.

• In file:Canada New Brunswick location map.svg northern to en:Bathurst, New Brunswick in 47.61814N 65.65112W should be water and not land
• In file:Canada Nova Scotia location map.svg Sable Island in 43.931472N 59.929722W should be a bit souther

Thanks for your work, GilCahana (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello! A small bay was missing in the free data of New Brunswick, it's added now. The differences between the position of Sable Island in the location map and the coordinates is imho below the accuracy of the data I used (and who knows if Google Earth data is correct) but I shifted the island a bit to the south so everyone is satisfied. :-) Here it looks fine, a perfect hit. NNW (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Karte referenzieren

Hallo NordNordWest,

kannst Du mir einen Tipp geben, wie ich Karten mit Koordinaten versehe, so daß ich sie dann als Location map verwenden kann, um dort die Lage von Orten anzeigen zu lassen? Mir ist schon klar, daß ich die Koordinaten angeben muß, die die geographische Begrenzung der Karte ausmachen. Aber der Rest ist mir unklar, denn die Größe (Pixel) der Karte spielt ja sicher eine Rolle und was hat es mit der Angabe z.B N-S-Streckung 130 % auf sich?

Konkret möchte ich die Karte mit Ujesdgrenzen aus der russischen Wikipedia verwenden oder eine ähnliche selber erstellen aus der historischen Karte auf der gleichen Seite. Evtl. später auch Einzelkarten als Location map für die Distrikte bzw. Ujesde.

Wäre dankbar über einen Hinweis oder Link, wo ich mich zu dem Thema einlesen kann.

--irina

Hallo!

Wichtig ist zuerst einmal die richtige Projektion. Hierzu findest du hier einige Hinweise. Wichtig ist die Verwendung einer Plattkarte, nicht Mercator oder ähnlichem. Bei schon verhandenen Karten ist es schwierig bis unmöglich herauszubekommen, welche Projektion sie haben. Da können die Vorlagen nur mit Lagefehlern genutzt werden. Die Werte bekommt man durch Try and Error.

Die Streckung wird hier, am Ende des Abschnitts, erklärt. Die Streckung ist für Positionskarten technisch gesehen nicht nötig, allerdings bekommen die Karten ohne Streckung ein ungewohntes Aussehen. Die ideale Streckung ergibt sich aus der Formel: 1 geteilt durch den Cosinus des zentralen Breitengrads der Karte mal 100. In der Regel habe ich den Wert gerundet. Wenn du weitere Fragen, nur zu. Ich freue mich über jeden, der in die Positionskarten-Herstellung einsteigen möchte. NNW (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] USA Maps

Thanks for your work. One thing in the Alaska map all the locations are a bit souther than they suppose to be. Another thing is you said that USA maps are completed but still there are no good maps for Oklahoma & New Jersey. GilCahana (talk)

There are file:USA Oklahoma location map.svg and file:USA New Jersey location map.svg. Perhaps I forgot to tell you. For Alaska I ask User:Alexrk who made this map to join the discussion. I cannot tell you anything about it. NNW (talk) 08:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've just rechecked the georeference of the Alaska map (have a look here) - couldn't find any relevant errors. Btw: I guess, the maps accuracy is about 0.05°/5km (due to the line thickness an image resolution), single points may vary up to 0.20° (due to generalization and displacements).

I also review the maps with help of GoogleEarth overlays. I've attached a KML file to the image on Commons. You can open it in GoogleEarth with the enclosed Link to the KML file. You might consider using GoogleEarth for all this QA work; which I think is far more easier, faster and reliable. At the moment I work on a tool that crawls through the location map templates and create one big KML file for all of them. --Alexrk2 (talk) 10:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

You mixed the W and E edges in your kml file. :-) NNW (talk) 11:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ...although magically it did worked. *shrug* :) --Alexrk2 (talk) 11:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

About the Alaska map I rechecked it and it's okay the parameters that someone else gave weren't accurate. By the way we check every map before we implement it to our template. You can see it in all the template's talk pages in he:קטגוריה:תבניות מיפוי לפי מדינה. As for the Oklahoma & New Jersey thanks I searched withouth the "USA", and by the way why aren't you using them in your template in the German wiki? GilCahana (talk) 14:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Now I know why I forgot to tell you about these two maps: I forgot to insert them into the templates. Quite inattentive, I must say. :-) NNW (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Senegal

Hallo NordNordWest,

Thank you so much for all the maps of the regions of Senegal you made, I am glad to use them on the French Wikipedia, but isn't there something wrong with this one : File:Senegal Kaolack locator map.svg ? (two separate parts)

Tchüss, Ji-Elle (talk) 05:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, with the first upload I followed the French article about the Kaolack region telling me that the Département de Koungheul would be part of it. Later I found a correct source and changed it. Somehow the software doesn't show the newest version where it is correct. I hoped it would be a short-time problem but somehow it isn't getting better. NNW (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I simply uploaded it anew, now it's correct. :-) NNW (talk) 13:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup ! Ji-Elle (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Location map for Kingston, Jamaica

Hello again NordNordWest. I've been working recently on the en articles for several places in Kingston, Jamaica. These would benefit immensely from a location map of the city depicting some carefully chosen landmarks (eg major roads/parks/water features) and perhaps with a small inset showing the city's location on the island. Is this something you could help with? -Arb. (talk) 10:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, right now I'm very busy in real life so it's impossible for me to do this. Ever tried to use data from OpenStreetMap ? You can use this data to make a real map (not location map) with a simple graphic program. NNW (talk) 13:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ibn Battuta journeys

I would like to create maps for the Wiki article on en:Ibn Battuta showing the journeys he undertook in the 14th century. I've noticed your wonderful location maps and thought you might be able to offer advice. I would prefer to create maps covering regions rather than use the individual country location maps.

I've tried using the OMC site but find that the results are very tedious to edit in Illustrator/Inkscape – partly because the maps consist of many separate sections. By googling I notice that there is a free software called GRASS GIS. Is this what you use? Would this software allow me to create suitable maps? For your country location maps you note that the data is from the "United States National Imagery and Mapping Agency" and "World Data Base II data". Is the data freely available on-line? Can I read the data into GRASS? Of course, I could always scan an atlas and trace the borders – but I hope that I can do better than this. Aa77zz (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

GIS software is usually quite complicated and not the software you should use to create a map with a good graphic, at least not as the only software. A lot of users work with en:Generic Mapping Tools (GMT), adding en:Adobe Illustrator or en:CorelDRAW for further work. Others prefer free software, so it's en:Inkscape instead of Illustrator. I cannot tell you anything about GRASS, never worked with it. And I never worked with GMT, either, but I know it's not so easy to handle in the beginning.

NIMA data is called en:Vector Map, links for download in the article. But it's no fun to work with it if you are not used to handle GIS data. And Level 0 has a scale of 1:1.000.000, that might be much to detailed for your purpose. WDB II might be better and it's less MB, you find it here.

Be sure that it is impossible to make good maps completely automatically and only with free data. Free data usually isn't up-to-date and automatically made gives you a map with lots of cartographical mistakes. I work with a graphic software and use free data but I control everything and correct where necessary. Sometimes tracing lines from a scan leads to better results. At least you have total control on what you are doing. :-) NNW (talk) 15:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your helpful reply. I can now more fully appreciated the amount of manual intervention required in creating the elegant location maps. What I'm still not clear about is what GIS software you recommend to allow me to go from free GIS data to something I can edit in a drawing program. For instance, the CIA World DataBank II files look suitable – but I need software. GSHHS Shoreline Database may also be suitable – but again I have the software problem. Tracing an atlas is beginning to look more attractive! Aa77zz (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I'm often using MAPublisher for this but I think this isn't the right solution for you. Perhaps you better ask User:Sting. As far as I know he has a workflow completely with free software. My workflow is sometimes a little bit strange for WP. :-) NNW (talk) 11:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Streptopelia decaocto expansion.png

Hi NordNordWest - I was wanting to update this map to add in new areas colonised since 1973, but the map is not editable (other than extremely tediously!) because the colours are not solid, but grade into each other at the margins (so flood fill doesn't work). Can you make the colours solid please? I tried, but failed. - Thanks! MPF (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll have to see if it still looks okay then. Otherwise I can offer to add the new areas. Regards, NNW (talk) 16:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. But definitely less good looking. NNW (talk) 18:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Colombia (Kolumbien)

Hi NordNordWest!

Congratulations for your work. Your maps are impressive, very well-worked; I try to do the same with the territory of my country. I want to know if you could provide the coordinates of this map File:Colombia location map2.svg, it seems to me more useful than I did previously, because the former included a large part of the sea was not necessary for effects of location. Perhaps this map should be used within the wiki instead of the others previous maps (File:Colombia location map.svg, File:Mapa Localizador Colombia.svg and File:Mapa Localizador Colombia2.svg)

Thanks for your attention. Shadowxfox (talk) 01:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Obviously you also know how to make maps. :-) I'll try to find out the coordinates, no problem. Perhaps I can do this tomorrow.

It has been a very good idea to crop the map, now mainland Colombia is much better to see. I would like you to change three things:

a) These location maps are the administrative version of every country map. In a second step every country shall get a physical map, too. This is already done for e.g. France or Italy. In the physical version there can be much more rivers than in the administrative version because there the provinces are the first thing that should be recognized. So it would be great if you could make the province boundaries a bit thicker and reduce the number of the rivers. They can all be shown in the physical version of the Colombia location map. Don't forget that location maps are used only in a small width in infoboxes, about 250 or 300 pixels in most cases. Too many elements in a map confuse the users of WP.

adminstrative version, only the most important rivers

physical version, much more rivers

b) Right now there are no boundaries shown when they follow a river. This is not a problem for Colombia, there is the yellow colour showing the area. But it looks as if Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica would be one country. Please add the missing lines, it looks a bit strange that it is not clear where Ecuador ends and Peru begins, same with Peru and Brazil. I usually draw the boundary parallel to the river so that both can be seen.

c) In the end there are some users especially at he:WP who prefer a clear file name system. Please upload file:Colombia location map2.svg as file:Colombia location map.svg and vice versa. As you are the creator of both files it's an easy thing to do and both maps are still available. The main location map shouldn't have a number in its file name but just follow the rule <name of country> location map.svg. That would be great and would lead to an easier handling. Best regards, NNW (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, NNW !

I uploaded a new version of the maps that I told you before, you can see them here:

Colombia location map.svg adminstrative version

Colombia location map2.svg physical version

Now, because in the german wikipedia is used the previous version of the first map, is necessary to provide correct coordinates and to fix this template to correct the positioning errors of cities and other sites. The second map is my own version of physical map, according to data obtained from the Institute of Geography of Colombia - IGAC (Instituto Geográfico Agustín Codazzi). Sorry if it is not like your physical maps, but I don't know how to draw 3-d relief maps in svg format.

I hope you like the changes I made to both maps. Good luck ! Shadowxfox (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, you are faster than me! :-) I'll hurry with the coordinates. Looks great, and thanks for the file change. Btw it isn't me who creates the physical versions, it's usually Sting from fr:WP or Lencer and Alexrk2 at de:WP. I'm busy creating the administrative versions. Best regards, NNW (talk) 09:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

A little bit difficult as Commons still shows me the old version here but as correct as it has been possible I inserted the coordinates into the file description. Perhaps I need to correct it (but only a bit) when the map is shown uptodate. NNW (talk) 10:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Frankfurter Kreuz

Hi. Also erstmal Respekt für deine beeindruckenden Karten. Bei der Frankfurter Kreuz Karte ist allerdings ein kleiner Fehler: die Aufweitung der nördlichen Verflechtungsfahrbahn der A3 kurz vor dem Zusammentreffen mit der Rampe Kassel->Köln fehlt ;) die Fahrbahn verläuft danach auch nicht zwei- sondern dreistreifig zum linken Bildrand weiter. Könntest du das noch ändern? Gruß und schonmal Danke im Vorraus. anonym 22:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Stimmt, da hab ich was übersehen. Werde ich korrigieren. Danke für den Hinweis! NNW (talk) 10:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ist korrigiert. NNW (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Algeria location map

Hi, could please make the Algeria location map and Algeria relief location map please.

There is already one [1], but it does not show the wilayas [2] and the map is false, the city is not located correctly. Here you can see the correct location [3]. Regards --Morisco (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The infobox should use fr:Modèle:Géolocalisation/Algérie, that map works fine in several projects until I'll find the time to make a map following the new style. I'm quite busy right now so it might take some time. And I have enough to do to create the administrative versions, so I cannot make a relief version also. Someone else has to so. Regards, NNW (talk) 16:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi thank you. You can work on this map when you have time. Good continuation --Morisco (talk) 17:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions of File:Western_Sahara_location_map.svg

Hi NNW !
I'm working on the relief location map of Western Sahara, and like for the map of Italy, can you please resize your location map, keeping its height but with a width of 1472 px (instead of 1539 px) so it will have the correct dimensions for an equirectangular projection centered on the map ? Thanks. Sting (talk) 21:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. NNW (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. Sting (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Bundesautobahn 98 Planung.png

Hallo Auf der Karte sind zwei kleine Neuerungen. Die A7 und die A96 sind beide fertiggestellt.

19:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Korrigiert. Danke für den Hinweis! NNW (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Taiwan location map.svg

Hi, respectful author. I found a tiny mistake on the File:Taiwan location map.svg, the border between Yunlin & Chiayi county is a bit off. could you fix that? --Kerry7374 (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for the hint! It's corrected now. NNW (talk) 11:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks a lot!! --Kerry7374 (talk) 11:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)