Category talk:Lugers from Germany

Hi, i created Category:Female lugers from Germany to categorize all the female lugers, like in many other sports or disciplines. But one user deleted all my categorizations (see major details in: User talk:Marcus Cyron#Category:Female lugers from Germany who Cyron invited me to "put my fingers away the things"). The question is, "Marcus Cyron" only decided about this?--Louis.attene (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

 Info Documentation of following discussion: Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/01/Category:Lugers from Germany. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 17:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive.

Category:Lugers from Germany

adding female german lugers to: Category:Female lugers from Germany (see talk page) Louis.attene (talk) 11:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Louis.attene: I'm not sure I understand your comment. You created this category, no? What's the problem? - Themightyquill (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Louis.attene, I support the opening of cats for females, in this case for "sportswomen", "in principle". I have no idea about this sport. I tried to read partly the discussion elsewhere and I was confused. Is this sport not categorized (I mean by the governing authority, the Federation or Confederation whatsoever) as for "men" and "women", "young men", "girls" etc? Somewhere I saw something like a woman participating in a "male" (sic) team. Was it an exception or mixed teams are commonplace? (I know a Turkish female volleyball player, one of the first, a hundred years ago; she played with Fenerbahçe men -and as captain!- as there were no formal female teams yet.) Please tell us more about the "gender" issue in "this sport", then we see what to do in Commons. I mean is there something "special" as regards "gender" in this particular sport? --E4024 (talk) 08:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks to all for response. @Themightyquill: , an user rollbacked all my categorization about this..As you can see, the category is empty now. Please take a look at this "discussion".. @E4024: , you're right, "doubles" discipline are allowed for both (male or female) although in fact are employed men only, for the major strenght, weight etc.. the governing body (the FIL) have introduced the "women's double" as a test, for the Youth Olympics of Lausanne 2020. But i don't wanna divide the disciplines, only create a "database" (categorization) for women's, as to be easily to find in a search by the user.. nothing more. The governing body is the same for male and female. Now my question: is this a discriminant? I have done the same in bobsleigh and skeleton and no one rollbacked (the policy of the governing body (IBSF) are the same, in 4-men bobsleigh may participate women too, since some year ago)--Louis.attene (talk) 10:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to divide the category and add "female lugers from germany" to Category:Sportswomen from Germany by sport. --Ailura (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

 Comment Can anyone explain me the sense of such non-sensical CfD procedure? -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 16:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

What's CfD? --Louis.attene (talk) 21:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

"Categories for discussion". @Blackcat: In which way nonsensical? I do not see why we should not divide by sexes in this case. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 22:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Thgoiter: yes, I agree on this. But why opening a CfD on "Lugers from Germany"? I guess that it's not a category that needs to be discussed .... -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 09:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm not the initiator of this discussion. But the essential question is: "Should we divide Category:Lugers from Germany in Category:Female lugers from Germany and Category:Male lugers from Germany?" And then the place for this CfD is not too wrong. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 09:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi to all, ciao @Blackcat: , please look at my first message up above, the discussion started here.... Obiouvsly, the problem wa not only about "German lugers" but in general.....--Louis.attene (talk) 11:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

 Info Link to discussion before it has been archived: [1]. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 17:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any policy that says you cant divide the category. However there are not so many that demand splitting it. The numbers of Female Lugers is extraordinary compared to the other winter sports cats, but not when you look at for example Category:Female politicians of the United Kingdom. In the interests of simplicity I wouldn't separate the Lugers by gender. They are already split by name which is sufficient. In policy the "Simplicity principle" suggests minimalism is the way to go, and it warns against "over-categorisation". Splitting the category does not improve the Wiki in any way. Splitting it was an inordinate amount of work for minimal gain, other parts of the Wiki are in more care of attention. The specifics of the sport, and gender of participants has no relevance here. --BeckenhamBear (talk) 10:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Is anyone opposed to closing this discussion? - Themightyquill (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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No consensus to do anything differently. - 11:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)