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- Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places
Info created by KDS4444 - uploaded by KDS4444 - nominated by KDS4444 -- KDS4444 (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Support -- KDS4444 (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Oppose -- unsharp i high resolution. --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 13:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)- Oppose Problem of perspective and problem of sharpness. This 150 Mpix image is far too large for its effective resolution, which starts showing weaknesses at 20% -- Basile Morin (talk) 13:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per others.--Peulle (talk) 13:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment KDS4444 you appear to have accidentally upscaled the image hugely. Please save the JPG at normal 100%. -- Colin (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)- Oppose per others. I find the composition confusing. Because of the title I thought it would be about neo-Nazis. But then I saw the sign at the top thought, maybe it's a company? But why name a company that? Then I saw the saw the file description and it said it's the red shoes, but they're a very tiny part of the photo. PumpkinSky talk 15:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Interesting, but per PumpkinSky and Colin. Might reconsider if issues were fixed. Picture Googling "American Fascism top quality" shows that this is some sort of sticker used in a variety of places. 1 & 2. Two web addresses can be seen on the stickers. "The Little Red Shoes" appears to be an alt name for the photo. --cart-Talk 15:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Sigh. This is akin to the photo currently at FPC of the Venezuelan police woman....bringing politics into FPC. I find this whole meme highly offensive. PumpkinSky talk 17:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- PumpkinSky, I don't really understand the sticker here or whether KDS4444 is making a political point or just found the scene odd and worth photographing. But please, politics absolutely does belong on Commons and at FP. It is part of life and to be documented. Would you deny this political photo if it had a free licence? Buy a book of Magnum photos and you'll see many of the best and most famous photos ever taken are political. [and see that most would fail FP's obsession with technical perfection above anything else] -- Colin (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Colin you're contracdicting yourself a bit here and in the Venezuelan photo. How'd you feel about "UK Fascism Top Quality" in a photo? The BLM photo is vastly different. All that being said, I've made my point and I'm not going to belabor it. Others can carry on or not as they like. PumpkinSky talk 17:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think I am. The photo is allowed to make a political point (provided there's nothing dishonest about the photography or processing), but our description text is not, which is my complaint in the other image. We're not here to judge the politics good/bad/evil, but I guess from your example, that's exactly what you are doing and turning your offence into an oppose. And to me, letting one's politics or moral values influence your vote is what should not occur at FPC. -- Colin (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Colin, that doesn't even dignify a response. PumpkinSky talk 01:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think I am. The photo is allowed to make a political point (provided there's nothing dishonest about the photography or processing), but our description text is not, which is my complaint in the other image. We're not here to judge the politics good/bad/evil, but I guess from your example, that's exactly what you are doing and turning your offence into an oppose. And to me, letting one's politics or moral values influence your vote is what should not occur at FPC. -- Colin (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Colin you're contracdicting yourself a bit here and in the Venezuelan photo. How'd you feel about "UK Fascism Top Quality" in a photo? The BLM photo is vastly different. All that being said, I've made my point and I'm not going to belabor it. Others can carry on or not as they like. PumpkinSky talk 17:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- PumpkinSky, I don't really understand the sticker here or whether KDS4444 is making a political point or just found the scene odd and worth photographing. But please, politics absolutely does belong on Commons and at FP. It is part of life and to be documented. Would you deny this political photo if it had a free licence? Buy a book of Magnum photos and you'll see many of the best and most famous photos ever taken are political. [and see that most would fail FP's obsession with technical perfection above anything else] -- Colin (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment We certainly need political photos here too, without them there would be no photos for articles on some of the most important events in history. We should also be able to feature them if they are legendary, excellent, of historical importance, whatever. Example. What is crucial though is to describe them in a neutral way. I'm not objecting to the photos per se, just keep the tone they are presented in factual per wiki guidelines. --cart-Talk 18:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Agree, though neutral policy applies to the description on the file page. On talk pages (like this) I think we are allowed to state personal opinions and views, in moderation and within the context of the photo. -- Colin (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, but keeping a level and neutral tone when nominating a photo at FPC is also better since it won't create undue bias pro or con the image. --cart-Talk 18:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - I don't understand the debate about the political content of a photo. Why on Earth wouldn't a sticker, regardless of what it says, be a reasonable subject for a photo, within the bounds of the taste of any viewer to consider? I also don't believe in being overly influenced by a photo's title. Regardless of the title, this is a photo of an urban scene that looks like a corner in Manhattan's Soho. It includes the referenced sticker, the red shoes that are mentioned in parentheses in the longer title, the police/fire call box and several other elements. As for the motif, I think it's interesting, but I don't think the photo is executed in a compelling way. If it were a bit sharper, the verticals were corrected and the blown-out light on the building were successfully dialed down in a realistic-looking way, I think it might be a worthy FP. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Let me be clear about the context here: my mother and I were walking around Manhattan with a pair of little red shoes we had purchased in Chinatown in 2005, and at one point she put them on top of this fire box and I took a picture. It wasn't until later that day that my brother-in-law looked at the picture and noticed the "fascism" sticker. The sticker was not part of the intended photo at all, but it happened to be there by surprise. No political comment was intended when the picture was taken. That others feel the picture has an overbearing political commentary, which I do not deny the picture conveys, are not commenting on the picture, which I believe is interesting: it has an a-HA moment in it, a record of a street scene in Manhattan in 2005. I did not place the sticker nor intend for it to be in the photo. But isn't it interesting that it is there? Or so I thought. This nomination looks like it has pretty well been torpedoed. 
I withdraw my nomination KDS4444 (talk) 03:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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