Commons talk:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility

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Why 200 edits[edit]

I'm curious why 200 edits are necessary in a competition with a stated goal of increasing participation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.109.195.11 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I share the curiosity of 72.X. I'm not sure I understand the need for such a high barrier to participation. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 06:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The voting rules are very similar to last year's rules. I believe the goal is and was to ensure that the voters were part of the Wikimedia community and knew a little about our FP process. I agree that this might be a little steep, but there are a great deal of active editors across all projects with more than 200 edits. It's likely a good portion of them might not participate...in general, this is a Wikimedia community activity, where the target audience is the Wikimedia community. I'd be willing to talk this through, but it might be a little to late to change everything. theMONO 04:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Mono. I think it's fine not to try to make any changes to this year's process. But personally I think it'd be great to revise the eligibility requirements next time, to encourage more people to participate. Voting for the picture of the year is a great way to get new people exposed to the depth and richness and value of what's available on Commons. Maybe there's a way to open up the nominations process to anyone who uses Commons, and then have a smaller group, familiar with the FP process, do the final judging? Anyway, I have always loved this competition: my thanks to you and the rest of the committee for managing it :-) Sue Gardner (talk) 07:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Our anonymous IP questioner hits it squarely on the head: If the stated goal is increasing participation, why would the editing requirement be so high, and why would it be on only a SINGLE Wikimedia project, rather than across all projects? This is another illustration of why I hate Wikipedians in general. They pretend to be inclusive but go out of their way to preserve exclusive cliques. Wilford Nusser (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Voting and being able to contribute are two different things, but yes, next year we should change the requirements. Because this contest is about images on commons, there should be a threshold of at least one QI uploaded to commons. That would be more fair than 200 edits, which is, BTW, not a really high barrier. Just correct spelling and layout mistakes in WP. hating in general is not a good idea Sincerely -- RE rillke questions? 07:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It's pretty high. I believe my count was 176 (oh the shame! oh the horrible horrible shame!), and while I don't consider myself an active member of the community, I do consider myself an active member of the project. It thus was a blow to not be able to vote. Rillke, I guess I'm just not as good a speller as you. Indeed123 (talk) 03:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Being honest, I am not a "speller", too. I edited a lot in my user-namespace, tested and wrote some articles. It's your decision how often you press the save-button. But as I said, editcount is not a fair barrier. -- RE rillke questions? 17:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Autotranslate does not work here. It works only on template - namespace.[edit]

Therefore there are a few changes necessary. -- RE rillke questions? 13:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to be bold and fix it as needed - I'm not sure how all that works. theMONO 04:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hidden rules?[edit]

Why are the rules and voting instructions hidden? The point of this page is to inform users. I think it is easier to spread the information if it is visible. /Ö 17:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I had the same question in mind. Is this included somewhere where we have not much space? Otherwise the hiding really makes no sense.
This was inserted by Mono. I have asked him. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Since Mono apparently does not want to answer, I have changed it at Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility/de for a first test. Anything broken because of the non-hidden content? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 21:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
This looks much better. -- RE rillke questions? 23:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility/de[edit]

I have corrected Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility/de but the error stays on the Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility.--Diwas 09:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✓ Done Wenn soetwas passiert, klicke ich immer auf Bearbeiten und ersetze in der Adresszeile edit mit purge und entere. -- RE rillke questions? 10:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Danke, muss ich mir mal merken. --Diwas 11:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if I can vote[edit]

I'm not sure if I can vote: I have a very active four-years-old account on Hebrew Wikipedia here. How can I vote and with which account? If I want to vote from this account, with which I have registered to commons (User:Tomer T), can I? Or should it be linked in some way to my account in hebrew wikipedia? (I also didn't quite understand what is this linking all about and how can I do it) Tomer T 15:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Login with Tomer T, put I am תומר ט on Hebrew Wikipedia on your userpage here, login in he.wikipedia.org, put I am Tomer T on Commons on your userpage. -- RE rillke questions? 16:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
If you are the same person you are eligible -- RE rillke questions? 16:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I assume I don't need to write these exact words, don't I? Tomer T 16:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
No, only the link is important. And that you login with the local accounts. -- RE rillke questions? 16:24, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I did it. Tomer T 16:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✓ Done I forgot: Please add [[he:משתמש:תומר ט]] to your commons user-page. -- RE rillke questions? 16:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

How many pictures can be selected per vote?[edit]

It is not visible from these guidelines on the first side.--Juan de Vojníkov (talk) 06:37, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

JavaScript[edit]

I have questions concerning the instructions found in The procedure section.
How do I know if I have a active JavaScript that will work for this voting? I have the editcounter page on en.Wikipedia that I think is JavaScript, but I do not think I should make any changes to that page. If I do have an active JavaScript on another Wikipedia and/or I have a Global account, does that make a difference? The instructions say that if I do not have an active JavaScript that I need to insert

#{{2010POTY/Vote|Your_username}}--~~~~

on a new page. What new page? Do I create a new userpage that will be titled User:RifeIdeas/JavaScript or User:RifeIdeas/Vote or what name? Is that on any Wikipedia account or does it have to be on Wikimedia Commons? And I am guessing that I am to assume to replace Your_username with RifeIdeas.
I have not included my name to the list of voters as of yet because I wanted these questions about JavaScript answered first, and to set up the proper page if needed.
Thanks in advance for any advice.--RifeIdeas Talk 16:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC

FOLLOWUP I got to the Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Eligibility on Wikimedia Commons after clicking on a link in en.Wikipedia. I only realized I was on Commons when I previewed the above message that I seen I was not logged in on as it showed only my IP address. I then logged on before continuing with saving the page.
--RifeIdeas Talk 16:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

If you have clicked on the button and you got response that your vote has been saved, there is no need for #{{2010POTY/Vote|Your_username}}--~~~~. If you click a button, you'll find your edit in Special:Contributions/RifeIdeas. You do not have to modify your common.js or your vector.js or any other page in your user namespace in order to vote. not a committee-member -- RE rillke questions? 22:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
It might be nice to have the fololowing feature on the rules page: Change the descriptions to "If you have JS enabled (but you haven't) / If you don't have JS enabled" or "If you have JS enabled / If you don't have JS enabled (but you have)" depending on whether JS is (currently) activated or not.--Hagman (talk) 18:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
✓ Done: There is a note for en and de, now. -- RE rillke questions? 19:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Round 2 Voting[edit]

The rules state that, "In the final round each eligible user is allowed to vote only once, for only one of the finalist images." I was confused when I saw that there's a first second and third place winner for each category. Do each user get 1 vote per category or 1 vote per 170 pictures? I'm sure the rules won't be changing at this point but giving users the ability to vote on as many pictures as they want out of 784 images then giving them 1 vote for 170 seems drastic. If this is the case, I don't see how this will produce the desired result with any degree of accuracy although I haven't seen any previous discussion on the matter. OlYeller21 (talk) 16:30, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

To the final will advance category winners + second places + top 10 (from all pics, not from each category), that will be appr. 40 pics. 1 vote per 40 pics is not drastic. --Jklamo (talk) 22:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

How to check[edit]

Thanks to Mono and Kalan, counting votes is far easier and faster than previous years.

With the output of your softwares I made a table and a priority checking page. I just like to know what your software can do and what cannot, as i hope to help what is difficult for softwares to do. Such as:

  • check dupe
  • check the "pending" vote
  • re-check the "fail" vote which are labelled "fail" because of "no global account, cannot auto-select an eligible wiki " or using capital letters instead of small letters, etc.
  • add colon (or strike) to the vote to ignore it

If your software these things easily, please say so. I'd be happy. I made a test check on one votepage. Perhaps what I should do is not counting but checking the vote verification. Is it right? If so I'll add verification column to the table and priority checking page. .--miya (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Kalan, author of [1], told me that "what should be done is checking users that were not found eligible by the script". So it is important to check the eligible or pending users in the votepage and add them to the voters list.

You can see images with high priority Commons:Picture of the Year/2010/Results/R1/Checking. --miya (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Eligibility check tool[edit]

The link to the contest eligibility tool looks like it's broken. ProtoFire (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I have replaced (for en & pl) the link to Mono's eligibility tool with this one: http://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/accounteligibility/?user=&wiki=&event=16 So it should work now. --Mikołka (talk) 13:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

why??[edit]

I'd love voting... but i've got a wiki account only from april... :( May someone explain me why? →

“Users must have an account, at any Wikimedia project, which was registered before 1 January 2011”

--thanks, και (dimmi tutto) 19:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

  1. No manipulations are possible. (Some people might be thinking about making 200 nonsense-edits only for POTY-eligibility.)
  2. That's POTY 2010.

Sincerely -- RE rillke questions? 20:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

you're right... i'll wait... και (dimmi tutto) 20:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Not unified account on another wiki[edit]

Am I eligible to vote? I have an account (pl:User:Mik), which has sufficient number of edits, but is not unified. My account on Commons is unified (User:Mik_0), but does not have 200 edits on any wiki. According to Polish translation of this page I should make links between these accounts to be eligible to vote. On English version there is no such information. Mik 0 (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

My situation is similar to above User:Tomer T, wich is verified as eligible, so I hope that I will also be eligible. My question now is to update the eligibility rules, so they are clear (that the accounts can be cross linked) and the same in different translations. Mik 0 (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can remember User:Mono has published the new rules. Don't know why they have changed. Just vote and see what happens. Sincerely -- RE rillke questions? 14:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)