Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stanley Theatre Heritage Plaque.jpg

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File:Stanley Theatre Heritage Plaque.jpg[edit]

See Special:PermanentLink/81565860#File:Stanley Theatre Heritage Plaque.jpg: the OTRS permission is only from the photographer but not from the writer of the text. Canadian FOP only applies to artistic works, but this is a literary work. Stefan4 (talk) 13:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What if we "clouded out" the text part--you know, so it becomes too fuzzy to read? If people could still see the upper part, with "Stanley Theatre" (and the architect's name?) written under it, it would still be somewhat useful as an image, without infringing on any literary rights. Or crop the bottom of the picture off? --Moisejp (talk) 01:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that you only can take photos of artistic works if they are works of artistic craftsmanship. While a metallic plaque probably counts as a work of artistic craftsmanship, the art drawn on the plaque does not. Thus, you would have to remove the logo too. --Stefan4 (talk) 12:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Because the logo is copyrighted, I presume? Could you please direct me to where all of these rules and distinctions are specified? Thanks. --Moisejp (talk) 15:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The link COM:FOP#Canada actually does include (if you scroll up) "Sometimes, a literary work is a part of a sculpture or is presented on a publicly accessible plaque. It is usually understood that the particular presentation of the work falls under the panorama freedom." Where does it say that this is not true in Canada? --Moisejp (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is just a generic section which applies to some countries but not to all countries, without further specifying which countries it applies to. Some more specific text from the COM:FOP#Canada section: "The freedom provided by the quoted section does not apply to typical two-dimensional works such as paintings, murals, advertising hoardings, maps, posters or signs." This is a sign, so FOP does not apply in Canada. --Stefan4 (talk) 12:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some people here: Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Plaques_in_Vancouver are arguing that such Heritage in Vancouver plaques are 3D. I'd agree that it could be considered 3D. Also, you're changing your arguments. Here Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Plaques_in_Vancouver you wrote "2D or 3D doesn't matter since it's text." Now you're saying that 2D vs 3D is an issue. --Moisejp (talk) 14:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • It doesn't matter so much whether it is 2D or 3D. It only matters if it is a work of artistic craftsmanship or not. A 2D work is usually not a work of artistic craftsmanship, and a 3D work is usually a work of artistic craftsmanship, but there are exceptions. Signs are specifically listed as not being works of artistic craftsmanship. A work of artistic craftsmanship has to have two features: it must be artistic, and it must be a work of craftsmanship. In what way is the text artistic? According to en:craftsmanship, a work of craftsmanship is an "item[] that may be functional or strictly decorative, including furniture, sculpture, clothing, jewellery, household items and tools or even machines such as the handmade devices of a watchmaker". In which way is the text an "item that may be functional or strictly decorative"? --Stefan4 (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't think any evidence has been presented so far that clearly and unequivocally shows that this plaque, which by some people's judgment can be considered 3D, falls under the Canadian standards of what must be deleted. --Moisejp (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: The text is certainly a problem. The rest of the plaque is almost certainly a problem, but that issue is moot because the plaque falls out of scope if the text is blurred. .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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