Template talk:PD-RU-exempt

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Soviet propaganda posters belong to this category?

Can soviet propaganda posters be uploaded for their use in Wikipedia? Thank you. Atón (talk) 18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

• Nope. Alex Spade (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Subcategory of official documents

Can a template parameter option of {{PD-RU-exempt|type=podvignaroda}} be added so that items can be categorized in Category:Documents from the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defence (which would be made a subcategory of PD-RU-exempt|type=documents), that way it is easier to find specific documents? Thanks.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

• State archives are not PD-RU-exempt in general. Alex Spade (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Article 1259

{{Editprotected}} We have the full text of Civil Code of Russia on Wikisource. Can we add direct link to article 1259 to the respective text of the template please? ( https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%A0%D0%A4/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0_70#%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F_1259 ) -- Wesha (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

NB the short link is ru:s:Гражданский_кодекс_РФ/Глава_70#Статья_1259. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:03, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• I do not think that this is good idea. Civil Code is changed steadily. Moreover original Russian text is not good for English speakers. Alex Spade (talk) 09:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Civil code changes, it's better to keep the links on the current texts. --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 07:55, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Scope of "official work" exemption

@Alex Spade, Magog the Ogre, and Hedwig in Washington: Pinging recent participants on this page.

This is actually spawned by a copyright discussion on English Wikisource, but as we often look to Commons for answers to thorny questions, and the answer might be useful to Commons as well, I'll be forward and bug y'all with the question.

COM:Russia doesn't address "official work" exemptions in Russian copyright directly, and only refers to {{PD-RU-exempt}} briefly as concerning "State emblems and official signs". This template mentions "official work"-type stuff as one bullet out of four that it covers.

The question at issue is the scope of that exception: is it a US-style {{PD-USGov}} exception for a wide range of material produced by the government, or is it a more narrow {{PD-EdictGov}} type of exemption that only covers the text of laws, judicial decisions, or other material that in some way carries legal force?

The case that brought up the issue on enWS is a 1941 radio speech by Stalin in his capacity as President of the National Defence Commission (i.e. in an official government capacity, rather than personal or political capacity). So far as we've been able to determine, if the speech had been under personal copyright its US copyright would have been restored by the URAA (details at enWS linked above). Its English translation was published (again, as best we can determine) without proper copyright formalities in the US in 1941, so the translation is {{PD-US-no-notice}}. enWS copyright policy only requires a work to be PD in the US, so that discussion will boil down to whether the original speech falls under the "official work" exemptions or not.

In any case, the specific issue aside, it would be good to have a section explaining the scope covered by this template on COM:Russia for the benefit of the Commons community (in addition to the sister projects that rely on it for advice and information). --Xover (talk) 15:17, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

• PD-RU-exempt is not like PD-USGov. There is not term official work in RU copyright law. There are official documents which must have legislative, administrative or judicial character and state symbols. The term official document is based on Berne Convention, Article 2, point (4). There are many Soviet/Russian official documents which do not fall under {{PD-RU-exempt}}, because they have not respective character. Alex Spade (talk) 17:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)