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Edit request

{{Edit request}} Please add "volapükist" (w:en:Volapükist) and "bohemist". Thanks, --Petrus Adamus (talk) 20:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

If you want the page to be translated, this is not the right place to ask. The translation can be added to the other template. It is not protected. --Cwbm (commons) (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I pleased only adding to the list in {{Occupation/en}}. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 07:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 Comment What is a "bohemist" ?--Zolo (talk) 07:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Un bohemiste est un spécialiste des langues et de la civilisation tchèque. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I can see the French word on the internet but not the English one.--Zolo (talk) 06:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, of course you can translate it to English in another way, I do not how. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 07:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Since there does not seem to be any English word, I think the most cautious solution would be something like "Czech studies specialist" .
I am not sure, that a Frenchman (although maybe mastering English) will understood, that it should be his bohemiste. Anyway, it is possible to find the word Bohemist(ics) on webpages in English as well, see for instance the following ones: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 15:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we shold create new words here I can add Czech studies specialist=Bohémiste in occupation/fr.--Zolo (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you are right, but the examples above should have demonstrated the present existence of the word in English. Anyway, there are many words of the same group needed, such as Polonist, Germanist, Hispanist, Hellenist etc. Besides, the second requested, Volapükist, is similar to Esperantist, both normally used. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Bohemstics seems to be more commons than Bohemist. Though it may sound natural to go from to one to the other I think we should wait that it has become more widely used. I have no objection to Polonist or Volapükist if they are commonly used.
The problem is that change a non-English version is easy, but as English is used as the source language, changing an item in that requires an edit in all localisation subpages. But what can I do, being not an administrator, please add there at least something. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

✓ Done I added "Volapükist", lets create "Bohemist" or "Bohemstics" article in english wikipedia and it it survives then lets revisit the issue. --Jarekt (talk) 19:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, pray create an item of that meaning in a translation at your pleasure, so that we could translate it as bohemista to Czech. --Petrus Adamus (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

New Edit request

{{edit request}} Please add:

✓ Done--Jarekt (talk) 19:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

{{tl|edit request}}

Please add: 

|abbot|abbess={{#ifeq:{{{2|}}}|f|abbess|abbot}}

Thanks! Cinnamologus (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

✓ Done. – Adrignola talk 18:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

copper engraver

Please add:
|copper engraver=copper engraver
--Botaurus (talk) 19:56, 17 October 2011 (UTC) ✓ Done--Zolo (talk) 13:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

glass engraver

Could anyone add "glass engraver"? Thanks, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 14:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Done, but would "glass artist" do ? The template is already very long, so it becomes rather hard to keep translation up to date.--Zolo (talk) 10:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Egyptologist, Iranologist

Please add parameters for 'Egyptologist' and 'Iranologist', (needed here) thanks in advance. --Z 15:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh and also 'orientalist'. --Z 18:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

✓ Done--Zolo (talk) 19:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Sort order

{{Editprotected}}

  1. Please improve sort order at the "c-letter" section.
  2. "farmer" should be after "fantasy writer"

--Kaganer (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 16:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Alternates

Fixes and comments

{{Editprotected}}

  1. "copper engraver" and "copperplate engraver" - is these same occupation? If so, please merge.
  2. "illuminator" and "manuscript illuminator" / "limner" - is these same occupation? If so, please merge.
  3. "neurobiologist" is alternate for "neuroscientist" (scientist), not for "neurologist" (physician); please fix it and check for using.
    Are fixed. --Kaganer (talk) 15:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  4. now added two different occupations - "porcelain artist" and "porcelain painter". This these same, thing "potter|ceramic artist|ceramist|ceramic designer|porcelain designer"? If not, please comment and clarify. Where painter, where sculptor, where artisan...
  5. "surveyor" is ambiguation term. I guess that means an expert on the topography, but this also expert of Insurance Company.

--Kaganer (talk) 15:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Additions

please add

  1. "landowner" as alternate for "landholder"
  2. "agriculturist|agricultural engineer=agriculturist" (engineer) unlike to "agronomist|agriculturalist" (scientist). Or merge it.
  3. "opera singer" as new item
  4. "pedagogist" as alternate for "pedagog|pedagogue"
  5. "playwriter|dramaturg|dramaturgist" as alternate for "playwright|dramatist"
  6. "obstetrician|accoucheur=obstetrician" as new item
  7. "landscape architect" as new item

--Kaganer (talk) 15:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

✓ Done I suppose a landscape architect is different to a landscape designer? Jastrow (Λέγετε) 17:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
As well, as the landscape architecture is different to a landscape design ;) Thanks! --Kaganer (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Mineralogist

{{edit request}} Please, add "mineralogist" (i.e. the researcher of minerals); currently there are only 'mineral collector' and 'mineral dealer'. Thanks. --Eleassar (t/p) 11:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

✓ DoneZolo (talk) 12:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

mapmaker and military engineer

{{Edit request}} Please add occupations: 

  mapmaker

  military engineer

Thanks, Zeete (talk) 14:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

benthologist and carcinologist

{{Edit request}}

Please add:

  • benthologist
  • carcinologist

Thanks.  B.p. 18:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 16:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

paper manufacturer and colored paper manufacturer

{{Edit request}}

Please add:

  • paper manufacturer
  • colored paper manufacturer|coloured paper manufacturer|tinted paper manufacturer

Thanks. --Gorup (talk) 13:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

@Gorup: . Paper manufacturer was added, but is there a real need for "colored paper manufacturer". Keep in mind that these things are supposed to be translated in all languages. --Zolo (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

political cartoonist

please add political cartoonist.

Thank you.--Auric (talk) 15:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

✓ Done --Jarekt (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Wood sculptor

Hi, kindly ask you to add

wood sculptor
Thank you --Jwh (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done --Zolo (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Girdler

Hi, please add 'Girdler' (i.e. belt-maker; [7]). Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 11:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done--Zolo (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Fix and please add map publisher

{{Edit request}} Please add:

  1. |aerial photographer = aerial photographer
  2. |aquarist = aquarist
  3. |clerk = clerk
  4. |craftsman|artisan = artisan
  5. |epigraphist = epigraphist
  6. |ethnologist = ethnologist
  7. |friar = friar
  8. |herpetologist = herpetologist
  9. |journalist|pressman = journalist ← I've seen a number of "pressmen", perhaps an alias would be good to have
  10. |humorist|humourist = humorist
  11. |maritime painter = maritime painter ← Note, we have a "marine painter" category, but I think they differ. Perhaps not, and one should be made an alternate of the other
  12. |map publisher = map publisher
  13. |metal worker|metalworker = metal worker ← This variant is quite common in the creator namespace, please add an alias
  14. |model maker = model maker
  15. |museum director = museum director
  16. |nurse = nurse
  17. |orator|public speaker = orator
  18. |paleographist = paleographist
  19. |police officer = police officer
  20. |psychiatrist = psychiatrist
  21. |publicist = publicist
  22. |statistician = statistician

Also, please see the above requests that were not marked with {{Edit request}}. Thanks! Storkk (talk) 10:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC) Added a few Storkk (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done. Thanks.-Zolo (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

A few more additions

{{edit request}} Please add:

  1. |colorist|colourist = colorist
  2. |guitarist = guitarist
  3. |osteopath = osteopath
  4. |map publisher = map publisher ← didn't take last time.
  5. |philanthropist = philanthropist
  6. |philatelist = philatelist
  7. |prince|princess={{#ifeq:{{{2|}}}|f|princess|prince}}
  8. |stockbroker = stockbroker

and modify:

  1. |armorer | armourer| armor maker|armour maker=armourer ← armourer is the occupation that has a wiki page

Thanks! Storkk (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

wine-merchant

{{Edit request}} Please add:

  • |wine merchant|wine-merchant|wine seller = wine merchant

Thanks! --Gorup (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 21:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hairdresser

I couldn't find anything for hairdresser, hair stylist, or coiffeur. Maybe someone can add them? Examples are Rose Bertin and Léonard-Alexis Autié. Thanks. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done Added |hairdresser|barber|coiffeur=hairdresser --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Producer

{{editrequested}} Please, add 'producer'. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 06:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Communist

{{editrequested}} Please, also add 'communist'. --Eleassar (t/p) 06:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

 Question That's not really an occupation. Do we add political interest to this list? --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 22:36, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm primarily editing categories of people from Slovenia. There are so many cases of a person described as a 'communist' in the Slovene Wikipedia [8] that I presumed it would be worthy to add the term to the list. There are other categories too that are not an occupation, e.g. "national hero".[9] Even if these are not an occupation sensu stricto, they're concise descriptions of what the person is notable for, so they can stand on their own in the introduction line. --Eleassar (t/p) 05:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Right. The template name is not without ambiguity. I add some other political labels as well. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 14:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Communist is ✓ Done. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 14:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 20:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Physiologist

{{Edit requested}} Hi, please add 'physiologist'. --Eleassar (t/p) 09:05, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done

confectioner

{{Edit request}} Please add:

  • |confectioner|pastry-cook=confectioner

Thanks! --Gorup (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:23, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Publicist

{{edit requested}} Hi, please add 'publicist'. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 14:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The term is ambiguous: it can mean a PR job or a lawyer specialised in public or international law. It's probably best to chose a more precise term. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 12:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I want to use it with the meaning of de:Publizist (cf [10]) --тнояsтеn ⇔ 14:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
@Thgoiter: Was machen wir mit diesem ER? --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Wie wärs mit "publicist (journalist)"? --тнояsтеn ⇔ 06:29, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
"Publicist" gibts überigens schon, vgl. z. B. [11]. Kommt wohl über Template:Occupation/uk rein. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 06:33, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Sehe gerade, dass das hier schon drin ist: [12]. Ich weiß aber nicht mehr, wieso ich hier zusätzlich angefragt habe... Februar ist lang her ;) --тнояsтеn ⇔ 06:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 Not done Dann legen wir diesen hier erstmal zur Ruhe. :) --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Conceptual artist

{{edit requested}} Please add "conceptual artist", for use, for example, on Creator:Gillian Wearing; see en:Gillian Wearing. Andy Mabbett (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:23, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

A few more occupations to add

{{Edit request}} Please add:

  1. |electrical engineer=electrical engineer
  2. |general contractor|contractor=general contractor
  3. |social reformer=social reformer
  4. |spiritualist|medium=spiritualist
  5. |travel writer=travel writer

Thanks! Storkk (talk) 10:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 15:18, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Photojournalist

{{Edit request}} Please add |photojournalist=photojournalist. The example is Creator:J. Ross Baughman. Nonexyst (talk) 19:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC) ✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Student

{{Edit request}} Please add 'student'; some people, like Ivan Adamič, were simply students (he was killed in a protest). --Eleassar (t/p) 12:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Tinsmith

{{Edit request}} Please, add 'tinsmith'. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:04, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Please repair

{{Edit request}} Please be so kind and take a look through the following:

  • Fix this line: ✓ Done
|anti communist=anti-communist=anti communsit
               ^                          ^^
  • |comic book writer comes twice. ✓ Done
  • “empress” is missing (“emperor” exists). ✓ Done
  • Why are “duke/duchess” combined with the noble… terms, when “king/queen“ and “prince/princess” (and “emperor”) have their own names? ✓ Done
  • There’s no “american football player” and (oops) no “softball player”. For the second, there’s only a “north-american soft ball player”. I do not understand the sense of this specialization. (Correction by Speravir on 17:19, 19 December 2015, UTC.)  Not done
  • Shouldn’t be sorted:
    • “communist” before “composer”? ✓ Done
    • “friar” after “fresco painter”? ✓ Done
    • “photojournalist” after “photographer” and both before “physician”? ✓ Done
    • “physiologist” after “physicist”? ✓ Done
  • |plasterer could be combined with |stuccoist. ✓ Done
  • Isn’t “porcelain manufacture” a typo? Earlier there are both “manufacture” and “manufacturer”, but only a “paper manufacturer”. ✓ Done
  • Compare the hyphen signs in the groups of “black-” and “red-figure vase painter/s”. This looks a bit odd to me. There is also “vase painter/s“ – only without the hyphen sign. ✓ Done
  • It seems, that “romanist” was accidently removed (it’s in the list). ✓ Done
  • Maybe, I’m wrong and the Britsh call them otherwise, but why is there only a “theater critic”? ✓ Done
  • “voice actress” is missing. ✓ Done
  • Not important, but (for me with syntax highlighting) annoying: There are trailing spaces in a lot of lines, as far as I see, mostly tab characters. In a downloaded test file removing of these saved 531 bytes, so probably there are as many tabs at line endings. ✓ Done

And, please, add a distinct notice for all admins, that after each update of the English template also the term list must be updated. It took me just hours to add all the missing terms. ✓ Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speravir (talk • contribs) 04:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC) (UTC)

Later additions from 02:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC):

  • “accoucheuse“ is missing (“accoucheur“ exists). ✓ Done
  • “anti communist/anti communist” should be sorted before “antiquarian”. ✓ Done
  • For “anti-revolutionary/antirevolutionary” the more common term seems to be counter(-/ )revolutionary, cf. this redirect: en:Anti-revolutionary.  Not done
  • Why “cobbler”, but no “shoemaker”? ✓ Done
  • In which sense is “founder” used? Is it here the same like “caster”?  Not done
  • Is there a female form for “friar”? (Update: It’s “sister”.) ✓ Done
  • “guitarist” should be sorted before “gunsmith”. ✓ Done
  • There’s “king of Persia”, but no “queen…”. ✓ Done
  • I don’t know, why, but in the German translation list exists an “ophthalmologist”. It is missing in the English list (also no synonym “oculist”), was it accidentally removed or should it deleted from German translation list? ✓ Done
  • The same for “wholesaler”: it’s on the German list, but not on the English one. ✓ Done

--Speravir (Talk) 02:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Speravir, I copied current Template:Occupation/en to Template:Occupation/en/sandbox. Can you add your proposed changes there? --Jarekt (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, we I can. Thank you. I will go through the entries and add a mark at every item, which is done, and which is intentionally not done. For the second group I will add notes below. --Speravir (Talk) 21:25, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

So, I made the edits to the sandbox. Now some necessary remarks for things to notify:

  • I solved the case with the hyphen sign in “black-/red-figure vase painter/s” and companions by adding all variations. I found them all in Commons, but did not search for the use in an “occupation” field.
  • “porcelain manufacture” is actually used in Creator:Manufacture nationale de Sèvres, so I could not change it. But I added “porcelain manufacturer”. Hence, it is solved in a special way.
  • The question for the meaning of “founder” was not for a change in the English phrasing, but at least in German there are two (nowadays) fully different translations, cf. dict.cc: Gießer and dict.cc: Gründer. According to a search in Commons it is in the moment only used in the meaning “caster”. I added an HTML comment (like I added one after |porcelain manufacture). There is by the way no “molder” (British version) until now.
  • “anti-revolutionary/antirevolutionary” versus “counter-revolutionary”: This seems to be American versus British English. A native speaker should decide whether the later should be added (mind the redirection in enwiki), and if yes, in which location (as separate term?).
  • “north-american softball player” is not done only in one sense: I added “softball player”, but did not delete the other. A search, though, did not show any use of the phrase without one deleted category: Search results for „insource:/north.?american softball player/i “ without templates. This looks to me, that it could be deleted, but it is already in several sub-templates: Search results for „insource:/north.?american softball player/i “ only in templates – something for a bot, I think.
  • See the notice I added at the very end of the template in the noinclude area. Please check for spelling and diction.

After any potential changes here I would this time update the term overview, again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speravir (talk • contribs) 22:54, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Patriot

{{Edit request}} Can we add patriot?--Pierpao.lo (listening) 15:36, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Pierpao, you’ve forgotten to add the template. I did it for you. --Speravir (Talk) 21:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thanks a lot Speravir--Pierpao.lo (listening) 21:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

{{Edit request}}

please--Pierpao.lo (listening) 17:58, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 04:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Organizer

{{Editrequest}} Hi, can you please add organizer (and also organiser). Thanks a lot. --Eleassar (t/p) 15:52, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done --Jarekt (talk) 13:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Diver, caver, traveller

{{Editrequest}} Hi, can you please add diver, caver, and traveller (also traveler)? Thanks a lot. --Eleassar (t/p) 12:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done but next time feel free to add it yourself. --Jarekt (talk) 23:47, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Wax sculptor

{{Editrequest}}

Please add wax modeller and perhaps also wax sculptor to the list. Thanks in advance! Halibutt (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks! --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Mayor, partisan, sculptor etc

{{Editrequest}} Please add "mayor, partisan, sculptor, woodworker, stonecarver, marble worker, en:Heimatforscher" to the list. Thanks--Auric (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Aside from “woodworker” also “wood worker”, I think. “Sculptor” is already included. — Speravir_Talk – 19:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
@Auric and Speravir: Heimatforscher ✓ Done Entered: Mayor = politician. OK or does mayor need an extra entry? --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
It should be fine. Thanks.--Auric (talk) 03:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
But some finetuning, please, Hedwig: Instead of |politician=politician|mayor it has to be written as
|politician|mayor=politician
— Speravir_Talk – 18:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
✓ Done. Thank you. – Kwj2772 (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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