Commons:Deletion requests/File:Annoying User, Good Content.JPG

File:Annoying User, Good Content.JPG

There is enough creativity in these words that they would attract copyright protection. A request to Jimmy Wales for further information on the licencing of the words has gone unanswered for over a month, so unfortunately we need to raise this at DR, as the photo is a derivative work of the words and without knowing the licencing of the words we simply can't host it here on Commons. russavia (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

• Adding File:Jimmy Wales at Wikimania 2014 closing ceremony - annoying user good content.jpg to the nomination. russavia (talk) 10:11, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

• Delete. Imagine he's very busy and can't respond to every picayune thing? --Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H. (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC) It would have been polite to have written in this nomination, however, we must understand that he is a very busy person, additionally, we are a toxic and youth community --Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H. (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

• • Sigh. Saffron Blaze (talk) 01:13, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Keep - this looks like another incident in RA's series of harassment of JW. Why don't you just quit it? Smallbones (talk) 02:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

  Smallbones, if you have evidence of harassment then present it at an appropriate noticeboard and request action, not by making unhelpful and disruptive comments in deletion requests. Making a claim like this out of process is a personal attack. --Fæ (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

•  Comment It is available here and the transcript is available here. My understanding from a discussion with Mdennis (WMF) is that such slides are CC BY-SA 3.0 Copyright WMF. If speeches are copyrighted without a free license, we need to delete a lot. Jee 03:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • It's my understanding that WMF licencing by CC-BY-SA-3.0 is only valid for staff and contractors of the WMF. Jimmy is not staff, but a member of the board. I'm not sure if that licencing would extend to board members. russavia (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes; you're right. But we need to know who prepared those slides. If they're prepared by the staff, they must have a free license and needs permission from Jimmy. (As a generic note I wish all materials used in WMF activities must be freely licensed. If it is not so far; respected people must take initiative to make it sure.) Jee 05:41, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Comment I would like to see this file, amongst all those files above (which apply) deleted, unless an OTRS-ticket can be provided or something where it clearly states that these "speeches" are under CC-BY-SA 3.0. ({{No permission}}). Just sad to see users "flying over here", voting keep, without any reasons or policies, just out of personal grudges. I ask closing admin later to disregard all !votes which doesn't cite a policy or has an argument. Comments like "Why don't you just quit it?"...hmmm...Not the right venue to air you personal opinions about users, this discusiion is about the photo and speech/quote/whatever. I will however obstain from !voting', due to my personal feelings etc., so ignore when I said I wanted them deleted. Thats just an opinion of mine, and not based in any policies. Josve05a (talk) 04:07, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Forwarded for opinion. :) Jee 04:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Mdennis (WMF) clarified that Jimmy is not bound by any WMF contracts. So the default permission for WMF staff and contractors not applicable here. Jee 02:57, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete I change my "no vote", to a delete !vote, per Mdennis (WMF) clarifying comment: " Jimmy doesn't work for the WMF; the copyright status of employees doesn't apply to him. While he's a member of the Board, he's not bound by our contracts. I'm afraid that it's a separate situation from the above. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)". Josve05a (talk) 07:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
    •  Keep I have struck my delete-!vote per reasons below. But I still want us to investigate further with other slides. Josve05a (talk) 12:20, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Josve05a: EdSaperia confirmed that he "has releases from all main stage speakers except Lila and Jimmy." I think Lila falls under WMF staff; so everything is OK now? Jee 16:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
        • @Jkadavoor: If that is the case, then we should be all set. Josve05a (talk) 16:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Delete per this statement by Jimmy Wales. Commons should not be directed from Jimmy Wales' English Wikipedia talk page. My experience on the English Wikipedia when someone who was trolling me created an RFC/U later resulted in Arbcom, of which Jimmy is a member, admonishing me for not taking part in it (while at the same time admonishing the troll that created the same RFC/U for their trolling), so there seems no excuse for Jimmy not to apply the same rules to himself, and correctly respond to basic copyright concerns rather than gaming the system. Jimmy is free to raise a desysop request against Russavia presenting a case that can be properly assessed by the Wikimedia community, if that is what he really wants to achieve, rather than using this copyright issue as part of a soapbox to damage Commons through rabble-rousing, politicking and sniping. This is not the behaviour I expect of a trustee, nor someone who appears to regularly present themselves as representing the Wikimedia community in the media. --Fæ (talk) 08:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Comment The same content from Fabrice Florin (WMF) is available here by Geraki. So pinging their opinions too. Jee 09:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

•  Keep In Wikimania 2014 all presentations, speeches AND SLIDES should be under cc-by-sa-3.0, INCLUDING the video of the session. -Geraki ^T_L^G 12:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • @Geraki: that is only for actual submissions for Wikimania. I don't believe Jimmy's speech was done by way of a submission. All we need is for Jimmy to say "CC-BY-SA-3.0 is fine for the licencing" and we can fix the licencing of the files, and close this down. But as long as we get nothing of the like, there is doubt as to the licencing and the files need to be deleted. russavia (talk) 12:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
    • So you mean Jimmy can present anything in Wikimania without the prior approval from the programme committee? It should not be encouraged (if true). Jee 12:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Jimbo will not come to reply this review because the community is toxic and juvenille (see jimbo talk page). Paradoxically his attitude seems more toxic and youthful itself. The rules are for everyone, as long as no superpowers --Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H. (<span class="signature-talk" talk) 13:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
        • Wilfredo, I understand what you are telling; but he need not come here to release the rights. He can do it anywhere by a simple comment even at his EN talk page too. We are also checking whether such rights are pre released before that presentation too. (I've no comments about his personality or attitude towards Commons as it is not relevant in this DR. But it is relevant for Commons and will comment when discussed at VP or a similar venue.) Jee 14:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Yes, and not just Jimmy. The Wikimania programme committee does not act as a censor or review body for presentations, there was only a system for presentation applications.

      My case: I gave two presentations, neither was required to be later released by me as a freely licensed document (though this was one of the expectations for presenters). Before I presented nobody had looked or asked to review my presentation slides, and when I released one of my presentation packs to Commons, nobody else reviewed or checked it for copyright of the images or text I used in it.

      Jimmy's presentation was among the main sessions of key notes and external speakers. These people were not required to release their slides under CC-BY-SA-3.0 and there has been no systematic release of the presentations after Wikimania as there was no systematic collection of the presentation files. The sessions I went to included photographs that I strongly doubt were intended to be freely released, even though those presenting were happy enough being photographed and filmed.

      My conclusion is that we should be cautious with all presentations and photographs from Wikimania. Even when uploaded by the original presenter, this is not a guarantee that they have made no mistakes on copyright of their source material, and when not uploaded by the presenter we must be doubly cautious that a verifiable release is in place. --Fæ (talk) 12:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

      • Thanks Fæ for the reply. I saw some accepted and disqualified categories; that's why I suspected about some screening. Anyway I didn't see Jimmy's presentation there. Jee 14:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

•  Keep Oh good grief. This discussion falls into the category of seriously ridiculous and puerile behavior that Jimmy is complaining about. Though there are numerous things on Commons (and Wikipedia) that are of questionable licensing status or out and out copyright violations, this is not one of them. --UserB (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • @UserB: then perhaps you can tell us under what licence Jimmy's words are licenced under. Because I've got NFI. And neither does anyone else. russavia (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
• Delete. Unfortunately, Commons should Delete per Mdennis (WMF) clarifying comment: " Jimmy doesn't work for the WMF; the copyright status of employees doesn't apply to him. While he's a member of the Board, he's not bound by our contracts. I'm afraid that it's a separate situation from the above. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)". In this particular situation it would be best to obtain permission via the Commons:OTRS process. -- Cirt (talk) 23:14, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Note - I've struck my delete, per license permission given by User:Jimbo Wales at: Yes. I hereby license the above-referenced talk (Wikimania 2014) under CC-BY-SA-3.0.. -- Cirt (talk) 08:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Keep. Now I've changed to Keep, per license permission given by User:Jimbo Wales at: Yes. I hereby license the above-referenced talk (Wikimania 2014) under CC-BY-SA-3.0. -- Cirt (talk) 08:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
•  Keep now per Cirt. And thanks Cirt for your efforts. :) (Note: The licences of the files mentioned above need to be changed to reflect the license granted by Jimmy.) Jee 08:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Changed the licenses at the two file pages linked above. -- Cirt (talk) 08:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• Nomination withdrawn In light of the permission now given by Jimmy I am withdrawing the nomination. Why Jimmy has to act like an arrogant, pompous ass is beyond me. A simple response to the questions here on Commons would have been enough. I've had a gutful of his childish way. Grow up Jimmy. russavia (talk) 13:59, 19 October 2014 (UTC)