Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives October 16 2020

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Consensual review[edit]

File:Skulptur_"Searching_for_Utopia",_Jan_Fabre,_Nieuwpoort_(Belgium)_new_uploaded.jpg[edit]

  •  Comment I'm not saying that the lighting conditions or your camera is bad, but that part of the image (gold shimmer in the sun) is overexposed (or "blown"). I don't know if you know what it means so I will describe it here: once a digital camera sensor captures the maximum amount of light it can accumulate (eg 1.000 when the range is between 0 and 1), then it is saturated and there is no information left other than the area has maximum brightness. If you look closely then you will see that the area in question has one identical color, instead of a subtle gradient, which even bright white clouds and reflective surfaces should show. You can always avoid that with different settings on your camera, faster exposure time or smaller aperture to let less light in, because the opposite doesn't clip (areas that are very dark will have a values like 0.05,0.04,0.06 which are different values that can be increased in software, albeit at the cost of noise). Capturing an image with darker settings and fixing the lighting in software is often necessary when you have large differences between the shadows and highlights. You might find your image prettier than the one I took on a rainy day, but this assessment is about technical quality, and overexposure (or lack thereof in favor of that subtle gradient) is a technical requirement, especially when it's on the subject. --Trougnouf 08:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - @Trougnouf : I trust my eyes and don't count megapixels; other users seem to trust my eyes too. You don't have to submit every photo, that has been post-processed via software due to bad weather conditions, for the QI candidacy. --Gordito1869 08:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I don't see how criticizing my QI / work on non-technical criteria is relevant here, though you are welcome to provide your input when I submit images. If you don't see a value in post-processing then I'm afraid that many of your shots will not meet the COM:Image guidelines required for QI. Development / post-processing is most of the work that's required to meet these. I find that ideal lighting (golden hour) requires much more work than a cloudy picture like the one you pointed out (where there are no harsh lights). My lengthy response was meant to be helpful; most of what you can get out of this community is learning improved skills, and I wrote it out to save you some googling because you didn't seem to understand what "overexposed"/"blown" meant after a similar picture was rejected here. --Trougnouf 10:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Skulptur_"Umbra"_in_Ostende_(Oostende_Belgien)_von_Herlinde_Seynaeve_09-2020.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Sculpture "Umbra", Herlinde Seynaeve, Ostend (Belgium). --Gordito1869 16:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality. --Tesla 17:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose Too low detail. Perhaps too hardly de-noised. --Augustgeyler 08:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support --Moroder 08:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support Good enough. --Smial 10:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler 11:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Newly_made_nail_02.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination A nail just forged on the anvil --Kritzolina 11:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Insufficient quality: out of focus. --Peulle 13:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support I disagree. Focus and sharpness seems fine to me --MB-one 20:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Not in focus --Jakubhal 04:02, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support per MB-one. "Good enough". --Smial 18:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose Interesting scene, well composed. But DOF is very small. Bit too small in my eyes. --Augustgeyler 07:15, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Augustgeyler 09:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Vergine_e_San_Girolamo_Emiliani_Andrea_Celesti_Duomo_di_Salò.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Painting of the Virgin which appears to Saint Gerolamo Emiliani. --Moroder 10:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support according possition of the camera is ok --Ezarate 21:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose There is no clear decision about what to show. If it's about the painting or the room? If it is about the painting the perspective is inadequate. --Augustgeyler 07:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment I corrected the perspective on the left right (sorry, I'm a physician ;-). Thanks for the hint. The decision was a painting in a room ;-) --Moroder 11:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support High-quality. -- Ikan Kekek 06:29, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: Apart from the unnatural perspective, which makes the picture appear wider at the top than below, one question: Do you have the impression that the photo reproduces the colors of the painting even reasonably correctly? -- Spurzem 08:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment You have a pattern of asking me to justify votes others have made before me. Challenge Ezarate, instead. Meanwhile, you haven't voted. If you have a reason to think the colors are wrong, you know what to do. I see your point about the perspective but won't oppose or abstain on that basis. But you can. -- Ikan Kekek 14:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: I thought you could answer my question better; that's why I asked you. I will only vote here in exceptional cases and instead only ask on a case-by-case basis. Anyone can probably easily guess the reasons for this. -- Spurzem 20:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, I haven't noticed any reason to believe the colors are wrong. Ikan Kekek 02:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose Sharp enough, difficult to take. But I don't like the crop on the left high side. Sebring12Hrs (talk) 10:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support The painting looks good and sharp to me. I agree with Sebring12Hrs with the crop; I would try a less tight crop on the left high frame, if possible, although it's not crucial. --Lion-hearted85 12:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler (talk) 20:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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  • Nomination --Ввласенко 08:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality. --Aristeas 09:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Conditional oppose -- if he is really a member of the European Parliament, certainly there must be a way to identify him? Please. --A.Savin 14:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Categories/description. As it is, this is just a man sitting on a bench. If he's described as a member of the parliament, he should be identified.--Peulle 06:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  • ✓ Done - I changed the name of the image ("In the courtyard of the European Parliament") and the category. -- Ввласенко 08:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support GQ --Palauenc05 10:52, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support -- Spurzem 11:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment If the guy is not identified by the end of this review, I'll have to nominate the picture for deletion. Either this is really a Parliament member, but then, as evidence, he should be identified and placed into the corresponding category. Or this is actually a non-notable staff or otherwise a non-public person; in this case, the picture is likely a Personality rights' violation, as the consent for taking and distributing the picture is not obvious and, most likely, never asked for (looks like sort of "hidden camera" capture). Thanks --A.Savin 11:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment. I did not ask for permission to shoot as the object was located in a public space, a very popular tourist destination. -- Ввласенко 13:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  • It's not an object, it's a human and it has Personality rights. --A.Savin 15:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support It's illegal to shoot a photo of someone sitting on a public bench in Europe unless you ask for their permission? Meanwhile, good quality. -- Ikan Kekek 09:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment It not illegal to take that picture, but to publish it. --Augustgeyler 10:00, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Question So there's really a presumption of privacy in public places? That's weird to me. -- Ikan Kekek 11:00, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • There is, yes. It has been established through court cases between paparazzi photographers and celebrities. Although it may vary somewhat from country to country, here is the general idea: Anybody can photograph a public place, so if you walk down the street and somebody takes a photo of the street with you in it, you cannot expect to refuse them the right to do this. However, if the person is the main subject of the photo (rather than the surroundings such as the street), the privacy clause comes into play. Famous people in connection with participation in public events are usually excempt. In this case, the person is clearly the main subject of the image, but seeing as the person is not identified, personality rights could be an issue. If, for instance, this man objects to this image's presence on Commons, it will have to be deleted.--Peulle 12:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Exactly. If he is EP member -- all is fine (public person), but please identify him. If not -- consent for public upload of such a photo required. Thanks --A.Savin 13:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I see. Thanks for the explanation, Peulle and Alexander. -- Ikan Kekek 20:25, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I agree with A.Savin. If we can't proof he is a public person, the image can not be promoted.--Augustgeyler 21:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment In whose option? Please sign your comments. --Aristeas 14:35, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ввласенко: Thank you ;–). — I am with you in this case, both photos are IMHO nice examples of artistic street photography which has always been done without consent; but our world is ruled by professional politicians and lawyers, therefore these are IMHO very hard times for street photography, and I see no good chance to keep such photos, sorry … Only when you become very very prominent as a street photographer even lawyers will recognize that your work is not a crime, but street photography ;–). It’s a pity, but this is the era of lawyers, not of artists. --Aristeas 09:02, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose As there is still no proof if this man is a public person I have to oppose. --Augustgeyler 06:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose with Augustgeyler--Tesla 09:54, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment I've reluctantly pulled my supporting vote. If the photo is illegal to publish and that could cause some kind of legal trouble, we can't promote it and it should be nominated for deletion, instead. -- Ikan Kekek 19:27, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose per others, personality rights should be clear in this case --PantheraLeo1359531 19:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 5 oppose → Declined   --Augustgeyler 20:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Iglesia_de_San_Pedro,_Viena,_Austria,_2020-01-31,_DD_07.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination St. Peter's Church, Vienna, Austria --Poco a poco 07:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality. --Jacek Halicki 07:52, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose The picture with the dust cover in front of the Napapijri facade and the crane boom may be someday historically interesting. But the main motif mentioned in the image description is too distorted. In addition, you shouldn't want to take quality pictures of architecture on a rainy day. The white sky is not a quality sky. Maybe we hear other voices about it. --Spurzem 11:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose It is not about the weather conditions, but I am with Spurzem in terms of distortion. Especially the right part of the church shows too much perspective distortion.--Augustgeyler 07:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Per Spurzem. --Kallerna 20:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment Augustgeyler, Kallerna There is a ✓ new version, no crane, no distortion. Taking picture with bad weather, which is very likely in countries like this, is a blessing because there is almost nobody around --Poco a poco 22:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC) Pinging Poco a poco 18:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment The distortion changed. The image improved. But I am wondering about that blue traffic sign. Did you compress this part vertically or is this natural deformation by the lens? --Augustgeyler 21:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • For this kind of questions we have the file history where you can realize that that sign always looked the way it looks now. I applied an aspect ratio change. My last version. --Poco a poco 21:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support The sky is a bit annoying, but that's not the photographer's fault. If this were FPC, I could easily reject the photo because of the light, but I consider this good quality here, as it looks pretty good at 80% at close range. -- Ikan Kekek 11:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support Ikan has put it very well. --Aristeas 12:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support per Ikan. --Vincent60030 10:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support The composition is a lot cleaner with the crane removed, and the main subject is more focused in the frame. With the last edits, the church looks better to me. --Lion-hearted85 12:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment @Poco a poco: please add the "retouched picture" template to the file information page, to say that the image has been manipulated to remove a crane. --Bobulous 18:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support IMO OK for QI. And it is not neccessary to add the retouched picture template, because the crane is not a fixed part of the composition. --XRay 18:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 5 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler 20:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Zingzing_Bar_Suraj_Tal_Himachal_Jul19_D72_10907.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Looking from Suraj Tal down to Zingzing Bar, Himachal. Elev. 4,050m (13,287') --Tagooty 08:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality. --Augustgeyler 08:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I disagree. Dust spots, snow seems to be blown --Podzemnik 06:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Podzemnik: ✓ Done New version with dust spots removed, exposure reduced for snow, sharpening for detail in rocks. --Tagooty 10:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Weak support Lacks a little detail, but good composition an dust removed.--Tesla 10:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support This is IMO better technically than the other one and sharp enough. --Ikan Kekek 14:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support Nice composition. The new version has improved for me, too. --Lion-hearted85 12:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Total: 4 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Peulle 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)