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File:Gyps fulvus at zoo Salzburg-0001.jpg, featured[edit]
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 26 Jan 2010 at 15:37:42 (UTC)
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- Info created by User:MatthiasKabel - uploaded by User:MatthiasKabel - nominated by User:MatthiasKabel Pretty sharp, nice colors, fine resolution, no distracting background. Three versions from one raw-file and exposure blend from gimp.-- MatthiasKabel (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Abstain as author -- MatthiasKabel (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment A great picture and I´ll love to support, but I have a question beforehand: To me, it looks as if you blurred the foreground (and background?), whereas the animal has had a heavy share of sharpening, which creates a hard visual contrast. Do you think a version with a bit less strong / obvious postprocessing would be possible? Nevertheless I really like your image (lighting, posture of the bird)! Nikopol (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- I used a very fine sharpening for the feathers, and I blurred the background to avoid unnecessary noise in the dark background which would increase the file size without any informnation. But there is no blurring to avoid any structures in the background.. This from the lens (300 mm plus 2x extender, resulting a 600 mm lens on a fullframe sensor, so a very narrow depth of focus. You can see that in the bird itself, the "farest" parts of it start to blurr also. But I would be able to produce a version as you described. I will wait for further comments. (Hope you can understand my english) MatthiasKabel (talk) 16:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Very good image, but I agree with Nikopol. Currently there are e.g. noise drops falling from the mouth against the very smooth background. :-) --MattiPaavola (talk) 16:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- No noise drops anymore, thanks! --MattiPaavola (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Aqwis (talk) 17:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Info I've uploaded a version which muc less blurred in the background and has no blurring in the foreground. I think this picture needs a little blurring in the background otherwise you are able to see the structure of the camera sensor. MatthiasKabel (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support Much better without blur. It looks more natural now. --Lošmi (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
OpposeNice bird, although the pose covers up a fair bit of the shape. Processing artifacts are still too obvious. The line between head and background is spotty on one side and smooth on the other (if you really want to do this differential processing, perhaps you need to blend it at the edges). The leaves below are too noisy (sharpened noise?). --99of9 (talk) 09:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)OpposePer 99of9, but I´ll support if you manage a denoised foreground and work a little on the edges. Is it possible you sharpened all of the picture and then blurred the background? I would suggest sharpening only the bird with help of a mask and selectively denoising fore/background. Nikopol (talk) 12:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)- Info Thanks for the tips. So I tried to follow them and made an new approach Created a version with only a small amount of noise reduction and a version with the old sharpening. (Each version from three different aperture levels from the raw file.) Blended these versions with a smaller blending on the left side an a wider on the feathers at neck an head. Blending was done with individual pencil strokes on a mask not with a fixed radius to prevent the contours of the feathers as far as possible. Smoothed the beak, reduced the colors a little bit. MatthiasKabel (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The leaves are greatly improved. The whole image now has normal-looking noise, so I think your noise-reduction is now too small :), but am willing to overlook this given the high-res file size. I've struck my oppose, and will change it to a support when you clone out the dust spot I've marked. 99of9 (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- I've marked another dust spot for now. Just reviewing it 1:1. There is also some fringing of some sort on the right hand side of the bird? --Herby talk thyme 13:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- I´ve also struck my oppose, it´s much more natural-looking now. IMO noise is OK, and if you look into the things mentioned by 99of9 / Herby, I´ll support too. Nikopol (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support Thank you for fixing the rest. Nikopol (talk) 01:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Michael Gäbler (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Brackenheim (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Nice work. I notice a few processing artifacts on the edge between bird and background, but it is nothing serious. I guess that all the editing and blending, the EXIF has gone as well? Would it be possible for you to add manually some details about camera setting, lens used, and postprocessing steps on the image page? I realize quite some details are given here, but this page is not the natural place for reusers/interested users to look for it. Thanks. --Slaunger (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Info Removed the dust spots and added the exif-data. MatthiasKabel (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support Thanks for working so hard on resolving the issues with this unique photo. I have no further objections. --Slaunger (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Good resolution although noisy in places. It looks like the photograph was taken from below the captive vulture, and I think the view should be better for a FP. Snowmanradio (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The image description was disappointing for a scientific illustration, so I have put in some more details in the image description to help to bring the associated documentation to this file up to a basic standard. Snowmanradio (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I had to correct one point of your corrections ;-) Yes, the photo was below of the bird, which is the natural point of view for an human watching a bird on a tree. There are some other pictures of these vultures from different point if view, perhaps also better for scientific purposes, but not such good colors as this picture. Gyps_fulvus_at_zoo_Salzburg-0002.jpg - Gyps_fulvus_at_zoo_Salzburg-0015.jpg MatthiasKabel (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately humans on the ground do not get a good view of birds that are perching high in trees. Snowmanradio (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 6 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /George Chernilevsky talk 17:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Birds