File talk:Freedom of Panorama in Europe.svg

Montenegro

Montenegro should be changed to red because FoP is not allowed in Montenegro according to new law. (See: COM:CRT/Montenegro#Freedom_of_panorama) --Smooth_O (talk) 14:40, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Eleassar ^(t/p) 09:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Malta

Malta has been removed from the list of countries marked as unknown in the legend, with the comment that the country doesn't appear on the map. Malta does appear on the map, as unknown: it's the group of tiny islands south of Sicily. I know they can't be seen very well, but for the sake of completeness the map and its legend should be take into account that Malta has freedom of panorama. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Holland

Why is part of Holland light green (indicating buildings only), when the rest of the country allows buildings and public interiours? -Mardus (talk) 01:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not. The map this image was based on just displays lakes and other bodies of water in a lighter shade. See for example Lake Ladoga near St. Petersburg. —Quibik (talk) 12:55, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Andorra

Andorra should be marked as non-FOP country.--Pere prlpz (talk) 13:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea

De facto territory of the Russian Federation and under russian laws. Therefore should be marked in the same color as RUS. --NukeOperator (留言) 20:57, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

 反对, it's not recognised by most of the international community. --Túrelio (留言) 21:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

We are talking about copyright. From a legal point of view Crimea is part of Ukraine.— Redboston 22:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility for colour blind people

The use of red and green make this illustration useless for those of us with colour blindness. Would the creator(s) consider revising the colours using the palette in Commons:Creating accessible illustrations please -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Sweden

Inspired by File_talk:Freedom_of_Panorama_in_Europe_NC.svg#Sweden and COM:CRT/Sweden#Freedom of panorama I flipped #se from dark-green to red (as in #it), could somebody please fix the two lakes in Sweden? Wrt a better palette for colour-blind users, it should be relatively easy to modify this in a text editor. Be..anyone (留言) 18:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

@Gazebo: update, now gray (tnx), but still two lakes with FoP. –Be..anyone 💩 10:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Be..anyone: Note that the current situation of this topic might be again conflicting, see Commons talk:Copyright rules by territory/Sweden. --Liuxinyu970226 (留言) 03:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Implicit subjective views inherent in the used wording

The legenda (discription) that goes with the file, states "OK", "OK, including...", "Not OK" etc.

This use of language seems hardly objective. It stresses a the authors' desire that 'freedom of panorama' should be imposed everywhere. Although this might be a majority view (carried out by Wikimedia itself e.g.), it is not to be excluded that many have a more moderate or even negative view with regard to this copyright exception.

I would therefore suggest to change the used language to something more neutral, e.g. "(Panorama) exception applies" or "Law provides for freedom of panorama", resp. "Exception applies, including...", "No panorama exception applies" etc... — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 157.193.209.178 (talk) 06:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

You seem to be missing the context of this image and the legend: all it is saying is whether X kind of image can be allowed to exist on Commons or not considering the particular legislation of each country. It is not making a statement about the Freedom of Panorama in general. —Quibik (留言) 17:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Belgium

According to COM:CRT/Belgium#Freedom_of_panorama, the FOP in Belgium does not cover public interiors (like museums). The map should be modified accordingly. BrightRaven (留言) 16:29, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done —Quibik (留言) 17:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

France

According to en:Freedom of Panorama, French law allows for pictures of Buildings and Exterior works of arts, albeit with no possibility of commercial use. Shouldn't we change the colour of the country ?217.167.255.177 09:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@217.167.255.177: no change in color. Commons doesn't accept noncommercial files. Images should be able to be reused in commercial media like stamps and post cards as much as possible. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 13:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

The Netherlands

The situation in the Netherlands seems to be identical to the situation in Belgium. In Belgium, "public spaces" where FOP is applicable include train stations and exclude museum, just like in the Netherlands. There are probably legal subtleties that make the situation in every country slightly different from the others, so each country could be in a different colour. Nevertheless, I would suggest to paint the Netherlands in light green, because a map can only show the general situtation, not the fine details. BrightRaven (留言) 16:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Colours do not correspond with legenda

The current colours used no longer correspond with the legenda. Also: the Netherlands is named speratly, but is nog longer coloured seperatly. Dqfn13 (留言) 20:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Colorblind-friendly colors

@Amitchell125: Hi. Thank you for trying to improve this map. First of all there are more places with a legend. E.g. the legend on Commons:Freedom of panorama will need to be changed. Secondly I disagree with the specific choice of colors. If dark green is converted to dark teal, then light green should become light teal, right? Otherwise the map becomes a lot less intuitive to read. TilmannR (留言) 17:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

And the legend currently says Crimea [is] marked as "Inconclusive or unknown". Unless there's broad consensus that Russian laws apply in Crimea, I don't think it's correct to color it like you did. TilmannR (留言) 17:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I will add to some contention too. The color for no-FOP countries became "milder" instead of strong colors that give some warning and attention. The yes-FOP countries of Germany, Hungary, Poland, Belgium et cetera were given stronger colors. Isn't that contradictory and confusing? Such confusion can send wrong message to people that the milder colors of no-FOP countries mean they are now "OK". JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Austria

"OK including public interiors" is not correct, see COM:FOP Austria. This should be just "OK". There is an exception "for works, which themselves are components of the structure, including windows in churches and such", but I don't think that can be shown in the map. --Rosenzweig τ 20:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

"windows in churches" is a big difference to, for example, Germany and Switzerland, though... Gestumblindi (留言) 20:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

It's a different category: Buildings and their parts (like windows) are covered by FOP if photographed indoors as well as outdoors. But not sculptures, statues etc. inside buildings. I don't think it fits in any of the current categories. --Rosenzweig τ 20:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rosenzweig I agree that Austria should be colored light green similar to Germany et cetera. Users have confused the map as interpreting the allowance of free uses of copyrighted indoor sculptures, murals etc. in Austria. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

None of the currently available colors seems to cover the specific Austrian situation. In the light green countries such as Germany, FoP doesn't cover indoors components of a structure - interior architecture or church windows. So, we delete images of modern church windows in Germany. But apparently, as long as the works are "components of the structure", in Austria it's fine, so we can host indoor images of modern architecture (but not sculptures, paintings...) from Austria. How to reflect this? Gestumblindi (留言) 18:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

To reflect this, we would need a new category + color. --Rosenzweig τ 19:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rosenzweig this will also affect both File:Freedom of Panorama world map.svg (which it was derived) and File:Freedom of panorama in Southeast Asia.svg (which is derived from the world map). Also, the color-blind claims by some users like @Ich: here need to be addressed before adding more colors.

I also suggest adding a color which is dark green with red horizontal lines for UK, India, Singapore, HK and other countries where 2D FOP is not granted. Similar case for North Macedonia (light green+red). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 22:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)