User talk:Hdamm/Archives/2009/August
Prasat Tao Thong, Wat Dhammachaksemaram, Prasat ta Muen
[edit]Prasat Tao Thong (14°36'06.0"N 103°43'88.7"E) was a -probably minor- prasat. Not much is left of it,and now there is a buddhist temple standing on its ground, with a Buddha statue and a turtle, hence the name of Prasat of the golden turtle. I will include it in the french Wikipedia just to be exhaustive. I discovered it by accident, going to another prasat, seing a signal mentioning it. Wat Dhammachaksemaram (14°54.992N 101°47.638E) or Dhamma Chakra Sema Ram is also known as Wat Phra Non. Along with the Dvaravati Buddah (that was found at Mueang Sema), several law wheels (pictures to be published) give its name to this temple. Once again, I have a picture of the signal at the entrance (inthai). Tell me where I can send it.
Could this be Prasat Ta Muean Tot? Or maybe Prasat Ta Muean Thom?? Please specify (note the spelling muean according to Royal Thai General System of Transcription). --hdamm (talk) 11:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Neither! Prasat Ta Muen (14°21'32.9"N 103°15'50.6"E), Prasat Ta Muen Thom and Prasat Ta Muen Toch are three different prasat (please refer to the books by Michael Freeman and/or Vittorio Roveda). They are distant of a few hundred meters from each other, and located on the same road going to and close to the cambodian border. I took some pictures of the panels at the entrance of each prasat. At what address can I send them? As for the spelling, since I cannot read thai, I rely on the experts (of khmer art, not translitteration), so feel free to correct my mistakes. Thanks again for your -much appreciated- help.
Dom (talk) 17:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hello Dom. Thanks for the GeoRefs. I will check them soon. As for the TAT-panels/signposts (TAT=TouristAuthorityThailand): you could publish them here at Commons within the corresponding categories (maybe with a lower resolution). As I do not speak enough French to read your French articles, it could be a small help to get some info about the temples - not just for me.
- I think, you mentioned the book/the books(?) by Michael Freeman or Vittorio Roveda already somewhere here. I think, I need to buy them myself. Could you please post the title/ISBN etc. again here? Thank you. --hdamm (talk) 08:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Heinrich.
- Here are the references
- Michael Freeman, A guide to Khmer temples in Thailand & Laos, Rivers Books, 1996 (ISBN 974-8900-76-2) (can still be found maybe as second hand, a new edition was planned sometime ago)
- Michael Freeman, Palaces of the Gods: Khmer Art & Architecture in Thailand, River Books, 2001 (ISBN 974-8303-19-5)
- Vittorio Roveda, Images of the gods: khmer mythology in Cambodia, Thailand and Laos, River Books, 2005 (ISBN 974-9863-03-8)
- Hi Heinrich.
- As you suggest, I will upload low resolution pictures of the thai panels at the entrance of the few prasat we are discussing about. I was hesitating to do this as they are of little interest to most people.
- The new categories I created are for articles to be published, hence the -very- limited info. My methodology is as follows: 1) create the wikimedia categories 2) updload panoramas 3) upload choice of pictures 4) create article structure (including position, deities, dates, references, etc...) in the French Wikipedia 5)put some "meat" around the article skeleton 6)Finalize the article.
- Take care
- Dom (talk) 09:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the book listings. I tried to find Freeman's "Guide to Khmer temples" at several used-books-stores, but I found only one offer (Amazon.com!) for 398 US$!!!! I don't think I'll buy that one, but I'll keep looking ;-)
- I own the "Palaces of the Gods" already, but there are only the "big ones" in it. Anyhow, I like Freeman's photos.
- I own also: Vittori Roveda: Khmer Mythology - Secrets of Angkor, 1998 at Weatherhill. In the cover text it says also, that there was a RiverBooks edition in 1997. Maybe this is the book you were talking about? There is only the title page at GoogleBooks. My volume has about 176 pages and covers apart from an "Introduction": "Myths and Legend" and "Index of Locations", the last one being about "Bakong", "Banteay Srei", "Bapuon" and so on.
- I think, there is nothing to object, if you upload those low resolution pics of the thai panels ... if they're readable, like those two links above (BTW: the fist blue one is not from TAT but the Thai Department of Fine Arts - see the Ganesha in the upper left corner?). You know, if you look at all those pictures about Thailand, that so many people uploaded to Commons: there is really a lot of garbage, and nobody cares. So I think, if only just one person gets some additional information from it (me!) than an upload is justified.
- Also nothing to object to your "methodology". One suggestion though: if you finished an article in French Wikipedia, maybe you could add an Interwiki-Link in the Commons category, or link it in the category-description - see for instance here.
- --hdamm (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. While you cannot find no information at all about "Wat Dhammachaksemaram" there are literally thousands of links in the Thai world when you search for "วัดธรรมจักรเสมาราม". See also my edits in Category:Wat Dhammachaksemaram. Thank you. --hdamm (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Heinrich
- Freeman's book will be reprinted in September
- Roveda's book is this one:
- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Images-Gods-Mythology-Cambodia-Thailand/dp/9749863038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249930427&sr=8-1
- Take care