User talk:Vergiotisa

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Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Vergiotisa!

-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Your editions on Republic of Macedonia\FYROM images[edit]

Please keep the retoric of Greece/FYROM/Macedonia out of commons, your and the others nationalistics view. Tm (talk) 21:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC) ~

I dont care the name that this state has. In Commons there isnt NPOV, so if a file as named FYROM it stays FYROM and if it is named Republic of Macedonia it stays Republic of Macedonia. Being that said if you dont stop with your vandalism and POV pushing editions, i will report you to Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. Tm (talk) 21:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Please keep the rhetoric of nationalistic FYROM views out of commons. International recognized name for the Former YUGOSLAV Republic by the UN is FYROM. Ethnic is an oxymoron and is factually incorrect. As for file names they are DIFFERENT to DESCRIPTION and when you use an national copyrighted symbol of Greece I do not care what you name your file the description will include the NATIONAL COPYRIGHT symbol of GREECE. Vergiotisa (talk) 30 December 2013 (UTC)

The argead star copyrighted by the greek state??? Right, a simbol, with more than 2000 years, from the classical greece is copyrighted by the modern greek state, when the EU says that copyright lapses after 70 years. Also dont POV push. Tm (talk) 04:38, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
And as i already sayed dont care about the dispute about the name of Macedonia, its historical implementations, its modern applications and the question with greece and former yoguslavian republic, that is called in English Wikipedia the Republic of Macedonia. If you want to name your files about this said republic as FYROM is fine but dont try to push your POV to others peoples files. Tm (talk) 04:43, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

You are no more aware of the legality of the issue than you are of the purpose of wikipedia. No sir this is not about "other peoples files" because when they enter wikipedia they are for the benefit of the public and then it is about accuracy and when a copyrighted symbol (and it is a copyrighted NATIONAL symbol is being misused I am positive wikipedia is interested. Should you continue this ridiculous game of undo then I will be forced to take it further within wikipedia with the violation to Article 6ter of the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property which Marks: Prohibitions concerning State Emblems, Official Hallmarks, and Emblems of Intergovernmental Organizations. This is not your personal playground. Vergiotisa (talk) 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead. I am perfectly aware of this case and in thiscase this was and is a case about trademark, not copyright and in case you didnt knew national symbols arent copyrighted. If you dont know the diference, and dont know Commons and Wikipedias policies, please stop this nationalistic POV pushing. Tm (talk) 05:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

These are facts whether you think you are educated to them or not. The only thing nationalistic here is coming from a nation who fudges the reality of the international usage and law of a protected identity to create illusions through propaganda and their lackeys who pretend to be foreigners in order to make sure the propaganda is not attacked in any way. Since you adopt that POV that defends nationalist propaganda then you Sir are a propagandist and are not acting in the best interest of wikipedia. I will most certainly, "go ahead". Good day to you... Vergiotisa (talk) 30 December 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked for a duration of one day[edit]

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You have been blocked from editing Commons for a duration of one day for the following reason: edit warring on File:Flag map of Macedonia with Vergina Sun.svg. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may do so after the block expires. See block log.

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You were blocked because you engaged in an edit war. Whether or not you are correct ("consideration of the facts") is irrelevant; the issue is to be discussed or brought to third parties, not warred over. Do not remove block templates. Эlcobbola talk 16:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Then why didn't you block the one who began the edit war? Instead you blocked the person with the legitimate claim? you are corrupt.--Vergiotisa (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

If you continue to make personal attacks your talk page access will be revoked. Эlcobbola talk 16:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I apologise I didnt mean to make it personal. As I am new to wiki I would really appreciate if you could educate me. How can a correct, unrelated and independent nomination from any prior nominations, with all the relevant copyright information attached be considered warring and not the one who reverted the nomination without reason? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks --Vergiotisa (talk) 16:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok I got it through my own research. It's not that I am wrong I got penalized because being new I didn't realize that their was a proper protocol of discussing it on the talk page. I just rushed into taking the moral high ground. I wont be making that mistake again.I apologize for the inconvenience --Vergiotisa (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

(ec) Please see w:Wikipedia:Edit warring for a detailed explanation of the concept. Three separate editors undid your edit ([2], [3], [4]). That you continued to reinstate the edit unilaterally is disruptive; it doesn't matter who is "correct" (by the way Article 6ter "is only applicable to trademarks". Copyright is not mentioned once. Commons is not concerned with trademarks, see COM:NCR). I am willing to unblock you if you resolve not to continue to edit war and not to engage in future personal attacks (which includes calling editors vandals). Эlcobbola talk 17:03, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed and thanks. I will continue to learn how to navigate properly because I want to contribute not to hinder. Thanks again for your help --Vergiotisa (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

BTW you are incorrect that it mentions nothing of copyright. There is also this information on the users discussion page which you did not mention 16 Ray Vergina Sun Greece Copyright Regards --Vergiotisa (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

The page I linked does not contain the word "copyright" once and explicitly says "The purpose of Article 6ter is to prohibit the registration and use of trademarks which are identical to, or present a certain similarity with the above–mentioned emblems or official signs." That page you link, and the actual file also say nothing of copyright. Эlcobbola talk 17:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Nope that is incorrect. It is the WIPO (World Intellectual Property) listing. It was the reason why the FYROM was not allowed its use on its flag and why it was upheld by the International Court of Justice a few years ago and the transcript is easy to find. FYROM like Greece is a treaty member of the Paris Convention for the protection of industrial property (state emblems) and thus bound to honor copyright. In any case this is not the place to discuss this. I sincerely thank you for your help and for unblocking me. I will continue to learn so that I may help improve wikipedia. Thanks again. --Vergiotisa (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your message. Please note that {{Copyvio}} is only for obvious copyright violation cases, so please do not tag any more files that do not fit this criterion (it is useless because you will not get the files deleted this way). Best regards, BrightRaven (talk) 14:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Please Advise[edit]

Hi BrightRaven. Firstly thank you for your advice on {{Copyvio}}. In my opinion it is more than obvious but ok I am willing to concede until I understand commons better. You mentioned that deleting it in this way is useless. Could you please guide me as to how to go about this as it is in fact a violation of copyright contrary to the misinformed posts on the talk page. I am new to wiki and am trying my best to learn. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance --Vergiotisa (talk) 09:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)