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Nipper[edit]

Hi Pigsonthewing,
More stuff:
Source: Postcard
Date:1907 or after
Author: Unknown
This is almost certainly a shot to publicise their new purchase of this loco. “In 1907, the park management decided to try out a miniature railway and brought in "Nipper" a 10¼" gauge loco.[1]. This image could also go in one or more Category:Postcards. --P.g.champion (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Problem_with_microformats_in_artwork_template[edit]

Andy, You had some concerns at Template_talk:Artwork#Problem_with_microformats_in_artwork_template. Can you help me figure out what microformating should be added by various templates? --Jarekt (talk) 15:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Polygala chamaebuxus var Grandiflora .jpg[edit]

Could I ask for the filename you wanted? The name you wanted and the filename was the same so I removed the notice. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 18:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

As I noted in the template, which I've restored, a rename would "loose space; decap" - there is an extraneous space between the final letter and the period; and "grandiflora" should not be capitalised. Andy Mabbett (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah, the only thing template describes is "Looks like this image was renamed already, please remove the rename template.". Renamed. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 20:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Issue with coin images[edit]

Please see my statement at your VP thread 'How eBay could help Wikimedia Commons get more open-licensed images' as soon as possible. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Majorca beetle[edit]

I think this is Chalcophora sp. maybe mariana but there are several Chalcophora sp. in the Balearics Certainly it's Buprestidae. Notafly (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Walsall wall advertisement.jpg[edit]

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File:Barbers Teas, Always Please, Brookvale Road, Birmingham.jpg[edit]

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Filemover[edit]

I've given you the filemover right. INeverCry 16:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

RfA[edit]

I think Russavia and Odder had it right. There is no question that you could be a competent Commons Admin, just that you don't have enough experience here. Two months or so, with a record of intelligent comments on DRs, and given your record on WP, it will be an easy election. Lest you think that is just make work, please remember that we delete around 2,000 pages every day -- yesterday's DR list had 250+ entries. A good comment from a known user can make it much easier for the closing Admin to reach a decision. .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Svenska syndabockar[edit]

Hi! I'm helping the artist Markus Andersson to upload pictures of his paintings to Wikimedia. He has sent an email releasing the pictures under an appropriate license and received a response from you. I started out by uploading the file Svenska syndabockar.jpg. I have never done this before and would therefore be very grateful if you could check if everything is in order, or if I should do something differently next time. The ticket number I have received is [Ticket#2012111410011543]. Artfreak4567 (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Your upload looks good. Please reply to the email, with the URL of each of the images, Andy Mabbett (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi again. I am having difficulties with my upload of this picture and a couple of others by the same artist, released in the email I mentioned above. It is now being called into question if an email has actually been sent by the artist. He has already granted permission and if possible I would like to avoid bothering him again about sending another email. Do you have time to take another look at this? It would be greatly appreciated. Artfreak4567 (talk) 10:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
There's not much I can do; you need to discuss with whoever's raised that concern. Andy Mabbett (talk) 13:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Would it not be possible for you to take a look at the copyright owner's email of 14 November 2012 (filed as Ticket#2012111410011543) and mark the uploads Det sista vittnet.jpg, Jämlikhet.jpg, Kaj med barnbarn.jpg, Katharsis.jpg, Vrede mot gudarna.jpg and Svenska syndabockar.jpg as having been released under an appropriate license? (You responded to that email shortly after it was sent.) Artfreak4567 (talk) 15:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

File tagging File:Dave Winer voice.ogg[edit]

{{Autotranslate|1=File:Dave Winer voice.ogg|base=Noticket}} Denniss (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

ticket:2012102510011695 was in another user's OTRS mailbox. Andy Mabbett (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

User cat[edit]

Hi Andy, as mentioned by email, I am slowly populating Category:Images by Andy Mabbett by sweeping up files with your name in the author field. Drop me a note if there are types of upload that my search is missing (Google Chat can be a good way of contacting me on technical stuff - it cannot be lost in the aether, unlike IRC). I rarely update my local Commons dump, which is now just over a month old, so if a large number of recent uploads are being missed, it might need to run again after I have had a refresh at some point. Cheers -- (talk) 07:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

That's great; many thanks. Andy Mabbett (talk) 12:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

File source is not properly indicated: File:Hull and Humber Estuary 2013-03.jpg[edit]

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Hi!

Please do not provide direct links on images. PD-NASA cannot be verified with the source you have pasted. Regards. --High Contrast (talk) 22:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

What is that supposed to mean? Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Do not link direcly on the .jpg file but on on the .html site. Same problem with the following files:

--High Contrast (talk) 22:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Nope, that still makes no sense. Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Bsr --High Contrast (talk) 22:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
That's a link to a template. Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Wow! Now read. --High Contrast (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
If you can't intelligently and coherently explain your point, without issuing commands, please don't post here again. Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Mabbett, sorry that I am no native speaker but you should also try to think a little bit. What is the source of those images in question? You must provvide a clear source that can proof that this image is really a NASA image. A direct link to this jpg cannot verify this. --High Contrast (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
So now you accuse me of not thinking. You are rude, as well as unhelpful. Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Is it rude to ask for clarification? You are constantly refuse to cooperate. --High Contrast (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Where did I say you were "rude to ask for clarification"? And no, I have refused no such thing. Stop posting here until you have learned some manners. Andy Mabbett (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
You accuse him of not being helpful. That is also rude, isn't it? --McZusatz (talk) 23:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
No. Andy Mabbett (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Do what you want, Mabbett. I won't waste any time on this thing. Revert those no-source-tags. Good bye, High Contrast (talk) 23:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


Andy, let me clarify. For those images, you are only linking directly to the JPG file as the source. He is asking that you link instead to the tweet that he posts, so that it can be verified by others. I would suggest something like this, using the Hull and Humber Estuary image as an example:

  • |source= https://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/311868006508666880 ([https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFP6TLFCIAEWRYs.jpg:large direct link])

Also, please note that you are uploading the lower resolution version of the images. Make sure you click on the image in the tweet for a larger file (you'll see the ":large" bit appended to the URL)...I've gone ahead and cleaned up the Hull image. Let me know if there are any questions (and yes, an OTRS filing would be great for those that don't believe). Huntster (t @ c) 03:47, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying; and for doing so without insulting me. I use a Twitter client and do not usually visit twitter.com; and my client does not show me the higher resolution image which you have found. Andy Mabbett (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


Category:Views from the International Space Station[edit]

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Wind tunnels[edit]

Hi, you've got me going now on wind tunnels. I have made some new cats there, reflecting the cases where full size subjects such as aircraft are used. Hint, full size aircraft often retain their usual colours and markings. Your remaining unidentified model might never get identified, because speculative designs are often tested before a publicly-revealed designation is assigned. I'm tempted to remove images from Unidentified Aircraft that are unrecognisable, as in contrails etc.146.90.73.236 12:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC) Oops, just got logged out. PeterWD (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Perhaps we need an "unidentifiable aircraft" category? Andy Mabbett (talk) 21:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Men with glasses[edit]

Hi Pigsonthewing, I've seen your cat-conflict with Foroa. Regrettably your mutual communication seems to have happened only via edit-summaries, as far as I can see. The reason for the removal of cat:Men with glasses from your cat:Andy Mabbett may be that each image in this cat is already in cat:Men with glasses, it would thereby be a double-categorization - so far my assumption. --Túrelio (talk) 19:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but I'm afraid you're labouring under a misapprehension. The matter is discussed - complete with Foroa's wildly-inaccurate statistical claims - at Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/05/Category:Men with glasses (and before that at User talk:Mjrmtg#Category:Men with glasses). And individual images in cat:Andy Mabbett should not be in cat:Men with glasses; precisely because the former is. Andy Mabbett (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikimaps[edit]

Do you want to participate in drafting Wikimaps? --Susannaanas (talk) 08:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

File:A Right Royal Tour of Lancashire 1913.ogv[edit]

There you go. Please add the appropriate licence and also a description or categories because I do not have the time right now. Thanks --McZusatz (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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BBC Sound Archive request[edit]

Is there a place to make requests for specific areas of interest?

Also does the BBC audio archive retain BBC Political coverage?...

For example portions of the 2013 debate on action in Syria for example might be worth looking into (given that the Hansard copy is already under an open license) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

@Sfan00 IMG: There will be. If you refer to broadcasts for parliamentary debates, then the copyright would not belong to the BBC, but to Parliament, and there is, AIUI, specific law restricting its reuse. Andy Mabbett (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, but I felt it was worth checking on that.

Some other areas for searching (These are not necessarily in the archive mentioned though) i)In respect of other sound archive material that would be of interest, but possibly not in the archive concerned, there is a 1980's interview where Thatcher was challanged over the Belgrano, which would aid the commentary about controversy surrounding that incident.

ii) There was a BBC Radio comedy which satirised Wikipedia, it may be appropriate to find representative samples of it.

iii) "Journey into Space" - In this 1950's radio drama there are some early experimental Radiophonic like sound effect, which could be used to support commentary on electronicaly generated sounds. "Major Blodnok's Stomach" is another well known effect using radiophonic techniques.

iv) "Dick Barton" - Whilst the Devils Gallop Music can't be on Commons, a sample of the Breathless tone used as a cliffhanger might be approrpriate to support commentary on radio dramatic presentation tactics..

(Noth Dick barton and Journey into Space have featured on Radio 4 Extra)

Just some thoughts.. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I will pass these comments on to my contacts at the BBC, but please note that the scope of the project in this initial, experimental, phase is limited to the speaking voices of people appearing in those BBC programmes which are available permanently online. Andy Mabbett (talk) 13:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Lighting the blue touch paper[edit]

Thanks for your thanks :-)

I did think of writing "once you've finished all the Turkey", but I wasn't sure if that would be fair to your dindon sauvage. Jheald (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

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Yours sincerely, -mattbuck (Talk) 15:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Lost a license[edit]

Andy, you lost a license and OTRS in this edit. Is that intentional? --Jarekt (talk) 19:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I've fixed it, Thank you. Andy Mabbett (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Some more titles from the BL1million for the West Midlands[edit]

diff, just in case there's any of interest. Jheald (talk) 21:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Useful, thank you - though I have a backlog of uploads, so it may be a few days before I get to doing anything useful with them. Andy Mabbett (talk) 17:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

File:Magazine rack, Gare del'Est, Paris - 2014-02-01 - Andy Mabbett.JPG[edit]

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West Midlands Police Editathon[edit]

Just to let you know my photos from the day are now finally all on Commons. They're all in Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum and the badges and hats sub-categories of that. Thank you again for organising the enjoyable day. Thryduulf (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


GLAMwiki toolset[edit]

Hi Pigsonthewing,

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Treak Cliff Cavern[edit]

hello Andy! Treak Cliff Cavern Rob (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Objects hallmarked in London[edit]

Hi, would you mind to create and categorize this not yet existing category you curently filling up with a lot of files? Thx. --JuTa 13:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I always intended to; you left your message while I was still working on it. Please be more patient. Andy Mabbett (talk) 13:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Fellows (auctioneers)[edit]

Hello :), Some minutes before your comment was posted i have started my deletion script. Unfortunately the person did not have appropriate legal authority to act on behalf of the copyright holder. And this is a very clear case per OTRS conversation. :(:( I am very sorry. Have a nice day --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

@Steinsplitter: "The person did not have appropriate legal authority to act on behalf of the copyright holder" There is no evidence that thy did not. Andy Mabbett (talk) 21:26, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Per OTRS yes, it is also recently uploaded + DR started by unloader, + COM:PCP apply. I would also like to keep the files, but it is not possible :(. You can go to COM:UNDEL if you like a review. greetings --Steinsplitter (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

WMP museum notice photo[edit]

Not sure if it is worth raising Commons:Deletion requests/File:West Midlands Police Museum (13175361163).jpg at Undeletion requests. If you do, raise it there and I'll support it. I think OTRS tickets in these situations are bizarre when the declarations are public already and create pointless extra work for volunteers. -- (talk) 11:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:flac sound files of spoken English[edit]

Will u make this cat also blue?--Sanandros (talk) 10:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I always intended to; you left your message while I was still working on it. Please be more patient. Or do it yourself. Andy Mabbett (talk) 10:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to do it but then I remember that u maybe working on it (like writing some longer text), so i asked before taking action. But Thx anyway 4 your work.--Sanandros (talk) 22:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata links based on naming of sound files[edit]

Hi Andy, no expectations of doing anything on this before Wikimania, but putting down a marker as we might chat about it during the hackerthon... I have just added wikidata:Q192912 to Stephen Fry by starting with the recording of his voice and working backwards. So long as the file naming has been consistent, it would be not too hard to automatically generate a list of candidate celebrity names with voice recordings and check for wikidata entries to link to. I'm slight hesitant to take this further without discussion, as it makes more sense to have a systematic policy for creating categories with wikidata links, and the links ought to probably become part of {{Authority control}} rather than being an additional odd template.

Anyway, if we get a chance to chat in the next couple of weeks and want to follow up, prompt me on it. I have just started playing with the wikidata API and I would guess that an exercise like this might take me 2 or 3 hours of my volunteer time, which seems worth it (especially if wikidata is automatically improved with links to the Commons categories/sound files), if we can establish best practice. Thanks -- (talk) 11:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@: Yes, let's chat about that next week. It sounds good, but there is wider a problem, in that Wikidata treats Commons pages, not categories, as the significant unit. I'd like to see that reversed, but don't yet understand the reasoning behind that approach. Andy Mabbett (talk) 12:07, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania category[edit]

Hi Pigsonthewing. I'm not sure why you removed File:Wikimania 2014 MP 006 - Lydia Pintscher.jpg, File:Wikimania 2014 MP 007 - Lydia Pintscher.jpg and File:Wikimania 2014 MP 008 - Lydia Pintscher.jpg from Category:Wikimania 2014 - Day 1. Perhaps you were thinking they're from the hackathon pre-conference days, but I'm fairly sure this talk was on day 1 of Wikimania... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Me neither sorry - over zealous selection, probably. I've undone that. Sorry for the trouble. Andy Mabbett (talk) 15:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

OrcID[edit]

Thanks 4 the tip. It's now linked on my page :-)  Klaas|Z4␟V:  12:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you changed my UserPage. ok in this case, but don't do it unasked anymore. Now it;s not my personal page anymore, but of you and me  Klaas|Z4␟V:  07:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Buses_in_Kosovo[edit]

Commons-emblem-issue.svg Category:Buses_in_Kosovo has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


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