Template talk:Assessments/Archive 2

Wallpaper thing

I'm also baffled that you continue inserting the wallpaper thing into the FP assessment templates despite the oposition. Maybe the only solution now is to bring the template to its original form and protect it against any changes! We are still waiting for the non consensual changes to the files to be reverted! Alvesgaspar (talk) 23:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

That template is deprecated regardless of your insistence to keep it. Opposition that only demands a vote is ridiculous. You haven't stated a single reason why old template should be used which offers no benefit. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 23:27, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I nominated the old template for deletion. Fine, have your vote. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 23:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the "Deprecated" info because it is not true that the Wallpaper template has been replaced by the Assessment template. A dishonest trick that don't add to your image! -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

{{Wallpaper}} is no longer used. Do you know how templates are deprecated? -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 19:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

It is no longer used because you have merged its use into assessments against community consensus. It has never been agreed to merge wallpaper into this template.--Slaunger (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

• There was no community consensus for the creation of {{Wallpaper}} nor was there any community consensus against such a merger. In fact the ancient vote people quote time to time suggested all featured stuff could be merged. {{Wallpaper}} is a featured item.
• Also, I merely migrated older uses of {{Wallpaper}} 3+ years after the creation of {{Assessments}}. In the passing of time vast majority of wallpaper markings was done through {{Assessments}} template. Users preferred adding the assessments parameter since the template is always present for featured pictures. I did not ask people to use the Assessments template to mark wallpapers. Despite being done all the time for the past three years, addition of wallpaper parameter by User:Shizhao was brought to COM:AN/UD before and no one saw use of the parameter as a problem.
• We do not need a commons-wide discussion for every minor issue. Wallpaper template is a very minor issue and people who are against the merger failed to provide any rationale as to why the two must remain separated. In fact one user opposing expressed indifference as to which template was actually used.

-- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 00:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

• Unless I've misunderstood what you've done, please revert the inclusion of wallpaper stuff within assessments. Wallpapers is not a logical subcategory of featured content. It needs to be accessible via {{Wallpaper}} for any image of the right dimensions. As a bot operator, you are responsible for undoing problems you cause, including if you have done something others dislike without establishing a prior consensus. --99of9 (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

• I have no idea what you have understood. Alvesgaspar demands proper procedure needs to be followed over something he stated he doesn't care either way. He is creating a controversy over nothing. He has not demonstrated any reason as to why this should be discussed any further than it already has. He disappears from the discussion for months the moment I stop modifying the template only to show up if I continue editing it.
• Why I am not inclined to comply with your request of mass revert:
  1. Wallpaper is a featured-related item as it says so in the templates {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}. Just take a look at either template. It even has the "featured" colors. You cannot get more featured than that.
  2. I have not added any new feature to this template since 2008. All I have done was translate the code to something more readable. Candidate tagging, Wallpaper tagging and other such features have been a part of this template since its initial version.
  3. I have not tagged any image with wallpaper parameter that did not already have the templates {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}.
  4. People other than me have been using and preferring the wallpaper parameter over {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}} in the past years.
     • Number broke down to 60% of the content tagged was with wallpaper parameter and not the template. The file pages containing the older templates typically had it before the switch.
  5. Wallpaper tagging by User:Shizhao was taken to AN/UD before by Alvesgaspar (where he reverted Shizhao edits calling them trolling). Use of the wallpaper tag wasn't deemed a disruptive activity.
  6. {{Wallpaper}} is deprecated and should not be used. Same result can be achieved by this template. If this template needs to be used I need to hear rational reasoning.
• I have practically spent months updating the code of this template. It was a mess prior and even I had great difficulty following it. Alvesgaspar demands all that work to be reverted back to the 2008 version over an obscure poll no one cares about. This poll had fewer votes than what would take a single image to be featured. Elements of that poll has been disregarded since. For example despite the poll POTY is being tagged with the Assessments template. Said poll also had no restrictions or remarks on the future of {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}. The only mentioned note was all featured stuff can be merged which wallpaper templates qualify.

Frankly I am sick and tired of "discussing" anything with Alvesgaspar as well as several others as they opposed to the very existence to this template since 2008. So their opposition to this template is nothing new, it has been consistent since 2008.

-- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 05:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Could we make it simpler?

Examples

Commons featured POTY

{{Assessments|POTY=2|POTYyear=2012|featured=1|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

Picture of the year This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year 2012. This is a featured picture on Wikimedia Commons (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination [[Commons:|here]]. Wikipedia  This is a featured picture on the English language Wikipedia (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Persian language Wikipedia (نگاره‌های برگزیده) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Turkish language Wikipedia (Seçkin resimler) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here. If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.

Commons featured

{{Assessments|featured=1|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

This is a featured picture on Wikimedia Commons (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination [[Commons:|here]]. Wikipedia  This is a featured picture on the English language Wikipedia (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Persian language Wikipedia (نگاره‌های برگزیده) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Turkish language Wikipedia (Seçkin resimler) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here. If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.

Non-commons featured

{{Assessments|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

Wikipedia  This is a featured picture on the English language Wikipedia (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Persian language Wikipedia (نگاره‌های برگزیده) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Turkish language Wikipedia (Seçkin resimler) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here. If you think this file should be featured on Wikimedia Commons as well, feel free to nominate it. If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.

Non-commons featured (fewer)

{{Assessments|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

This is a featured picture on the English language Wikipedia (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here.  This is a featured picture on the Persian language Wikipedia (نگاره‌های برگزیده) and is considered one of the finest images. See its nomination here. If you think this file should be featured on Wikimedia Commons as well, feel free to nominate it. If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.

Discussion

• I belive that our Assessment template is too cluttered with text and graphics. Here are some proposals for simplification:

1. Remove the big FP star at left;
2. Remove the icons at right. Maybe we could move the Commons' logo to the top right (or left) corner and make it smaller;
3. Make the Commons' FP info exactly like the others and remove the line underneath;
4. Remove the international banner below, which serves no apparently useful purpose (?);
5. Remove the collapsible feature. No real need for that;
6. Not sure about the need of If you have an image of similar quality that can be published....

• I would gladly have shown a specific proposal if I knew how... Alvesgaspar (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Elements on the template were incorporated from the original templates (such as {{FeaturedPicture}}) that handled featured pictures prior to 2008. I feel {{Assessments}} is informative and gives the information in a concise manner. It is far better than having multiple templates like in 2008.

1. Featured star is kind of the main-point of this template. It is automatically hidden if the template isn't marked as "Featured" on commons. It's presence is iconic of commons.
2. Size can be adjusted but I think logos give a good overview on what template covers. Looking at these logos, user can see that template covers commons-specific and wikipedia-specific assessments. There are images with only commons-specific or wikipedia-specific assessments.
3. Commons featured isn't like other featured images, it is special. Mixing commons featured status with wikipedia ones would not be an improvement. Content above the line marks different commons assessments ranging from marking POTY (recently disabled due to the "candidate" complaint - No POTY on the site is currently marked as a result - though categories and logos work), featured assessments as well as QI and Wallpaper. While template is extended to handle VI's too, this functionality isn't used and is not fully implemented.
4. (Assuming you are referring to the autotranslate menu) They will eventually work as intended. They will automatically translate the content to the clicked language. I am not sure why it doesn't work but it is a simple fix for someone who knows how autotranslate templates supposed to work.
5. Collapsible feature only appears if too many Wikipedia assessments are passed. The number for that currently is "more than 2" this value can be increased so that collapsible appears less frequently. But displaying too many lines of text all at once is too much IMHO.
6. That text was in the originally in the {{FeaturedPicture}} template. It can be removed or altered to advertise different assessments such as QI and VI.

-- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 13:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

zh-yuewiki

Hi, the language code zh-yuewiki seems to categorize to Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Cantonese and Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Cartonese, which looks incorrect. I guess Cantonese is correct and Cartonese is a bug. Could sombody familiar with this template set try to fix this. Thx. --JuTa 08:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, I just realize that the second category has been added manually to those images. (example). I will fix that myself. Sorry for disturbing :) --JuTa 08:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

arwiki

Is it possible to add support for Arabic Wikipedia? --Banzoo (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Can you give me a sample nomination? -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 17:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I didnt understand your question. I wanted to include File:بيروت_القرن_١٩_أسود_أبيض.jpg which is featured on arabic wikipedia as with this nomination --Banzoo (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. I have added the code but because template is protected it will require an admin to make the last needed edit. :) -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 18:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks--Banzoo (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Timothy Gu (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Broken for set nominations

moved from COM:AN. Rd232 (talk) 14:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

{{Assessments |featured=1 |com-nom=Commons:Featured picture candidates/Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson }}

gives an error when used on an actual file page, claiming the nomination doesn't exist.

{{Assessments |featured=1 |com-nom=Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson }}

gives the same error.

The problem is, that should work, according to Template:Assessments/doc, since Commons:Featured picture candidates/Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson does, in fact, exist.

The code in Template:Assessments is this:

{{#if:{{{featured|}}}|{{#ifexist:{{{{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1=FPC/|2=FPCR/|3=FSC/}}|1={{#if:{{{com-nom|{{{renamed|}}}}}}|{{{com-nom|{{{renamed}}}}}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}| |{{FNO|1=<span style="color:red;">'''This file does not link to the relevant nomination page! Please refer to [[Template:Assessments/doc]]!'''</span><br/>[[Category:Assessment tagged pages that do not link to nomination]]}}}}}}

I'm ptetty sure that can NEVER work. The #ifexist shoves a FPC/ in front of the com-nom parameter, inside a transclusion. (not even a Commons:Featured picture candidates/)!

I don't see how this can EVER work. It's just a mess of broken code.

This basically means that set nominations can't be promoted properly. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

It can work, its a matter of expanding the relevant template. Give me a little time and I'll fix it. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 20:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Support for Hebrew?

Hello,

I'd like to use this template for a picture nominated on Hebrew Wikepedia, but it seems to think that the link is a file name and adds the 'standard' nomination file path (which is then converted to hebrew), so it results in an error… at least I think that's what's happening. Is this expected, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance. ThePromenader (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I managed to find a workaround (the file path is reversed in Hebrew). If I use the above nomination-page link in the 'nom-hewiki' attribute, the link works correctly but the template gives us 'no link to nomination page'. When I use the shorter 'reversed' link, the template thinks that everything is working fine, but when I click the link I get a 'page not found' error. Can this be fixed? Thanks! ThePromenader (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Scribunto

I've created a concept of Lua rewrite of this template: Module:Assessments. If you can, please help me complete it. --Ricordisamoa 17:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

It will be nice if you can add a provision to include VI nomination page too (like com-nom). Every VI has a nomination page. Eg: Commons:Valued image candidates/Danaus chrysippus male 2 by kadavoor.jpg. Jee 17:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be also nice to have documentation, test and test-results pages. I would give a hand, but I am working on Module:Coordinates. --Jarekt (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt, Dschwen, Slaunger, and 99of9: the module is now working flawlessly, replacing {{Assessments/images}}, {{Assessments/images/left}} and {{Assessments/images/right}} as well; see some testcases. Now all VI-specific parameters need to be worked on. --Ricordisamoa 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Seems OK; need VI parameters too. Jee 12:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Improved handling of errors and added new testcases. --Ricordisamoa 16:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt: Do you think it is ok to deploy it now, or would it be better to implement Valued Images or #Internationalization first? --Ricordisamoa 19:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Internationalization

Currently, we have dozens of translated subpages full of complex wikicode. Using the Translate extension, we should be able to split them into simpler strings, and use them directly through Module:Assessments.

I used to manage translations here at Commons, and I may apply for translation adminship again. But anyway, it's a very hard work and someone should help me. --Ricordisamoa 19:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

What did you have in mind? I tried to use translation extension for translating templates (an a VERY simple case), and never got it to work correctly. We could just write it in Lua: kind of like Module:Coordinates which placed all the translations in Module:i18n/coordinates. May be do the same with Module:Assessments where all the translations will be placed in Module:I18n/assessments? Either way you do not need to be translation admin for that. --Jarekt (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt: I thought of creating a page (Template:Assessments/i18n) in which to list all English messages in plain text. Then, after having it translated through the extension, the module would have loaded the needed messages via getContent() and displayed them within the box. I'm not going to apply for translation adminship for that ;-) --Ricordisamoa 20:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I learn something every day. Are there any pages that already use that technique so I can observe it? --Jarekt (talk) 03:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not AFAIK. I like pioneering ;-) --Ricordisamoa 09:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Than I would create a Template:Assessments/i18n with may be 2 messages and try to get it to work first. --Jarekt (talk) 11:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt:  Done --Ricordisamoa 22:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I can mark it for translation but I still do not understand how you going to pick message #1 or #2 with getContent(). --Jarekt (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The translate extension will immediately populate Translations:Template:Assessments/i18n/1/en, Translations:Template:Assessments/i18n/2/en, etc., and Translations:Template:Assessments/i18n/1/it, etc. will be created by translators using the extension's GUI. --Ricordisamoa 04:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Ricordisamoa I just run into Template:Translatable template template which might be an officially sanctioned way of achieving what you aim for. --Jarekt (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt: I see. That surely works with simple text-based templates, but I don't know if it is being actually used within some complex Scribunto-based ones. I think I'll dive into my proposal then. Thanks for your help. --Ricordisamoa 00:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt: unfortunately, the string.format native function in Lua doesn't support named arguments, so it is not suitable for localization. --Ricordisamoa 14:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Valued image

Adding the valued image does not work well, see e. g. File:Sant Vasily cathedral in Moscow.JPG. After adding the parameter "valued", most of the text within the template changes into italics. Also the link to the scope of the valued image is missing (there is no parameter for it). Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I don’t know what the problem is, but it seems to be in Template:Assessments/translate/en, because it appears only with English interface. Unfortunately the most users use English interface. --Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I see it now. It seems that the English version of the template tries to mention the scope, but in a bad way. Does anybody know how to fix it? The scope should be there. Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Wallpaper suggestion

To begin with I'm not sure what the original intended idea behind this was but it's showing up in places you'd expect it the least, like suggesting the Buchenwald Slave Laborers Liberation would make an excellent wallpaper. Not sure if this is set automatically or manually but in cases like this it's ranging from... weird to outright offensive, depending on the viewer. KennyOMG (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi KennyOMG, the wallpaper suggestion is not something that has been done automatically. It appears because, and only because, the argument wallpaper=1 has been inserted as an argument to the template for this file page back in 2012 by Shizhao. I do not know why this user has chosen to mark this file page as a suitable wallpaper back then, but I agree it does not appear as the best editorial judgement as it could cause distress for users looking for potential wallpaper photographs. Of course users are free to use this image as a wallpaper if they for some reason want that, but in that case I think it is reasonable that they actively search for this image itself. I have therefore removed the wallpaper argument from this image again. -- Slaunger (talk) 17:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

I see, Slaunger, so if I see instances like this in the future just remove the wallpaper=1 part and be done with it? Thanks! KennyOMG (talk) 17:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

KennyOMG: That's what I would do. Be bold and remove it if you find an image is not in any way reasonable as a wall paper. If someone disagrees, they will revert and then you can discuss the suitability/insuitability of marking it as wallpaper. Remember in this process to also to be a open-minded though and show empathy for different cultures, gender, countries, religions, etc. regarding what is perceived suitable as a wallpaper. This particular case is rather obvious for me though. -- Slaunger (talk) 17:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Error

What's the reason that it doesn't work for ckb.wikipedia? I added the codes to this template too but it's still not working. Lost Whispers (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You have to expand Template:Assessments/wikipedia, too. If it still doesn't work, please show an example so that I can look into it deeper. --Tacsipacsi (talk) 07:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Former featured pictures still show topicon

I noticed that if the "featured" parameter exists, this template will display the FP topicon on a file page. I was about to change that to

{{#ifeq:{{{featured|}}}|1|{{Top icon| imagename = Cscr-featured.svg| imagesize = 64px| wikilink = Commons:Featured pictures| description = This is a Featured picture. Click here for more information.}}|}}

Wanted to post here before doing so, however, since it's used in so many places. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  05:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Structured data

@Multichill: You added Category:Files with Assessments template missing SDC Commons quality assessment to all files not using Commons quality assessment (P6731). First, there’s nothing about SDC in the documentation, so users have no clue how to model assessment. Second, I’m not sure there’s a modelling for all kinds of assessments—for example, is there a way to state in structured data that File:01 - Vivaldi Spring mvt 1 Allegro - John Harrison violin.ogg is a featured sound on the English Wikipedia, with its nomination page at en:Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/The Four Seasons? If there isn’t (yet), I think the category should be added only in cases where the SDC statement could actually be added. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's work in progress. Multichill (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Multichill: But there should be some sort of documentation for such a large-scale project, isn’t there? That should be linked from the template documentation. And why would you categorize files that you can’t process? They just pollute the category. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Hide language list ?

There is a lengthy list of language at the end of this template that takes up a lot of space. It it really necessary ? Most of the multilingual content of Commons does have such a thing. The fact that this template uses on autotranslate rather than translatewiki or Wikidata should not necessarily have an impact on the end-user's experience. -Zolo (talk) 10:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• I'm totally  Agree with the fact that the list of languages need to be {{Collapse}}d. The template text is about two or three lines, when the list of languages at the same time is about six lines! It's 66 percent of overall template size. Here is an edit request for that. — Pacha Tchernof (talk) 18:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

   Done I removed it. 1989 (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

{{Edit request}}

uzwiki

Hi! Is it possible to add support for Uzbek Wikipedia? Malikxan ^talk 15:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

• Hi @Malikxan: You could do it yourself if you could translate template from anylanguage into Uzbek. I would walk you through the steps, give you an instruction what you need to do with en-template as an example: 1) Copy Template:Assessments/translate/en template and paste whole its text into new not yet created teamplate Template:Assessments/translate/uz. 2) Translate all copy-pasted content into Uzbek. Don't forget to use Preview feature before saving the page to check if the process goes well. 3) Save (create) the page of the translated template. 4) Go to Template:Assessments/translate/lang and add Uzbek language there in the manner of other languages placed there. 5) Save the page. And voila! - Uzbek language appear elsewhere! If you need any help with it, just ping me. — Pacha Tchernof (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit request}} Hi, could someone add support for the Latin Wikipedia (lawiki)? Thanks.
Example- la:Vicipaedia:Imago mensis/Decembris 2022 --Matr1x-101 {_{user page} - ^{talk with me :)} - _contribs!} 17:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done in Special:Diff/719208285. --TKsdik8900 (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2022 (UTC)