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Wallpaper thing

I'm also baffled that you continue inserting the wallpaper thing into the FP assessment templates despite the oposition. Maybe the only solution now is to bring the template to its original form and protect it against any changes! We are still waiting for the non consensual changes to the files to be reverted! Alvesgaspar (talk) 23:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

That template is deprecated regardless of your insistence to keep it. Opposition that only demands a vote is ridiculous. You haven't stated a single reason why old template should be used which offers no benefit. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 23:27, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I nominated the old template for deletion. Fine, have your vote. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 23:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the "Deprecated" info because it is not true that the Wallpaper template has been replaced by the Assessment template. A dishonest trick that don't add to your image! -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
{{Wallpaper}} is no longer used. Do you know how templates are deprecated? -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 19:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
It is no longer used because you have merged its use into assessments against community consensus. It has never been agreed to merge wallpaper into this template.--Slaunger (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • There was no community consensus for the creation of {{Wallpaper}} nor was there any community consensus against such a merger. In fact the ancient vote people quote time to time suggested all featured stuff could be merged. {{Wallpaper}} is a featured item.
  • Also, I merely migrated older uses of {{Wallpaper}} 3+ years after the creation of {{Assessments}}. In the passing of time vast majority of wallpaper markings was done through {{Assessments}} template. Users preferred adding the assessments parameter since the template is always present for featured pictures. I did not ask people to use the Assessments template to mark wallpapers. Despite being done all the time for the past three years, addition of wallpaper parameter by User:Shizhao was brought to COM:AN/UD before and no one saw use of the parameter as a problem.
  • We do not need a commons-wide discussion for every minor issue. Wallpaper template is a very minor issue and people who are against the merger failed to provide any rationale as to why the two must remain separated. In fact one user opposing expressed indifference as to which template was actually used.
-- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 00:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Unless I've misunderstood what you've done, please revert the inclusion of wallpaper stuff within assessments. Wallpapers is not a logical subcategory of featured content. It needs to be accessible via {{Wallpaper}} for any image of the right dimensions. As a bot operator, you are responsible for undoing problems you cause, including if you have done something others dislike without establishing a prior consensus. --99of9 (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I have no idea what you have understood. Alvesgaspar demands proper procedure needs to be followed over something he stated he doesn't care either way. He is creating a controversy over nothing. He has not demonstrated any reason as to why this should be discussed any further than it already has. He disappears from the discussion for months the moment I stop modifying the template only to show up if I continue editing it.
  • Why I am not inclined to comply with your request of mass revert:
    1. Wallpaper is a featured-related item as it says so in the templates {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}. Just take a look at either template. It even has the "featured" colors. You cannot get more featured than that.
    2. I have not added any new feature to this template since 2008. All I have done was translate the code to something more readable. Candidate tagging, Wallpaper tagging and other such features have been a part of this template since its initial version.
    3. I have not tagged any image with wallpaper parameter that did not already have the templates {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}.
    4. People other than me have been using and preferring the wallpaper parameter over {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}} in the past years.
      • Number broke down to 60% of the content tagged was with wallpaper parameter and not the template. The file pages containing the older templates typically had it before the switch.
    5. Wallpaper tagging by User:Shizhao was taken to AN/UD before by Alvesgaspar (where he reverted Shizhao edits calling them trolling). Use of the wallpaper tag wasn't deemed a disruptive activity.
    6. {{Wallpaper}} is deprecated and should not be used. Same result can be achieved by this template. If this template needs to be used I need to hear rational reasoning.
  • I have practically spent months updating the code of this template. It was a mess prior and even I had great difficulty following it. Alvesgaspar demands all that work to be reverted back to the 2008 version over an obscure poll no one cares about. This poll had fewer votes than what would take a single image to be featured. Elements of that poll has been disregarded since. For example despite the poll POTY is being tagged with the Assessments template. Said poll also had no restrictions or remarks on the future of {{Wallpaper}}/{{WideCommonsWallpaper}}. The only mentioned note was all featured stuff can be merged which wallpaper templates qualify.
Frankly I am sick and tired of "discussing" anything with Alvesgaspar as well as several others as they opposed to the very existence to this template since 2008. So their opposition to this template is nothing new, it has been consistent since 2008.
-- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 05:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Could we make it simpler?

Examples

Commons featured POTY
{{Assessments|POTY=2|POTYyear=2012|featured=1|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}
POTY
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If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.


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Commons featured
{{Assessments|featured=1|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

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Wikimedia CommonsWikipedia

This is a featured picture on Wikimedia Commons (Featured pictures) and is [[Commons:|considered]] one of the finest images.



If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.


العربية | অসমীয়া | Azərbaycanca | Беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎ | বাংলা | Català | Čeština | Cymraeg | Dansk | Deutsch | Zazaki | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | Español | Eesti | Euskara | فارسی | Тоҷикӣ | Suomi | Français | Galego | עברית | हिन्दी | Hrvatski | Magyar | Հայերեն | Bahasa Indonesia | Italiano | 日本語 | ქართული | Қазақша | 한국어 | Lëtzebuergesch | Lietuvių | Македонски | മലയാളം | Bahasa Melayu | Malti | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | Norsk nynorsk | Norsk bokmål | Polski | Português | Português do Brasil | Română | Русский | Slovenščina | Српски / srpski | Svenska | தமிழ் | ไทย | Türkçe | Татарча/tatarça | Українська | Tiếng Việt | Yorùbá | 中文(简体)‎ | 中文(繁體)‎ | 粵語 | +/−

Non-commons featured
{{Assessments|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

Wikipedia


If you think this file should be featured on Wikimedia Commons as well, feel free to nominate it.
If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.


العربية | অসমীয়া | Azərbaycanca | Беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎ | বাংলা | Català | Čeština | Cymraeg | Dansk | Deutsch | Zazaki | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | Español | Eesti | Euskara | فارسی | Тоҷикӣ | Suomi | Français | Galego | עברית | हिन्दी | Hrvatski | Magyar | Հայերեն | Bahasa Indonesia | Italiano | 日本語 | ქართული | Қазақша | 한국어 | Lëtzebuergesch | Lietuvių | Македонски | മലയാളം | Bahasa Melayu | Malti | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | Norsk nynorsk | Norsk bokmål | Polski | Português | Português do Brasil | Română | Русский | Slovenščina | Српски / srpski | Svenska | தமிழ் | ไทย | Türkçe | Татарча/tatarça | Українська | Tiếng Việt | Yorùbá | 中文(简体)‎ | 中文(繁體)‎ | 粵語 | +/−

Non-commons featured (fewer)
{{Assessments|fawiki=1|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=The photographer|trwiki=1}}

Wikipedia

Cscr-featured.svgSound-icon-empty.svgThis is a featured picture on the English language Wikipedia (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images.
Cscr-featured.svgSound-icon-empty.svgThis is a featured picture on the Persian language Wikipedia (نگاره‌های برگزیده) and is considered one of the finest images.

If you think this file should be featured on Wikimedia Commons as well, feel free to nominate it.
If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it.


العربية | অসমীয়া | Azərbaycanca | Беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎ | বাংলা | Català | Čeština | Cymraeg | Dansk | Deutsch | Zazaki | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | Español | Eesti | Euskara | فارسی | Тоҷикӣ | Suomi | Français | Galego | עברית | हिन्दी | Hrvatski | Magyar | Հայերեն | Bahasa Indonesia | Italiano | 日本語 | ქართული | Қазақша | 한국어 | Lëtzebuergesch | Lietuvių | Македонски | മലയാളം | Bahasa Melayu | Malti | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | Norsk nynorsk | Norsk bokmål | Polski | Português | Português do Brasil | Română | Русский | Slovenščina | Српски / srpski | Svenska | தமிழ் | ไทย | Türkçe | Татарча/tatarça | Українська | Tiếng Việt | Yorùbá | 中文(简体)‎ | 中文(繁體)‎ | 粵語 | +/−

Discussion

  • I belive that our Assessment template is too cluttered with text and graphics. Here are some proposals for simplification:
  1. Remove the big FP star at left;
  2. Remove the icons at right. Maybe we could move the Commons' logo to the top right (or left) corner and make it smaller;
  3. Make the Commons' FP info exactly like the others and remove the line underneath;
  4. Remove the international banner below, which serves no apparently useful purpose (?);
  5. Remove the collapsible feature. No real need for that;
  6. Not sure about the need of If you have an image of similar quality that can be published....
  • I would gladly have shown a specific proposal if I knew how... Alvesgaspar (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Elements on the template were incorporated from the original templates (such as {{FeaturedPicture}}) that handled featured pictures prior to 2008. I feel {{Assessments}} is informative and gives the information in a concise manner. It is far better than having multiple templates like in 2008.
  1. Featured star is kind of the main-point of this template. It is automatically hidden if the template isn't marked as "Featured" on commons. It's presence is iconic of commons.
  2. Size can be adjusted but I think logos give a good overview on what template covers. Looking at these logos, user can see that template covers commons-specific and wikipedia-specific assessments. There are images with only commons-specific or wikipedia-specific assessments.
  3. Commons featured isn't like other featured images, it is special. Mixing commons featured status with wikipedia ones would not be an improvement. Content above the line marks different commons assessments ranging from marking POTY (recently disabled due to the "candidate" complaint - No POTY on the site is currently marked as a result - though categories and logos work), featured assessments as well as QI and Wallpaper. While template is extended to handle VI's too, this functionality isn't used and is not fully implemented.
  4. (Assuming you are referring to the autotranslate menu) They will eventually work as intended. They will automatically translate the content to the clicked language. I am not sure why it doesn't work but it is a simple fix for someone who knows how autotranslate templates supposed to work.
  5. Collapsible feature only appears if too many Wikipedia assessments are passed. The number for that currently is "more than 2" this value can be increased so that collapsible appears less frequently. But displaying too many lines of text all at once is too much IMHO.
  6. That text was in the originally in the {{FeaturedPicture}} template. It can be removed or altered to advertise different assessments such as QI and VI.
-- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 13:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

zh-yuewiki

Hi, the language code zh-yuewiki seems to categorize to Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Cantonese and Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Cartonese, which looks incorrect. I guess Cantonese is correct and Cartonese is a bug. Could sombody familiar with this template set try to fix this. Thx. --JuTa 08:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, I just realize that the second category has been added manually to those images. (example). I will fix that myself. Sorry for disturbing :) --JuTa 08:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

arwiki

Is it possible to add support for Arabic Wikipedia? --Banzoo (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Can you give me a sample nomination? -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 17:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I didnt understand your question. I wanted to include File:بيروت_القرن_١٩_أسود_أبيض.jpg which is featured on arabic wikipedia as with this nomination --Banzoo (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. I have added the code but because template is protected it will require an admin to make the last needed edit. :) -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 18:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks--Banzoo (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Timothy Gu (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Broken for set nominations

moved from COM:AN. Rd232 (talk) 14:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

{{Assessments |featured=1 |com-nom=Commons:Featured picture candidates/Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson }}

gives an error when used on an actual file page, claiming the nomination doesn't exist.


{{Assessments |featured=1 |com-nom=Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson }}

gives the same error.

The problem is, that should work, according to Template:Assessments/doc, since Commons:Featured picture candidates/Set nomination: The Early Poems of Alfred, Lord Tennyson does, in fact, exist.

The code in Template:Assessments is this:

{{#if:{{{featured|}}}|{{#ifexist:{{{{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1=FPC/|2=FPCR/|3=FSC/}}|1={{#if:{{{com-nom|{{{renamed|}}}}}}|{{{com-nom|{{{renamed}}}}}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}| |{{FNO|1=<span style="color:red;">'''This file does not link to the relevant nomination page! Please refer to [[Template:Assessments/doc]]!'''</span><br/>[[Category:Assessment tagged pages that do not link to nomination]]}}}}}}

I'm ptetty sure that can NEVER work. The #ifexist shoves a FPC/ in front of the com-nom parameter, inside a transclusion. (not even a Commons:Featured picture candidates/)!

I don't see how this can EVER work. It's just a mess of broken code.

This basically means that set nominations can't be promoted properly. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

It can work, its a matter of expanding the relevant template. Give me a little time and I'll fix it. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 20:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Support for Hebrew?

Hello,

I'd like to use this template for a picture nominated on Hebrew Wikepedia, but it seems to think that the link is a file name and adds the 'standard' nomination file path (which is then converted to hebrew), so it results in an error… at least I think that's what's happening. Is this expected, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance. ThePromenader (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I managed to find a workaround (the file path is reversed in Hebrew). If I use the above nomination-page link in the 'nom-hewiki' attribute, the link works correctly but the template gives us 'no link to nomination page'. When I use the shorter 'reversed' link, the template thinks that everything is working fine, but when I click the link I get a 'page not found' error. Can this be fixed? Thanks! ThePromenader (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Scribunto

I've created a concept of Lua rewrite of this template: Module:Assessments. If you can, please help me complete it. --Ricordisamoa 17:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

It will be nice if you can add a provision to include VI nomination page too (like com-nom). Every VI has a nomination page. Eg: Commons:Valued image candidates/Danaus chrysippus male 2 by kadavoor.jpg. Jee 17:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be also nice to have documentation, test and test-results pages. I would give a hand, but I am working on Module:Coordinates. --Jarekt (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jarekt, Dschwen, Slaunger, 99of9: the module is now working flawlessly, replacing {{Assessments/images}}, {{Assessments/images/left}} and {{Assessments/images/right}} as well; see some testcases. Now all VI-specific parameters need to be worked on. --Ricordisamoa 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Seems OK; need VI parameters too. Jee 12:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Improved handling of errors and added new testcases. --Ricordisamoa 16:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
@Jarekt: Do you think it is ok to deploy it now, or would it be better to implement Valued Images or #Internationalization first? --Ricordisamoa 19:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)