User talk:ABF/Archive/2008/October

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You deleted this image without mentioning the reason: Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Bulgarian Embassy Moscow.jpg. I think that there can't be any copyright of the design of this building. It is an industrial design, it is not eligible for copyright. Could you please undelete this image? Thanks, Yann (talk) 22:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The tower in the background has. If you would remove the tower fell free to undelete. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 14:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#Inconsistent application of COM:FOP: embassies in Moscow. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi, could you update the by date list as well please. Thanks. Giggy (talk) 08:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought that one would stay becuase they where sysop that date.... What do you think? abf /talk to me/ 08:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)



For now I do not care if I'm admin on commons or not, cause I have a lot of work in real life. But I would like to say that using bot to inform people that they have to sign something in such case is not right. Last month I was looking on commons nearly every day but I didn't read information on my talk page, cause I saw in observed that it's bot edit, so I ignored it.

I do not care for now, but I think it's very unfair to other people.

--WarX (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

You where informed. I am not able to write manually to 30-40 users, so I used - as you said - a bot, and this is a approved way to deal mass-messages on commons, as per {{bulletin}}. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 09:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Many Thanks

Cross of Sacrifice.jpg
Dear ABF/Archive/2008,
Thanks for your support of my Request for Adminship. I’m honored by your trust.

Cheers, SterkeBak

No problem :) abf /talk to me/ 17:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Should I still change my username?

Hello, It seems that I am not blocked and just my username is. And you still seem to want me change without explaining at all right? If so please give the reason why you think my username is not appropriate. I'm ready to change that if you show me due reason.--Sateros (talk) 17:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand spain, so what is the meaning of your username? abf /talk to me/ 17:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
It's not a Spanish word. It's my coinage. At first I tried to use Satyr as my username when I created an account a few years ago but someone already used that. So I tried other words like Satir or Saterus in vain until I get Sateros for my nickname. Since then until now no one has complained on the nick so I don't think it's inappropriate to use in Commons.--Sateros (talk) 19:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Harper (Official Photo).jpg

There is an OTRS ticket associated with the image, so I am personally not able to figure out what is in it. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 22:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Now there is a source, so the Image is okay for me, thanks for your work. abf /talk to me/ 06:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Because OTRS told me where it came from. Thank them :) User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

you deleted the logo published by me

I had published a logo.

It was deleted by you.

I think you deleted it as it resembled an advertisement, but it was just to include the name of the firm that was not in the list of companies in an area.

I would like to ask an explanation for the same.

If wikipedia is for useful resources then it should contain all the useful resources.

Are only administrators able to publish useful content?

Sorry, but its not deleted because of the reason you gave, but because there is no fair use at commons, and a logo is unfree. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 12:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Equally it is possible that it is outside our project scope unless you can let us know how it is to be used. In practice you have attempted to promote a company both here & on Wikipedia, as such we would need clarification of your intentions. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Sanh bao tang Louvre 001.JPG


You have deleted Image:Sanh bao tang Louvre 001.JPG with the explanation: In category Unknown as of 2 October 2008; no license. if I remember correctly, this image was under GFDL, but the author Newone didn't want to publish it any more (see Image talk:Sanh bao tang Louvre 001.JPG). Is this reason sufficient to delete the image ? Or maybe my memory deceives me... --CHristoPHE 07:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi :) You are right, my reason was wrong, It should have beed 'No Permission' instead of 'No License'. The source was "|Source=". And because there was no OTRS-permission it had to be deleted. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 07:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
OK. Does it mean that Newone has to send an OTRS-permission for the rest of his images, because most of them seem to have the source : (e.g. Image:CourvoisierCognacDeNapoleon1.jpg, Image:Bao tang nhung nguoi noi tieng 049.jpg, or the source : (e.g. Image:Duong phan giac - Bisection.PNG, Image:Cone-Matnon.jpg) ? --CHristoPHE 07:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, otherwise they will be deleted in 7 days. abf /talk to me/ 07:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I hope Newone will send the OTRS-permission because I don't want to be responsible for the deletion of almost one hundred images :-) --CHristoPHE 07:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I called myself a troll

Honest. I called myself a troll and it was accurate since I was reading that talk page. Unable to read german, yet the word "troll" and my name were used in the same sentence.

Can I ask you to politely 1)show me the translation which made you think I was calling anyone except myself a troll; 2)please remove that banner from my talk page. -- carol (talk) 09:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, sorry, I thought you called orchi an ocessioanally troll. Message removed.
Btw. why dont you stop trolling then?? Regards, abf /talk to me/ 09:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh, thank you for removing that template. To answer your question, I was using the terminology that was in that sentence which included my name. My experience with the internet has been a little backwards -- the first germans I communicated with were fairly understanding of the things I wrote (perhaps due to the availability of movies and television and other similar presentations of the language). It seems weird to be now constantly warned about offending users from other countries. Well, even before that when I was in the international dormatory in 1980, it was my feeling then that the international students were less easily offended than what I am sometimes told now. This is a "digression" that I have also been accused of recently....
(Another attempt at an answer) I am not certain what to call it when I am "joining" on a talk page which is not mine and in a thread which came to my attention because the talk page is in my watchlist. "Troll" might be too strong a word for this. On the otherhand, I often have people join in on my talk page who I would like to call a troll. Language is difficult.
Recently, I answered a claim from a new admin here that they are "willing and able to learn" that was put on Orchi's talk page. User_talk:Orchi#Redirect_problems. I recently stumbled upon a category I had spent a lot of time and research with be kind of mangled in the name of reducing over-categorization. There were two sets of meteorlogical satellites (the first operational ones, actually). They had similar names but the first one had been subcategorized into the second one -- and I couldn't find it! Then, today after I read User_talk:Orchi#Overcategorisation I found a perfect example of what was wrong with the merge that I complain about often here. They call "Europe": "Lebanon; Syria; Turkey, Azerbaijan; Georgia, Ciscaucasia, Austria; Switzerland, Albania; Bulgaria; Former Yugoslavia; Greece; Italy [incl. Sardinia, Sicily]"
I think that Orchi likes what I am doing with the taxonomy and perhaps even with the native species in the "Flora" categories that I made. I could be wrong. I had and still have no idea what the "Plants of" categories were about. The taxonomy templates are very cool -- there is nothing like it online anywhere else. Perhaps it is an abuse of the word "cool" the same way calling myself a "troll" was though. The evolution of the science of taxonomy reflects the evolution in the technology -- kind of. They count things like ribs on seeds and such to group them, heh. The four systems I am making display are in use online and at some of the wikipedias so it is quite within the scope. All of the other web sites pick one or invent their own. Occasionally, it feels like putting together a complicated puzzle. That is the enjoyment I get out of doing this.
I have some problems with some of the things I am doing, btw. "APWebsite" is a site which does not want to be a reference web site and not the web site that I am actually using -- when a software changes all of that to something less spam-like my discomfort will be eased. "APWebsite" is a document and a guideline from one of the ToL users.
That is many words about something you might not be so interested in. Too many? The example of the difference between the "Plants of" categories and the "Flora of" categories would get a laugh from most people I know in United States. A laugh that is not big enough for the effort that was undone when that merge was conducted. -- carol (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Numerous deletion requests for contributions of user Hundehalter

you may delete all of my contributions and I will not upload any more. Licence options to be chosen while uploading are not clear to me. You might have corrected the wrong tags or could have explain it to me. I tried my best but you may delete all of it. Thank you very much --Hundehalter (talk) 12:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I wont delete them all. See your talk. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 12:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Dental care

Hello, I am sorting the "Category:Dentistry". There is a problem. Please look 'Seiten in der Kategorie „Dental care“' (German). "Dental hygiene" is cursive font and there is no target. Can You help me? --R. Engelhardt (talk) 14:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

done by the way: if you want you can also contact me in german language, I am a native speaker of german ;) Regards, abf /talk to me/ 09:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Herzlichen Dank! Gruß, --R. Engelhardt (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Hello, I am trying to understand why this user was desysopped at your request. On March 11, you warned this user that their admin rights on Commons would be removed if they did not perform 5 admin actions - User talk:Jdforrester#Inactivity. Jdforrester deleted 7 pages after receiving that notice: [1]. Nevertheless, you requested on meta that his admin rights be removed on August 31 [2] and they were. It does not seem to me that Jdforrester met the criteria for de-adminship at Commons:Administrators/De-adminship#De-adminship process as a result of inactivity - he had performed more than 5 admin actions in the past 6 months on August 31. Am I right in thinking that his admin rights should not in fact have been removed? WJBscribe (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the tool told me on the day I checked it (wich was in fact a bit late) he did not perform 5 actions in the period of the last 6 month, wich is true. But I believe if he wants to have his tools back he could ask any beaurocrate (or me and I'll do the rest) to give them back, because its an unclear case. I hope this helps. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 12:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token 160c3266a85b8c2c9918ecfd658a705a

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! abf /talk to me/ 15:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Blurb. abf /talk to me/ 15:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


So... Jdforrester should be resysopped? Or should not? Did he reaffirm? I got a mail pointing to your archive but I'm a bit confused. Thanks for clarifying. I'll watch here, you can answer here. ++Lar: t/c 21:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Bastique has resysopped James [3]. WJBscribe (talk) 21:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I am a bit confused why this was not able to stay on-wiki and had to go the way threw mail, but I hope now everything is fine concerning this topic. Thanks Bastique and Lar. abf /talk to me/ 07:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


Hallo, ich sehe, dass eine Datei von mir gelöscht wurde. Habe das Wort "Sauerland" – gesprochen von meinem Sohn – aufgenommen: Image:Sauerland.ogg. Wo genau lag das Problem in der Lizenzierung? Danke. Simplicius (talk) 09:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Auch, wenn du wahrscheinlich sein gesetzlicher Vormund bist, hat dein Sohn meines Erachtens Urheberrechte. Das die Datei nicht von dir persönlich stammt war klar zu hören. Danach habe ich dich um eine Genehmigung des Urhebers an das OTRS gebeten. Da diese nach einer Woche nicht erfolgte musste die Datei gelöscht werden, deren enzyklopädischen Sinn ich aber auch noch nicht so ganz verstanden habe. Ganz einfach zu merken ist die permission-sache so: "Alles, was nicht vom Uploader selbst angefertigt wurde bedarf einer Genehmigung an das OTRS, es sei denn es ist anderweitig ersichtlich, dass die Datei frei lizensiert ist (z.B. entsprechender Eintrag auf der Quell-Website". Viele Grüße, abf /talk to me/ 17:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, IANAL aber liegt denn bei geschäftsunfähigen Inhabern eines Rechts das jeweilige Recht nicht beim gesetzlichen Vormund? --S[1] 09:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
ich auch nich, aber da weder Alter noch sonst was ähnliches angegeben ist wüsste ich nicht warum ich davon auszugehen hätte. abf /talk to me/ 13:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Your messages 'Wikimedia Commons has a specific scope'

You dropped me two notes concerning a possible deleting of one or more of my images on Commons. Would you be so kind to name these images or to specify what your messages mean. --Eva K. tell me about it 09:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: If you mean that article 'Baunatal': If I ever created that, it was not for purpose but a mistake. For me it's a little overkill to inform me that way about just nothing. Calm down, don't wikistress yourself out. --Eva K. tell me about it 10:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that article was menat and I only went the regular way, so I belive its not me who should calm down. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 11:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I wanted to drop this note only once, sorry. abf /talk to me/ 11:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you'd add a more informative message to the template so that users know to what subject it applies. I felt somewhat irritated about the message because it was so meaningless beyond it's general content. --Eva K. tell me about it 14:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you can mention this at Template talk:Project scope. abf /talk to me/ 15:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You delated a page : Georges Blanc

Hello ABF,
No problem for me if this page has no place here. In fact, I created it only because I thought it was the thing to do (obligatoire). So, it's quite well like that. Just a question however, and if I don't disturb you : why sometimes there is a page and sometimes only a category ? Once again sorry to have done vrong. Cordialement, --Wikinade (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Its only because we have no clear consensus about it :S abf /talk to me/ 15:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm going to read this, --Wikinade (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)



Just a quistion.... I am now a admin for two weeks.. How did you think it is going? You have any hints or better way's for me?

cheers, Sterkebaktalk 12:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, give the tools back, worse sysop! :P No, I can faithfully not see anything bad in a first review of your actions, but I do not have the time for a detailed one. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 15:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Smiley.png, i am trying to do more now. First just deleting copyvio. Now i am trying with deletion reqeust. I think it all will be alright. Sterkebaktalk 16:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I know something to improove ;) try using the preview ;) But btw. I also do not use it for discussion-entrys normally ;) Regards, abf /talk to me/ 13:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

i screwed up yesterday. I think i give the crat's a reasson to desysop. I protected my talkpage because there was a dutch vandal was putting cross wiki problems on it. (see villagepump) i dont understand why the dutch trolls keep coming to me :( Sterkebaktalk 07:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, protecting the own talk full is not good, but mistakes are human and they only want you to do more mistakes :S So my tipp: If someone anoys you, dont reply, just ignore. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 11:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


Commons requires a little tiding.

Hi, thanks for trusting me as admistrator. I will be trying to make a good use of this tools, and using it with care. Surely this will motivate me to work more on the project, as well as in other areas ;) Sfu (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No Problem, have fun with the tools. abf /talk to me/ 11:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)