User talk:Tõsine

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Tõsine!
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Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Tõsine!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

Uploadwizard-categories.png

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations"). Pro-tip: The CommonSense tool can help you find the best category for your image.

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

CategorizationBot (talk) 14:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, robot, for uncategorizing my pictures! I will not categorize my pictures any more!--Tõsine (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I checked the Raudoja algus.jpg (your first upload). There are a lot of categories, but those categories don't exist in Commons. You can see all categories are in red. Probably, you'll find suitable categories among subcategories of category:Estonia.--Pere prlpz (talk) 21:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback! As you noticed, this was my first upload ever and then I was not familiar with categorizatioin principles. Actually I missed cathegorization option when uploading this one, and added categories manually afterwards. But for next uploads I used categories offered by the upload form. But this stupid bot removed those as well.--Tõsine (talk) 5:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
As I can see in the file historial, the bot didn't remove any category in this file - this is the bot only edition in this file. I think you accidentaly removed some of the categories when adding a location.--Pere prlpz (talk) 10:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
This (http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Raudoja_algus.jpg&diff=next&oldid=63594023) is my attempt to restore categories after I got message from the bot, that my picture does not have categories. As you can notice there, the earlier categories were different than later ones, because at first I added categories by just writing categories that came into my mind and sound to be relevant. The categories added on second attempt were copied from another picture, where I used categories that were available when I used upload form. Both variants disappeared completely without my interference! When I got notices from the bot I checked pages of my images and my categories were vanished completely. If they are visible now, then someone has restored them. --Tõsine (talk) 15:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
The categories restored in the edition you pointed don't exist and have never existed as far as I can see (i.e. the category page has never been create). The only existing category among them is Category:Eesti kaitsealad, that is completely wrongly created, since the category is not included in any other category - it's just included in itself, and this renders it absolutely useless.
Anyway, I'm not here to find who caused the problem, or who is guilty or not. I'm just trying to help if I can. Then, I suggest you to find suitable categories among the subcategories of category:Estonia and to read commons:Categories.--Pere prlpz (talk) 15:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Ok, the Category:Eesti kaitsealad was created by me. And I figured out, that the problem is, that there is no relevant Estonian categories present and even if corresponding English categories have Estonian translation, they actually are unavailable in Estonian. The upload form listed me those absent categories because some other users had used those absent Estonian categories before me. It is clear for me now how to correctly create categories in English (I did Category:Breakwaters in Estonia) but it is unclear how to use Estonian categories (translated from existing English categories). --Tõsine (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Category names in Commons are in English. To help speakers of Estonian to find the categories in Commons you can make category redirects, or you can link categories in Commons from the correspondent category in Estonian Wikipedia with the et:Mall:Commonsi kategooria template.
Images in non existing categories should be moved to existing ones.--Pere prlpz (talk) 15:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your patience and thorough explanations! It is clear now, that I had wrong expectations about how the Commons works. --Tõsine (talk) 17:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Commons is a multilingual project. You can't make a "Commons in Estonian", but you can work in Commons to make it more useful to Estonian people and Estonian Wikipedia, and more able to be surfed in Estonian. For example, you can write Estonian descriptions for Estonian-related categories and files, and even to all categories in Commons, and link categories in Commons to and from as many categories in Estonian Wikipedia as possible. That would be similar to what I and others are doing in Catalan, and to what a lot of people are doing in their languages.--Pere prlpz (talk) 16:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I do not try to create Estonian Commons. But I had wrong expectation, that if category has translation tag (like category:Lakes of Estonia et:Kategooria:Eesti järved), then it is possible to use this category in Estonian too. --Tõsine (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)