Commons:Deletion requests/File:Éric Zemmour 10-2021.jpg

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File:Éric Zemmour 10-2021.jpg

Missing legal information : no permission given by the public personality E. Zemmour, unique subject of this photo. 2A02:8440:5240:A89D:4F24:94B7:1E10:A709 19:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

File:Éric Zemmour 10-2021 (cropped).jpg

Missing legal information : no permission given by the public personality E. Zemmour, unique subject of this photo. 2A02:8440:5240:A89D:4F24:94B7:1E10:A709 19:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

•  Keep for both. Given that the uploader had a photographic session with Sarah Knafo, I think he does have all the necessary permissions to publish this photo. In any case, Zemmour is undeniably a public person, this photo was clearly taken during a public event, and his photo is clearly of an informational interest, thus according to the French law a permission is not mandatory — NickK (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Disagree, because : "according to the French law a permission is not mandatory", provided no commercial use of the picture will be done ("à condition que votre dignité soit respectée et votre image ne soit pas utilisée dans un but commercial"). The CC BY-SA 4.0 licence chosen by the uploader for this picture authorizes anyone to "remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially" : French law is NOT respected here. 109.210.151.181 16:28, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

No, that's not what the law says. Neither Code civil nor Code pénal introduce this distinction. If you read fr:Droit à l'image des personnes en France in detail, it rather mentions that these are two different dimensions:

• conditions where the image was taken. This is clearly an image of a public personality in a public place. Moreover, we know that the photographer arranged a private photo shooting of Sarah Knafo, thus he clearly is not a stranger.
• conditions of the usage of the photo. For example, it states that no matter how the picture was taken, it cannot be use to commercially promote works of this person without their agreement: l'utilisation de l'image d'une personne pour en promouvoir les œuvres doit avoir été autorisée par celle-ci. This basically means {{Personality rights}}.

To sum up, you can hardly get a blanket permission to use any photo of any French person for any commercial purpose. The main criterion is privacy, and there is no reason to see this photo violates it — NickK (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

•  Comment Taken in a public space so no reason to delete. However it seems strange that the uploader (who have a history of copyvio) waited two weeks to upload this picture (see here for context). --Thibaut (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Since Cheep seems active on frwiki and didn’t bother to reply, changing my vote to  Delete. --Thibaut (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
    • Plusieurs de mes photos ont été supprimées car j'attendais un ticket VRTS qui n'est pas venu. Pour le reste, je confirme qu'il s'agit d'un travail personnel (j'ignorais que l'on devait utiliser un appareil identique à chaque fois et publier les photos dans la minute où elles ont été prises). Cheep (talk) 09:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
      • @Thibaut120094: une réponse ? Cheep (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
        • I’ll let the Commons community judge. --Thibaut (talk) 15:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
• Strong  Keep about personality right. As we say in France, nul ne plaide par procureur: no one can ask a deletion because of personality right except Eric Zemmour or his representative. Mathis B (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC). However we have to be sure it is not a copyvio. Mathis B (talk) 11:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

  @Cheep ça ne semble pas être un travail personnel, sinon pourquoi cette photo se retrouve sur des sites de presse ? Exemple : https://www.radioclassique.fr/magazine/articles/presidentielle-2022-eric-zemmour-lache-par-jean-marie-le-pen/ et sur twitter des mois avant que vous la mettiez en ligne ? Ça semble être une violation de copyright.

  @Mathis B

  STRONG DELETE Malaria28 (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

  @Malaria28: l'article de Radio Classique que vous mentionnez a été publié le 17 novembre alors que la photo a été téléchargée sur Commons le 13 novembre : argument non recevable. Concernant Twitter, je demande les liens... Cheep (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I doubt it’s own work. The uploader uploaded a copyvio of Le Pen before. --Polarlys (talk) 19:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

No. I only uploaded a cropped file uploaded by another user. Cheep (talk) 14:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

•  Keep No evidence has been presented that this is likely copyvio. I believe the explanations Cheep has given. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Kept: no valid reason for deletion - If one wishes to renominate this file with another policy-based rationale, they are able to do so. I will defer to other administrators to review it. Happy holidays. --Missvain (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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File:Éric Zemmour 10-2021.jpg

The uploader was caught today (English) has being part of a cell created by the Éric Zemmour electoral campaign team to promote Éric Zemmour on Wikimedia wikis.

It is reasonable to believe that the photo was provided by the campaign team to Cheep because he’s an experienced editor and that permission is needed from the actual photographer. We should apply COM:PCP. Thibaut (talk) 12:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Bonjour, pour information, ces photos mentionnent le même numéro de série de l'appareil dans les données EXIF.--Thesupermat (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

bien vu ! Hsarrazin (talk) 15:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

En faisant une recherche sur le numéro de série de l'appareil photo, on trouve bien des photos prises avec un Canon 6D dans des articles de presse mais qui ne sont pas créditées Cheep ou IllianDerex. Je tairai ici le nom du vrai photographe mais je l’invite à nous envoyer une autorisation sur COM:VRTS/fr. Thibaut (talk) 16:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Je n'ai pas compris : qu'est-ce qui indique que ce ne serait pas Cheep l'auteur de la photo ? O.Taris (talk) 07:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Si tu cherches le numéro de série du Canon 6D, "223054001617", par exemple sur https://www.stolencamerafinder.com/home?searchType=manual, tu trouves une photo de Michel Houellebecq, créditée "© Hugues Duchêne" chez France Inter. Totodu74 (talk) 10:43, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Merci pour l'explication. O.Taris (talk) 20:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Delete Uploader discredited on wikipedia in French as part of "WikiZedia". This is enough to discredit this contribution and apply, as proposed, the precautionary principle by deleting this suspicious upload (for the context see also The Guardian)

PS: The derived images should also be removed. --Madelgarius (talk) 12:45, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

•  DeleteJe pense aussi que cette image n'a pas sa place vu l'origine plus que douteuse et partisane de ce/ces contributeur(s) Swann.seinfeld (talk) 13:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  DeletePer Thibaut120094.--Lefringant (talk) 14:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Delete Vu l'attitude du contributeur, qui est désormais blacklisté sur le wikifr et qui a un historique de contenu copyviolé, et malgré la probable autorisation, je pense aussi qu'il faut appliquer COM:PCP Epithelyann (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 Delete file uploaded by a bannished (or bound to be in a couple of hours) felon-user JohnNewton8 (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Weak delete per COM:PCP. Can't assume Cheep's good faith anymore. Mathis B (talk) 15:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Weak delete Although the true photographer might have agreed on having their work uploaded, I concur with Mathis B that we should stick to COM:PCP here. Totodu74 (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete Per Mathis B and Thibaut. Gyrostat (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete Per above Mathis B and Thibaut, and in consideration of COM:PCP. ----d-n-f (talk) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Keep. I agree with none of the arguments raised by the advocates of deletion.
  1. Cheep was banned severeal months after the upload. This ban does not imply the file sould be removed (no ex post facto penality).
  2. The fact that the upload of a good quality image is part of a strategy to promote Eric Zemmour and Sarah Knafo is also not a point for me; I don’t believe the reason why a file had been uploaded should be taken into consideration. In this particular case, it is the role of French Wikipedia to ensure the article about Eric Zemmour is not an hagiograpy, which does not exclude high quality illustrations.
  3. There are plenty of works on Commons that are not attributed to the exact human being who did it, but by the name of an organization the author was involved in when they realized the work. Examples of this are the whole category Logos or this series of pictures. As far as I know, Cheep was banned precisely because he was part of the campaign team of Eric Zemmour. Even if the actual person who pressed the button of the camera was not Cheep but another member of the campaign team who later allowed Cheep to upload the picture, I don’t think it would be big deal. An better alternative to deletion would be to change the {{Self}} attribution to something like “Eric Zemmour’s campaign team”, if what is at stake is really the accuracy of attribution. Pic-Sou (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

     Except that in this series of pictures, there’s a VRTS permission from the photographer. --Thibaut (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

     Except the pictures are not attributed to a human, but to an organization. --Pic-Sou (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

     It’s the same for humans or organisations, we need permission from the actual copyright holder: COM:VRT#Licensing images: when do I contact VRT? Thibaut (talk) 20:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Delete Uploader deceptively acted on behalf of an organization, taking direct orders from Zemmour's online campaign manager. One can reasonably assume his “own work” claim was one of his many lies. ^›› Fugitron - 20:45, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete - Permission must be from the photographer, nobody or nothing else in this case. - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 20:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete - Permission must be from the photographer, nobody or nothing else in this case. --Panam2014 (talk) 11:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Keep. I agree with Pic-Sou arguments raised above.--Emigré55 (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete Agree with Thibaut's argumentation. Culex (talk) 15:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete Cheep has been proven to be a liar, therefore we can't rely on his allegation to be the author of this picture, which lacks a proper permission from the actual author. Hr. Satz 03:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Delete Uploader has been caught at massive POV-pushing on French Wikipédia as a member of the entourage of Zemmour for his electoral campaign. + Multiple previous cases of copyvio.--Eunostos (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Thibaut120094, Thesupermat, Hsarrazin, Thibaut120094, O.Taris, Madelgarius, Swann.seinfeld, Lefringant, Epithelyann, JohnNewton8, Mathis B, Do not follow, Pic-Sou, Fugitron, Richardkiwi, Panam2014, Emigré55, Culex, Herr Satz, and Eunostos: I just nominated File:Éric Zemmour meeting Villepinte 12-2021.jpg for deletion, according to Thesupermat's comment above: "même numéro de série de l'appareil dans les données EXIF". See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Éric Zemmour meeting Villepinte 12-2021.jpg. Totodu74 (talk) 10:31, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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Deleted: per nomination. — Racconish ^💬 16:36, 17 March 2022 (UTC)