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- Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Natural
- Info Landscape around the Elim Dune, Sossusvlei, Namibia. c/u/n by me, Poco2 13:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Poco2 13:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support Excellent panorama with crisp details even at (very high) full resolution. Cmao20 (talk) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Also, Poco a poco, I think you may have forgotten to add a category for this (and for the Canadian panorama below). Cmao20 (talk) 14:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oops, true, sorry, just added it. Thanks for the letting me know Cmao20, Poco2 16:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support Charles (talk) 14:49, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- EATCHA (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support Good. --Milan Bališin (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Yann (talk) 17:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Cayambe (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --BoothSift 21:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support 😄 ArionEstar 😜 21:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --XRay talk 07:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Shadow is underexposed. --Hockei (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- +1. It makes the whole thing look "burned". --Cart (talk) 08:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Question What does +1. mean? Comment For me the picture is too dark and/or has too much contrast. You have to try out that. --Hockei (talk) 09:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hockei: Cart's +1 means that he agrees with you. Will check the contrast in 3-4 hours when I am at home Poco2 09:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral Better but still too dark for me. --Hockei (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ah. Thanks. --Hockei (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, that's right. And Poco, after all the times I've said it, you still don't know I'm a "she"? --Cart (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hockei, Cart: I've reduced the contrast a bit, not sure whether you were expecting more, but guys, it was noon (look at the shadows) and I was under the sun in a desert. FYI too Lucas, Poco2 21:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Sorry, Cart, yes, sure, I know that but I didn't pay attention and wrote without thinking what is (unfortunately) more then likely
- Sorry, I'm not impressed by this. I've seen what you can do with light and shadows in dark church interiors and night photos so I'm expecting the same technical level in a daytime photo. --Cart (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Cart: A big portion of a church is in shadow and often there are stainglasses with incoming light, you definitely need to increase the dynamic range in such an scene using HDR, I don't think that this measure is appropiate here, where the areas in shadow are maybe 2% of the whole image. --Poco2 23:08, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- You misunderstood me. What I mean is that you are very good at handling the light, even in difficult situations (I just gave two examples), so in that regard I expect the same level in any photo you nominate. --Cart (talk) 23:23, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 10:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose As it is the shadows are drowned too much / too high contrast per Hockei. – Lucas 14:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Wolfgang Moroder (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- George Chernilevsky talk 19:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support Reminds me of the day I was in Wadi Rum even though I know it's not Wadi Rum. Daniel Case (talk) 01:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Hockei and my comment above. --Cart (talk) 08:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Piotr Bart (talk) 12:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose over-processed, made unnatural --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- S. DÉNIEL, can you please elaborate that comment? What is in your eyes overprocessed in this image? the fact that I see no point in raising the exposure of that couple of shadows is actually because the image wouldn't look to me realistic --Poco2 18:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Certainly, i can. I don't speak about shadows but the sky. Two pictures, same country, same photographer, same hour.
- File:Spitzkoppe, Namibia, 2018-08-04, DD 44-50 PAN.jpg
- Rendu naturel.
- File:Duna Elim, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 165-162 PAN.jpg
- Rendu avec retouche du ciel excessive. --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 07:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Certainly, i can. I don't speak about shadows but the sky. Two pictures, same country, same photographer, same hour.
- Comment I'm no landscape photography expert, but I know Africa and Namibia well. I struggle to understand the technical criticisms. The light and shadows seem true-to-life as does the processing. Charles (talk) 22:05, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Je ne suis un expert de rien, mais ma pratique de Photoshop est assez avancée pour reconnaître une retouche surtout quand celle-ci est complètement loupée. Une frange très fine est visible sur la dune à gauche. C’est la marque d’un détourage. La partie très claire sur l’horizon au-dessus du grand arbre est le reste du ciel non-retouché. Ce n’est pas un rendu naturel. Poco a posé un dégradé de couleur pour rendre son ciel azur et avoir un résultat proche de ce que l’on obtient avec un polarisant. Il n’est pas le seul à faire ce genre bidouille. Beaucoup de personnes aiment ça et votent pour eux, pas moi, désolé. --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 08:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Info S. DÉNIEL, désolé, mais vous ne pouvez inclure aucune autre photo que la nommée dans une candidature. Le FP Bot va le lire comme une alternative. Vous devez simplement mettre les liens vers l'autre photo. J'ai corrigé ça maintenant.(I'm sorry, but you can't include any other photos that the nominated in a nomination. The Bot will read it as an Alternative. You have to just put the links to the other photo. I have fixed that now.) --Cart (talk) 10:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Désolé, merci de la correction. Et si je rajoute des balises Nowiki?--S. DÉNIEL (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Si vous utilisez ces balises, le lien ne fonctionnera pas (example: [[File:Duna Elim, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 165-162 PAN.jpg]]). Il suffit d’écrire les liens comme je l’ai fait ci-dessus avec le ":" entre les crochets. Le texte en gras, en utilisant le '''...''' rendra le lien plus visible. --Cart (talk) 13:18, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Je pensais plutôt à garder les images visibles et mettre des balises Nowiki pour qu'elle ne soit pas pris en compte par le bot. La comparaison visuelle, side by side, me semble plus parlante. --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oui, il est toujours préférable d'avoir une comparaison visible, mais ici, elle pourrait aussi être mal interprétée. J'ai vu des utilisateurs voter pour des photos qui étaient des exemples parce qu'ils pensaient que c'était un "Alt". Mais si vous pouvez trouver un moyen de montrer des images qui ne perturbent pas la fermeture du nom par le FP Bot, vous pouvez l'essayer. Il serait intéressant de voir quel code vous utiliseriez. --Cart (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well that's very interesting! The two photos... Poco a poco: can you respond to S. DÉNIEL's observations on the sky colour and fringe on the dunes. Have you added blue? Charles (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- If you want to compare I'd rather compare 1) images taken at the same time 2) at the same place 3) the same day, which rather applies to these other 2 images that became FP in the last weeks: File:Dead Vlei, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 086.jpg (19 supports, no oppose, no neutral), File:Dead Vlei, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 101-104 PAN.jpg (17 supports, no oppose, no neutral). Neither those images nor this one look retouched to me. This image has got no special processing (no blues, no extra contast, no WB adjustment). This weekend I can provide more elaborate feedback. Poco2 19:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's what I expected, but I thought I should ask. My support vote stands. Charles (talk) 21:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Vous demandez sérieusement qu'on la compare avec d’autres photos retouchées avec le même technique? Tous ce que ça montre c’est que ce n’est pas la première fois que vous faites ça. Je maintiens que la comparaison ci-dessus est pertinente : Two pictures, same country, same photographer, same hour. --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Be patient, S. DÉNIEL and wait for the 'more elaborate feedback' this weekend. Charles (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- I can say it louder but not more clear than this: this image, along with the other 2 FPs that got a bunch of supportin votes, have not been processed in any different way than all other pictures I have taken in the last years. They use my standard settings, the only different between them is the (automatic) WB. I played around with it and I do believe that the current WB setting is pretty realistic. You are IMHO judging too simply, have you checked the altitude of those sites?: Elim Dune is 870m, Dead Vlei 640m and Spitzkoppe about 1500m. Have you seen the skies of my Bolivia collection?? Look at this or this, those are 4000m high, even more retouched than this one?. Have you actually been to any of these places and seen it with your own eyes? Poco2 19:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ne renversons pas les rôles s'il vous plaît. C'est vous qui avez insisté pour avoir une explication (pour ne pas dire une justification) de mon vote. Personnellement je ne vous demande rien. Je détaille mon avis qui repose sur des éléments factuels dont je laisse chacun juger ce qu’il veut. Vos soutiens n'ont rien a voir avec une explication technique concernant un phénomène physique. Ce n'est pas un concours de popularité où c'est celui qui a le plus d'étoiles qui à raison.
À ma connaissance, un changement de balance des blancs ne peut pas expliquer l’apparition d’un dégradé sur un ciel. L'altitude n'explique pas non-plus qu’un ciel clair sans nuage change complètement en quelques minutes et encore moins quand le soleil est au zénith !!! Je n'ai nul besoin d'aller en Bolivie, dans l’Antarctique ou a Tambouktou pour savoir qu'un canon 5D est un très bon appareil photo, un instrument de capture de la lumière efficace. Ce n'est pas lui qui fait ça à vos photos.
Enfin s'attaquer à mon niveau de compréhension (IMHO judging too simply) n'est franchement pas ce qu'on attend d'un admin. ça ressemble a une intimidation de quelqu'un a bout d'arguments. Je viens de faire le travail de comparaison de photos que vous avez demandé. Il est visible sur la page de discussion et les dates et les heures sont indiquées. J'insiste encore : je n'attends aucune explication, vous pouvez dire ce que vous voulez ou de ne rien dire mais il est inutile de mettre en cause mes compétences car ce n'est pas le sujet. Merci,--S. DÉNIEL (talk) 12:38, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Fine, I'm a liar, reviewers here have no clue and I am an intimidating admin. Over and out. --Poco2 18:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- The best way Poco2 to convince S. DÉNIEL would be to let him see the RAW or straight-out-of-camera file. Charles (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- No problem with that --Poco2 16:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ne renversons pas les rôles s'il vous plaît. C'est vous qui avez insisté pour avoir une explication (pour ne pas dire une justification) de mon vote. Personnellement je ne vous demande rien. Je détaille mon avis qui repose sur des éléments factuels dont je laisse chacun juger ce qu’il veut. Vos soutiens n'ont rien a voir avec une explication technique concernant un phénomène physique. Ce n'est pas un concours de popularité où c'est celui qui a le plus d'étoiles qui à raison.
- If you want to compare I'd rather compare 1) images taken at the same time 2) at the same place 3) the same day, which rather applies to these other 2 images that became FP in the last weeks: File:Dead Vlei, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 086.jpg (19 supports, no oppose, no neutral), File:Dead Vlei, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 101-104 PAN.jpg (17 supports, no oppose, no neutral). Neither those images nor this one look retouched to me. This image has got no special processing (no blues, no extra contast, no WB adjustment). This weekend I can provide more elaborate feedback. Poco2 19:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support I don't think that the picture is overprocessed and the shadows are also fine to me.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support Per Kiril --Llez (talk) 03:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I marked a stitching error. Can you fix it please? It's where the road ends at the horizon, right at the bottom of the mountains. --Podzemnik (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Podzemnik, thanks for your comment. It helped me to improve the picture, I also fixed the tilt and improved the perspective, there was room for improvement, which I don't see in the colors... Poco2 19:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, thank you too! Quite an epic landscape with a nice composition and some animals as bonus. Support --Podzemnik (talk) 10:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Podzemnik, thanks for your comment. It helped me to improve the picture, I also fixed the tilt and improved the perspective, there was room for improvement, which I don't see in the colors... Poco2 19:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Tournasol7 (talk) 06:38, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Harlock81 (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Ermell (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Places/Natural
The chosen alternative is: File:Duna Elim, Sossusvlei, Namibia, 2018-08-06, DD 165-162 PAN.jpg