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Help with commons link from WP

Hi Mike, in Commons I deleted three of the Redirects on the South Korea category for COVID-19 as it was taking 4 or 5 clicks to get there from the Wikimedia Commons link on the Wikipedia page for the virus [1]. However, the metadata is messed up and I don't know how to fix it. It is now linking to the non-existent page. [2] Perhaps I should have left the first Redirect and only deleted the others. I don't have much experience with this. Can you please fix it? Thanks.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 06:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bonnielou2013: It looks like it's working OK at the moment? In general, use {{Category redirect}} to point each of the old categories to the latest one. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Letting you know I'm using one of your photos off wikipedia

Hi Mike. Per your request, I'd like to update you that I'm using a photo of yours in my website off wikipedia. The picture I'm using is File:Lachish_Relief,_British_Museum_9.jpg. I cropped the photo to highlight the part showing a tree which is theoretically a Sycamore. I'm using this as part of a review of bible plants, appearing in the bible study website alamapa.com. The page on the Sycamore (still under construction) on http://alamapa.com/bplant/%d7%a9%d7%a7%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%9d/ It is in Hebrew, so I guess you wouldn't be able to read it. Like all the pictures on alamapa.com, one can click on the small (i) icon on the bottom left to get to the wikimedia page with all the author and license information. I also added a subtitle mentioning your name, and used the proposed "use this file" text which also points to your website. Please let me know if there is a problem with such usage, so I could remove the picture. Thanks, Allon Adir. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.139.83.1 (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for letting me know! Mike Peel (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Category:Gwy_House

Gwy House has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Andy Dingley (talk) 08:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Not sorting by surname

Hello Mike, a curiosity (or a puzzle for you , you decide): I created the category Giuseppe Pauri which item has, correctly the surname "Pauri" as value for property p734: now, why isn't Giuseppe Pauri automatically included in Pauri (surname) though the latter is correctly linked to the item on Wikidata (Q90901544)? Thanks in advance. -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 14:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Blackcat: Pauri (Q90901544) has no English label, add it and it should show up in the category. Sorry, I haven't implemented using the sitelinks for surnames yet. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Mike. I apologize if I abuse once more of your patience, I noticed that your template allows automatic categorization for received award thanks to the Wikidata property P2517; I wanted to know whether you're going to implement that also for other kinds of associations, like i.e. alumni or faculty of colleges, players of a sports teams and so on (or, if you've already done and I don't know, of course). Regards, -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 14:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Blackcat: Only award categories are included like that at the moment, but others could be added if you have a good example/mapping for them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm.... mapping like what? -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 16:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Blackcat: For Category:Rod Davies, Rod Davies (Q7356166) has award received (P166)=Commander of the Order of the British Empire (Q12201477), which has category for recipients of this award (P2517)=Category:Commanders of the Order of the British Empire (Q8921573), which then has the sitelink to Category:Commanders of the Order of the British Empire. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Now I understand, thanks. Regards, -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 17:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata infobox with/without some P971 values

Hello, the new version of Wikidata infobox shows some category combines topics (P971) values but seems to ignore others. In Category:Churches in France, it displays informations only about the concept of "church". In Category:Interior of the Church of Saint Catherine of Alexandria (Sloup v Čechách), it shows info for both the concept of "building interior" and for the specific church building. Why is that so and can we somehow set the infobox so that it doesn't show too general concepts such as "building interior"? I gathered that you are working on the infobox based on your comments on Template_talk:Wikidata_Infobox. Sorry in advance if you don't have nothing to do with this :) --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 20:21, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vojtěch Dostál: It's a new infobox feature, and I'm still refining it. In particular, it's run into performance issues, so I've had to stop it from displaying information about countries (they are too large and cause timeouts), which is why you only see 'church' in your first example. I can add more exceptions, but I want to minimise the number of QIDs that are hard-coded - perhaps building interior (Q30062422) is one I should add to the exception list though. Thoughts welcome. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

If you could blacklist building interior (Q30062422) that would be cool. Two Wikidata editors have independently raised this on our Czech discussion and said that it looks a bit weird to display information on building interior. In future you might decide to filter out all general items which have subclass of (P279). This would make the infobox unusable in "Churches of France" though. --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 06:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vojtěch Dostál: I've added the building interior (Q30062422) filter to the {{Wikidata Infobox/sandbox}}, how does that look? I'll update the main version soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Looks great to me! Thanks, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Logic of moving Wikidata "Other sites" Commons categories from Wikidata items to Wikidata category items

Hello, how did https://bitbucket.org/mikepeel/wikicode/src/master/commonscat_move_from_P910.py come about? Another way to ask this is when your bot https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q15884984&diff=next&oldid=1167002138 autotransferred the Commons Category:WikiProject New York City "Other sites" sitelink from Wikidata WikiProject New York City (Q15884984) to Wikidata Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198), unless an editor knows to look in the page history for Wikidata WikiProject New York City (Q15884984) (possibly scrolling back years), the only clue an editor has that your bot made the change is a vague "Could not save due to an error." message on Wikidata--is that the way you intended it to work? Thanks in advance for the enlightenment. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 10:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield: I'm not sure how you're seeing an error? The bot task approval is at d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 6, which includes some discussion about it. In WikiProject New York City (Q15884984), you can see the move in the history of the page, and you can also see a value for topic's main category (P910) - follow that and you'll find the category item with the sitelink. It follows the standard convention that commons category sitelinks should be on the category items where they exist, which means interwikis work from en:Category:WikiProject New York City for example (and for the sidebar link from articles, see phab:T232927). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. It occurs to me that I should have used your Wikidata talk page, but I'll just keep going here.

Your statement	My response
I'm not sure how you're seeing an error?	Edit "Other sites" on WikiProject New York City (Q15884984) Fill in "commons" for wiki and "Category:WikiProject New York City" for page Click "publish" Black text error message on pink background appears: "Could not save due to an error. The save has failed." Can't the error message state explicitly "This link is managed by Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198)"? Better yet, can't this section present the link sourced from Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198) and disallow editing from WikiProject New York City (Q15884984)'s "Other sites" section altogether?
The bot task approval is at d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 6, which includes some discussion about it.	"I need to see more examples before I can code anything more complicated than that, can you point me to any?" stands out. It seems to me that I've stumbled upon an aspect of your implementation that could be improved to require less arcane knowledge.
In WikiProject New York City (Q15884984), you can see the move in the history of the page	Yes, I mentioned this in my original post. Unfortunately, this fact is only apparent after minutes of searching and also because I was fortunate in that it was logged relatively recently. Had I been attempting this years or decades from now, I'm not sure I'd realize that I would need to scroll back pages and pages in the Wikidata item's edit history to find this. More fundamentally I doubt that I could recognize this entry in the Wikidata item's edit history as being somehow connected to my inability to add "Category:WikiProject New York City" in the "Other sites" section at that future date.
and you can also see a value for topic's main category (P910) - follow that and you'll find the category item with the sitelink.	That sounds like a problem in that it is nonobvious. "If I get a vague error when entering a commons category in the "Other sites" section, I should somehow know to automatically consult the "topic's main category" statement (if that statement exists)." Do you believe that no simpler mechanism is possible?
It follows the standard convention that commons category sitelinks should be on the category items where they exist, which means interwikis work from en:Category:WikiProject New York City for example	So if the "other sites" links for WikiProject New York City (Q15884984) are in fact supposed to be managed by Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198), I'd expect WikiProject New York City (Q15884984)'s "other sites" to not appear blank and not appear to be editable. Instead, I'd expect it (WikiProject New York City (Q15884984)'s "other sites") to make it clear that those links are managed by Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198) and provide a convenience link to Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198).

-- DanielPenfield (talk) 10:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield: There's not much I can do about most of your points - they are Wikidata interface questions. You might want to ask them at d:Wikidata:Contact the development team. All I can say is that I automatically check for the existence of topic's main category (P910) before trying to add a new sitelink. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

The usual answer in software development is that the other team will either point the finger back at you or blame management for failing to hire a systems engineer or software architect. Thanks, I think? -- DanielPenfield (talk) 12:20, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield: Sorry, but these do seem to be wikibase/mediawiki software questions, all I do here is write bot code to work with the content, I can't help with the interface. One additional point is that the 'other sites' link is often used for gallery/project pages - in the case of Category:WikiProject New York City (Q8918198), if there was a WikiProject New York City on Commons as well, then Commons:WikiProject New York City would get linked to from 'other sites' in that item. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

discussion at VP

Mike, I tried to ping you from Commons:Village_pump#More_poorly_curated_WD_content_injected_everywhere, but I might or might not succeed. Just letting you know about it in case I did not succeed. --Jarekt (talk) 16:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I've replied there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Blackwater River State Park vs. Blackwater River

I see that back in July 2018, your bot added a Wikidata Infobox for the Blackwater River in Florida to the commons Category:Blackwater River State Park. However, a more correct category for the Category:Blackwater River (Florida) already exists. I tried moving the box, but it gave me a "No Data Found" box, so I restored the incorrect one temporarily, so I could transfer the data from one to the other. ----DanTD (talk) 13:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanTD: this should do the trick. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

That worked. Now I hope you don't mind if I changed the old Blackwater River infobox to Blackwater River State Park. ----DanTD (talk) 14:32, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanTD: Go for it, let me know if you need any more help. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

It looks like I'm going to have to create a whole new one for the park. I'll give it a try, but if I need any help I'll let you know. ----DanTD (talk) 14:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanTD: I think you just need to add the commons sitelink to Blackwater River State Park (Q3364024). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, not only wasn't I able to do that, but I inadvertently created a different commons sitelink to Blackwater River State Park (Q93354625). It's not letting me merge the fake one into the correct one. ----DanTD (talk) 15:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: I got it. All I had to do was remove the commons link from the incorrect one. Now I'll see if I can get the false one deleted. ----DanTD (talk) 15:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Commons - Media Search

Greetings,

The Structured Data team is working on an alternative, image-focused prototype for media search on Commons. The prototype uses categories, structured data as well as wikitext from Commons, and Wikidata to find its results. The development team would like your feedback on the prototype, as they are looking to work to further enhance the search experience on Commons. If you have a moment, please look over the project page set up on Commons to find a link to the prototype and leave your feedback on the talk page. Thanks for your time, I'll be posting message similar to this one to other pages on Commons. The team is looking forward to reading what you think. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church 2017 18.jpg

File:Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church 2017 18.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Martin Sg. (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church 2017 18.jpg

Yours sincerely, Martin Sg. (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Martello towers in the Greater Dublin Area

What is the "Greater Dublin Area"? It has no formal existence as far as I know. It has several informal, inconsistent definitions. May I ask which one are you using for this category, and why? Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully @Financefactz: can explain, also see [3]. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

The Greater Dublin Area is linked in the first sentence of the page. I didn't create that page but there are a lot of mentions of the term from a simple Google search and it seemed appropriate to use given that not all of the towers are in County Dublin however all of the towers were constructed for the purposes of defending the developed area of Dublin and its hinterland in the early 1800's. It isn't to try and take away any individual identity from another area or county or try and subsume their culture into the culture of Dublin. But if you think there is another good name change opportunity which gives it a more accurate name by all means suggest it. I deliberated on leaving out the tower in Drogheda, as did many of the people who have written books on the matter but I also decided to leave it in like most of the people who have written books on the matter. Even still, two of the towers were located in County Wicklow. Other possibilities included;

• Martello Towers in County Dublin (not accurate or correct as some would be outside Dublin County definitively - also, why would you leave out the towers in Bray if they were part of the same defensive unit built with the same defensive purpose - namely to defend Killiney Bay
• Martello Towers in County Dublin and County Wicklow (I felt this didn't really accurately explain that the towers were built to defend Dublin urban areas. It is also a little bit of a mouthful
• Martello Towers on the East Coast of Ireland (this seems a bit vague and misleading to say they are on the east coast of Ireland when they are really focused on a relatively small area of the east coast c.55km of coastline at the max but excluding drogheda it is an even smaller area
• Martello towers in the Dublin urban area
• Martello towers constructed to defend Dublin
• List of Martello towers in Greater Dublin etc. etc.

Other options were not write the page or to split up the page into 2 or 3 pages which again wouldn't make sense because it was all part of the one defensive unit Financefactz (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I understand the dilemma. However most of the solutions proposed look like Original Research. If there are insufficient contents for individual counties, then "east Coast" sounds like the least worst. We should probably take this off Mike's talk page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Financefactz and Laurel Lodged: Please let me know how the discussion goes. I think it makes sense to match the commons categories with the article structures. I'm happy to go through the categories again if there's consensus to structure them differently. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Pi bot is back

Good to see it's adding {{Infobox Wikidata}} again! Thanks. Jura1 (talk) 05:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's thanks to @MArostegui (WMF): et al. for improving the performance of the analytics servers, so the query for candidates to add the infobox to runs again. :-) See phab:T246970 etc. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Nice. 50k todo: has it been that long? Jura1 (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's been a while... For most runs in the last month or so, I've only been looking through the first ~7k or so (and most of those are redirects etc. that the bot skips), as I couldn't get the full run to complete until yesterday. And we are so close to 3 million uses...! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Did the bot run go all the way through? Category:Rosa 'Abracadabra' didn't get one yet. I can try to dig out more if needed. Jura1 (talk) 10:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: No, my internet connection stopped working overnight. I've reset it, and am re-running the query to get a new list to save running through the ones it's already added them to. I'll set it running again this evening. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: Running again now. There are 37,670 to look through (down from 65,595 last time), and the baseline is around 15,000 (redirects, date categories, etc.). So maybe the last bot run got through 40% of the backlog... It's slower to run now than before as it now abides by 'maxlag'. I checked, and Category:Rosa 'Abracadabra' is in the list. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Isn't the lag lower here? (Edits wont be replicated to hundreds of wikis.) Jura1 (talk) 19:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the lag check works, to be honest. The bot script does fetch Wikidata items to do some checks before adding the template, and it also runs in the same directory as scripts that edit Wikidata, perhaps one of those slows it down. Either way, it'll get there eventually. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: That bot run has now completed, after adding 12,929 infoboxes, so the baseline seems to be 25k... We're just short of 3 million now! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, but it must have skipped some: nothing happened on Category:Rosa 'Abracadabra'. Jura1 (talk) 06:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

BTW, there is also Category:Rosa 'Abracadabra' (2004). Jura1 (talk) 06:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: Pi bot says "Category uses dab, skipping". I think I need to improve that check, probably this evening... Although maybe it's worth adding the template to {{Dab}} pages now, since that will work OK when the category is linked to a dab item, and might show up mismatches for when it's linked to non-dab items, since they end up in Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox for disambig pages (which actually needs sorting through already...). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:44, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Both categories are currently not dab pages (and never were, I think). Roses seem to have categories named like that: Category:Rosa 'Ambassador' (1930) and Category:Rosa 'Ambassador'. Jura1 (talk) 07:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: No, it's because "dab" is in "Abracadabra" - the bot just looks for the string 'dab' at the moment! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh .. I went looking for {{dab}}
:)) Jura1 (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: Now running through an updated dataset, and without avoiding dab categories. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Moin Mike Peel, hey, 3 Million. How many categories were there again, so where does the journey go? Regards --Crazy1880 (talk) 19:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: I was also watching the roll-over! :-) Half way there! I think there's around 6 million categories, but I can't find the right statistic right now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• Looks like it's mostly through. This has still some qids starting with Q962.. while d:Q96333369 was done. Jura1 (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

  @Jura1: Another new set, running again now, let's see if that clears the last of these. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

  • All were fairly recent (after June 12). I suppose it doesn't matter that much if it omits some in one run and catches them in the next. Thanks for this! Jura1 (talk) 10:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

OTRS but no license

Hi!

File:NMSLewisChessmen11.jpg have an OTRS but no license template. The text say "Public DomainCC-BY-SA 4.0$". It seems that many of the files with that ticket have the same problem.

Wanna have a look? I can check too but if you know the ticket it is perhaps faster. --MGA73 (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@MGA73: I don't have OTRS access at the moment, sorry. If you can double-check it, I'm happy to help add the license tags. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Great! The license mentioned in the ticket is "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International". --MGA73 (talk) 16:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@MGA73: OK, license templates added, but I left Category:Media without a license: needs history check for now. Could you double check, and I can remove that category on a second pass if they are OK? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Checked! It looks good. There is a bot that removes the category and it was way faster than me lol. --MGA73 (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Great, all sorted then. :-) Thanks for flagging the issue! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Stony Brook Village Center

Thanks for the Wikidata Infobox for the Stony Brook Village Center commons category. Now how can I add a map to that infobox? ----DanTD (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@DanTD: At Stony Brook Village Center (Q18158887), 'add statement', coordinate location (P625), enter the coordinates and save, and the map should auto-appear (after a caching delay). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

"See the title"?

The title is "File:Louis-Nicolas Van Blarenberghe 001.jpg". Please use better arguments[4]. Fram (talk) 06:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Fram: No, that's the filename. The title, just below 'Summary', is "Jacques-Guillaume Van Blarenberghe: Four Landscapes, Representing the Four Seasons". But regardless, go see Rijksmuseum's entry about this painting. thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see. That's taken from Wikidata and doesn't show up in editing mode (where I did the search for his name to see if I had missed anything). Thanks for the explanation. Fram (talk) 06:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Q7214021 vs Q1019420

Hi, this bot repeatedly connects Category:Khet Saphan Sung with item Q7214021 instead of Q1019420. And this is wrong, we usually connect the second-level administrative subdivision with a Category page on Wikicommons. There even was a long discussion about this, but I can't find it. Pescov (talk) 07:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Pescov: The bot is following the established consensus on Wikidata, see discussion at d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 6, and d:User:Mike Peel/Commons linking for an overview of the setup. It makes no difference here on Commons, as {{Wikidata Infobox}} follows category's main topic (P301) to retrieve the data, and e.g., on enwp, topic's main category (P910) is used to go the other way to get the Commons category link. Thanks. 07:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding OTRS permission

Hope you aware that Special:AbuseFilter/69 tagging changes "Adding OTRS permission by non-OTRS member", as it`s also tag filter log for you. I`d like to suggest you to request OTRS permission on Meta, if you can spend time to contribute there. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 15:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@ZI Jony: I'm currently on a break from OTRS, but plan to resume it at some point. I don't think I'm making OTRS related changes since I went on my brake, was there a specific edit that you spotted being tagged by that abuse filter rule, please? Or is it somehow tagging the edits I made when I was OTRS-active? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: , Don't mind, when I was check changes on abuse filters I've noticed that. It was just a suggestion. I think this was a test edit which tagged by that abuse filter. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 17:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Present in work

Hello! I've noticed that the Wikidata infobox in Category:San Francisco has a section titled "Present in work". This doesn't seem like a useful thing to include in these infoboxes, except for possibly fictional characters or places. Would you be able to remove it? Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: Can you raise this at the usual place, Template talk:Wikidata Infobox, so we can hear others' views as well? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Confusing edit

Why did your bot do this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: For consistency and to avoid the redirect. Otherwise it can cause bots confusion (similar cases were causing problems earlier in the deployment of the infobox). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Nice. I'll make sure to avoid that then if it breaks bots. Thanks, Mike. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata infobox on disambiguation page

Hi! I don’t think {{Wikidata infobox}} makes sense on a disambiguation page, the bot should skip it based on the presence of {{Disambig}}/Category:Disambiguation, instance of (P31)=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), or if either of them is present. Infoboxes in disambiguation categories add no real value as these items contain almost no information, but they waste server resources. Thanks for your consideration, —Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

A compact version could do after checking for P31=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410).Jura1 (talk) 10:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: But that still means a query made to Wikidata every time the page is rendered, while it provides no useful data. Pages don’t often change between disambiguation and non-disambiguation state, so not adding the template isn’t likely to prevent the infobox from appearing in legitimate cases. If a disambiguation page somehow turns into a non-disambiguation one (which is even less likely than the other way round), the bot will simply add the infobox during its next run. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 19:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi and Jura1: Pi bot was skipping these until recently, but quite a few were added by other bots/editors, and the check was causing a lot of false positives, so I removed it recently. There are only ~5k categories currently in Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox for disambig pages - so it's not wasting much server resource. I'm also not sure that they aren't useful, in the example you gave of Category:Baja there is no link to Category:Baja (surname) except in the infobox, and the translations provided by the infobox may cover more languages than {{Disambig}}. Are there tweaks that could be made to the infobox to show more or less content in these cases? Also, there are a lot of cases in Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox for disambig pages that shouldn't be linked to from disambig items, and presumably also cases where disambig categories are linked to from category items, that it would be good to fix - and perhaps showing the infoboxes there will help prompt those fixes. Finally, the bot code tries to focus on newly-added links by checking against an older list, so "the bot will simply add the infobox during its next run" isn't necessarily the case (but I clear that old list every so often, so it'll get there eventually). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn’t look for disambiguation links in the infobox. In addition to being below the fold and especially below {{Disambig}}, the purpose of the infobox is simply not disambiguation. Feel free to add these links with bot to the disambiguation list just like how I did that manually now, but the infobox makes no sense for me. Translations—what translations do you mean? The label of Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410)? That doesn’t mean much for someone who isn’t familiar with disambiguation; for those who are familiar, probably the trident icon is enough. As I asked that the presence of {{Disambig}} and/or the presence of P31=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) should be taken into account, simply requiring the presence of both will allow the bot to add the infobox in cases where either the category or the item is not marked as disambiguation. Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: Personally I find it useful to have the infoboxes there. I'd prefer to leave things as they are for now, and revisit this in the future, if that's OK. At the least, Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox for disambig pages seems to be showing up a number of mismatched disambig categories that need cleaning up, and there's probably a search that can be done for categories using both disambig and the infobox to find others. Could you raise this at Template talk:Wikidata Infobox so it doesn't get lost when this page auto-archives, and to get other people's opinions, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Film_male_actors_from_the_United_Kingdom

Category:Film_male_actors_from_the_United_Kingdom has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

E4024 (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Please some advice

Hello, Mike, I've noticed you are both admin colleague and doing categorization. Maybe you can really help, because I don't know further. There is an extremely active categorization user, and he/she systematically violates basic categorization rules such as COM:OVERCAT; just a few examples only from tonight/yesterday [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] etc.pp., but he/she is doing it every single day. If I correct it, they are sabotaging it and reverting [10]. They react very aggressively [11]. I am banned from imposing any administrative action against them, because en:WP:INVOLVED. To complain on COM:ANU, is useless. To ask advice on Commons talk:Categories is useless. At best, they don't care and are not willing to help me; at worst, they are extremely aggressive. I'm sorry to be wasting your time, but this cannot continue this way. I am convinced to do constructive work for Commons; it feels like I have been wrong all the time and my activity is in fact not welcome. What would you advice? Many thanks! --A.Savin 08:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@A.Savin: I'm sorry, I don't have a good solution here. It seems to be part of a long-running issue, I see there are various comments by you on their talk page. I don't think it's easy to resolve, and I don't think I'm the right person to try (I'm not good at mediating these sorts of issues). COM:ANU is probably the best place to ask, but I see you've already tried that. My best suggestion is that you try to avoid interactions with the editor, and try to edit in different parts of Wikimedia Commons - for example, contribute less on categorisation and more on uploading and using photos on Wikidata/Wikipedia/other projects. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I could discontinue editing any categories, though it's hard for me to just ignore vandalism, especially if it is my own improvement that is being destroyed. But I cannot look away if my own pictures are vandalized, each of those means lot of work, research on correct categories, coordinates, and much more. So my own pictures I'll certainly keep maintaining, as long as I'm alive and not WMF Office banned. --A.Savin 21:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

You might have also noticed that I upload a lot of my own photos here. I tend to take a relaxed attitude to how they are categorised, but I don't do as much research on them as you say you do (I don't have enough time, and I figure it's better to share and ask others to help rather than to get things exactly right). Even so, I think part of releasing them under a free content license is that you let the others do what they want with them, and see what happens. If you think you might be at risk of WMF office banning, then I'd definitely encourage you to take a step back - and stay alive. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:At New York, USA 2017 196.jpg

And also:

• File:At New York, USA 2017 207.jpg
• File:At New York, USA 2017 230.jpg

Yours sincerely, Buidhe (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Commons / Defaultsort

Hello. Maybe you could help? The problem is probably of a technical nature and concerns wikidata-infoboxes. In all of the following categories, your bot or user from UKR has removed "defaultsort" and these passwords are sorted in overcategories by first name (given name), not family name (surname)), creating chaos. I do not understand this. This practice has been dragging on for months, damaging the project and destroying the work of others. I categorize files and create specific categories, unfortunately I often feel because of such "cooperation" as Sisyphus. It would be best if your bot would only remove "defaultsort" when "wikidata-infobox" correctly ranks by surname. Category:Władysław Blinstrub, Category:Aleksander Brückner‎, Category:Jerzy Buyno‎, Category:Paweł Csala, Category:Wacław Cypryszewski, Category:Wiktor Czarkowski-Golejewski‎, Category:Ludomir Danilewicz, Category:Melecjusz Dutkiewicz, Category:Leopold Fleischmann, Category:Wiktor Gilewicz, Category:Jerzy Gutsche, Category:Juliusz Hupert‎, Category:Artur Jurkiewicz, Category:Longin Jurkiewicz, Category:Maria Kazecka, ‎Category:Józef Kuberski, Category:Władysław Kunicki, Category:Stanisław Kuniczak‎, Category:Maksymilian Landau‎, Category:Czesław Mierzejewski (1896-1963), Category:Wiktor Mirny‎, Category:Jerzy Młodziejowski‎, Category:Bronisław Młodziejowski (musician)‎, Category:Marian Mostowiec‎, Category:Julian Obirek‎, Category:Wacław Pijanowski, Category:Zygmunt Policiewicz‎, Category:Wilhelm Rappé, Category:Bolesław Rowicki‎, Category:Zdzisław Ruciński, Category:Roman Rudkowski, Category:Tadeusz Schaetzel, Category:Kazimierz Strzegocki‎, Category:Leon Sulkiewicz, Category:Edmund Szalit, Category:Władysław Szepieniec‎, Category:Karol Taube‎, Category:Janusz Witowicz, Category:Eugeniusz Wajgiel, Category:Michał Zenkteler 95.116.249.154 04:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

¡Wiki Loves Earth 2020 en España ya ha comenzado!

¡Hola! Nos alegra anunciar que Wiki Loves Earth 2020 en España ya ha comenzado. Tu participación nos ayudará a documentar la naturaleza de España y mostrarla al mundo a través de Wikipedia y otros proyectos. Por favor, consulta primero las bases del concurso en su página oficial. En ella también puedes conocer cómo participar. Si tienes alguna pregunta, sugerencia o comentario, por favor, no dudes en ponerte en contacto con nosotros.

Gracias,
el comité organizador de Wiki Loves Earth 2020 en España - 09:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Estás recibiendo este mensaje porque ya participaste en el concurso en ediciones anteriores.

Commons category sitelink does not match P373

Thank you again for the info about P373 and the problems you mentioned in the [Village pump]. After starting with that list of 1000 items it seems less difficult than I initially thought. It is in some cases quite time consuming because I need first to have a good overview of the categories and WP pages involved before changing something. The Commons category under "Other sites" is sometimes a redirect category or the category is not very relevant for the WP pages. That means selecting an other category or even creating a new category. I just pick out from the list the ones I think are most relevant. At the same time I check the descriptions. This list is of 1000 items. Do you know the total number of items that require attention? Wouter (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how many there are in total, sorry. The query times out if you remove the 1,000 limit. There's a similar list on enwp at en:Category:Commons category link is locally defined - these are cases where the local commons category link doesn't match the commons sitelink - and there are around 20,000 there now, which I'm steadily working through... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:समाचार

Category:समाचार has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

E4024 (talk) 02:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 01.jpg

And also:

• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 02.jpg
• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 03.jpg
• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 04.jpg
• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 1.jpg
• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 2.jpg
• File:Nelson's Ship in a Bottle 3.jpg

Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Help needed for move of Wikidata infoboxes due to redirection of categories

Hello Mike, maybe you remember I contacted you in February to learn more about the logic behind Wikidata infoboxes applied to vehicle related categories (cp. User talk:Mike Peel/Archive 8#Logic behind Pi Bot's adding of Wikidata infobox to vehicle-related categories on Wikimedia Commons. You offered to work through some examples but then I had none on hand.

Now I need your help because per discussion User talk:Purzelbier#Reichenberger Automobil Fabrik and Rīgas Autobusu Fabrika a couple of vehicle related categories have to be moved/redirected: Category:Imperia vehicles (B) to Category:Imperia vehicles (Belgium); Category:Austin (Michigan) vehicles to Category:Austin vehicles (Michigan); Category:Reichenberger Automobil Fabrik vehicles to Category:RAF vehicles (Reichenberger Automobil Fabrik); Category:RAF vehicles to Category:RAF vehicles (Rīgas Autobusu Fabrika).

What steps are to take to correctly move the infoboxes to the new categories and to combine Wikidata in the proper way? Best--Purzelbier (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Purzelbier: Sorry for the slow reply. If you do a standard move of the categories (using the 'Move' tool, not copy-paste or creating a new category), the sitelinks on Wikidata should automatically be updated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast reply and the information. I'll proceed accordingly, using the "move" tool and check if the Wikidata sitelinks are updated. Best. --Purzelbier (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, let me know if you encounter problems. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add the creator in Wikidata?

I have seen that you created the Category:Wind Trap. I wanted to add in the wikidata the name of the artist "Juan López Salvador", but it does not accept it. How can I have it accepted? Thanks, Wouter (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wouterhagens: You probably need to create a new item for the artist first (I don't think it exists yet), then link to that. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast response. Wouter (talk) 18:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Fimbulthu star stream.png

Hello,

You seem to be knowledgeable about things in the sky (I noticed some recent edits of yours). I tentatively put this file in Category:Supermassive black holes based on enwiki, but I am not at all confident. Would you be willing to check this and judge whether I am off base? Thanks, Krok6kola (talk) 20:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: It's not a black hole, so I think that categorisation is wrong, but I don't think we have a correct one at the moment. We probably need something analogous to en:Category:Stellar streams here, there are a few other files that could go in it too. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hope this is right. This is unknown territory for me. Category:Stellar streams. Lots of very interesting things happening up there! Krok6kola (talk) 21:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Looks good, thanks for making the category! I've added a bit more context/the infobox. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Interwiki migration

Hi! Have you deployed pibot to migrate links as you said in Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2020/08#Interwiki_links_still_not_migrated? Thx!--RZuo (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@RZuo: Yes, I did two run-throughs, are there still cases that it has missed? I'll set another run going now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:27, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:/ the example Category:Serangoon Secondary School was not migrated... i left it untouched to let your bot do it.--RZuo (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@RZuo: It looks like @Jarekt: manually added the sitelink on the 14th, I'm not sure why the category doesn't have an infobox yet though... I'm also now running the script to find categories that need the infobox, will see if it appears in that (it wasn't in the last one on the 22nd). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh very sorry about it! I must've overlooked the wikidata line on left sidebar, thinking it was not migrated. I remember there was another bot that would remove the links on connected pages but I cant remember its name. Is that bot still running?--RZuo (talk) 15:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

i found it, Special:Contributions/YiFeiBot is doing that job, but unfortunately it seems its progress is hindered by ppl who keep adding oldfashioned links to new cats like Category:Norbert Dünkel Category:Żółtnica after WD has gone live for so many years... 🤣

Thank you for the bot jobs and sorry for my neglect.--RZuo (talk) 15:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata:Notability

It's been a year or so since the last request to adjust the notability requirements/standards of Wikidata to include Wikimedia Commons categories, a lot has changed since then. Structured Data has now become a deeply integrated part of Wikimedia Commons and the number people working on these datasets has increased. Due to the enormous dependency of Commonswiki files on Commonswiki categories and because more Commons users have been working on Wikidata to create more items for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC), I think that it might be time to open another request to change the notability standards of Wikidata.

The number of volunteers working on SDC has expanded non-stop and I'm sure that many of these volunteers are also active on Wikidata, as it's the basic mission of Wikidata to help structure all Wikimedia websites, I'm sure that another attempt to expand the notability standards of Wikidata might be necessary for the advancement of both projects. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I just realised that I wrote that whole statement without mentioning the central point, I actually think that you would probably be the person best to express the arguments as to why this major reform of Wikidata policy is necessary, both because of the fact that you're one of the most active SDC volunteers and Wikidata volunteers. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Donald Trung: I think the notability guidelines need a complete rewrite, I've started a draft at d:Wikidata:Notability/sandbox. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Commons - Media Sarch, new feedback round

Greetings,

I'm following up on a message from earlier in the year about the prototype development for Special:MediaSearch. Based on community feedback, the Structured Data team has developed some new features for Special:MediaSearch and are seeking another round of comments and discussions about the tool. Commons:Structured_data/Media_search is updated with details about the new features plus some other development information, and feedback is welcome on Commons talk:Structured_data/Media_search. Media Search works in any language, so the team would especially appreciate input around support for languages other than English. I look forward to reading about what you think. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Open gov't release

Could you please take a look at File:Market Place Kirkby in Ashfield.jpeg which I suspect is copyright to Ashfield District Council (taken on a Samsung phone) per footer and not covered by the licence permission given. Muchas.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Rocknrollmancer: I suspect you're right, you probably want to submit a deletion request. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:59, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Looking further, I have nominated another which over-wrote an existing File, but there are several more, so I will wait for comments or other action before bulk-listing. Thx.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Category:Wikidata infobox maintenance

Moin Moin Mike Peel, for some time now I have been working on these categories. I notice again and again that many entries do not disappear. Therefore I would like to ask for a Purge-Bot again! But I think the cut of 'problems' we have there is now good ;) Regards --Crazy1880 (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: Remind me which categories should be purged? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Moin, what a fast answer, there I'm happy. Those two: Uses of Wikidata Infobox with no instance of and Uses of Wikidata Infobox with no item. For the remaining problems I still have to see how I can 'automate' more. So e.g. add pictures. Thanks --Crazy1880 (talk) 17:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: I've partially run it through Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox with no item up to 'Banana', it seemed to be clearing about 1 in 10 from the category. I've stopped it for the day (when the server is more busy), will restart it tonight. I have a code that searches for the category titles in Wikidata, so I'm running that now to see if that picks up more matches. I'll run through the 'instance of' category this weekend (I want to do some double-checking of the infobox code first). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: Searching for matches is going to take a while (I'm not up to 'A' yet!), so I've restarted the page touches for Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox with no item, will leave it running until it finishes now. With automation, it looks like 'number' (e.g., Category:31068 (number)) and 'photographs of' (e.g., Category:21st-century photographs of Spain) categories are quite common and aren't on Wikidata yet. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Moin Mike Peel, thanks a lot. Yes, there are many objects aren't on Wikidata. Is there actually any possibility that I could do such a 'purge' myself? Regards --Crazy1880 (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: The script I use is at [12], you'll need Python and Pywikibot to run it. It's completed running through the 'no item' category now, I'll start it on 'instance of'. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Moin Mike Peel, I don't have the possibility to do something like that with a bot. Is there a way to use it on 'query.wikidata.org' or something like that, probably not? Maybe we can do this action from time to time? Regards --Crazy1880 (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazy1880: No, I think this has to be done through the API/by bot, not through the query service. I can run it occasionally, but it's normally best to let the servers auto-identify which categories need to be updated (we can use the script very occasionally to clear out cases that the server misses). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Querries for Wikimedia Commons

Hi Mike, is it possible to create a gallery that will be updatable using {{Wikidata list}} to display the result of such a querry?

#shows files that depict athletics competitors and with the Valued Image assessment 
#defaultView:ImageGrid
SELECT ?file ?image
WITH
{
  SELECT ?item
  WHERE
  {
    SERVICE <https://query.wikidata.org/sparql>
    {
      ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q11513337 .
    }
  }
} AS %get_items
WHERE
{
  INCLUDE %get_items
  ?file wdt:P180 ?item .
  ?file schema:contentUrl ?url .
  ?file wdt:P6731 wd:Q63348040 .
  BIND(IRI(CONCAT("http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/", wikibase:decodeUri(SUBSTR(STR(?url),53)))) AS ?image)
}

Try it!

• If yes, can you show me in User:Christian Ferrer/sandbox2 please? Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 07:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

  @Christian Ferrer: I don't think it's possible at the moment, but I've tweeted at Magnus to ask about the possibility. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks you very much. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 10:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

@Christian Ferrer: Apparently there is a way, but it's complicated. See @Ederporto: 's Portuguese Wikipedia sandbox at pt:Usuário:Ederporto/Testes/Criação ou tradução de artigos/25. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the info, I will look at it. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 11:10, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Pibot adding wikidata infoboxes

Hi Mike Peel, I am currently working on collection highlights from the Royal library of the Netherlands. All my category pages for these collection highlights have a Book template; I therefore removed all the WD infoboxes on the category pages. I notice that Pi-bot (re)adds these wikidata infoboxes again (and again). Is it possible for the bot NOT to put a wikidata infobox on a category pages when another template like the {{Book}} template is already present on the page? For one, all the necessary content on WD is already presented in the book template. Secondly, the WD infobox enormously disturbs the layout of these pages because WD infobox often pushes all the content further down the page. Thanks in advance, Danielle - Wikimedia NL/WGC (talk) 11:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@DanielleJWiki: The {{Book}} template should only be used on file pages, it's not really suitable for categories since it takes up a lot of space at the top of the page. In the example of Category:Kunst en samenleving (KB - KW 1310 F 3) I can't even see the first file in the category when I first load it because the template is so large! The infobox is on the right-hand side of the page for this reason. If there's additional information that the infobox should show, please let me know. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

So i guess that is a no? This Book template is exactly how we want it (info at the top and all the files underneath). Is there another way I can stop Pi-Bot adding the WD infobox?, Danielle - Wikimedia NL/WGC (talk) 09:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@DanielleJWiki: Why do you want it that way? Have you tried looking at the Commons category on a mobile device, e.g. [13], the {{Book}} template *really* doesn't work well there. The infobox is optimised for categories, the book template really isn't. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church 2017 17.jpg

Yours sincerely, DCB (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church 2017 19.jpg

Yours sincerely, DCB (talk) 22:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi

I am not able to find the wiki address which you gave Mahayadav (talk) 20:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: can you provide a reference for the date of birth, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey yes that’s what she has mentioned in her all fb/insta/twitter pages.if you check lots of websites mention different dates but she celebrate her b’day on 22nd Mahayadav (talk) 20:08, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Can you plz correct it as I am new not able to edit properly,want to make her page as authentic as possible,I am following her since last 8 years so I know correct info about her Mahayadav (talk) 20:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: You need to find somewhere that definitively states the birthday, so it can be used as a reference. A newspaper article/interview/similar would work, but not something self-published like facebook/instagram/twitter. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

She said in some interviews and celebrate on 22nd,nobody put their I’ds on social media! And on every 6 jan she mention every year clearly that it’s not her b’day Mahayadav (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

There is no proofs of 6 jan as well,it’s from some ransoms website Mahayadav (talk) 20:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: Can you give me a link to one or more of those interviews, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would anyone will lie to their fans and celebrate their b’daya in wrong dates.the biggest proofs are her own pages and the every year of 22nd December.some website even mentioned some ransoms date in November.so I don’t know what proof you exactly looking when the person herself celebrates on that particular day.do you have any proof of 6 jan? There is none.she said this in some old south tv interview and it’s all on her own pages and every year we celebrate it Mahayadav (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I am asking for your help because you are pro in wiki so if you do it then this issue would be solve.i am just a can and want people to have correct info about her.or else when she celebrate this year on 22nd December,I will inform you. Mahayadav (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• fan Mahayadav (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: Actors frequently use birthdates that make them seem younger than they are. In this case, you're right that the other one also isn't referenced, so I've simply removed it. A reference is really needed to be able to include it in the article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh but why did you remove her original one ?? Anyway thanks Mahayadav (talk) 20:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: Because it needs a reference - some mention of it in a newspaper or similar. Otherwise how can you confirm that it is accurate? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

But then how come you can confirm it the 6 jan is the original one? 22nd mentioned in so many website as well.. Mahayadav (talk) 20:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

There is no proofs of 6 jan anywhere apart from 1 website.but 22nd jan 1993 is available at so many places.i know her since last 8 years and wishing on her b’daya since so long every year. Mahayadav (talk) 20:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: I can't confirm either date, which is why I removed it from here and the English Wikipedia. It needs to have a reference! If you can't link to somewhere reliable that says that she was born on this day and year, then it shouldn't be on Wikipedia/Commons. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok so can you remove that 6 jan also because then that is also wrong.proof I will provide when 22nd comes again this year Mahayadav (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I am a fan and this much we trust people that they don’t celebrate fake b’days Mahayadav (talk) 20:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

geogroup

I didn't notice the links in the infobox until now, but just want to say that I appreciate being able to actually click the images in the map created by the geogroup template. I use that feature a lot when looking for misplaced images. --Hjart (talk) 22:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart: I thought the same links were in the infobox, minus the ones that didn't work right. I need to double-check this, though. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Pi Bot - duplicated Wikidata Infobox

Hi, Pi Bot addded Template:Wikidata Infobox on pages where I already put Template:Ariane 5 flight and Template:Vega flight. This leads to duplicated infoboxes in subcategories of Category:Launches_of_Ariane_5 and Category:Launches of Vega rockets. vip (talk) 00:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Don-vip: Thanks for including the infobox in the templates, but unfortunately that breaks how Pi bot works when it's adding them - as you found, it can't see those uses so it will add it again. The simplest solution is to not include the infobox in other templates, and just to let Pi bot add it where it's needed. I've removed the inclusions of the infoboxes from those templates accordingly, I hope that makes sense. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Male child actors

Excuse me, Mike, but "Actor" it's not itself male? -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 19:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Blackcat: No, it's a job. Female actors are known as actresses, but actors aren't exclusively male. The English Wikipedia distinguishes between the two in its category structure, and per Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/11/Category:Actors from Germany we decided to do the same here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, sorry to have caused overwork then, I didn't know. -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 19:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for checking. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Lagos and the Lakes

Hello; you seem to be a go-to person for infobox issues concerning Wikidata, where I almost always seem to encounter obstacles. </whine> Our category Lagos is a disambiguation cat because it means “lake” in Spanish; the category page includes a link to Lagos, Nigeria among others. It also shows a misplaced infobox with a map of the city, so I thought I’d aim it in the right direction. But when I followed the link in the box, which leads to a page called “timeline of Lagos history”, and tried to change the Commons field from Lagos to Lagos, Nigeria, a pop-up appears saying:

• The save has failed.
• The link commonswiki:Category:Lagos, Nigeria is already used by Item Q7486765. You may remove it from Q7486765 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic.

So I followed that link, which leads to a page called “Lagos”, and tried to make the converse change, with the same result.

Why is this WD page allowed to have a duplicate link to the city category—I presume the page that generates its infobox must have one—but not to Lagos? And why can’t the “timeline” page link to the city?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Odysseus1479: This case is a little tricky. Lagos (Q8673) links to Lagos, Nigeria, and the category Category:Lagos, Nigeria is linked to from Category:Lagos (Q7486765), which is right - and they are linked between using topic's main category (P910)/category's main topic (P301). timeline of Lagos history (Q7805789) shouldn't have a sitelink, Category:Lagos actually belongs at Lagos (Q820969), so I removed it from the timeline and then added it to the disambig page (you can't use the same sitelink twice), this fixed the dab category infobox. Then I linked between timeline of Lagos history (Q7805789) and Category:Lagos (Q7486765) using category related to list (P1754) and list related to category (P1753), which sorts out the link from the timeline to the category for the link to Commons from the enwp timeline article. That's pretty much the most complex case you get with the linking, since there's a category, gallery, dab, and list. If it helps, there's a bit more background at d:User:Mike Peel/Commons linking. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Pi bot - doesn't add the wikidata box

Hi Mike, thanks for "Pi bot". In "former times" :-) your bot added very quickly the wikidata infobox at commons. at the moment it doesn't work. Do you know why?

for example Category:Jüdenstraße (Gotha). I created Wikidata:Q100535082 at 18th october with site links and "P373" to commons. but the bot doesn't want to visti the commonscat till now. can you solve the problem. Greetings from Germany --Z ^thomas 20:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: I think this is related to phab:T233520. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

oh... I guess there are many more "naked" commons-street-cats because I created a lot of wikidata-objects via quickstatement. And I hoped for your bot to change this. Greetings --Z ^thomas 20:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: Do you have a list of the categories? I can do a special run of the bot to add infoboxes to those. I've just re-run the query that finds candidates to add the infobox to, and these categories still aren't showing up. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a list at the moment. I try to create it via petscan. But I failed

But I try and ask some people. Maybe I'll get it soon. The list raises every day, because I create a lot of items (streets) at wikidata and connect them with commons. Greetings --Z ^thomas 12:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

(BK) Hello Mike, would it be possible to check every subcategory within a given category (for example Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Bavaria and Wikidata or Category:Streets in Germany) if an infobox could be added or do you need a list, where every single category to be checked is listed? Do these lists (if necessary) should only include categories which are connected to wikidata objects or could the bot check, if a category is connected to an object? Would you need for example a PetScan or SPARQL-Query (and if so, how would we query for categories without infobox, since they are only in a subcatetory of Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox if an infobox is used, but there ist no category for categories without infoboxes)? (for example: Category:Adlergäßlein 1 (Dinkelsbühl) is included in Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Bavaria without linked Wikidata, but connected to a Wikidata-Objekt since August 2020 and has no infobox yet). Or could a bot do null edits to all subcategories in a given category, to update the database entry as a workaround for the above problem? Thanks a lot! --M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas and M2k~dewiki: I just need some pointers in the right direction, the bot can search through subcategories to add the infobox if the subcategory is linked to wikidata (this is how it originally ran), or take a list of categories to look through, or just look randomly through all Commons categories. The normal way I find the candidates is this SQL query. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mike, so would it be possible to check Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Bavaria and Wikidata and Category:Streets in Brandenburg (or Category:Streets in Germany) to add infoboxes if possible? Thanks a lot! --M2k~dewiki (talk)

@M2k~dewiki: I've set the bot looking through Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Bavaria and Wikidata and Category:Streets in Germany in parallel now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to you both @M2k~dewiki: Greetings from Dresden --Z ^thomas 13:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mike, could you please also add infoboxes to the subcategories of Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Saxony with known ID. There should be about 600 newly connected categories (in addition, the new category Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Saxony and Wikidata should be filled up when the infoboxes are added). Thanks a lot! --M2k~dewiki (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: OK, that one is also running now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Saxony with known ID has finished, 557 infoboxes added. The others are still going (1600 and 2500 infoboxes added so far!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

That's great! --Z ^thomas 10:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: I've stopped those two now, since they seemed to have wandered off into other category trees. They added around 5,000 categories in total. Happy to re-run this for similar categories in the future. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, do you need information to start the bot, if there are new items for streets or cultural heritage monuments to set the wikidata infox or is the problem fixed? because I created more stuff for your bot :-) cheers --Z ^thomas 17:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: The general problem needs the WMF to fix it, I don't know when that will happen. If you have specific category trees I can set the bot checking through in the meantime, let me know. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, its's the street-tree like above described. I transfer streets to wikidata and connect them with commons. Thanks for your support. Greetings from Dresden --Z ^thomas 09:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: OK, I suggest that you leave me a message when you've added a set to Wikidata, and I can run the bot through the specific 'Streets in' category for the city/country. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, that's ok! you can start. there is a lot new stuff for streets in Germany:-)

is it ok to give you a message after 20 new cities? Greetings from Dresden --Z ^thomas 16:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: OK, it's running again now through Category:Streets in Germany. If you can give me narrower categories (e.g., Category:Streets in Dresden), that would be better, since otherwise the bot goes through every single category in the category tree to check if they're linked to Wikidata. Not a big problem for the bot, but it adds extra server load the on Commons side. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, many thanks for linking Wikidata and Commons. :-) If you have a good process, I don't suppose you could work through Category:Streets in the Canary Islands as well? (it's my area, I'm slowly trying to sync the Canary Islands category tree with Wikidata). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mike, PetScan might help to connect unconnected categories to existing wikidata object or to create new objects. Currently Petscan lists 1367 unconnected commonscats for Category:Streets in the Canary Islands. With the link "check Wikidata" you might check for an existing object and click on the "add" button, after you selected the right object (or click on "new" if the right one is not yet existing). For entries where the checkbox is activated in the result list, there currently is no wikidata entry with this label, but the tool does not check for other languages/translations. Entries with additional brackets () are never selected, since additional brackets per definition mean that there is more than one entry with the same label and the part in the bracket is to tell them apart. Usually, it is possible to add additonal statements in the "command list"-box and to click on the "Start QS"-button to mass create selected/activated missing items, but this is currently not working. As a workaround for this current problem you could use the petscan results as a basis to prepare the quickstatements for some entries in Excel/OpenOffice etc. Also see

• https://github.com/magnusmanske/petscan_rs/issues/76
• https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/petscan/issues/168/error-message-the-supplied-language-code
• (German) de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Z_thomas/DE-BB-Straßen-Potsdam
• (German) d:User_talk:Stefan_Kühn#Straßen_in_Dresden

--M2k~dewiki (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Of course, you can select any subcategory, for example Streets in Betancuria. In addition there is a parameter "Depth", where 0 means just the selected category, but not any subcategories within them. On the tab "Wikidata" there is selected the option "Only pages without item (enables Wikidata item creation mode)", so only commonscats without wikidata objects are selected. For regular articles (e.g. from en-WP, de-WP, ...) Petscan is also able to create the items directly using the "Start QS" button, the bug above currently only exists for the commons namespace. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 00:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Thanks for the info. I have python code that does similar things, but with a different approach, so I tend to prefer using that so I don't duplicate other people's workflows, and try to catch some of the gaps in between them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, i tried with Category:Streets in Antigua (Fuerteventura). I can only create WD-Items for canarian streets that have a commonscat. And I can only use the name that is used at commons. (In Germany it's different because I can use a valid source).

is it ok that way? greetings from Dresden --Z ^thomas 10:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: I think that is OK, it's a step in the right direction at least, thanks. :-) BTW, there seems to be an issue at Category:Reitzendorfer Straße, Dresden, @SchiDD: reverted pi bot's addition of the infobox, and there seems to be a 3km difference in coordinates. Can you check it please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

short answers... :-)

ok, so I will go on step by step at the canary islands

the other point schidd is right. There are two different streets in Dresden with the same name. I connected Commonscat and item wrong. I have to create a further item. I will fix it soon.

Greetings from Germany Dresden - - Z ^thomas 09:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I guess, it's fixed. The other item already existed. I just had to change the Commonscat and I added some useful information :-) greetings - - Z ^thomas 11:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, I'm done with Category:Streets in Fuerteventura. What about Category:Roads in Fuerteventura, what kind of information do you need? I haven't touched Cats like "FV-4 in XY"

In Germany I'm done with the federal state of saxony. so, Pi bot could look for Category:Municipalities in Saxony and add the missinig infoboxes :-)

Greetings --Z ^thomas 12:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas and M2k~dewiki: I forgot I left the earlier script running through Category:Streets in Germany, I just aborted it after it had checked 500k categories and added 3k infoboxes. It's definitely better to check smaller category trees, please! "FV-4 in XY" is a highway in a particular location. When I was working through Category:Streets in Santa Cruz de La Palma I was creating items like Avenida José Pérez Vidal (Q98908635) and Category:LP-4 in Santa Cruz de La Palma (Q98918736), if that helps? I'm running Pi bot through Category:Streets in Fuerteventura and Category:Municipalities in Saxony now to add the infoboxes there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Fuerteventura completed after adding 126 infoboxes to 426 categories checked. I stopped Category:Municipalities in Saxony after adding 6 infoboxes to 2418 categories checked. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Brandenburg is waiting for "Pi bot" :-) Greetings from Germany --Z ^thomas 21:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Running now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas:  Done, 3004 categories checked, 194 infoboxes added. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, the next federal state is waiting for pi bot :-) Category:Streets in Saxony-Anhalt und Category:Squares in Saxony-Anhalt Greetings --Z ^thomas 10:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas:  Done. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)