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WikiProject Numismatics newsletter - April 2020

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Websites about Chinese numismatics

Hello Baomi,

I wanted to ask you for sources about the monetary history of China in Mandarin Chinese, as you can see in the image above I’ve attached there are a number of Occidental sources that discuss Oriental numismatics, but so far I’ve already imported almost everything to Wikimedia websites. The list comes from the British Museum's Chinese Money Matters website operated by Dr. Helen Wang. Of those websites BabelStone (魏安, Andrew West) is even a contributor here. Of Primaltrek (the “”top” entry”), I’ve imported everything except for several coin hoard pages. To compare Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek with Wikimedia the Chinese cash coin pages here contain ALL of its information but while missing several of its images contain more images mostly thanks to Jean-Michel Moullec and Scott Semans World Coins (CoinCoin.com), Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website's bamboo tallies page has been completely imported except for a small number of descriptions of the pieces listed while Wikimedia also includes François Thierry’s article, and regarding the descriptions, I’ve already received OTRS permission to import Bert Lijnema's bamboo tallies to Wikimedia Commons, which would thus make Wikimedia websites superior in every way and would give you more images to add to the Mandarin-Chinese-language Wikipedia (unfortunately I just haven't had the time to do so, yet). I’ve imported the entire Korean monetary history (pre-South Korea) page from Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek, except for images, but filled in the English-language Wikipedia's entry with additional information, but because of the images I would say that for collectors FOR NOW Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek is still better (at least until the images are added to Wikimedia Commons). Concerning Jiangsu tokens Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website has several images and token coin descriptions, while the English-language Wikipedia furthermore includes an article written by Doctor Helen Wang which explores it a bit deeper, but the Wikipedia article still lacks images, so I am willing to grant that for collectors FOR NOW Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website might be better to compare tokens with, but not for information (although Vladimir Belyaev’s Zeno Oriental Coins Database still beats both). Concerning Japanese numismatic charms, Korean numismatic charms, and Vietnamese numismatic charms I’ve imported everything from Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek and added more. With Zhou Dynasty coinages I just imported everything and double-checked to see that (non-hoards) it’s all imported now from Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website to Wikimedia. So the only place where Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website still (“kind of”) “beats” Wikimedia is Chinese numismatic charms, while I’ve imported everything from John Ferguson's Sportstune.com website and have imported substantial amounts from the Swedish Museum of Ethnography and Scott Semans World Coins (CoinCoin.com), while “mirroring” the information about Chinese (coin, and non-coin) charms, Chinese (coin) amulets, and Chinese (coin) talismans (Talismen?) from Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website (including his full list of Chinese cultural symbolism and linguistic references, hidden and implied meanings of Chinese symbols on such charms, Etc.) the lack of images is still apparent, even as I’ve expanded in several fields such as coin-swords and have made ((independent) Wikipedia article) pages for about a quarter of the subjects. So, Wikimedia is in many regards “a superior edition of Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website (excluding Chinese coin hoards)”, after a long three (3) year period of importing. Regarding other Occidental Chinese numismatic websites I’ve fully imported Dr. Luke Roberts' East Asian Cash Coins website from the University of California at Santa Barbara, John Furgeson's Sportstune.com, and am now busy with Scott Semans World Coins (CoinCoin.com).

Dr. Helen Wang's Chinese Money Matters is one of the few still active (as in still updating with content) Occidental Chinese numismatic websites, and I’ve been hawkishly observing it and import as much as I can from it, but most are just book recommendations for offline-only books that aren’t always easy to import. Ulrich Theobald's China Encyclopedia (Chinaknowledge.de) is a rather good source for Chinese numismatics, but basically only for Song Dynasty paper money and Manchu Qing Dynasty currency, Ulrich Theobald's Chinaknowledge.de does have some good Zhou Dynasty round coins (Huanqian) content, but I’ve imported all and still have not written an independent Wikipedia article about Zhou Dynasty round coins. While I think that Ulrich Theobald's Chinaknowledge.de is an amazing source, it still leaves quite a lot to be desired in the field of Chinese numismatics.

Niv Horesh's (Hebrew: ניב חורש) Academia.edu paper on the monetary history of the Qing Dynasty is another great resource that covers the Manchu Qing Dynasty period. I’ve used Niv Horesh's (Hebrew: ניב חורש) Academia.edu paper on the monetary history of the Qing Dynasty to cover the paper money of the Qing and wanted to use it for coinages too, but for whatever reason Niv Horesh's (Hebrew: ניב חורש) Academia.edu paper on the monetary history of the Qing Dynasty is now inaccessible without a subscription. While I have saved all information about Qing period paper money and banking from Niv Horesh's (Hebrew: ניב חורש) Academia.edu paper on the monetary history of the Qing Dynasty, I did not import the sections about coinages, it (Niv Horesh's (Hebrew: ניב חורש) Academia.edu paper on the monetary history of the Qing Dynasty) also had an informative piece about Japanese cash coins (“Woqian”) circulating in China at the time.

Thankfully I’ve recently discovered some wonderful sources about the monetary history of the late Manchu Qing Dynasty period from the London School of Economics and Political Science, see here:

Which are good for expanding content, in fact I’d state that the London School of Economics and Political Science has been one of the best English-language sources to come out with content about Qing Dynasty coinages from the Xianfeng period onwards and would advise that you would also use these sources on the Mandarin Chinese-language Wikipedia in the future. Xun Yan's London School of Economics and Political Science paper also covers the rise of the 大清銅幣 and the fall of Chinese cash coins. In fact, Xun Yan's London School of Economics and Political Science paper expands this entire section further to 1949 explaining the periods of inflation that had plagued the early Republic of China period. I’m actually still in the process of Xun Yan's London School of Economics and Political Science paper, and because it’s such a huge paper that covers such a wide variety of Chinese numismatic and economic history, I don't expect to be finishing anytime soon.

Additionally there is the Journal of East Asian Numismatics (JEAN), it is in both Mandarin-China and English and has a wide coverage of all Chinese cultural countries (China, Japan, The Ryukyu Islands, Korea, and Vietnam), information about the Journal of East Asian Numismatics (JEAN) can be found here:

All issues of the Journal of East Asian Numismatics (JEAN) are freely available through ISSUU.com and I plan on integrating quite a number of them into Wikipedia once I’m done with the other sources (technically only two (2) academic papers, but they’re two (2) loooooooooooooooooooooong academic papers).

While I hope that you can use the above sources on the Mandarin-Chinese Wikipedia, I am also here to ask you for more sources to use for the English Wikipedia, do you know of any Mandarin-Chinese-language websites about Chinese numismatics that also report on news in archaeological and scholarly finds in this field? I honestly don’t know where to look, and as you seem to be one of the most prolific writers of Chinese history on Wikimedia I reckon that you would know. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. (Baomi.6. ) --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I will copy this to the Mandarin-Chinese Wikipedia as it's better asked there, forgot tonping. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Baomi: , hello, I recently launched the “w:en:Cash coins in art” article about ways how cash coins are integrated into art works and wanted to know if you knew of more artworks where cash coins are integrated in or used in as a motif. I made this shorter version as you might be busy, in brief, do you by any chance know of more examples? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Just for reference, the Wikimedia Commons category is https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cash_coins_in_art&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile , I have tried to find more examples, but couldn't find that much. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

If searching 金钱纹 or 铜钱纹, may get some useful infomation.--Baomi (talk) 13:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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Chinese Money Matters - Cash-swords

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

 

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Library of Congress Wishram girl with Chinese cash coins

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Library of Congress Wishram girl with Chinese cash coins (OLD)

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Chinese Money Matters - Cash-swords (OLD)

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Ezelburgers

Moi Quistnix,

Blijkbaar zeg ik al sinds 2018 dat dit nu een "Post-Primaltrek" tijdperk is, maar ik zie in dat mijn gehele Wikicarrière op Prikaltrek is gebaseerd en dat, hoewel ik hier gewoon triljoen "Primaltimbbombs" in m'n handen heb, ik nu eindelijk kan zeggen dat de gehele website op Wikimedia staat. Sinds jij Chijese amuletten verzameld hoop ik dat mensen zoals jij gewoon op Wikipedia en andere Wikimedia websites kan gaan en alles over Chinese amuletten en Chinese cultuur kan vinden wat je wil.

”Buy Donkey Burgers with Ancient Chinese Coins by Gary Ashkenazy on November 27, 2012 Now there is a restaurant in Beijing where you can spend ancient Chinese money to buy “donkey burgers” (lurou huoshao 驴肉火烧). “

Nou, dit lijkt mij een leuk ideetje voor jou om in Nederland te beginnen, dan kan best snel aan Chinese Kėpėngs komen. Niet dat je "Ezelburgers" in Nederland kan verkopen... Denk ik.

”An article in the November 26, 2012 edition of the Beijing Evening News (beijing wanbao 北京晚报) describes a restaurant that sells donkey burgers with the prices denominated in ancient Chinese money. Donkey burgers are a specialty of Baoding (保定) and Hejian (河间) and consist of chopped donkey meat and vegetables placed between two buns. “

I would like to continue in the English-language Don from here, as you can see the bloke is quite ingenious, although probably a bit desperate to try and acquire old checked checked currency by means of selling out his donkey burgers. I probably personally believe that it's a fine way of letting the free capitalistic Meijer market work in your favour, he’s truly a genius.

”A sign hanging in the restaurant states “Money from the last 500 years may be used to buy donkey burgers here”. “

Personally I believe that this is a great idea to try to acquire ancient Chinese bronze cash coins. Maybe we can ask this bloke if he would donate images of his ancient Chinese bronze cash coins (Chinese Kèpèngs) to Wikimedia Commons.

This means that old Chinese coins dating back to the Ming (1368-1644) and Qing (1644-1911) dynasties can be used to pay for the sandwiches. “

Well, as I should probably explain, my entire WikiCareer seems to be defined by Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website, I originally only wanted to write ✍🏻 about Ryukyuan (Okinawan) cash coins, maybe list some Korean cash coin mint marks so I don’t have to “look off of Wikipedia” to identify the Korean cash coins I saw on eBay and then call it a day. Then it became an obsession to get every concept and later every word from Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website on Wikimedia.

This is not a healthy obsession, but thankfully after I’m done with Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website I can… I don’t know, as I said my entire WikiCareer seems to be based on Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website and as much as I don’t Like being “The Gary-Ashkenazyguy” / “The Garyguy” / “The Primalguy” / “The Ashkenazyguy” / “The Trekguy” / “The Primal Trekguy” / “ lThe Primaltrekguy”, I’m exactly that. I've put detailed academic imports about the monetary system of the Manchu Qing Dynasty on hold to “once and for all, finish this”.

”Donkey burgers actually originated during the Ming Dynasty when soldiers had nothing to eat and so killed their horses and put the meat between two buns. “

I'm almost completely done importing Primaltrek to Wikimedia. I am doing coin hoards now, which is a lot of work, but I'm almost done importing almost 200 pages after re-reading every page countless of times for information which I might have missed. Basically the only useful information I'm not going to import is about ancient Chinese piggy banks, but I'm finally almost done. After that I just have one academic paper and then all the Qing dynasty mint marks. And of course how cash coins were manufactured. Then I can fully focus on Wikimedia Commons, which I have been severely ignoring.

”Preparing donkey burgers with price list in ancient Chinese coins hanging on wall“Little Yan” (小闫), the owner of the restaurant, has a “new” menu hanging on the wall (see photo). “

I'm not saying that I wouldn’t be able to do anything else, but after importing the entirety of Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website I’m not sure what to do. I’ve already felt bored with importing articles from the Chinese University of Archaeology, despite the fact that it's basically the exact same content as Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website's coverage of the same family of topics. My passions seem to revolve into “Making Wikimedia a mirror of Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website” rather than the subjects at hand ✋🏻. Now that I’m finally done with that (while I did exclude “ancient Chinese piggy banks”) I’m inclined to believe that I’ve done enough to make “Wikimedia, a better version of Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website”, but at the cost of almost everything else. As I’ve stopped uploading images to Wikimedia Commons because I was too busy with Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website, and the fact that Wikimedia's coverage of Chinese numismatics can now be described as “Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website + (plus) some others”. I wanted to make this a better website, to try and expand. That’s why I need your help and people like you.

I'd like to state that by covering Chinese coin hoards like this I open 👐🏻 the doors for future 🔮 expansions on the concept. I want to do the same thing for Vietnamese coin hoards.

”The menu has various old coins and paper money attached and beside each is written how many donkey burgers each will buy. “

Replicas like these could also be valuable for Wikimedia Commons.

”For example, three common Ming or Qing dynasty “cash coins” (small bronze coins with a square hole in the middle) will buy one donkey burger. “

It’s understandable why Ming Dynasty cash coins and Manchu Qing Dynasty cash coins buy so little donkey burgers ecauaw this is because so many of these cash coins still exist today, you can purchase them for less than € 0,50 in Hanoi, Vietnam, let alone how cheap they must be in China.

”A “one dollar” banknote (一元钞票) with the portrait of Sun Yat-sen (孙中山) issued during the Republic of China (1912-1949) will purchase 10 donkey burgers. However, a silver dollar minted during the Republic of China era will buy 80 donkey burgers. “

It’s interesting how these Republican era, much more recent banknotes, are way more valuable than ancient Chinese bronze cash coins. Especially since the Republic of China still exists and is a modern state while Imperial China is associated with “Ancientness”.

”Donkey Burgers - “Little Yan” explained that he was poor growing up but still liked to collect old things. While working for wages in Beijing, he would go to the antique market at the Baoguo Temple (报国寺) to learn the prices of ancient Chinese coins and how to tell authentic coins from the fakes and reproductions. “

The draft name of this e-mail 📧 is “Donkey Burgers.10.”. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

”Even though his “new menu” with ancient money prices has been hanging on the wall for more than a week, “Little Yan” concedes that no one as yet has come in to buy his “authentic” Hejian donkey burgers with old money. “

What is interesting about this article is that it covers quite a lot about this one particular shop.

He is not bothered, though. He admits that he did this for fun because people find it interesting that they can come and buy food with ancient money. “

This is what I want to do with you here, discuss ancient Chinese cash coins with you.

”He says that even when people come in but do not want to eat, he is still happy just to discuss ancient Chinese coins with them. “

This is not a healthy obsession, but thankfully after I’m done with Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website I can… I don’t know, as I said my entire WikiCareer seems to be based on Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website and as much as I don’t Like being “The Gary-Ashkenazyguy” / “The Garyguy” / “The Primalguy” / “The Ashkenazyguy” / “The Trekguy” / “The Primal Trekguy” / “ lThe Primaltrekguy”, I’m exactly that. I've put detailed academic imports about the monetary system of the Manchu Qing Dynasty on hold to “once and for all, finish this”.

” “Little Yan” also has a confession to make. Although he has genuine ancient Chinese coins in his collection, the specimens he has attached to the price list on the wall are all fakes. “

Wat interessant is dat je bij Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website commentaar kan achter laten zoals met deze link “http://primaltrek.com/blog/2012/11/27/buy-donkey-burgers-with-ancient-chinese-coins/?replytocom=1822#commentform” en ”{ 1 comment… add one }” en “http://primaltrek.com/blog/2012/11/27/buy-donkey-burgers-with-ancient-chinese-coins/#comment-1822”, maar raar genoeg komt mijn commentaar nooit door. Ik weet zeker dat Gary Ashkenazy een hekel aan mij heeft. Zie maar hoe dit Slavisch commentaar:

”Віталій February 9, 2013, 12:24 am “

Dit lijkt op een raar commentaartje.

”Люди їсти хотіли і тисячі років назад. Можливо клієнти цього ресторану відчувають той самий смак китайської їжі, як і стародарні китайці і це приносить особливе відчуття єдності зі всім історичним людством“.

Wat ik wel begrijp sinds Gary Ashkenazy's (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) Primaltrek / Primal Trek website waarschijnlijk geen fan van mij is sinds ik 99% (negenennegentig procent) van de website naar Wikimedia heb geïmporteerd.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Paddington is een andere gebruiker die 💀zijn afbeeldingen aan Wikimedia Commons wil doneren..

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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