User talk:Nick/Archive3

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Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Adriana Sage 2007.jpg

Once again, I (and we) appreciate you helping out with closures etc., but close them properly [1][2]. Thanks, — Giggy 23:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You're the one who screwed up by nominating the image, so you can deal with the mess you've gone and left behind. Cheers. Nick 23:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

As I noted in the nom, I was unsure and wanted confirmation. I won't make the mistake again. — Giggy 02:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm completely stumped as to how you could think it was a copyright violation, but as long as you're aware of what to look for when it comes to Flickr sourced imagery, that's the main thing. We really don't want to upset one of our biggest sources of free imagery. Nick 02:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick,

Take it easy with the confrontational attitude, eh? Doesn't get the job done any better than being polite. We all make mistakes.

I saw you've written up User:Nick/Flickr. It's a great guide - I hope you'll move it into the Commons namespace and link it to pages like Commons:Flickr images. Could be useful to add a link to Commons:Tools about FlickrFlopper too.

cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm glad you've found the guide to be useful, I'm not sure on a suitable name for the page if it were in the Commons namespace, perhaps "How to spot images from Flickr that infringe copyright" or something.There's a few tweaks and things needed to FlickrFlopper at the moment, it's still a little buggy but I should get that sorted out over the Christmas holidays, at which point I'll add it to the tools page. It might still break the odd template, so I don't want people running around using it who won't carefully check to see if they've broken anything - I need to know what it's breaking to solve any remaining bugs. Nick 13:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

How about Commons:Spotting Flickr copyvios?

BTW a fair bit of tools-related discussion takes place on the commons-l mailing list, so if you want some beta testers or when it's time to advertise your tool, that's a good place. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added a bit more advice about finding other free images and spotting when the wrong licence is used, perhaps just Commons:Flickr advice or Commons:Using Flickr. Hmm, I guess I probably should sign up to the mailing list, but my Inbox is filling up with all sorts of other mailing lists too. Heck, what's one more list. Nick 12:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

re. And once again, it's complaint time

You yourself had withdrawn the RfA. Withdrawn RfA = No more comments, hence Herby protecting it. I'll leave Nish a note informing him of what I did, but I really don't see what there is to discuss. Good luck in your next RfA. — Giggy 08:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm disappointed you cannot see the conflict of interest in removing a comment which mentioned you. If it needed to be removed, which I really can't see, considering it wasn't a vote, then it should be done by somebody uninvolved, or by asking the person who left the vote. It looks to me like you simply do not wish anybody to see the comment, which is really unfortunate. If that wasn't your intention, the comment should have been refactored and left on my talk page. Had I not chosen to Watchlist every page I edit, I could have completely missed NishKid's comment which doesn't seem right, somehow, does it ? I trust you will not make a similar error in future. Nick 13:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Cross wiki work & RfAs

I'll answer you here as it is not pertinent to the RfA of a user I know & trust. I have been working across wikis for quite a while now. In that time I have got to see the work of many people. I'll always take that into account as I will their interactions with other users. Commons is quite unlike en wp in attitude and I am happy with that & will do what I can to see that it stays a co-operative place for folk to work together. My understanding of their ability to do that will colour my views on RfAs. There is no "clique" here - this - like en wp - is a community of people working together most of the time with a good will.

As to en wp I left there around a year ago because I did not like the way folk seem to spend so much time arguing that could be spent more productively. It looks to me as though it is still the same. I requested the rights because two pages there had been backlogged for a long time (despite the number of admins available) and because it linked with my work on Meta. Fortunately Hu12 returned and got the blacklist under control before I got the rights but I'd like to think I'd been able to help out with requests there. I've also cleared the backlog on the whitelist page which had been frustrating a number of users. If that does not mean that I've helped in your opinion then I am sorry.

I have supported a number of en wp people both admins and other users in RfAs here and will continue to do so - however that will not be the only thing I take into account in my voting. I have little doubt that you will see things differently & that saddens me but I hope you will be able to see some merit in my views and equally that you will respect that they are my views. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 14:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to say, inconsistency and double standards are easy ways to erode good will amongst the community, and I would urge you most strongly to show consistency in how you express your opinions on other users at RfA. I never said that you've not used the tools on the English Wikipedia, that's a complete red herring to draw attention away from the problem here. You.

You mention that you are now using your tools on enwiki, but at the same time, I and others could helpfully be deleting and undeleting images, dealing with page protections and doing other administrative work here on Commons had you not decided for whatever reason that we couldn't be trusted to administer Wikimedia Commons.

In my case, the comment you left on my RfA and those of others is plainly hypocritical when compared with how the enwiki community dealt with your RfA. You either ignored my experience and the fact I can be trusted on enwiki, which doesn't reflect well on someone who only a few days earlier was promoted on the English Wikipedia because we looked at your experience and how trustworthy you are on other projects. If we had invoked your way of voting on RfAs over at enwiki for your RfA, you wouldn't be an administrator and as you'll agree, that's not good, similarly, you can't be suggesting, I hope, that by not Supporting other experienced or trustworthy candidates, this is good (or isn't bad) for Commons. Nick 14:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I confess I am confused. You do not appear to suggest I have abused the tools anywhere. I have voted for and supported en wp RfA candidates and I have told you that. I have also voted neutral and oppose regardless of where candidates are from when I felt that I was unsure or that they might not yet be suitable regardless of where they are from. Sometimes people have agreed with me, sometimes they have not and that is fine - it is their right to decide on their vote. I have never subjected anyone's voting to such scrutiny as you have.

That being true I can only really see that you are annoyed with me & my vote for your RfA which is a pity but nothing to do with dual standards. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, my RfA does come into it, because we trusted you on enwiki because of your experience and trustworthy nature here, but you refuse to do likewise for enwiki candidates on a like for like basis. That is hypocritical. No matter what you try to say. Are you honestly trying to say that you genuinely believe that by Opposing me, that was beneficial to Commons. Do you honestly believe that by failing to Support other candidates such as My name, that is beneficial to Commons. Likewise, if we failed to promote you on enwiki purely because you're not active or haven't gained masses of experience on enwiki, would that have been beneficial. It's a two way process you know. Letting you become an administrator on enwiki benefits enwiki, in the same way supporting enwiki candidates here would benefit Commons. In fact, do you actually believe anybody you have Opposed or not Supported at RfA would damage Commons, myself included. Evidence for your comments would be appreciated if any exists. Do you actually examine candidates contributions on their "home" wiki, when their experience is gained from outwith Commons Nick Nick 15:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) My vote for My name will have no impact at all - they will soon become an admin & I'm ok with that - you have a strange view of neutral voting!

I always review the work and talk pages of any user who has an RfA here.

In practice you didn't support me on en wp, you could have opposed me and would have been fine. Frankly I did not expect it to succeed - I merely felt for the frustration of users who had to face continually backlogged pages despite the available admins. I am sure that you are an admin who can be trusted. However your approach is something that I feel could do with softening on Commons. The aggression that seems to be a requirement on en wp is unnecessary here and unproductive. I assure you I do not begrudge you the time but I could be doing more constructive things than this & I would imagine you could be too? Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I could have been doing more productive things here on Commons, but sadly, I can't. Lack of tools, dear chap, though I'm doing the best I can. It's a bit of a bugger when I get e-mails on OTRS asking for images to be deleted and I can't help. You've still not said if you think me not being an administrator and my continuing help and assistance I'm providing is good or bad for Commons, I really do have to push you for an answer on that.

As you know, I requested the tools here for the same reasons you requested the tools on enwiki, because there are backlogs and a multitude of images needing attention and because I have access to deleted images on enwiki, I can deal with sourcing and license issues across the two projects, as indeed I am trying to do at the moment. Nick

We're pretty mellow here, for the most part. Even if we are not as mellow elsewhere. I think it will help to keep that in mind. ++Lar: t/c 16:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Does being mellow mean I have to ignore hypocrisy when I see it ? Nick 16:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope, not at all. I would just encourage you to try to see things from Herby's perspective. He gives out supports somewhat begrudgingly, and doesn't see a neutral as a bad thing. He's a hard worker and I've never seen him knowingly misevaluate someone, he doesn't hold grudges, play politics or favourites, or cliques, or the like. Take that for what it's worth. I like you and I like Herby, you're both solid contributors, and I don't like to see people fight, that's all. ++Lar: t/c 17:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I wouldn't say fighting, more trying to get each other to understand a little more about what we both see in RfA votes and comments, and perhaps trying to change each others opinions a little... Nick 17:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question

I am sure that you can be trusted as an admin. However I find your continual aggressive questioning disruptive and I find your frequent assertion that I am hypocritical unpleasant and in my mind untrue. However any future RfA here will be decided by the community not me. Good luck and thanks for the work you do do. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not being remotely aggressive here and asking you for a straight answer here simply is no more disruptive than your refusal to answer some of my questions. Anyway, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of your Oppose on my RfA and how you vote on other RfAs. The problem is, and I don't know if you are aware of it or not, because people look up to you in the community, your comment on any RfA can have a really big impact on any RfA. There's few RfAs that go by that don't have some comment such as "per Herby". It's sort of true any RfA is decided by the community, but the community follows certain users, whether they are right or wrong. Nick 17:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That people pay attention to my voting is no more surprising to me than the fact that I (& probably you) are influenced by others votes when they are folk we respect. I've worked here for a bit, people have got to know me and I try and help when I can.

The fact that you are unaware of the impact that you have on others would also seem rather worrying to me. Our views obviously differ on "aggressive" so I'm afraid you will have to accept that that is how I find you - continuing to argue with me and preventing me from addressing other issues will only re-enforce those feelings, thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I find you hypocritical and you find me aggressive. Looks like we're both stuck with those tags now. Nick 17:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Whether you supported, opposed, or were neutral, thank you for participating in my RFA, which was successful. I started several days ago on the constructive comments. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For handling the deletion request. I should go take a nap, I'm making mistakes. Happy editing, Arria Belli | parlami 19:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

That's not a problem - You're not alone tonight though, there's been another couple of requests with the same problem, I'm going to have a look at the delete template and see if it there's anything that's been changed. Nick 19:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for taking the time to comment at my RfA! Videmus Omnia 16:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi, Nick. I deeply appreciate your support in my recent nomination. Finally, I've been appointed and I'm ready to go on working (this time with some extra buttons). If you need anything from me, don't hesitate to contact me. I'll be glad to help. Best regards and thank you again. --Ecemaml (talk to me/habla conmigo) 21:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC) PS: I do think that there is a Commons community. However, I cannot see how the members of other projects communities should be treated as if they were strangers.

Completing DRs

Sorry, I don't mean to call you out on this particular image, but please remember to remove the deletion notice when you keep images. (I know we all forget from time to time; it's no big deal) Thanks, Rocket000 09:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on my RfA

 Replied. BTW, I appreciate your admin work at en.wp; it's just that you can get out of hand sometimes. --Boricuæddie 16:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, we disagree once again. I consider using your admin tools to protect your talk page from an established and productive contributor, who you called a troll, abuse. I don't believe you can control yourself, and for that I refuse to support your candidacy to adminship. --Boricuæddie 16:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Administrator!

An offering for our new administrator from your comrades...

Nick, congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Commons. Please take a moment to read the Commons:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Commons:Administrators' noticeboard and Commons:Deletion requests), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings or modifications of protected pages. The majority of the actions of administrators can be reversed by the other admins, except for history merges which must thus be treated with particular care.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikimedia-commons @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Commons:Guide to adminship to be useful reading.

Please also check or add your entry to Commons:List_of_administrators and the related lists by language and date it references...

The template says my personal remarks go here. I admit I'm not totally sure what to put here! I remain concerned, but I am very heartened by your remarks and your positive affirmation that you are going to try very hard to be equanamable. I'd strongly counsel to keep that in mind. If the impulse takes you to bite back at someone trying to get your goat, turn the other cheek, or walk away. If you ever need any help or advice there are many many very good editors here to turn to, don't be afraid to ask for help. And if there's anything you ever want to ask or tell me, please do. All the best wishes for success, I hope to be working together with you here for a long time. PS don't forget to add yourself to the list of administrators on other projects. ++Lar: t/c 16:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats Nick! — Rlevse • Talk • 16:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats and welcome. --Boricuæddie 21:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

¡Felicidades! Congratulations, I'm absolutely sure about your capacity and wishes to do your best. As you told me, if you need help with anything, here with Spanish-speaking users or whatever or on the Spanish Wikipedia, please, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm really glad your nomination has been successful :-) --Ecemaml ^{talk to me/habla conmigo} 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

"I'm personally satisfied he's taken the point on board and will try hard and will accept feedback more graciously, and if he doesn't I'm going to remind him of what he said here..." (Lar) - I think I will too ;) Congratulations though. — Giggy 00:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks everybody. Nick 02:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Sheerimg03-2007.jpg

I clearly don't agree with that deletion for 3 reasons:

1. IMO the decision was too quick
2. 3vd vs 2 vk is not what I call a clear conclusion!
3. the request is a pure speculation so if we delete a picture with such arguments, we can delete almost every pictures that people declare to be the authors because we generally can't prove it. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 20:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The problem we've got with the uploader is that he's uploaded material with EXIF data that contradicts his statements about his authorship and when those photographs were taken. We know at least one photo was a copyright violation as indicated by the EXIF data and it's prudent to delete the other images. If we do get proof of authorship/ownership, just give me a shout and I'll happily restore the images. Nick 20:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

OK sorry. I missed these arguments! I understand and agree now! Sorry again. Regards. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 17:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Maradonahand3.jpg

Image deletion warning

Image:Maradonahand3.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this image, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

-N 17:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Question

Before I raise this on the Admin board, can you please tell me why you deleted a photograph that was used on several pages, with no notification to the uploader (me), yet you state you did?--DavidShankbone 17:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

One of the people in the photograph requested the removal of the image. The request was filed through the Foundation Office who passed it onto the OTRS team, who in turn asked me to delete the image. I checked the ticket details and everything seemed to be in order (as it still does), which is why I deleted the image. I was under the impression you were aware the image would be deleted and were quite amenable about the image being deleted. If this isn't the case, I'm terribly sorry. Nick 18:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The people in the photo did not request it be deleted. An IP troll who is taking aim at my work wants it deleted. It has been quite an issue at w:Orthodox Judaism, where they vowed to remove the image from Wikipedia. Unless there is some proof that one of those people were actually the ones writing it, I would like it restored since this has been a major issue on the English Wikipedia with an IP troll. --DavidShankbone 18:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any other information you can forward to me, so I can determine if the request on OTRS is genuine or not. Please feel free to e-mail me, and I'll look into this issue straight away. Nick 20:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Still working on this, btw. Nick 11:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)