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Причина отката[edit]

  • Прошу вас подсказать причину для отката в категории о Переславле. Моё рассуждение таково: категории Category:Program Systems Institute of RAS, Category:Garment factory in Pereslavl, Category:Slavich, Category:Pereslavlstroy, Category:New World factory (Pereslavl-Zalessky) посвящены не зданиям, а заводам, фабрикам, предприятиям. Посетителям нужен простой переход из темы города в тему городских предприятий. Спасибо. --PereslavlFoto (talk) 15:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Напоминаю о вопросе, который надо обсудить для того, чтобы принять ваш откат. --PereslavlFoto (talk) 13:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
    I have resolved the issue already some days ago by creating the Economy category. This is enough, adding the files additionally to the Category:Pereslavl-Zalessky would be over-categorisation. --A.Savin 19:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Сейчас вы предлагаете так: «город, экономика, предприятия». То есть между городом и предприятиями вы добавляете лишнюю «экономику», что и создаёт over-categorisation. Я же предлагаю прямо вводить предприятия в город и торговлю в город, как оно и было раньше. Не вижу причин для over-categorisation через избыточную промежуточную «экономику». --PereslavlFoto (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
      Wrong, please read COM:OVERCAT. "Buildings" and "Economy" are different topic trees. --A.Savin 23:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
        • Речь не про здания. Речь про промышленные предприятия, их работников, их товары, их события. Между понятием «город» и «предприятия» вы вставляете понятие «экономика», которое в данном случае представляется лишним. Поэтому я и спрашиваю у вас, какие же причины заставляют вас делать over-categorisation, создавая избыточную промежуточную категорию? --PereslavlFoto (talk) 11:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
        • Причём вы не помещаете в более точную существующую категорию. Напротив, вы создаёте избыточную категорию, и вовсе не потому, что она кому-то нужна. --PereslavlFoto (talk) 11:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Stolbovsky, Elkost: Коллеги, у вас есть какая-нибудь идея, как объяснить товарищу, что если в условном Переславле есть условный кирпичный завод, то, если он в категориях "Здания в Переславле" и "Экономика в Переславле" -- это нормально, а если в категорях "Здания в Переславле" и "Переславль" -- это оверкат? Лично мне трудно пытаться доказать, что дважды два четыре, а не 100500, если товарищ глубоко убеждён, что таки 100500. Спасибо. --A.Savin 12:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

  • Ему не надо быть в категории про экономику. Ему достаточно быть в категории про предприятия. Тем более что речь идёт вовсе не про здания, а про работников, продукцию, события и всё остальное, что связано с предприятием. Проблема лишь в том, что вы не хотите включать предприятия в город. Вы делаете over-categorisation, создавая промежуточную категорию про экономику. --PereslavlFoto (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
    Предприятия -- это про экономику. Так что логической неувязки здесь нет. --A.Savin 14:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
    • И поэтому вы создаёте промежуточную категорию, которая буквально совпадает с категорией "предприятия"? --PereslavlFoto (talk) 14:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • У глубокоуважаемого коллеги PereslavlFoto свой взгляд на многое на Commons (как и вообще о самом смысле Commons) и, порой, нежелание использовать принятую сообществом логику тех же древ категорий (одни события города Переславля по дням чего стоят). Почему, например, коллега решил, что "Посетителям нужен простой переход из темы города в тему городских предприятий."? Мне вот не нужен. С таким подходом можно всё в корень вынести: и предприятия, и музеи, и больницы, и парки. Можно проголосовать за наиболее удачный вариант решения вышестоящего спора о категоризации предприятий в городе, может это будет убедительно для коллеги --Stolbovsky (talk) 18:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
    • А как же следует группировать события, которые произошли 20 июня в разные годы? Какая правильная технология для того, чтобы увидеть историю каждого дня? --PereslavlFoto (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Здравствуйте! Привожу недавний случай здесь. Плодовитый фотограф настаивал оставить сотни фотографий природы в общей категории его города, потому что подкатегории „препятствуют прямому доступу к образам“. Здешний спор подобен – о прямом доступе к категориям (и файлам) предприятий. Если однако удовлетворять подобные желания, то основная категория будет перегруженной.
  • У каждого есть своя шкала ценностей, но в общем проекте мы должны следовать общим правилам и моделям. Касаясь городов, копируем схему категорий стран, но без лишних (пустых) категорий. Бесспорно, что предприятия – часть экономики, а также – здания и организации. Так что категории „Экономика“ и „Здания“ города – удачны для городских предприятий. При этом категории и файлы предприятий нельзя оставлять в надкатегории города, об этом знает каждый опытный участник проектов Википедии. Вот, в русской википедии есть служебная статья „Википедия:Категоризация“, где совсем ясно сказано: „Если статья подходит по смыслу для категории «А» и её подкатегории «Б», то её, как правило, следует включать только в «Б»“ --Elkost (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Речь не о том, куда включать файлы. Речь о том, надо ли заново создавать' категорию "экономика", если она буквально совпадает с "предприятиями".
    • Кстати говоря, категория о предприятии — это не о зданиях. Это в первую очередь категория о сотрудниках и событиях. --PereslavlFoto (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
      Экономика отнюдь не ограничивается предприятиями, а категорию предприятий я никогда и в жизни не помещал в здания. --A.Savin 14:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Glad[edit]

It is good you are back. I'm sorry for any pain you felt. --Kalbbes (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, thet's how Commons' community works: one user publicly accuses me of violence threats, the other, who has just been waiting for the trigger all the time, believes it and makes use of it in order to make me sick. As long as you are not willing to withdraw your terrible violence accusations, it is hard for me to respect you. --A.Savin 01:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I did not publicly accuse you of physical violence. I was traumatized by your behavior toward me. The lock down from the virus and the physical violence in my country has worn on me. Kalbbes (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Rusian Embassy in Clifton, Karachi[edit]

Russian Embassy says it is located in Clifton, Karachi Kalbbes (talk) 00:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Russia has no embassy in Karachi, only the consulate general, and yeah, it is in Clifton area, yet not on the beach. --A.Savin 01:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm referring to the building, the location of which you reverted which is in Clifton. But like I asked Would you mind etc.. The beach stuff could stay at the beach. Kalbbes (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand your comment. All I can tell at this point, is that my own pictures are properly categorized. --A.Savin 00:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Bagh Ibne Qasim[edit]

The enwiki article says this is in Clifton Beach, but I don't want you to freak out, so I put it in both. Though I think I will remove Clifton, Karachi per overcat. Kalbbes (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Same with the enwiki article on Jehangir Kothari Parade. (It says Clifton Beach.) Kalbbes (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The Sydenham Pavilion was in London, so I changed the name a little. Kalbbes (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Your reversion of "Roof of Frere Hall" as a "duplicate"[edit]

It is not a "duplicate.

English: Pakistani Artist Sadequain's mural Arz-o-Samawat on the roof of Frere Hall, Karachi, Pakistan.
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This is a photo of a monument in Pakistan identified as the
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A roof is not the same as a ceiling. I will ask at the help desk about this. Kalbbes (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

As far as I understand, there is only one painting by Sadequain, and that is -- on the (interior) ceiling and not on the (exterior) roof. --A.Savin 23:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm really, really, really sick of it all. It's bad enough that you create inappropriately connected and/or duplicate categories yourself. But you are also sabotaging my work, because every category I try to create I do it to the best of my knowledge and consciousness, with all necessary things such as Wikidata Infobox for example (and this connected to WD item, and WP article). And you are destroying my work, because you go there after me and add redundant categories, or create duplicate parallel categories. Did you know that if you have a problem with catregory naming, you have to move the category, not create a parallel one? And if I revert you, you complain about me on admin boards. And the admins who are watching them, do not help me, but terrorize me even more. They say I'm an inappropriate admin, because I would treat you bad. But what should I do when I work carefully (unlike you) and you are sabotaging my work? How I'm sick of this terror. Why are all the people so aggressive and unfair? Colin help me please, I really don't know anymore... --A.Savin 23:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
This is an extremely poor, unfair, and unjust conclusion. --A.Savin 00:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Kalbbes, A.Savin has high standards and as he says, follows through with meticulous "added value" such as wiki data. I can see why one might get frustrated to see someone confusing a roof with a ceiling and wrecking the category structure that was created. I do understand that the JPGs name made the same mistake. I think you are working in good faith, but for whatever reason, are pressing the wrong buttons with A.Savin at the moment. I'm not a category expert so can't really judge whether A.Savin is being too harsh or you are being too clumsy. One solution is for each of you to try to take a break from each other's areas/edits, and another is for you try a less confrontational/bold style of editing. Kalbbes, rather than boldly change and re-categorise images in those areas, make some proposals to A.Savin and see if he agrees or suggest adjustments. I know that is a bit tedious, but then so is repairing something afterwards. A.Savin, rather than reverting/deleting/whatever, something that Kalbbes just did, explain to them in a professional manner why you think that made things worse or what alterations you think are needed to make it work. Then perhaps both of you can see how the other guy is thinking, but without the added tension of having one's work "destroyed" by the other. Both perhaps needs to compromise a little. If you both can't agree on something, ask for a third opinion (not me, I know nothing). Eventually perhaps you can learn to trust each other again. Or maybe you guys just need a break for a while to put it all into perspective. -- Colin (talk) 09:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Colin, I have made suggestions to A.Savin on his page and mine many times. He has told me to stop "EOD". Since he stalks me, how can I "take a break from him"? Your advice reflects that you are unaware of what has transpired.
A.Savin feels sorry for himself when one edit he "owns" is "destroyed". So he has "destroyed" in return. I have asked for a "third" opinion at the Help desk several times and A.Savin resents that, if you have read his posts. On the roof vs. ceiling issue, I was told to look at the Pakistan documentation of the heritage ID. Did A.Savin do that? No. There is a clear double standard here. What Pakistan wants/thinks doesn't matter if you are an Admin.
I have tried to please A.Savin ever since he targeted me. I used the "thank" button. I put many images into cats I knew he would find (and he did). He continues unknowingly to use mostly cats I have created.
A.Savin's "high standards" are for himself ("my work") - his vanity. He is not thinking of the overall good of the Commons. He punishes any editor that touches "my work". I am not alone in having a low opinion of "wiki data" and the infoboxes as "added value".
Why do I have 400,000 edits in 4 years? Because I comb the "uncategorized" regularly and I create needed cats. That's why my cats have lasted. Often I go back and refine the cat myself as the category system has evolved.
I don't feel I "own" categories I create. I don't feel my edits are personal as A.Savin does his. The way A.Savin gets back emphasizes his power. I am (was) working for the overall good of the Commons. It feels like you are patronizing me. I am looked down upon for using the wording that Pakistan uses on its heritage ID's, as "confusing a roof with a ceiling". And "destroying a category system" when I created those categories for Pakistan. So maybe I am "clumsy" and don't have "high standards"? I think I have been too compliant. Being nasty seems to work for A.Savin. Thank you for presently reality. Best, Kalbbes (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I am posting this on my talk page also; A.Savin deletes posts. Kalbbes (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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User:RIAN archive[edit]

Здравствуйте! Скажите, пожалуйста, это настоящий участник, не подделка? Просто много раз слышал, что РИА Новости давно прекратило загрузку фотографий, и делалась она только с учётки RIANbot. А тут свежие, а еще смутило, что кропы с них, похоже, делает бессрочник: File:RIAN archive 5564990 Alexander Bortnikov (cropped).jpg. --VLu (talk) 06:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Мне ничего не известно даже о каких-либо попытках возобновления сотрудничества с этой конторой (на всякий случай пингую Стаса Козловского, если вдруг я что проспал), так что файлы нужно выносить на удаление, а учётку закрывать. --A.Savin 10:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
"РИА Новости" реорганизовано в другую организацию - "Россия Сегодня". Практически весь коллектив поменялся. Несколько лет назад юристы "России Сегодня" хотели отозвать картинки, но я им объяснил, что Creative Commons безотзывная. Соответственно, они отстали, но надежды на возобновление проекта особо нет. С 2017 года проект закрыт.--Ctac (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Ctac, так значит это подложная учётка? --VLu (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
A.Savin, Putnik и Sealle, хозяин этой учётки вычисляется очень легко — это Dgeise, которого уже много раз ловили на многоликости и подложном авторстве. Именно он добавлял ссылки на фото по всем языковым разделам сразу после загрузки. Вот здесь это особенно красиво: начинает править статью, на следующий день загружает фото и добавляет его в эту статью. --VLu (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Dgeise уже с февраля обессрочен, RIAN archive я заблокировал. Про те давние обстоятельства разрыва сотрудничества с РИАН я в общем знал. --A.Savin 01:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Не обессрочен, заблокирован до августа. И файлы не удалены. --VLu (talk) 02:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Темношеий заяц на FP[edit]

Здравствуйте, Александр!
Снимок хороший, только баланс белого желательно поправить. Сейчас кадр получается слишком лиловым (закатное освещение в тени). Как пример исправления в Фотошопе: Ctrl+B, на средних тонах второй ползунок (пурпурный-зеленый) на +18. И затем автоконтраст чуть поднять.
Попробуйте пересоздать картинку из исходника, я готов поддержать после исправления.
С уважением, Георгий --George Chernilevsky talk 10:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, Георгий, спасибо за совет, ✓ попробовал ;-) --A.Savin 13:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Tеперь ОК, плюсую --George Chernilevsky talk 13:44, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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Tag revert[edit]

Hi. Do you mind if I ask why you reverted my addition of tags to the enyov (Tula Oblast) 03-2014 img14 train station.jpg? Because it seems to me that they were correct. It is a building. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Because there should be only the most specific tags (see COM:Depicts), so in this case Venyov, and Ralway station (which is a subcase of building). --A.Savin 03:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Your revert is not supported by en:wiki article[edit]

See List of cultural heritage site in Karachi#Clifton

Best, Kalbbes (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I see. What is the question? --A.Savin 22:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Why do you prefer to bury images, contrary to the way en:wiki lists them? Kalbbes (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Please read COM:OVERCAT. Category:Clifton Beach (Karachi) -> Category:Bagh Ibne Qasim -> Category:Jehangir Kothari Parade, Karachi. --A.Savin 14:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I have read that. I have argued before about some of this with Aunt6, or whatever his/her name is, and gotten my way because much of finding a cat requires prior knowledge of what/where something is in order to find it (or even know it exists - like the bandstand buried under the park). Much of the time to categorize, one must actually look at the building, lake or whatever, to see where it goes. And some editors bury things under "Nature of" or "Economy of" or some equally nonspecific cats. And different countries, cities etc. categorize in different ways. Kalbbes (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that's how Commons works. If you don't like it, probably Flickr or something is better place for you. --A.Savin 15:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
You are such a joy! I see you use the categories I invent all the time! (I know because I follow the ones I make.) Joy to you! Kalbbes (talk) 00:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, some of the categories I use for my pictures, were started by you. So what? Does it make these categories your private property? --A.Savin 03:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you have nothing to do but revert what I do within minutes?[edit]

Why? Much of what you revert is a question of judgment. You prefer to bury images in categories so that a person has to know where a set of images is already to find it. Maybe I should be flattered that you are so focused on me, yes? Kalbbes (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Please read COM:OVERCAT. Category:Karachi -> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Karachi -> Category:Karachi Cantonment railway station. --A.Savin 14:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Bhah! Kalbbes (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Patience to you, A.Savin! Last time there are so many persistent in their ignorance users here. Common sense is leaving this community --Stolbovsky (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Вопрос по категориям[edit]

Приветствую. В категории Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Crimea есть ряд категорий с цифровым названием. Пример — Category:WLM/9230224000. Нужно ли создавать их вообще или лучше делать перенаправления на уже имеющиеся страницы? Category:WLM/9230224000 = Category:Train stations in Sevastopol. Заранее спасибо. --Mitte27 (talk) 19:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, эти категории (как и шаблоны с их включением) создавались некоторыми участниками Викигида и если кому ещё и нужны, то только им. --A.Savin 01:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Arkhangelskoe[edit]

Вы не знаете, почему она скрытая? Я, вроде, в коде ничего подозрительного не вижу. Это не может быть связано с шаблоном Cultural Heritage Russia?--Ymblanter (talk) 12:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Спасибо, что заметили. Сейчас кто-то в массовом порядке создаёт категории "WLM/xxxxx", не потрудимши добавить туда хидденкат. Я добавил её в шаблон, но забыл про то, что он стоит не только в таких категориях. Поэтому отменил. Надеюсь, теперь всё OK. --A.Savin 12:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Ага, спасибо, отлично. Если я вдруг что-то замечу, что не могу исправить, дам знать.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators/Request/JGoode13[edit]

  • "G1. Test page, accidental creation, or page containing nonsense or no valid content". Really? How about COM:AGF? Rodhullandemu (talk) 22:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
    The "candidate" has 1 (one) edit. --A.Savin 22:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I know. He's severely optimistic. He doesn't understand how we work. He has no experience. Other than that, we know nothing about him. Some forums accept volunteers as admins, much as en:WP did in its very early days. But that's no reason to use the wrong reason to delete his application, from which he may learn, or bite a newbie. Unless he's a vandal, but we have no evidence for that either. Rodhullandemu (talk) 22:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Suppression de mes mots clés[edit]

Bonjour. Avez-vous une raison pour supprimer mes mots clés ? Amicalement. - C'est moi (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour. The claim you tried to add to File:NN Metro Komsomolskaya station 08-2016.jpg does not fit to the "lighting" property. --A.Savin 19:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Переименование файла[edit]

Добрый день. File:Emblem of Byelorussian SSR 1937.jpg File:Bssr gerb 1926 1937.png File:Emblem of the Byelorussian SSR (1926-1937).svg. Герб с 1937 года. Почему в названии файла фигурирует 1926? Валко (talk) 01:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Не знаю, я эти файлы не загружал. --A.Savin 01:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Да конечно, я знаю, вы эти файлы не загружали. я обратился к вам как администратору с просьбой о переименовании этих файлов. я вставлял их на переименование, но почему то отказывали в переименовании. Возможно из за незнания русского языка. ru:Герб Белорусской ССР, be:Герб Беларускай ССР, en:National emblem of Belarus. Я, разве один вижу несоответствие описание и название? Валко (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Если вам отказывали в переименовании, то надо сначала понять, на каком основании, прежде чем "напролом" переименовывать. Я не специалист по истории Белоруссии, но, возможно, белорусский администратор EugeneZelenko сможет вам помочь: попробуйте обратиться к нему. --A.Savin 15:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Спасибо, за совет. Только вот, я не понимаю отказ в переименовании из за чего. Валко (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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