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Edit warring

Please do not make edit warring. If you will continue warring. You'll be blocked.--Anatoliy (talk) 11:22, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

You have no clue what you're talking about, don't threaten me just because Bidgee lies about me to save his own face. Edit warring is a systematic and repetitive conflict between two users over a file or page. A single revision against one user on one file does not an edit war make, nor does a revision against oneself. If you and Bidgee want to make the argument that reverting yourself, or reverting another user once counts as "edit warring", I'll see the two of you in that debate any day! Fry1989 eh? 15:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Road signs of the Netherlands

Please don't change the colours of the road signs of the Netherlands and leave them in the RAL traffic colours. Please stop editwarring and please stop changing things where you don't have knowledge of. --Bouwe Brouwer (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't pretend to know what my knowledge is, the signs are supposed to have solid white and black. Fry1989 eh? 19:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Botswana no-stopping sign

Hello, I know that the sign I posted does not have a specific photo source, but it was strange for me that while all other signs in the Botswana page have a red edge and blue background, this had a white edge for some unknown reason. After looking at the source photo given in one of the links of the page, I thouhgt that maybe the white colour could be due to the meteorological wear of that specifical sign, deducing that its original colour was also red. I know it was just a supposition, but as I couldn't find any explanation for such a change in the sign's design, I supposed (and still think) that the red-and-blue one would be more correct, so I ask you not to delete it. It is my first time here, sorry for my inexperience, I just wanted to be helpful. --Osasunaitor (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Next time, if you thing a file is wrong, you can talk to the uploader about it to try and fix it. Fry1989 eh? 21:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Emblem of SFR Yugoslavia

Hello Fry1989 and nice to meet you. Could you kindly tell me the problem with the previous file of the national emblem of SFR Yugoslavia? In my opinion this version has more details than the current one, the correct oval shape and font on ribbon. And there're some sources from Yugoslavia using that version. Including banknotes, passport cover, official documents from president office as follows:

I agree with you for emblem on a webpage, there should not be much 3D effects. However according to sources above, the original design did have some so I reduced it by adjusting contrast color.

In my opinion, we are all volunteers who spend our free time to make Wikipedia more accurate and better. Acutally I don't have personal preference with both version, but to make the image accord with historical facts. If there're official sources from Yugoslavia shows the design of the emblem, I think we'd better follow.

Thank you and happy editing!

-- Ericmetro (talk) 04:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

The way it is on the banknotes is different from even how it is on the other sources you have provided. The 3D-ness needs to go all together, it's not on the other sources. The two versions would be better combined some how than this drastic change. The banner is horrible and choppy on the new one too, it needs to be re-done. Fry1989 eh? 16:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you - yeah I agree that the best official source is the scheme in laws or national standards. I tried to find the official documents with the scheme from Yugoslavia, but I hardly find any. Therefore if we can not find a better source to prove it is not accurate (for we found sources to prove Thai emblem on banknotes is not official), banknotes can be regard as realiable sources in my opinion. I think the priority in selecting sources is: scheme in laws > passports, banknotes > documents from centeral government > documents from local government > stamps etc.
As for the old version, I think it is a good solution to combine both designs if we found sources supporting both version. Unfortunately I'm afraid the problem is I didn't see any sources support that version, while I searched several sources showing the new version. In my opinion drastically difference is not a problem if the previous one is not accurate. After all the original uploader User:R-41 also support the new version.
As we haven't find a better source yet, I suggest we could follow the emblem on passport [1] and government documents [2] [3]. I also noticed that on banknotes there's a little bit more 3D-ness on the banner, which not appears on the passport and the two document. I'll try to remove these effects to make it accord with these two sources and upload a new version later today.
-- Ericmetro (talk) 05:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I did some fix on the oval version. Removed those redundant 3D-ness on the banner, lowered the color contrast and make the bottom of the banner clear. This time I also picked up a border police badge (1946-63 version emblem) as a reference to the shape of the banner ([4]). Color of the banner from a book published in China in 1980s ([5]). -- Ericmetro (talk) 11:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Costa Rica.svg

Hello, Fry1989. I have reverted your new upload to File:Coat of arms of Costa Rica.svg because it is obvius they're not the same image. The first image has a well declared source. The second image (the one you uploaded) is not sourced, and so I can not prove it is in the public domain. --Ralgistalk 18:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

They are infact the same image, they're written the same way. Please stay away from things you don't know about. Fry1989 eh? 21:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

LGBT maps

Hey, so I can see you are very gung-ho about updating the images for the various LGBT maps which is great, but in regards to the South America map, I'm having trouble editing the legend. It doesn't seem to want to let me. Is there any way you could do that for me, and I'll upload the new image? It would be greatly appreciated. Until then, I won't be updating the map.

-chase1493 (talk) 1:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Sure, you can upload your new version and I can update the legend for you. Fry1989 eh? 18:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Might want to nominate this one for deletion...

File:Icons-flag-bat.png. -- AnonMoos (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 21:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Rome flag

Hi there, Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#City_of_Rome.27s_official_flag:_Update_request is your sort of territory - what do you think? Rd232 (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Sadly Italian is not one of the languages I have a clue with, but based on page 12 of the PDF, it looks legit to me. Fry1989 eh? 21:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Flag of Albania reply

sorry for my behavior last night but you need to understand that i would never edit it if it was this one i swear, the Parliament chose this one cause it fits for the emblem only, it was used before in the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha. But if you watch closely between the two heads you will see a difference " the left head is a bit below and the right head is above, this is why.. so i would be grateful if you return the official eagle that is currently Regards, AceDouble (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC).

File:Map of Mexico, gay rights.svg

La versión del mapa señalando a Oaxaca como una entidad donde se permite el matrimonio gay es errónea. En México, una resolución de la Corte no significa una modificación de las leyes estatales. Mientras el Congreso de Oaxaca no modifique el Código Civil local —lo que fue requerido por inconstitucionalidad de su artículo 143—, en Oaxaca no se permiten los matrimonios gay. Las parejas pueden apelar a un es:Juicio de amparo y esperar una respuesta de la Corte, pero esto no significa que la ley oaxaqueña haya sido modificada. Por favor, lea es:Matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo en México. Saludos, Yavidaxiu (talk) 20:36, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Coat of arms of the grand duchy of Finland

Greetings. I would like to invite you to this discussion on the coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Finland. It would be nice to hear why the saber-trampling lion is more accurate. --Pxos (talk) 21:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Fry I need Your Help

I was trying to update this image: to THIS image:

but i dont know, im having problems in the updating need you help the second images has the fixed coat of arms. wating your massage,

User: cheposo

Many files are having trouble updating recently. All you can really do is upload your new version, and let the system work itself out. It may take days, the longest it took for me once was about a week. If it doesn't fix itself after a few days, you will have to upload your new version as a different file. Fry1989 eh? 22:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Flag question

Hi there. I notice that File:Bandeira do Espírito Santo.svg is an SVG flag seemingly based on a mere legal description "blue, white, pink". File:Espiritosantostato.jpg has quite different colours. Maybe you could look into this? I'm not sure that either is correct. Thanks, Rd232 (talk) 12:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Searching for pics of real flags, they seem to support the pink in the SVG, but a blue darker then even the JPG. Fry1989 eh? 21:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, if you're sure enough, feel free to correct it - it's not something I can do. Rd232 (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm gonna look around a bit more, and then I'll update accordingly. Fry1989 eh? 22:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
If I am allowed to interject, the blue/white/pink colors are correct. There is a VI Manual for the state, and while it does state Pantone colors for the logotype used, it doesn't specifically say these colors were taken from the flag. Page 51 of the PDF file does have the state coat of arms and uses the same color scheme as the flag. Just a possible idea. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Gradually I be fed up with all that nonsense games of your rollbacks / modifications with completely flimsy arguments. YOU must specify a reference, I do not have to come to YOUR ​​personally and ask for a rebuttal. Totally crazy. So what? Where is your glory secret reference now? -- ΠЄΡΉΛΙΟ 01:44, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Let me tell you something, I'm absolutely tired of people like you who are clearly so incompetent that when you see a file changed with a revision quote of "per talk", you are incapable of going to that talk page and politely requesting a follow-up. "Per talk" is used all the time by users when they make changes, it's not some thing I just came up with myself so I don't have to bother giving a full edit summary every time I change something. In this case I was specifically asked by another user to look into this flag, the differences between the SVG and the JPEG's colour settings, and change it accordingly based on what I find. What I did [6]find, and you would too if you weren't so lazy, is that while most digital representations use the previous lighter blue, any REAL flags including those flown at government offices use the darker one that I changed it to. I don't answer to you, I answer to people who ask me to help them, and I try my best to do so. Fry1989 eh? 01:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes I really don't like to discuss with you. (I mean, you're probably not without reason, the one with most conflicts here. You ever wonder why? Except that you're doing a lot. I personally really wondering that some ask YOU for this flag.) But anyway we don't need to discuss here, because the source is clear. You don't have another official source as so often! If you have another unofficial source, you maybe can upload to another file. So I'll revert your version. SO if you can't answer simply normal objectively and factual so EOD. -- ΠЄΡΉΛΙΟ 21:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm one of the most conflictive persons here because I'm strong-headed and don't take bullshit like you're trying to hand me right now. People ask me for help because whether you agree or not, I do know a lot, about a lot of different things, and I try to help people who need it. I can also be very pleasant and polite to those who are in return, but as soon as you're rude to me, it's all you will get back. Do you have any counter-sources for this flag to base your revert on? I'd be interested in seeing one if you do and that certainly may change my opinion on the flag, but if you don't, don't waste my time with games. I was asked, I did what was asked. Fry1989 eh? 22:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
(@Zscout370) Well and good, it is possible to infer from the logo colors to the flag but purely speculative (especially the dark blue). Here is a unique source, which shows also that your (experts) proportions are definitely wrong.[7] Keeps playing alone here you experts. Never to see again. -- ΠЄΡΉΛΙΟ 13:43, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Some source, it looks like nothing more than the Brazillian version of FOTW. Stop screwing around. Fry1989 eh? 20:02, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Perhelion, I have checked the source you gave me this morning (I was at work so I could not log in) and I noticed some problems with it. First, it mentions the decree when the flag and other symbols of the state was created. I found the decree at and a lot of things do not match up. The only thing correct in the terms of size is that the flag ratio is 7x10, which copies that of the national flag. According to the decree, the individual stripes are equal in size and shape. I specifically point out this passage "A bandeira do Estado terá as dimensões estabelecidas para a bandeira nacional, em três campos - azul, branco e rosa - retangulares, longitudinais e iguais, tendo no centro do segundo, em arco de letras azuis, a legenda: "trabalha e confia"." So that specification that you show with the stripes uneven is not correct. Second, there is no source provided for the colors used on the flag. While we are all still trying to figure out what shades (light or dark) are to be used on the flag, there is no source on where the website got their colors from. I do have some logo sheets from the Espírito Santo Government and they do vary on colors. One agency, who uses colors from the flag, has the colors that I have uploaded already. Another agency, also taking the colors from the flag, have a Process Cyan Coated and Process Magenta Coated (so those are bright). I have other sheets that go from those shades in both directions so the actual, true shades are still unknown at this point. I'll be happy to look some more, but I can honestly say that would not be the best bet to look at flag information (or if we do, need to have their information verified by other sources). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


Dont worry, i will do it ,im working on it right now.


Hi Again!!!

I do understand why in the inglish wikipedia your article is ok and wrong on the Spanish One, here is the answer:

Most of the Latin American people are closed minded, whithout any capacity for thinking. In this part of the world (latin america) people is so retarded... they dont analize things. if the majority of Latin Americans were more inteligent, we latinos would be developed countries. your article is good. i send him the message. ill be wating for him. stay in touch with me.


Lets Improve the Article!!!

Hey fry!!! I have some news: jorge barrios sended me a mesage, im going to translate it for you. he sais that he can speak english so, you can feeel free to talk whith him just like you talk whith me.

«i gave him an example of articles whith large galery of images with the article named «bandera de proa» that looks like yours.»

this is the article he sended to me:

¡Hola! ¿Sabes lo que me hizo marcar el artículo para destruirlo? El hecho de que solo tiene una línea de texto y el resto son solo descripciones básicas de cada señal. El artículo en inglés y el de «bandera de proa» que me muestras tienen, al menos, algunos párrafos de información, lo que los hace asemejarse más a un artículo enciclopédico, en cambio, «señales de tráfico en Chile» parece nada más que una colección de imágenes, lo cual cae dentro de lo que Wikipedia no es. Debido a que Fry1989 pasó mucho tiempo confeccionándolo y a que el tema del artículo me parece apropiado para una enciclopedia, optaré por abrir una consulta de borrado. De esta manera sabremos la opinión de otros usuarios y le daremos un mes al autor (y a otros colaboradores) para desarrollar la información y el formato del artículo. Saludos y gracias por ser interlocutor, aunque yo sé inglés :) Jorge Barrios (discusión) 01:24 17 dic 2012 (UTC) This is the translation of the mesage that jorge barrios sended to me:


«Hi! do You know what made me to marc the article for destroy it? The fact that it only has one (1) line of text, and the rest are just descriptions of each signal. The English and spanish Articles named «bandera de proa» that you show me, at least, they have some paragraphs of information. That makes them look like enciclopedic articles, but instead, «señales de tráfico en Chile» just looks like a colection of images, and that does not fit with wikipedia. Because Fry1989 spended time making the Article, and the subject of the article seems appropriate for an encyclopedia, im going to open a conference of deletion. This way we will know the opinion of other users and we are going to give fry1989 oune month to improve the information and the format of the article. Greetings and thank you for beeing a intercomunicator, cheposo, although i know english.»

stay in touch with me to save the article.

user: cheposo

Im going to start helping whith something

Im traslating the paragraph of your article fromenglish to spanish right know.

User: Cheposo

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Friuli-Venezia Giulia-Flag.png

Don't know if you can help at all here: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Friuli-Venezia Giulia-Flag.png is about a very widely used file. Rd232 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I was out of town for a few days. I don't really know about this one. Fry1989 eh? 01:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The great strategy

i have a plan to save the article: you know, im good translating articles, and i have good experience translating. the strategy that im suggesting is this: I want you improve the article in english. then im going to translate it. please, the explanations have to de simple, to translate the article quick. it has to be easy and simple for me tro translate it quick

Ah another thing: Can i put the coat of arms of the dominican republic in my galery? im proud of it, and i want to put it on my gallery, you know, im the creator of the correct reproduction.

user: cheposo

Yes you absolutely can and I think you should. You worked hard on it, something to be proud of. As for the article, I hope you'll forgive me because it's kinda like we are translating from Spanish to English and then back to Spanish, because the sources have a little section about each sign and it's meaning and where it is used but it's in Spanish so I have to translate it so I can understand it, and then you gotta translate my English stuff back. I think it will work out though, and I am so thankful for your assistance because doing it on my own would take 10 times as long. Fry1989 eh? 03:11, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Albanian Ministry of defence

The eagle from the Ministry of Defence is the original one used in the Castrioti Family Seal, but currently i couldn't find the vectorized version.. However it's a shame that the Ministry didn't upload the vectorized logos, this is why we are having trouble identifying our own flag, i could draw some of the logos perhaps, but for the eagle there is no way i could make it exactly as it looks like cause it takes much more time to be precisely, only an expert can do that. For now i don't have time, cause i have some exams to pass and i'm going to study hard for that in Architecture. Regards, AceDouble (talk) 11:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC).

Altering Irish Flags

Please stop reverting to flags I myself created, Regards Caomhan27

You're the one altering the flags, uploading distorted ones over old designs. You need to stop. Fry1989 eh? 01:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me but I made the "old designs" from scratch so i think that affords me the right to upload a new updated version if i so choose, please leave the irish flags to someone from ireland, the new ones are not distorted. Regards Caomhan27

Ok first of all, you're not the original uploader of the flags, even if you did correct them, and even if you were that doesn't give you absolute license over them. Second, save me the nationalistic "only people from my country can know anything about flags in my country" bullshit. Fry1989 eh? 01:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The flags you are reverting to actually were all 100% made completely by me..yes i did make them public domain so your right i do not have absolute licence over them just seems ridiculous to have someone revert to a flag i made when i am attempting to improve on the original. I wouldnt say that people from their own country know everything about them but it would be natural for them to know more than foreigners. Maybe go create something that took a little effort yourself, save the language for elsewhere Caomhan27

I have made a lot of things that consumed my effort and time, I can assure you that thank you very much. The licensing of the files has nothing to do with it, the fact that you created a file, doesn't mean you have license to change it in a manner which makes it inaccurate. The whole point here of adding flags is to accurately depict the symbols of countries, provinces, whatever else. Lengthening the flags makes them look distorted, and you haven't provided a source for the longer ratio either. Both are good reasons to revert your change. As for my choice of language, I'll save it when you save your ignorant nationalism. I certainly wouldn't try and tell someone from Ireland to "leave Canadian flags to someone from Canada". Fry1989 eh? 03:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, I took your lengthening critic on board (however you ignored the relevant information regarding the ulster banner exact same dimensions despite your username appearing there) and re-sized, you seem to be under the illusion that the previous sizes are somehow set in stone, "i choose" what you are now deeming the "accurate ratio" there is no set prescribed ratio for the flags in question but yes if it looks distorted to your eyes then i will take that point on board. I apologize for my myopic nationalist statement, canadians can have just as much knowledge and insight into how different provincial flags of Ireland should look. Caomhan27


See Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#Dutch Parliament symbols. I've restored the files so the fix can be done. INeverCry 21:15, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I can't edit them in my inkscape because they were made in Adobe Illustrator, so I had to make a Graphic Lab request. Please be patient for the change of lions. Fry1989 eh? 22:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
No hurry. BTW, I'm seeing 4 of your uploads (like this one) in Category:Incomplete media renaming requests. INeverCry 01:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience. As for my uploads, that's very odd they shouldn't be in there at all, thank you for alerting me. Fry1989 eh? 01:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

moving filename breaks usage, please undo.

Hi Fry1989,

I saw that you have moved File:Flag of Libyan Arab Republic 1969.svg to File:Flag of Libya (1969–1972).svg.

I'm not sure if you've realised this, but the redirect you made for the original name only works for the Wikimedia infopage for the image. It doesn't work when the image is used in wikipedia articles.

On you can see a big list of pages where the original link is present and the image is now broken on all these pages. And on more pages, in other languages.

Please have a look at Commons:File_renaming#Which_files_should_not_be_renamed.3F. In this case, I would argue that the renaming doesn't bring any real advantages. The old name was not incorrect, just formatted differently. So here the rule of thumb would apply: do not change the name, because you'll be breaking other pages.

I do not have file moving rights myself, so would like to urge you to undo this move; otherwise someone would have to edit all of the pages involved. (I suppose that someone could be you, but I'm not sure that was your plan?)


--Endorf (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I will not undo the rename, there is a process of file name replacement and I am working on it. The rename was justified for easier use of the flags by having a common name and time of use in brackets, most of the Libyan flags followed this, the one flag did not. As said, I am working on replacement with the new name, please be patient. Fry1989 eh? 01:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Ah ok, didn't realise you were really in the middle of doing this. Never mind my nagging, then :) Thanks for your quick reply and keep up the good work! Endorf (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The breaks are unfortunate, this used to never happen the redirects would work fine, but in the last few months this problem has been happening. The replacement of the thumbs on English Wikipedia will require an administrator to change the Country Data template for Libya, it was put under full protection because of the civil war. I have put in a protected page edit request, which should be done shortly. Other replacements on unprotected pages I am doing myself since Commons Delinker isn't behaving nicely. I expected someone to notice the breaks, so I'm not upset. Fry1989 eh? 01:40, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

flag of the Helvetic Republic

>faded colours of an ancient flag are hardly reflective of what it once was

I agree that flag colors may have fade out with the time and the yellow was probably brighter (or even almost gold) than it looks now. But the green and red are still darker than your version and it is very unlikely that they become darker over the years.
On the other side, some painted or printed sources show precisely how the colors used to look like at that time. Therefore, I corrected the background colors and font size one more time.

Based on File:Fahnentraeger helvetik.jpg, your colours still are too dark. Fry1989 eh? 19:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Austro-Hungarian flag ...again

Hi there, please look at this [8] and this [9] he used his own managed bot to spam a wrong versions of the rejected flag, I'm thinking this is an a problematic issue, do you agree? --Nicola Romani (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

He uses his own bot to get around consensus for files so he doesn't have to edit war manually, he has done this many times before with all sorts of files he doesn't like and I think it's time we raise the issue of his bot abuse on an administrator's noticeboard. Fry1989 eh? 20:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
After having seen this [10] and this [11], I agree with you, he also changed the flag template on the spanish wikipedia, in order to change everything on his own POV. --Nicola Romani (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

File:Standard of the President of Kazakhstan.svg is the source for the new standard for Kazakhstan. If you can upload the older file under a new name, that would be awesome. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes I will do so, but can you in return please deal with User:Caomhan27? He's treating the old flags of the Irish 4 provinces like a playground. For example, in the last 3 days alone, he has altered File:Flag of Connacht.svg 22 times. He has changes proportions, designs, colours, he doesn't post sources, and it's really disruptive. I tried to stop it and you can see the above argument here on my talk page, essentially all I got was "leave Irish things to Irish users". He needs to either pick a design and stick with it (preferably with a source), or play around on a test file or on his computer and then upload when he's happy with it. Fry1989 eh? 05:08, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I reverted back to the 2009 file, told him to bring sources and discussion before changing the file again. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 05:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
It's not just the one, it's all of them. The combined flag of the for provinces, he can't seem to decide which flag should be in which corner, he's put Ulster first, then another first, then gone back to Ulster, then whatever other kind of combination. I have uploaded the old standard at File:Standard of the President of Kazakhstan (1991-2013).svg. Fry1989 eh? 05:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I found them all and reverted all but Leinster since that wasn't touched. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 05:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 05:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Greek government "seals"

Please take a moment to read the relevant Law 48/1975 and to compare with an example of the actual Presidency seal here, and you will see that all of these supposed "seals" are inaccurate to the point of being fictional. This is all the more so since no state institution in Greece uses seals in coloured form as escutcheons, they are only used to stamp documents with. I have a hunch that the original creator of the first versions of these files made them in an attempt at emulating the Seal of the President of the US, which in turn is emulated by countless actual "presidential seals" the world over, but this tradition simply does not exist in Greece. One simply uses the plain national emblem and is done with it. Constantine 09:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a colourized SVG version of the imprint shown in your link. I'm tired of one Greek user constantly adding "fictional" when he really has no support for the claim. IN fact, your links prove these seals DO exists, even if only in black and white. Marking these colourized SVGs as "fictional" is dishonest, and I will no longer allow it, taking it to an AN/U if forced. Fry1989 eh? 19:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Really, why on earth would I go about tagging these things if I had "no support for the claim"? For the kicks of getting into arguments with you? Well, my support for the claim is the fact that I've lived in Greece for 20 years, and have been interacting daily with the Greek state in its many forms. As such, when I tell you that coloured version of these seals do not actually exist outside Commons (i.e. the imagination of some users here), and show you the relevant law where nothing like these coloured versions is prescribed, then that should get something better than "get out of here, I don't believe you and you irritate me". Have a look again at the Presidency's document I linked above: the "seal" is merely the rubberstamp of approval, while the place in the letterhead where the "seal" in the US sense would be is occupied by the national emblem. That is the case for Greek public authorities from the government to the military and the tax office to schools, period. This is a proper "seal" as actually used, this is one that is 50% real and 50% invented, both in its colouring and in non-conforming to the official pattern. If I take the US President's seal and tweak it around, changing the wording to "President of the Americans" and the colour from blue to red, then what I have made is not the "Seal of the US President", even if I label it this way, but a derivative, unofficial, work which does not actually exist in real life. That means, for want of a better word (and problem tag), "fictional". If you are tired about me making a fuss and think these versions are harmless, I am also tired seeing these "seals" proliferating throughout Wikipedia as "official" ones. This may be excessively pedantic, but Wikipedia is about accurate information, and adding a non-existent seal does not help. --Constantine 09:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
So you're incapable for doing something to change them? You can't change them into black and white yourself? You can't ask another user who is good with SVG graphics to do it on your behalf? You can't put in a graphic lab request? Instead you have to mark something which has been proven to EXIST as "fictional" which dishonestly suggests it doesn't exist? It's not my problem or Commons problem if a user is so pedantic and quite frankly lazy that they would rather mark something which does exist with a tag suggesting otherwise, than correct it to their satisfaction. Fry1989 eh? 18:55, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Really, that's your answer? You've gone from disputing the correctness of my information and describing my edits as "nonsense" to accusations of laziness because I didn't correct them on my own? Can you please take a step back and consider that perhaps I am not a complete asshole, that I have given some thought to the matter, and that you might actually be wrong? In other words, assume some effing good faith?
First, AFAIK, no rule in Commons or on any wiki obliges me to do anything to correct a file that is wrong, and no rule prohibits marking something that is clearly wrong as such. Quite the reverse in fact, so your aggressive tone is way out of line.
Second, I think you still don't get my point: these "seals" are not "something which does exist", period. Let's explain this again: This is a seal which has over time come into common use as an insigne of a specific office, but this is a rubber stamp. You will never see one of these Greek seals displayed like this, because they are not used as insignia, but merely as this. If you want to dispute that, then please tell me that you live in Greece and have actually seen otherwise, because sure as hell I haven't, and I am getting mightily annoyed at a transatlantic guy, however knowledgeable about other stuff, questioning my knowledge of usage in my own damn country and reversing my edits as "nonsense" without any basis whatsoever.
Thirdly, yes, I could "correct" the seals, and I did in fact consider it (surprise!), but to what point? There is no reason at all to do it, because there is no illustrative purpose they would serve. The original creator(s) of these files obviously made them to be used as their US analogue in infoboxes, navboxes &c as emblems to denote the office of the President, the Cabinet, etc, not to show "hey people, this is what official documents in Greece are stamped with". Since the rubber-stamp seals of no government service serve such a purpose in reality, the files in question are only nicely drawn variations on a theme of "what if". As Commons tolerates any sort of uploaded content regardless of its accuracy, marking them as inaccurate and unofficial suffices, and that is precisely what the oh-so-hotly-disputed tag says: "This seal should not be considered official. It is just a proposal of an artist, and it is not in any official use."
On pedantry, guilty as charged, I have a small obsession with accuracy. As someone who is also a lot interested in symbols, I thought you'd understand why that matters better than most. --Constantine 22:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I have an obsession for accuracy myself, I've fought with several SVG graphic creators here who think that they can take creative license on something and pass it off as opposed to how it really looks when used by the organization or government it represents, but I don't mark something as fictional when it clearly does exist. Just because a seal is used in black and white as a rubber stamp and we will never see it on a podium like the US presidential seal, DOES NOT MEAN that a digital SVG representation of it on Commons is "fake", which marking it as "fictional" suggests. Either fix it yourself, ask someone to fix it for you, or walk away, because with your own sources proving the existence of these seals (in whatever form may be), marking them as fictional is dishonest and I will not allow it any longer. Period. Fry1989 eh? 22:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Aha... So your whole problem is the fact that the tag is called "{{fictional}}"? Perhaps one should rename it, but what the tag actually displays is "Not an official insignia", which is pretty much what we have here. I am not judging the author's original model, nor his/her intentions, I am judging the file he/she has uploaded based strictly on accuracy and correspondence with actual practice. These "seals" on Commons are clearly meant as insignia. As I have said again and again, the actual seals are not meant or used as insignia. If I made a coloured variant of this, then this too would not be an official insignia. Even though it is based on an actual design which was in reality used as insignia, it would be my artistic interpretation of it, and nothing more. Which, again, is pretty much what this tag is about, regardless of its name. --Constantine 09:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
IDK if you just don't "get" it, or if you're purposefully ignorant, but you yourself have provided a link that it does exist, it is official, it is in use. Next time you add the fictional tag, this is going to AN/U, I'm not playing around with you anymore like a child. Fry1989 eh? 18:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Really, who is a child? The user who calls others names and argues solely based on the tag's name, which tag does not actually display the word "fictional" anywhere, or the user who states the obvious, i.e. that the versions shown in these files are "not official" since they are not used in reality and are nowhere to be found except on Commons? You obviously haven't (or can't, can you even read Greek?) read the link I provided: it refers to rubber stamps, that is all. Nowhere does it mention their use as insignia. But I see I am waisting my time. By all means go to AN/U, let's see what will come out of this. --Constantine 09:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
"Please take a moment to read the relevant Law..." In any way *lol* Fry1989 has his own definition of reality/ fictional... -- ΠЄΡΉΛΙΟ 02:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh piss off if you have nothing positive to add and just want to laugh at me. The other user has already provided a link showing the seals exist, which naturally means they are NOT fictional. The fact they are colourized doesn't change that, it means they're inaccurate, but inaccuracy and fictionality are two different things and everyone knows that. Fry1989 eh? 03:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Road signs

For your interest: road signs in

Greetings, -- feuerst – talk 15:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, but unfortunately there's not really anything I can do with them. Alberta's PDFs have raster graphics, i can't extract them. British Columbia's PDFs have SVGs in them, but such low quality they're useless. I've tried inquiring with the BC Ministry of Transport on purchasing SVGs of the signs that are available, but it would cost about 5000 dollars in total for all of them which is way outside of my income. Nova Scotia's is not a PDF, so I can't extract those signs either. Fry1989 eh? 19:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


Dear Fry,

Please help, a user is having issues with the File:Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom (HM Government).svg. I am really busy at the moment and is enable to mount a proper defence against his insistence on removing vital tags from the file information. Please help, Best Regards, Sodacan (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

It appears Adelbrecht has reverted the changes for you, though I would have done so as well had I been online when it was going on. I'll watch the file though just in case it happens again. Fry1989 eh?

Flag of Cape Verde

Hi. Are you able to fix this flag so the green part is equivalent to that of the flag of Guinea-Bissau? I would do it myself, but I don't have much experience with such programs and might mess it up. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. Fry1989 eh? 20:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem :) Fry1989 eh? 20:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Image upload problem

It was due to the fact of a problem with the server as im told and the image uploading fuction wasnt working correctly, in one instance an upload and revert seemed to work so i wasnt playing around so to speak but thanks for the advice..Caomhan27 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

The delay in the servers make it impossible to tell what is wrong when you do a rapid fire of uploads, and for that reason it looked like you kept uploading minor changes instead of making one big change you're happy with. I hate it because it screws over my work too, but the best thing to do is just let it work itself out. Fry1989 eh? 02:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Ya its really annoying, thumbnail images on main site are even different, sorry if it the reverting was messing up your work, it was only to try and get the one to show, i'll try to revert to this one and let it work itself out eventually like you suggest.Caomhan27 (talk) 06:41, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fry is there a way to clean up and remove uploads that should have been put in a test file?Caomhan27 (talk) 22:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I meant the server problem is screwing up things I'm working on as well, not specifically the changes you've made. I uploaded a new version of the old Libyan flag and it took at least 3 weeks for the servers to work everything out and it was the most annoying thing I've ever dealt with. I think everyone is being affected in one way or another. Anyhow, the only way to remove previous uploads is to ask an admin to delete them. A good test file to use though is File:Test.svg, I use it all the time when I want to preview my work. Fry1989 eh? 02:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Cheers fry Caomhan27 (talk) 08:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Albanian vector images

in this page you can see 3 of the vectorized versions of Albanian army forces, and the coat of arms(People's Republic of Albania) but it seems that somebody has to risk a few dollars to buy them. AceDouble (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC).

Not only do you have to pay for them, but's files aren't allowed on Commons, so it's not worth trying it. Fry1989 eh? 02:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fry

I undid your edit here which changed the code of the image I had drawn. It's not a thumbnail image at all you see, that kindof spoils the effect. I wanted to let you know I fixed the code that you broke with that edit because you also wrote a comment as well, and you'll probably want to re-add the comment. I thought you should know. Btw, I love your handle 'Fry1989' is it from Futurama ? I love that show. Penyulap 09:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

It is from Futurama, you're the first one to ever notice :). Fry1989 eh? 21:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Serious ? Get outta here ! It's so obvious, and such a well known show. Bender taught me everything I know about diplomacy and I credit him for my great success on English wikipedia ! (yeah, ok I'm blocked, but only because 'kiss my ass' isn't actually a popular unblock request as yet) Meh, whatever !
I should build another robot ! built after Bender. I have one brilliant Robot at the moment. PALZ9000, he's modelled after that loveable and occasionally homicidal HAL9000 from 2001 a space odyssey. Z did the programming for him, but I'm learning some programming myself, so I can replace wikipedia (MwaHahahahaha and all that). Bender. Yeah, he'd be a good role model, and I should get him to do welcoming. :D what do you think ? Penyulap 17:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
LOL I like the idea, it's one of my favourite shows too. Fry1989 eh? 19:45, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Naval Jack of Venezuela

You uploaded a new version of File:Naval Jack of Venezuela.svg on 7 February 2013, apparently using the file that I created and uploaded that day as File:Naval Jack of Venezuela (2006).svg, then tagged my upload for speedy deletion. I don't think that's a good idea. I was aware of the earlier 7-star version of the naval jack when I uploaded the 8-star version. Commons is a repository of many flag images, including historic flags, and when you overwrite historic flags, the history is effectively lost. Perhaps you're not aware, but earlier versions of images have been disappearing from Wikipedia's servers, either due to storage space constraints or due to archiving errors. I've been finding that images that I've merely retouched or corrected now show me as the original uploader, both in Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. In short, I think it would be better to preserve the 7-star and 8-star versions of the naval jack of Venezuela as separate files. — Quicksilver@ 19:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I explicitly asked you on the graphic lab to update the existing file, this is done to existing files all the time, and the historical version is uploaded separately. There was no reason not to update the existing file, but rather upload it separately as a new one. I uploaded the old 7-stared one as File:Naval Jack of Venezuela 1930–2006.svg, so there's no need for this, nothing is lost. Fry1989 eh? 20:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Flag of the West Indies Federation.svg

In your April 2012 upload, you change the ratio of this flag from 2:1 to 1.95:1. Was there any particular reason for this? -- AnonMoos (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I had to shave off a hair on either end because there was problems with the wavy white bands not extending all the way to the edge. At the time I was making File:Naval Ensign of the West Indies Federation.svg, and that was causing problems with the canton of the naval ensign. I did it on the ensign, then uploaded the same on File:Flag of the West Indies Federation.svg so they would match. Fry1989 eh? 02:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
However, the canton of a white ensign with centered George Cross can't have the same aspect ratio as the whole flag. If the flag has a 2:1 aspect ratio and the width of the arms of the cross is 1/5th of the height, then the canton will have a 9:4 aspect ratio, not 2:1. -- AnonMoos (talk) 07:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
No, you misunderstand. I know that the cross causes the canton to be smaller than it would be without it, the same as the Union Jack on the white ensign vs the red ensign. Te problem I'm speaking of is that the wavy white stripes on the flag of the federation were irregular and didn't reach all the way to the edges as they're supposed to. That caused a problem when I was making the ensign, and it would have existed whether or not the cross was present. I had to correct it when making the ensign, and then uploaded the same on the federation flag file so they would match. If you want to re-construct the wavy white stripes so they're proper and reach the edges as supposed to, then go ahead, but I didn't have the ability to do so, so instead I had to shave off a bit of the blue ground on either end to match up to where the white stripes ended. Understand now? Fry1989 eh? 16:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I made it more symmetrical than it used to be, and restored the 2:1 aspect ratio, while keeping your colors. AnonMoos (talk) 01:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
As I see. Very good. Fry1989 eh? 01:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Presidential Standard of Finland.svg

I'm not sure, it may be unproper, but this ensign without any boder looks strange on white background. ARvєδuι + 11:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

It does have a border, just very thin. Fry1989 eh? 17:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Request for flag image


I've noticed before that you've done some work on Texas flags and I'd like to request one from you. It is a standard Flag of Texas with fifteen stars in the blue to represent the fifteen slave states in 1861. One star, representing Texas, is larger. There are two possible reconstructions of it depicted here: (The caption gets it wrong, the top flag is based on the second national flag of the Republic of Texas.) The article describing the history of the flag beginning here: "A Fifteen-Star Texas Flag: A Banner Used at the Time of Secession—February 1861 and March 1861". The top one seems fine enough to me, and the one that the article leans toward as being what was meant in the descriptions.

I thank you in advance if you can whip it up for me! Tuckerresearch (talk) 19:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not good at doing arches and circles, so I'd be bad at doing the ring of stars. Fry1989 eh? 01:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Do you know anybody I could ask? Tuckerresearch (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
User:Glasshouse would be your best best. He has made a lot of historical Texan flags. Fry1989 eh? 03:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, he would be the perfect one. Tuckerresearch (talk) 04:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
If he isn't able to help, then I can do the image. Btw, Fry, I just found out for Inkscape you can do the stars around a circle by going to Extensions, Generate From Path, Scatter. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 09:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the tip. Fry1989 eh? 19:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Vertical wavy line

I didn't make the wavy lines in File:Flag of the West Indies Federation.svg from scratch (I just made them more consistent and symmetric). I did make the wavy lines in File:Iraq state emblem CoA 1959-1965 Qassem.svg from scratch... I uploaded the following ultra-simple SVG as File:Vertical-wavy-line-test.svg, but it doesn't work as intended, and I don't really know why. It could be a rendering bug; User:Sarang might be able to tell us if he weren't on a long trek across New Zealand or whatever... AnonMoos (talk) 08:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<svg xmlns=""
   width="30" height="300" viewBox="0 0 30 300">
<path stroke-width="10" stroke="#000000" d="M20,0
c0,30 -10,45 -10,75
c0,30  10,45  10,75
c0,30 -10,45 -10,75
c0,30  10,45  10,75"/></svg>

Never mind; I forgot to add fill="none" to turn off the default black fill; it should be fine now. You can change the numbers "30" and "45" to adjust how curvy the lines are (the two numbers should add up to 75 to retain symmetry). AnonMoos (talk) 08:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Flag of Ukrainian People's Republic

Hi! Please change file File:Flag of Ukrainian People's Republic 1917.svg as blue-yellow flag. According to the last research works this flag was correct and was in official using in Ukrainian People's Republic at the end of 1917 - 1920. Please look for correct changes in the article Flag of Ukraine. Regards, --Herald63 (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

You will need to provide sources. Fry1989 eh? 19:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
No problem. It is the next (in Ukrainian): Grechylo A. Ukrayinska Terytorialna Heraldyka (= Ukrainian Territorial Heraldry). Lviv, 2010, pp. 98-118. ISBN 978-966-02-5259-2. Chapter 3.3 (pages 98-118) is about Ukrainian symbols in 1917-1920. Also another publication: Гречило А. Питання про порядок кольорів на українському прапорі в 1917-1920 рр. Знак, no. 40 (2006): 10-11. (= Grechylo A. About colours at the Ukrainian Flag in 1917-1920. Znak (Bulletin of the Ukrainian Heraldry Society), no. 40 (2006): 10-11).--Herald63 (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hello

Hello. Of course I can give it a try, however it will take some time before I will be ready. I have to finish another request first, and it is rather big one. Cheers! Avalokitesvara (talk) 09:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Dylan Crawfoot Proposal for Australia.svg

Hope you don't think I'm interfering, but I couldn't resist cleaning up the file a little once I saw "Width 599.99976 / Height 299.99997" in the page Metadata section... AnonMoos (talk) 14:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Huh????? When I measured it in my inkscape, it was exactly 600 by 300. I downloaded my upload again just now and it still says 600 by 300 exactly. What did I do wrong? Fry1989 eh? 17:35, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
I really couldn't say what Inkscape reports (I have an obsolete version of Inkscape on my system, and use it for only very narrow technical purposes), but if you look at file [12] in a text editor, it says near the beginning width="599.99976" height="299.99997" viewBox="0 0 599.99983 299.99997" -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm, derp. I'm having a problem with File:Dylan Crawfoot Proposal for Tasmania.svg right now actually. The white circle on the current Tassie flag was not an exact circle, so it was throwing me off. I'm re-doing it now with a proper circle. Fry1989 eh? 23:06, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
P.S. If you go to File:Dylan Crawfoot Proposal for Australia - White Ensign.svg and scroll down and click on "Show extended details", you can still see there what I saw on the other files... AnonMoos (talk) 23:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Geometry of two identical constant-width stroked curves side-by-side

Identical constant-width curves side-by-side don't necessarily fit together.svg

Fry1989 -- If you place two constant-width curves stroked along an identically-shaped path side-by-side, they don't necessarily fit tightly together. In the image above, the red curve and blue curve at left are both made from four circle quadrants. If the width of the stroked line and the circle radius along the center of the line, are both 20, then the radius along the outside edge of the line is 30 (radius plus half line-width) and the radius along the inside edge of the line is 10 (radius minus half line-width). A circular arc with radius 30 cannot fit inside a circular arc with radius 10, so the two lines do not fit tightly together, as seen. If the two lines are moved more closely together, as at right, then you get areas of overlap between the two lines (shown in purple), and there are also still gaps between the two lines (unless the two lines are moved so close to each other that they overlap almost everywhere).

The situation with the Dylan Crawfoot proposed Australian flags is not as extreme as that of the circle-quadrant curves above, since the curves in the flag design are much more gentle. However, the same problem definitely still does exist, and for the same reasons. The way the yellow and green curves were set up before my March 3rd uploads (i.e. the green curve behind the two yellow curves), the shape of the green curve was not the same as that of the curve in File:Vertical-wavy-line-test.svg, since the green curve was being eaten into at the "purple" areas. This meant that at some points the green curve, as displayed in the rendered 600px-wide PNGs, was definitely less than 20 pixels (units) wide. Also, there were gaps between the curves. These gaps are not really visible in the 600px-wide thumbnails, but if you go to the 800px thumbnails, then you can start to see the color of the field bleeding through at certain points between the green and yellow.

If you want the green stripe to have exactly the same shape as in File:Vertical-wavy-line-test.svg, and the yellow stripes to have exactly the same horizontal width as the green stripe at every point, and the yellow stripes to fit smoothly against the green stripe with no overlaps or g aps, then having a narrow green stripe on top of a wide yellow stripe is the only way to go. Anyway, I'm not sure that restoring the width="599.99976" height="299.99997" viewBox="0 0 599.99983 299.99997" version resolves any issue... AnonMoos (talk) 07:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any problems with my SVG upload. Inkscape says the proportions are right, and I did alot of point testing to make sure the stripes fit like they're supposed to. The code could be smaller, but sometimes that sacrifices quality because elements get wonky, and that's something I don't like. As far as I'm concerned, they're perfect how they are. Fry1989 eh? 17:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I really don't know what you mean by "wonky" and "stripes don't meet the end" (I've explained exactly why the pre-March-3rd uploads, including mine, are problematic). Your version displays reasonably well at 600px wide, if that's the only criterion, but internally it's sloppy and messy, and I fail to see any advantage it has over the nice and clean under-2k version... AnonMoos (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm talking about THIS!. Fry1989 eh? 04:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Still don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. What you linked to avoids the problems of the pre-March-3rd versions (as explained above) and also all the "599.99983" garbage, so it's the best version so far as I can see... AnonMoos (talk) 01:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Look again, you don't see the yellow stripe lifting up away from the bottom and top edges of the flag??? Fry1989 eh? 03:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Nope, I sure don't -- not in Adobe SVG plugin or in Firefox or in Wikimedia-generated PNGs. Just now tried it for the first time in my antiquated old version of Inkscape, and there is a problem, but it's clearly a problem with Inkscape's display, and not with the SVG, since the curves are not shown as being 90° vertical at their endpoints, as their mathematical definition requires them to be. One would think they would have fixed that bug between the version that I'm using and the version that you're using, but I've noticed before on other topics that the Inkscape developers sometimes seem to have rather strange priorities... AnonMoos (talk) 10:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Since your reversion was based on an Inkscape display bug, which doesn't affect file usability or PNG renderings on Wikimedia Commons, I'm going to un-revert... AnonMoos (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

What is your problem??

I've been carefully explaining my actions in painful detail, and trying to avoid an edit war, but the fact remains that your files are a sloppy mess, while my files are lean, clean, and mean, and the only "problem" with them is an Inkscape-internal display bug which has no effect on file usability or PNG renderings on Wikimedia Commons! AnonMoos (talk) 11:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I was about to ask YOU the same thing! You're the one edit warring on another user's file because you can't live without some sort of meddling to make the code smaller. The bug does not just display in inkscape, it displays in my internet browser as well, it is not just an "inkscape problem". You had minimal input on this image, and while I am extremely thankful for the assistance as I never would have been able to make the stripe myself, you don't own it and I find your pushiness offensive. Fry1989 eh? 17:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
That's nice -- you don't explain very much, so I have to interpret what you mean by what does and doesn't work for me. However, the evidence is still that it's a software display bug which does not affect the usefulness of the files on Commons or Wikimedia... AnonMoos (talk) 04:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I explain things perfectly fine, I gave you a link to the image for display in internet browsers, I never said anything about the bug in inkscape. I have no idea where you got that interpretation from, but I never said that. Fry1989 eh? 16:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Freie Deutsche Jugend.svg

Based on the website and the other pics at en:wp, this should be elongated about 20% vertically.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

If I could see those photos, that would help. Fry1989 eh? 00:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
File:Banderi FDJ.jpg
File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-T1017-326, Friedrichstadtpalast, Gründungsfeier der FDJ-Berlin.jpg
File:Medaille Festigung der FDJ und WLKSM BAR.png
I'll see what I can do, but I can't make any promises. Fry1989 eh? 17:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


Refrain from you umpteenth personal attack. If you call any other member of this project a vandal again you'll be blocked. --Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 18:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC) PS: and, by the way, I understand perfectly what's going on. To give you an example: This coat of arms does not comply to the official regulation of the coat of arms of Galicia. And the arguments have been duly provided to you. This does. And if you can't read Spanish or you simply refuse to understand it it's your problem and not the other ones'. And provided that you seem to be a usual leading role in here I won't insist in my warnings. It's up to you.

I said I don't have time for people who want to spin this on it's head, and make it a language barrier issue. I can't speak Spanish, SO WHAT? That doesn't change the fact that Miguillen has NO consensus anywhere for anything, and you are rewarding his forcing of things and punishing the person trying to stop such behaviour. Leave me alone! Fry1989 eh? 18:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I assume that you have red en:WP:BRD. Miguillen has been bold, you've reverted but I can't see your involvement in the 'discuss' phase. Are you simply going into disruptive edition? --Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 21:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

A Wikipedia policy, not a Commons Policy. A user can be reverted on Commons for any change they make to a file, and if a user is reverted on a change to a file here, it's their job to initiate something on the talk page and get support, there is absolutely no onus that I have to right away. Also, the fact he chose to upload the image separately instead of getting a consensus on the talk page suggests he knows he can't, which justifies my revert in the first place! I also told you to leave me alone, and until you apologize for trying to make this a language barrier issue (which is laughable), and spinning this on it's head, I don't want anything to do with you. Get my jist? Fry1989 eh? 23:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I remember writing a lot of en:WP:BRD, I was just making stuff up mostly. :) Penyulap 09:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
...and while it is helpful made up stuff, it doesn't beat a 3rd opinion. Until there IS a 3rd opinion, nobody's in the wrong when changing stuff back and forth and back and forth. Penyulap 09:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Wow, looking at that BRD page today, it's a big pile of steaming crap. It's got the phrase "Most interested person", why not just be honest and say "Owner of the article". 'Most interested person', as if there was some special significance at all. what crap. Penyulap 13:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't really care at this point, I've moved on to more important things at this time. Fry1989 eh? 02:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Mass Delete of flags


When you're going to do DRs of more than 200 files with the same rationale, please do a Mass Deletion Request. It will take you much less time, particularly if you use AWB to tag all the files with {{Delete}}. It will also save a lot of time for the Admin who closes the requests and whoever archives them all. The only thing that can be a nuisance with an MDR is notifying all the creators, but in this case they seem to be mostly, maybe all, by Fæ.

If you're uncomfortable with the process, I'd be happy to lead you through it, or even do the AWB work if you like. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I already explained to Fae why I did them separately. Fry1989 eh? 18:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I agree that sometimes it is difficult to predict how the community will react to a mass delete. Occasionally we will give the nom grief for combining things that are not really the same, but I think this was pretty far on the mass delete side of the scale, particularly as it turned out there was no discussion. Of course, I have the advantage of 20-20 hindsight. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
If I had known from the beginning that so many were uploaded, I probably would have done a mass DR, though I've seen a few where people just vote to keep everything because they dont wanna have to go through all the items. Still, what's done is done. Fry1989 eh? 00:39, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Flag of BAJARAKA.svg

Don't vectorize it, I already did. AnonMoos (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

And you think I wouldn't have noticed before making an attempt? Fry1989 eh? 18:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes I don't notice if I have a window open (see File:Escudo Estado Tachira.svg), and you didn't seem to notice my announcement in my "20:45, 12 March 2013" comment at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of BAJARAKA.svg... SFriendly.gif -- AnonMoos (talk) 12:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


If you see that the insults are not a reason for deletion, well then I've uploaded this (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, Only when it come to israel or related something , the world runs to protect israel , Funny Thing GhiathArodaki (talk) 20:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

If you think I'm a friend of Israel, you are terribly mistaken. Fry1989 eh? 20:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk good to me, That is first , Second , I'm Not Retaliation or something , This is not a historical thing , when the syria flag is combined with a dirty flag like this , and it's not a historical thing when a dirty flag is put in the map of Syria , And it's not historical if a dirty israeli flag is on araibian flag , The files are not a historical correct , that what is Minus for us, a non from our country people like you controlling our history and writing it as they likeGhiathArodaki (talk) 20:31, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

i don't have time for someone who wants to accuse me of being a supporter of the State of Israel when I couldn't be farther from, and who doesn't understand the history of his own country. File:Syria-flag 1932-58 1961-63.svg may not be now, but for a time it was the national flag of Syria. Having it on a map of Syria is not an insult, except for over-sensitive people like you. Grow up. Fry1989 eh? 20:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
First , I Know my history , I know it was a national flag someday , but it's not our flag now, that what i'm saying , don't be that Bad and Hard , and again talk good to me, you who should grow up .GhiathArodaki (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Only a child would upload a file as retalition because people don't want to delete something he doesn't like, which is what you have done. And no, I won't talk good to you, because you didn't talk good to me. From the very begining you attacked me, calling me a supporter of Israel when you don't know a think about me. Fry1989 eh? 20:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, Sorry for calling you israel supporter , But you started to not talk good tome by saying i'm only retalition , I'm just showing you the insult of the pictures , Anyway , I don't want any problem , it's just a talk not a minus talk , Thanks GhiathArodaki (talk) 20
52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Emblem of the Spanish Navy

Emblem of the Spanish Navy.svg

I've changed the blue background of the Spanish Navy. The user of the recent .JPG version is right when he or she said the background is in fact back despite at description is commonly regulated as maritime or dark blue. It is now black as shown at the Navy website. The problems with this JPG format file are three and they are solid:

  • The format .jpg obsolete with a .svg version,
  • The quality is not really clear
  • The crown design, as you can see at the Navy website and other provided links the crown of the .JPG file is huge!! I think it is a mistake, the exact origin could be the versions with branches of the Officers hats, there the crowns are bigger for these ornaments presence example

The Navy has a problem because there are unstandarized emblems, according the [13] (official website) Logistic forces black background, personnel command of Maritime Force, dark blue....

I've given him/her all this information in him/her personal page at Spanish Wikipedia. I listened to him /her and accept sound reasons even I have done necessary changes, so I hope this user listen ours reasons. Thanks you and regards --Heralder (talk) 23:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright then. Fry1989 eh? 01:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
User insist problably he/she serves at Navy
    • The background is black no blue according the official resources as we can see at the Navy Website.

It is true and it has corrected

    • The user insist on the Crown according the official design is bigger

Crown size is right

  • Height (arches) is the same. Cross is even highter than original.
  • Bottom is very similar. Distance from the shield is exact.
  • Arches width is only bigger at the original but this is a result of different designs.

Is it enought? --Heralder (talk) 14:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Emblem of the Spanish Navy.svg
I think it's fine the way it is. Fry1989 eh? 16:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Dukes of Parma (1748-1802)

Recent works. Still the 1748 Ducal arms of Parma had not been done with ornaments.

Regards --Heralder (talk) 08:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


Aw, you didn't like it? Well, I did try! :P Regards, FASTILY (TALK) 07:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope you're not offended, what I actually didn't like about it was that all the images and infoboxes on the right like that looked kinda scrunched. Fry1989 eh? 16:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Absolutely not! It is your userpage after all, and a welcome change is surely only allowed if it is welcome :3 Best, FASTILY (TALK) 08:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Colour of Flag of Pakistan

Do we have a reference any where about the specification of the colour of the flag, apart from "Dark Green" as specified in the constituent assembly resolution?

The current colour, in my personal opinion, is a little too light. I understand that there could be colour viewing variations depending upon the monitor's colour settings, but I have tested on multiple monitors, the best RGB colour in my opinion is #001400. Though I am not an expert, my source is my personal encounters with Pakistan's national flag as a member of Pakistan Scouts. --Profaisal (talk) 03:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)