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Idea Portal for any Wikipedia user[edit]

translated with Google Translate:

The following links an implementation of a portal for ideas I like very much: simple, user-friendly and clear and with a voting option. I would like that very well for every Wikimedia user ...

The German original of my proposal:

Der nachfolgende Link einer Umsetzung eines Portals für Ideen gefällt mir sehr gut: einfach, bedienerfreundlich und übersichtlich sowie mit einer Abstimmungs-Option. Das würde mir sehr gut für den jeden Wikimedia-Benutzer gefallen . . .

Sorry, I forgot to sign --Molgreen (talk) 05:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Changes to {{Wikimedia-screenshot}}[edit]

According to this thread in the VPC, the problem exposed by Diego Grez-Cañete is true: most of the users don't add the proper licensing to the Wikipedia screenshots (including me), adding the licensing for every picture depicted there.

For that reason, I propose a few changes to {{Wikimedia-screenshot}}, then, I cloned to {{Wikimedia-screenshot/sandbox}} to test the new parameters and seems ready to be merged in the main Template (but the only translation available is English, so, we should edit the Translation pages to add the new parameters before mergin these changes.

If you agree/disagree with these changes, please comment bellow. If you want to discus the origin of this issue, please comment in the VPC thread linked above. --Amitie 10g (talk) 04:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Amitie 10g: It should be made clear (in the template documentation, perhaps) that screenshots that include 'locally-hosted' fair-use images can't be uploaded to Commons like this. (Yes, I know you are using 'commons-specific' parameters, but still, it should be made explicitly clear.) Revent (talk) 05:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm editing the documentation and trying to internationalize, and as you mentioned, add a statement to avoid include fair-use images depicted in screenshots... but, again, we should decide if these pictures may be considered de minimis or not if the main subject are the browsers and tools (please discus that in the other thread in the VPC). --Amitie 10g (talk) 13:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I did not mean to imply that such images might not be 'de minimis' (in most cases, they probably would be), just that you should make it clear that people should not mark included 'fair use' images with the parameters intended for CC-licensed ones. That's what I mean by 'like this'.... not that they couldn't potentially be uploaded, but not using the particular licensing method you're working on. Revent (talk) 16:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
The problem here that is several users, including admins, and specially Diego Grez-Cañete disagree that these pictures in screenshots are de minimis, but please discus that in the other thread... I need some help from a template-expert, I have some troubles with {{#if}} blocks. --Amitie 10g (talk) 16:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Pictures in screenshots are not necessarily de minimis. For example, the Swedish supreme court found that the inclusion of [1] and [2] in [3] wasn't de minimis. However, what constitutes de minimis is different in different countries.
The template {{Wikimedia-screenshot}} only handles one thing: the template refers to the licences under which the text is licensed. Other things, such as attribution and licensing information about pictures appearing on the screenshot, are not handled by the template but need to be separately included on the file information page. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Host WikiWidgets at Commons[edit]

Hello, I've been working on a project called WikiWidgets for some time now. The project is about embedding interactive JavaScript widgets into Wikipedia articles, to aid the understanding of certain topics. So far the project has been deployed in the Spanish Wikipedia (my home project) and the two existing wikiwidgets can be seen live here and here. The project has reached certain maturity already, so now I'm thinking about spreading it to other wikipedias. The two existing wikiwidgets have their own git repositories at (here and here) and the latest code is regularly copied to pages under the MediaWiki namespace in the Spanish Wikipedia. The code is then loaded by a small script at MediaWiki:Common.js that fires when a template (called Template:WikiWidget) is found on an article. The two wikiwidgets are fully internationalised and localised to Spanish and English (more languages soon to come, translators needed). What I would like to request this community is that the code of the wikiwidgets is copied to the MediaWiki namespace of Commons, so that every Wikipedia that embraces the project is able to use the same code. To be perfectly precise, what I request is that the following pages are created:

Once done, I will adjust the script at MediaWiki:Common.js in the Spanish Wikipedia so that it loads the code from Commons (like the HotCat gadget here) and then move on to spread the project to other wikipedias. Thanks for reading! --LFS (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Raymond, Steinsplitter, Leyo, Ebrahim, Krinkle, Rillke and Matma Rex! As the latest editors of MediaWiki:Common.js, I think you will fully understand this project and request. What do you think? --LFS (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
My common.js edit was only maitenance, I'm not very active here at Commons. Matma Rex (talk) 17:30, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Lupo, as the main contributor to MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat, what do you think about this? --LFS (talk) 10:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
What has HotCat have to do with this? I'm not exactly active anymore here and I didn't follow recent developments in the scripting area. Lupo 06:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Nothing directly, it's just that I want WikiWidgets to be hosted at Commons like it's currently done with HotCat. --LFS (talk) 14:41, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure that commons is the best place for this. Why not meta? Or just eswikipedia, as that's where you're active I assume. Bawolff (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Template to place additional licensing information for Wikimedia screenshots[edit]

Regarding my previous proposal to edit {{Wikimedia-screenshot}}, I've created This template to place additional licensing in the {{Information}} template. What do you think? --Amitie 10g (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

According to the discussed in the IRC, I finally moved the template to the main Template: namespace. I'll start to use that, expecting that will be useful for everyone. --Amitie 10g (talk) 02:45, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Expansion of the selection menu for Categories[edit]

perhaps like this? --- Yeah, that looks pretty good. -- Also on the search in subcategories I am looking forward --Molgreen (talk) 05:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
very educative but unfavourable composition, light and colours, blurry on some parts on top of that, used in Wikipedias
better composition but some details of subject hidden, unused

It would be nice if the selection menu for the media would be complemented by the following points:

(This is in my view, especially in categories with a large number of entries make sense.)

  • Sort by date
  • Sort by Name
  • Sorted by frequency of use


  • All images
  • Featured pictures
  • qualtity images
  • Valued images
  • In this category and in...
  • In this category but not in...

German original of my proposal:

Erweiterung des Auswahlmenüs für Kategorien

Es wäre schön, wenn das Auswahlmenü für Medien um nachfolgende Punkte ergänzt würde:

(Dies ist aus meiner Sicht besonders bei Kategorien mit einer großen Zahl von Einträgen sinnvoll.)

  • Sortiert nach Datum
  • Sortiert nach Namen
  • Sortiert nach Häufigkeit der Verwendung


  • Alle Bilder
  • Exzellente Bilder
  • Qualitätsbilder
  • Wertvolle Bilder
  • In dieser Kategorie und in...
  • In dieser Kategorie, aber nicht in...

--Molgreen (talk) 06:18, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

What's the benefit of sorting by frequency of use? Would this be a feature used by the casual visitor? -- Rillke(q?) 11:54, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi Rillke, Thank you for your feedback signal. In my view, the use of which is a clear indication of the quality of the image: content (statement) and photographically. (In my experience, more quality images are included in Wikipedia articles.)
in German: Hallo Rillke, Danke für Deine Rückmeldung. Aus meiner Sicht ist die Verwendung ein deutlicher Hinweis auf die Qualität des Bildes: inhaltlich (Aussage) und fotografisch. (Nach meiner Erfahrung werden in Wikipedia-Artikeln eher hochwertigere Bilder eingebunden.) --Molgreen (talk) 12:22, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Obviously this is not my impression. Wikipedia articles are frequently written before good pictures are available. Also, images on a wiki project frequently illustrate a point, they don't have to be of superior quality. -- Rillke(q?) 12:56, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rillke Yes, embedded images are not basically good. They were selected by an author (for various reasons (image content, image statement, and so on)). This sets it apart from the mass of images.

in German: Ja, eingebundene Bilder sind nicht grundsätzlich gut. Sie wurden von einem Autor ausgewählt (aus verschiedenen Gründen (Bildinhalt, Bildsaussage und so weiter)). Dies hebt sie von der Masse der Bilder ab.

Thank You and best regards --Molgreen (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

In my experience, the most used images are often (not always of course) among the worst in quality, because they were once used in one Wikipedia article when nothing better was available, and then copied to other Wikipedias. Even if the "big" Wikipedias later changed the photo to a higher quality image (which is not always the case), the low quality images remain highly used in smaller Wikipedias which aren't updated very frequently. Of course, this fact can actually be a good reason for offering the option to sort by usage frequency: If the images that are most frequently used are of low quality, looking for their usage is a good place to start replacing them. — Julian H. 11:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Note that the Global Usage Badges Gadget allows browsing of galleries for images that are in use, although it doesn’t do any sorting or filtering.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Bot to inform users about broken templates[edit]

Hi all, over the last months i am cleaning files appearing in different maintenance categories such as category:Pages using Information template with incorrect parameter or category:Language templates with no text displayed. Often an editor causes the problems by changing the files. So my idea is to have a bot daily checking the changes in certain predefined maintenance categories. For each new file in these categories it checkes if there was only one editor working on this file within the last day. If so, a message on the user page is added asking the editor to review his changes. This would move some of the cleanup work from the cleaner to the responsible editor. --Arnd (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support We could monitor new additions to
and probably many other automatically populated categories. I wonder if we should alert all users or only "experienced" ones, as those bot messages could be quite confusing and chances that new users will be able to fix the issues are slim. But than again that is how you learn. --Jarekt (talk) 16:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support Makes sense. --Steinsplitter (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
i would not make an exception for beginnners. It is more important to not blame the user but just give a polite hint with pointers to possible help. About false positives: It can happen that not a file change but a template change happened in the same time is the cause for being in this category. Should the bot also check all included templates for possible edits? Or is this so rarely that we can just ignore it and mention this possibility in the user message? --Arnd (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Arnd, If there is a lot of files affected than chances are that some template changed, otherwise it is most likely users fault especially if someone just edited the file. --Jarekt (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so will prepare such a bot. If i am ready i will come back to discuss open details. --Arnd (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

How can images be found without a category that I have even uploaded?[edit]

How can images be found without a category that I have even uploaded?

in German: Wie kann Bilder ohne Kategorie finden, die ich selbst hochgeladen habe?

Many greetings --Molgreen (talk) 15:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Google translate translation makes little sense can some german speaker look at the original? --Jarekt (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
@Molgreen: You can find all your uploaded files at Special:AllMyUploads. That's Special:ListFiles/Molgreen if you are not logged in. The link to this page can always be found on the top right, next to the one for loggin out. Is this what you were looking for? — Julian H. 15:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
in some pictures I forgot to add a category. How can I find it
in German: bei einigen bilder habe ich vergessen eine Kategorie hinzuzufügen. Wie kann ich sie finden. --Molgreen (talk) 16:13, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


es sind mehr als 1.500 . . . --Molgreen (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Ich denke ich verstehe das Problem, aber ich kenne keine direkte Lösung. Viele Nutzer hier wenden auf alle ihre Bilder eine Versteckte Kategorie an, wie z.B. Category:Photos by User:Molgreen. Dann könntest du das mittels Category intersection mit Category:All media needing categories as of 2015 ermitteln. Die Kategorie könntest du mit VisualFileChange.js automatisiert massenhaft anfügen (Modus "append any text"). — Julian H. 21:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

(Und ob Sie einfacher auf Deutsch hier schreiben kann, dann schreiben Sie bitte auf Deutsch!) - Jmabel ! talk 22:06, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

@Julian Herzog:, danke, genau das habe ich gesucht: die Category:Photos by User:Molgreen habe ich angeleget und Hidden gesetzt und mit dem coolen Tool VisualFileChange.js diese Kategorie allen meinen Bildern hinzugefügt. Mit Category intersection komme ich, ehrlich gesagt, leider nicht zurecht.
Herzlichen Dank für Eure Mühe. Viele Grüße --Molgreen (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
@Molgreen: In das Category intersection tool kannst zu zum Beispiel folgende Werte eintragen: Language: commons; Project: wikimedia; Root categories: All media needing categories as of 2015, Photos by User:Molgreen (Komma durch Zeilenumbruch ersetzen); Namespace: 6; Depth: 1. — Julian H. 08:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Molgreen, so sieht das aus. Hat aber nur 2 Dateien gefunden:

File:20130712 xl wiki 3855.JPG
File:2015-07-25 164154edit-Vorschlag-Fotomantage der Menüleiste.png

Gruß, --Achim (talk) 08:57, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

@Achim55:, @Julian Herzog:, herzlichen Dank Euch beiden für Eure Unterstützung. Die Syntax hätte ich nicht hinbekommen. Die beiden Bilder verfügen jetzt über eine Kategorie. Der Abschnitt kann dann sehr gern archiviert werden. Schönes Wochenende. LG --Molgreen (talk) 17:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Create Lua module for accessing Wikidata[edit]

I propose we create the basic Lua modules for accessing Wikidata and using values from there in metadata templates. The module in question is the Wikidata module such as

My goal is to create a Wikidata-driven alternative to Artwork template with additional content formatting templates for dimensions, locations etc.

Please tell if you have previous work on this or would like to contribute. It would be great to get a skilled Lua/Wikidata developer to help out.

Best, Susannaanas (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Unless, as it seems, it has already been created. Will take a closer look. --Susannaanas (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
This is definitely a good idea! Pinging @RexxS as someone that might be able to help here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
@Susannaanas: The problem is that the module won't work for Artwork templates on file pages, because Wikidata are refusing to enable the "arbitrary access" feature for Commons.
Without the "arbitrary access" feature, the only information from wikidata that a page can access is information from a wikidata page that the Commons page is directly 1:1 sitelinked with.
That immediately rules out all file pages, because (by policy) there are no Wikidata items for individual file pages.
It could potentially be trialled on some gallery pages; and some category pages -- though the latter would be very unpredictable, because some Commons category pages are linked to wikidata category items (so could only pick up the very limited data stored about categories). It is only the limited number of category pages that are (against policy?) linked to wikidata main 'article-type' that could pick up full Wikidata info on the subject of the category.
So for the time being, there is no chance to get Artwork, Creator, Institution, or Authority Control templates to generally draw information from Wikidata.
To fix this, "arbitrary access" needs to be enabled. I don't really understand why this is a problem. Apparently, there is some issue with language labels. If I understand it correctly, if the label in language XX for an item on Wikidata is changed, the software assumes that such a change only needs to be notified to wiki-pages on the xx-language wiki. However, because Commons is multilingual, a page here that used the template that drew on Wikidata would need to be updated if a relevant label in any language got updated.
Until that facility is coded into the system, they won't let Commons have arbitrary access.
I'm not sure why it is such a big deal to implement, such that Lydia is talking about not enabling it until the middle of next year (and it's now already most of a year since the first wikis went arbitrary access). But apparently that is how it is. Jheald (talk) 21:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I thought all wikis had arbitrary access now. @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): is there a timeline for enabling it here? I guess the phabricator tracking ticket is phab:T89594 - I'll also ping there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Jep. See my answer there. I don't think it'll take us 6 month - I actually hope significantly less unless we find another huge monster... --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I think one can quite successfully start to experiment with artworks, since the Artwork template shows data from the artwork item itself. What you cannot show, can be filled in later. If we start with some simple additions of Wikidata elements and proceed gradually, we will all gain invaluable insight while doing so. When arbitrary access is ready for prime time, the tasks can be more complicated. --Susannaanas (talk) 13:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Can we have Module:Wikibase in Commons? What is the practice, if I want to experiment on my own with modules? --Susannaanas (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Susannaanas, The best practice would be to look at related modules at en-wiki or even wikidata, import best fitting one and modify if needed. The module can be tested at pages which might have wikidata managed interwiki links, like artwork/artist galleries linking to wikipadia articles, or categories linking to wikipedia categories. For such special cases we should be able to access wikidata properties and test new modules. --Jarekt (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
@Susannaanas: The artwork template lives on a file page; and (by policy) a file page is not to be sitelinked to the wikidata item for the painting. Therefore, in general, an artwork template cannot draw from Wikidata without arbitrary access. Jheald (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Right, I did not think of that. I assumed they are linked, but that the linked ones are rare.. --Susannaanas (talk) 09:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)