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Copyright query

Hello, I am trying to upload an image for a biography page. The image is a headshot of the CEO of the company I work for. I uploaded the file previously but it was deleted by a User/Admin who found the same image elsewhere on the internet. The image the User/Admin found was supplied by our firm to that company to use on their website free of charge. The photographer who took the picture (and all our staff photos for that matter) does not own the copyright, the company does. What steps do I need to follow to upload the image? Please help. Thank you! Emerson2009 (talk) 22:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You need to verify permission to license and upload this image. In order to do this visit Email templates page, copy the template and fill it with license and link to deleted file [1], then send it to, best of all from official company email address. Also you may want to contact administrator Kameraad Pjotr, explain the situation and ask to restore the image while verification is in procces --Justass (talk) 22:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

How to delete? Please help!


I uploaded a picture but've choosen the wrong licensing, so it is now free for any purpose (The copyright holder of this work allows anyone to use it for any purpose including unrestricted redistribution, commercial use, and modification). And I don't want that! How can I change that or how can I delete the picture so that I can upload it once again with the correct licensing? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 10:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

You can go to your image and click the "Edit" tab at the top of the page, and then adjust the license. Commons only accepts free licenses like the one you describe above (see Commons:Licensing). It would help if you posted the link to your image here & you can sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). -- Deadstar (msg) 12:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
You where not logged in while writing this questions, so we cant help you directly because we neither know your account nor the image. As Deadstar says: You must agree to the license terms, free commercial reuse and modification are the Commons:Project scope#required licensing terms and it is explicitly written in the upload form and everywhere. If the image was created by yourself and you are the licensor you already agreed to that terms with you uploads, maybe a deletion deletion reqeust will be decided in your favour, but regulary an image released under a free license is released and the license is not revocable. You may ask for deletion - but please also remember to read basic instructions befor doing something. --Martin H. (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to change / edit file history?

I've recently had a rename completed [[2]] on my wikimedia commons account, however my old username is showing up in the file history of a picture I uploaded - e.g. [[3]]

Is it possible to edit the history too to reflect the username change? Thanks. Wuser10 (talk) 15:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Strange. Should be done automatically. Queue looks empty. May be you need to file bug report at bugzilla:? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Pitcher plant

I just recently bought a pitcher plant. I noticed that some of the pitchers are turning brown and dying. Do I need to clip them off and if so where exactlu oin the plant do I cut. Just the pitcher...or the entire leaf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivette333 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

This Help desk is for questions about using Wikimedia Commons. For general knowledge questions, try the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Carnivorous plants are awesome. We have some pictures (Sarracenia) but no information about how to cultivate them. --Teratornis (talk) 04:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Book cover

Hi. Recently, I wrote an article about a book on the Swedish Wikipedia. Now I want to upload the book cover onto Commons in order to use in the article. I am not sure though, that the license for the book has expired. The book was published in 1909, and there is no information on who did the cover, nor when the cover was made. Can I upload it? //Tanzania (talk) 16:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Since you don't know anything about the creator, I'd guess that you can't assume that it's PD. However, what's the cover like? If it's very simple, such as en:File:DSCN0250.JPG, it's never been copyrighted — you can't copyright a few words. However, if it's artistic, you'd need to check into Swedish copyright law. If sv:wp allows fair use, I expect that you could claim fair use for the book cover (that's plainly an acceptable fair use at en:wp), but you'd need to upload it at sv:wp. In the future, you'd do better to ask questions like this at Commons talk:Licensing, as there are more copyright-savvy people there than here. Nyttend (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Also — if you find that it's not copyrighted in Sweden, it will definitely be fine to upload here. Anything published in 1909 is PD in the USA, so local law (I now see that you're not saying that the book was published in Sweden; where was it published?) is the only thing you need to worry about. Nyttend (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I posted it wrong, I am rather new here, and don't know how everything works. The book was published in Sweden, but I can't find anything about it being copyrighted. The cover consist of two woman sewing or something. But I guess I could upload it here, show it, and let people who know anything about it tell. Sweden does not accept Fair use. //Tanzania (talk) 17:47, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
You didn't do anything wrongly; after all, the header at the top of this page says that new users should ask questions here. Is this your book? Finally — I'm asking if fair use is permitted at the Swedish Wikipedia, not whether it's permitted by Swedish law. Nyttend (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, that's the book, but my cover is not exactly the same. Fair use is not permitted at the Swedish Wikipedia. //Tanzania (talk) 18:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Handbok i varukännedom.JPG

This is the book. I know that the picture is very bad, but I have no really experience of photographing books. //Tanzania (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the clarifications. I've asked for help at Commons talk:Licensing. Nyttend (talk) 21:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Putting an image from Hebrew Wikipedia on the Commons


I wanted to put this[4] image in the Commons, but I'm having trouble getting the whole file on my computer (which seems to be necessary in order to put it on the Commons.)

How do I download it to my computer?

Thanks.--Lastexpofan (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Go to, which will bring up the full-size image. From here, you may well be able to download the image. Nyttend (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyright Question

I'd like to use a photo (arm wrestling - break arm position/ but I can't find out if it is open for use or if there is a copyright issue associated. Can someone help me?

The image is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported (cc-by-sa-3.0). See Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. In short: You can reuse the image as long as you 1) attribute its author in an appropriate way (Attribution) and 2) as long as you distribute any new copy of the image under the same license (Share Alike). --Martin H. (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Deleting mistaken Categories

I made a Category by mistake that should be deleted. Can someone delete this category for me so pictures won't get mixed up. The proper Category intended is "Category:Fort William Historical Park".

The one needed to be deleted is:

  • "Category:Fort Williams Thunder Bay"

Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done Creator requested deletion shortly after creating. -- Deadstar (msg) 16:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Tu n'est q'un por Emir Spahic (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC) You are only a pork Emir Spahic (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Vous etes des enculés Emir Spahic (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a question? Vous avez une question? --Teratornis (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Tutorial on taking good pictures?

I vaguely remember seeing a tutorial some time ago on taking good pictures. Does anyone know the name of this page? Commons:How to take pictures for Wikimedia Commons is such a page, but the wrong one — I'm quite confident that the one I've seen has a photo of a motorcyclist to illustrate photography with a fast shutter speed. I've tried searching for "Photography" at Special:Search, but this is the only page I found among dozens of featured picture nominations and photography critiques pages. Moreover, the page I've linked isn't in any categories. Nyttend (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely good idea to have such tutorial. May be we could collaborate with WikiBooks? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I have put bits of advice into en:Wikipedia:Photograph your hometown and en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York but haven't attempted either comprehensiveness or, more important, a good network of links and categories to make this and similar material available to all. Yes, I'm all in favor of someone expanding and especially organizing it. It almost goes without saying, please feel free to cut, paste, modify and move my contributions in order to accomplish these goals. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the opinions, but I'm asking something different — do we have any other such pages here on Commons? And if so, what is the name of such a page, since I can't find it? Nyttend (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Could it be the page Commons:Quality_images_guidelines? There is a motorcycle there, under "Motion Blur". / Fred J (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I have listed a few such photography instruction pages I have found under COM:EIC#Photo. If anyone knows of more, please add them to the Editor's index there. Thanks. --Teratornis (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
The idea is for the Editor's index to be the most comprehensive list of procedural (how-to) knowledge for Commons contributors. So when anyone wants to know how do something, they hopefully only need to look there. The Editor's index to Wikipedia is a similar, but much larger page on the English Wikipedia, with some overlap with Commons as many tasks are similar. --Teratornis (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The-Dream & Michael Jackson

the-dream article needs a picture and every picture i added gets removed how do i stop it?

and how come the mj article always has the same boring picture? Hope someone gets this message.--Louis Taylor (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

It's for the simple reason that the image you added is coyprighted by someone else, and they don't allow everyone to use it for any purpose, anytime and by anyone. This is a basic criteria that every file uploaded on Commons must meet. The reason why the MJ article still has the boring picture is that most exciting images usually can't apply to that criteria. However, you might want to look at the gallery and the category and check out if there are images better suited for the MJ article. --The Evil IP address (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Wrong filename for a picture

How can i change the filename of a photo that i just uploaded? do i have to upload it again with the correct name? how can i delete the first picture? thanks --Paulrudd (talk) 06:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Add {{rename|new filename|reason for the change}} and some time later an administrator will take care of it. --The Evil IP address (talk) 12:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)



I have tried to upload a picture (Bent Albrechtsen), which I have bought from Scanpix (DK).

But I can't figure out how to upload it correctly. Which license should I give it?

You bought the right to reuse the image, but you not own the copyright and dont have the permission to transfer the license to others. On Commons permission must be given fromt he copyright holder to everyone, not only you or a small group of license buyers, to reuse the image everywhere for every purpose including commercial reuse. Thats a bit more. If the image is not either public domain in the country of origin and the US according to Commons:Licensing or covered by a written permission from the copyright holder that everyone can reuse it for everything you can not upload it here. --Martin H. (talk) 15:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Makin' categories

I'm a bit of a newbie here so please forgive me if this sort of question has been asked already.

I've created a category, and I want to create subcategories. But how do I mix them?

Let's say I have 40 files. Let's say I create 4 sub-categories. Let's say 30 of the files can fit in the subs, but 20 of those can fit into 2 or more of these subs. Can I put a file in 2 or more subs, or must I create a sub for each possible description to avoid redundancy?.

Thanks. 17:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Fine do it the way that feels most natural. A file normally starts in two subcats. Over time, other folk add more cats- and someone may rename your subcat. After you have been doing this a bit you will discover a tool called hotcat, that makes the whole thing a lot easier. Then you will discover that there are naming schemes in place- the only thing to check, is that your top level cat actually exists- or if it doesn't place that in an existing cat. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
See the links under COM:EIC#Cat. If you are editing without logging in, you will not be able to create proper category pages, I think, but you can create new categories as red links. --Teratornis (talk) 03:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Public domain?

I would like to use an image that is stated to be in the public domain because its copyright has expired.

No information is given as to the origin of the image. How can I find out for certain.

I want to use it as part of an article I am writing. The publishers seem to be extremely cautious about permissions, and a simple statement on the site that copyright has expired may not be enough for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 20:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Link to the image would make answer much easier --Justass (talk) 20:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)



See Commons:Photographs of identifiable people and Commons:Project scope. Who was the photographer, and who is the portait subject? The photographer ordinarily owns the copyright to the photo, unless possibly it was a work for hire, so he or she would have to agree to publish it under a free content license or put it into the public domain. If you can get permission from the photographer, follow the procedure in COM:OTRS. The photograph is far too recent to have already reverted to the public domain automatically. --Teratornis (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
See Help:Public domain for more rules about what is in the public domain. And see the other links under COM:EIC#Copyright. You can also ask on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --Teratornis (talk) 03:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

wrong translation for the word "pene"= from the Italian into English

the word "Pena" singular = pain in English the word "pene" plural = pain or more than one It should not be translated "penis" the word " penis "in Italian is not "pene"...It's "PEME" please correct!!!!! thank you V. <removed e-mail address>— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 14:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Where did you get that from? While "pena" means punishment/pain and has the plural "pene", the word "pene" (plural "peni") is also a valid noun in Italian meaning penis. See e.g. here. "peme" or "pema", with an "m", is not even an Italian word. And to confuse matters even more, "peni" is also a valid conjugation of the verb "penare" (to suffer/labor/finding something difficult). Lupo 14:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S.: if you told us where you found a mistranslation of "pene", we could take a look and indeed correct it, if necessary. Lupo 15:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

bad access group

I am trying to transfer ru:File:RECORD LOGO LOGO.jpg to Commons, but got "bad access group" error during upload. CommonsHelper doens't work too. How can it be fixed? Spectorman (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Same - ru:File:SUZDAL.JPG Spectorman (talk) 14:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I never heard of this error, and even a Google phrase search finds nothing relevant. I suggest asking on the user talk page of the user who wrote the tool you are using. That user might have some insight into the meaning of the error message. --Teratornis (talk) 03:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
This happens while using Special:Upload too. You can try to upload that images yourself Rubin16 (talk) 12:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I did manage to upload it: File:Record_logo.jpg.
Fred J (talk) 19:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
It was a block of titleblacklist, I understood. Now it shows a standard error page, no problem, thanks :) Rubin16 (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

list of category members

Ist there a way to list Pictures wich are in Category:Cameroon and at least in one of the following: Category:Featured pictures, Category:Quality images or Category:Valued images?--Trockennasenaffe (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Recursively (including subcategories), the following files use {{Assessments}}, {{QualityImage}}, {{VI}}, and {{Valued image}}:

I will not guarantee, however, that this list was accurately executed, as sometimes different template names are used. Hope you find what you are looking for. ZooFari 18:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You! Only File:Case à la chefferie de Bana.jpg seems to be tanken in Cameroon but one is better than nothing.--Trockennasenaffe (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I saved my worked, searched in wiki, and nothing!

To whom it may concern,

I did everything asked, saved my work, searched it in wiki (Pino Greezyo) and nothing. I also googled Pino Greezyo and it gave me: User talk:Pino Greezyo - Wikimedia Commons

can you please let me know what's going on?

Thank you in advance

What work are you looking for? ZooFari 20:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
There is a "my contributions" link in the top right cornor of this site (if you are logged in), Special:Contributions/Pino_Greezyo. Maybe you are lost here on the wrong project, this is Wikimedia Commons. If you look for your vanity page on Wikipedia see But before you may have a look for the english Wikipedia en:WP:NOTMYSPACE - wikipedia userpages are not intended to abuse them for pure self-promotion. You can use your userpage to tell something about you and your work on the Wikimedia projects. --Martin H. (talk) 21:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Kategorie zuordnung

Ich möchte gern vier Bilder aus meiner Galerie ,,Digitalfotografieeffekt1-4`` der Kategorie Kategorie: Lens Flares zuordnen.Kann das jemand.Danke--Salvi 5 (talk) 20:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Einfach die entsprechenden Bilder anklicken, auf edit klicken und den Text [[Category:Lens flares]] (die Kategorie war wohl gemeint?) ans Ende der Seite anfügen. Siehe auch COM:EIC#Cat. --Martin H. (talk) 21:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Beim bearbeiten auf keinen Fall GoogleTranslation verwenden. Das zerstört den Quelltext der Seite. --Martin H. (talk) 14:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

How to upload an image of a death certificate

I have a copy of a death certificate that I would like to use as verification of a date of birth (there's been an ugly edit war on the subject). Is this the place to ask how to do this? If so, how? Stembark (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)Stembark

Are you asking about the mechanics of uploading a file, or specifically about how to license the file you want to upload? See the examples in Category:Death certificates. Since you probably do not own the copyright on the death certificate, it probably needs to be in the public domain to be acceptable on Commons. That in turn depends on (a) when the death certificate was issued, and (b) the laws of the issuing country. If you want more specific advice you'll have to tell us at least those two details. If you want to figure it out by reading manuals, see the links under COM:EIC#Copyright which cover a lot of different cases. --Teratornis (talk) 04:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Maryland, USA. Person died in 1936. 05:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)Stembark
That's a good question. The Maryland State Vital Records site lists some restrictions on who can get a copy of a death certificate, but says nothing about whether the certificates are copyrighted. The page has this odd passage, which seems to use the phrase "public domain" incorrectly:
  • "You do not want your Death certificate in the public domain, where it can be seen by anyone. However, this does not mean that you can’t easily get your Death certificate."
I think it would not be easy to get my death certificate, because I would have to be dead first. Maybe by "your death certificate" they mean "the death certificate you want" rather than "the certificate of your death". You could contact the Maryland bureau and ask them about the copyright status of their records. US states work differently than the US Federal government. Some individual states claim copyright on their publications. You could ask on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions if the Maryland bureau can't tell you. --Teratornis (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


I'm Langra in Wikipedia and I'm Thaumaturgist in Wikimedia Commons.

I wanted to have the same name (Thaumaturgist) in both places but was not allowed to. It appears that everytime I'm going back and forth between Wikimedia (that's where I had posted my photos) & Wikipedia, copying my own stuff back and forth, I'm triggering an alarm. And as i am working on an article, an admin person deletes the page possibly thinking that I (Thaumaturgist) am copying from Langra.

I had already lost few pages of work, and I'm really getting frustrated.

Please help me to have a unified login using Thaumaturgist.

Thank you very much. Thaumaturgist (talk) 04:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Did you see the page: Wikipedia:Changing username/SUL? --Teratornis (talk) 05:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Downloading Help

Is there any way to download (mass) all images from a category/page? Not the thumbnail one but the best available (in Commons) one?

--Malikussaid (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. See COM:EIC#Download and WP:EIW#Download. Because of the varying attribution requirements on various images, some personal attention is necessary to comply with all the licenses. A mass download would probably lead to mass violations of reuse requirements. If you are only downloading for private use, that might be different. --Teratornis (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I thought image on all images on commons is licensed by CC-BY-SA & GFDL? I'm sorry if I wrong. I'm downloading it just for my wallpaper randomizer (there is a page that contains lot of good wallpaper-quality image like this or this. So I began new day with a fresh wallpaper from Commons. Felt Great to me... --Malikussaid (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
All content on Commons is supposed to be freely licensed or in the public domain; see Commons:Project scope. Sometimes people upload copyright violations to Commons but we try to remove those. Some licenses such as {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} and {{GFDL}} require that you attribute the creator when you redistribute an image or use it in a derivative work. If you're just using an image for your wallpaper I doubt that the free content police will burst through the door and complain. The issue is when you publish an image you got from Commons on a Web site, in print, or in a display for the public. --Teratornis (talk) 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
But note that on Commons we do not give legal advice. If you have any questions about the legality of your use of any material you get from Commons, you will have to consult an attorney. Ridiculous, I know, but that's intellectual property law for you. --Teratornis (talk) 05:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Not "ridiculous", that's how our law system works. That's why we need attorneys, if laws were simple than we'll finish it ourself... My Attorney said (I've consulted him) to prevent any copyright dispute, I should put an watermark containing image source URL an bottom (will be hidden by taskbar / start menu), and if in any case that image comes out from my PC, I should in no harm for violating the attribution license. What do you think?
Anyway, any step-by-step way to do that? I don't understand your first comment about how to do this. --Malikussaid (talk) 13:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Just to understand you right, you want to use images for your wallpaper on your pc? For private, non-commercial use you are of course asked to comply with the license, but well, its your private thing so just copy the image and use it on your pc, I do so on my own desktop, I appreciate the authors work but of course Im not attributing him for my personal purposes ;) For any offering or showing of the images to others the case is as Teratornis said. To answer your initial question: No, there is no way to download the full size content of one category at once, you have to do so manually. --Martin H. (talk) 16:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, that makes sense. But if we can prevent legal problems then why not?
So, my question is answered. If anybody has hints then he/she may post it here (that's appropriate wiki-spirit, isn't it?). I appreciate all your help and time you provide for trying to answer my question.
P.S. I believe you Martin, but a Wiki is continuously changing. So I'm still waiting for the step... --Malikussaid (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Some images have meta-data. I don't know if that can contain enough information to satisfy the attribution requirements of media having such. Note that you can do anything you want with images that are in the public domain, without any need to attribute the source. Anything under Category:Public domain should be safe. "Ridiculous" is a subjective term; attorneys may like legal complexity when it makes the law too complex for non-attorneys to navigate without hiring attorneys. --Teratornis (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I should say almost anything you want with public domain images. Some images may have restrictions due to personality rights, or a government agency may object if you use a public domain image from that agency in a way which incorrectly implies an agency endorsement, for example. Using images for your computer wallpaper would seem unlikely to create these kinds of issues. --Teratornis (talk) 22:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
But not all images have metadata, right? A famous Indonesian phrase said "Karena Nila setitik rusak susu sebelanga" (English : Only because a drop of ink, a huge pot of milk is damaged) whose means (in this case) because of few, non-public domain images, I could still accused for copyright infringement. As this image is for private, non-commercial use, that shouldn't against any copyright law. But those steps just for preventing accusations because of accidental release of those images from my computer. --Malikussaid (talk) 00:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Image Paths

Images at always have a strange middle part:


How is the "b/b5/" generated for the final image URL? Source : —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Dont know about how URL's are generated, but it's easy to get full path to any images via mediawiki API --Justass (talk) 02:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
If you install your own copy of MediaWiki as your Personal wiki, for example with the wiki on a stick method, and then upload some images to your wiki, you'll see those image URLs correspond to the image subdirectory structure that MediaWiki generates according to its own algorithm. The PHP source code for MediaWiki is completely readable by humans, so presumably you could identify the code that generates the image directories and see how it works. --Teratornis (talk) 05:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Readable code is no excuse for a lack of documentation. (How readable php code is is debatable.) And reading code is not to everybody's taste or capabilities. Lupo 10:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Since this question comes up from time to time, I've written up a FAQ entry for it: COM:FAQ#What are the strangely named components in file paths?. Lupo 10:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
In a volunteer project, nothing happens until someone volunteers to do it. Thanks for volunteering in this instance. If nobody had volunteered to document this before, that would not be an excuse, just a statement of unfortunate fact. --Teratornis (talk) 22:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

use of wikkimedia picture for commercial web site headers and product pictures

Is it ok to use wikkimedia pictures to make a header (which is a picture at the top of the front page) for a website that sells things? What about for a discussion forum? Is it ok to use the pictures to represent a product like say for example a daisy picture used to sell daisy seeds? Just curious because I see this done and wonder if it is alright to do these things? I thought about using a wikkimedia picture myself in this way but unsure what is the right way to go about it.

I was looking at this and thought of using it to make a header but wanted to get advise first.


How would I credit the contributor? Should I put their name in the corner in small letters or what should I do?

Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Made by Rosier. ( This file is licensed under the Creative Commons License (
Hi Karen
As the description-page says: File:Maria_Lisa2.JPG it is licensed under multiple licenses. You're free to choose one to fit within your needs. If you pick the most recent one ("Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported") it means that you're free to share, distribute and alter the image, as long as you properly attribute the author (which is a Commons-user named "Rosier"), and that the new work this will be based on is also licensed on a free license like this one. The easier way to do this is to attribute the author using their link and a link to the license like for example shown to the right as an example. -- Krinkletalk 23:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
See also Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. Killiondude (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
So this means other people can use my header image too if they want? I can`t behave as if no one but me can use the picture just because I made a header for my website using the picture. I think I`m catching on here. Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC) (UTC)
If you use this picture within your header (and the header is a new image based on this one) then the header must be available under the same license too, because this license requires "Share Alike" (this way the free-ball keeps rolling). -- Krinkletalk 00:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. Now I`m not so scared of using the pictures though I will put some thought into how I use the pictures.Thanks very much! Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 02:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC) (UTC)

Thanks for using Commons. -- Krinkletalk 09:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Old photgraph

Hi, I've uploaded several pictures to Commons before, but all have been my own work. I am working on an article in Wikipedia where I would like to feature a photograph taken in 1905, I believe that this photograph (because it is over 100 years old) is public and free to use. What is the correct licensing I should give it? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theornamentalist (talk • contribs)

A link to the photograph (if it is online somewhere), or more information about its provenance would make answering easier. See the links under COM:EIC#Copyright for example Help:Public domain if you want to figure it out yourself. Copyright law varies by country so the copyright status of this photograph depends on where it was taken and/or published. --Teratornis (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


Why can't I open Category:No_Wikisource_book_djvu? V85 (talk) 23:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Weird, the page loads totally blank for me. However the counter seems to work fine ({{PAGESINCATEGORY:No Wikisource book djvu}} gives 0). I've asked in the wikimedia-tech channel for help. I'm curious aswell. -- Krinkletalk 23:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The page looked like a normal category page when I viewed it in Firefox 3.6 on Windows Vista. --Teratornis (talk) 09:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
But then it stopped working and I only get a blank page now. --Teratornis (talk) 09:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
So it would seem we are getting a little closer? At least you managed to open it... :( V85 (talk) 09:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it, somewhat. -- User:Docu at 09:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
It load good here aswell. How did you fix it ? -- Krinkletalk 10:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I added __NOGALLERY__, which removes thumbnails. -- User:Docu at 10:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

This seems to have made the page accessible again. Thank you. However, the category has now become a hidden category for all the files which are in it. Is this desirable? V85 (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a separate point. As it's primarily a maintenance category, I'd use __HIDDENCAT__.
For the problem with the thumbnails, if it's frequent, we might want to file a bug. -- User:Docu at 17:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC), updated 03:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Proper uploading and taging

Hi, I'm new to uploading, so I have one question - how to properly upload and tag copyrighted material (resized, low resolution) so it is not deleted?

I have written two articles about movies and now I would like to upload their posters and a screenshot (lo--res, in compliance with the rules) to illustrate the article - so if anybody can give me the link with the proper instructions or write it here I'd be very grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArkinAardvark (talk • contribs) 05:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Commons does not allow fair use material. Thus you cannot upload copyrighted movie posters here, unless the copyright holder will agree to release it under a free content license, in which case you can follow the procedure in COM:OTRS. Some of the Wikipedias allow fair use images, you can upload there. See WP:NFCC. See COM:EIC#Copyright for more information about licensing and copyright on Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Nomming an image

Hi - I have come across an image that I believe is tagged incorrect - - I find it hard to believe that it's been released under that license by the IPR holders - however, I have no idea how the procedures work here or how I should bring it to anyone's attention? --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Mark images like this with {{copyvio|Reason why you think it's copyright violation}}. As for this image it's clear that original copyright holder wont source image as from "Amazon" :) --Justass (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

delete photo

How can I delete a photo? There's a wrong picture on wiki, and it had to be deleted. How does it work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 14:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions at Commons:Deletion requests/listing a request manually and explain why it should be deleted --Justass (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi I'm new to wiki and i'm a little confused . How can I get this photo removed. I am the copyright owner and is is now all right reserved? the person in the photo is not happy for it to be public my user id is Cezza01

Bad Upload?

Ok, So I read Commons:Screenshots#To_create_a_free_screenshot. The original of this image on en.wikipedia was "screenshot of a program that has been released under a free software license. As a derivative work of that program, this screenshot falls under the same license. Free software license: This work is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or any later version."

It also states in the linked article to tag it with {{free screenshot}}, which has been done. Yet somehow, it is thinking it is listed for Fair Use? What did I do wrong? I will admit I know little of copyrights, but I spent about a half hour reading and re-reading info on it, and the file I uploaded File:Frost-wire-screenshot.PNG is tagged for speedy delete?

If it needs deleted, by all means do so (and I apoligize for my misunderstanding of the copyright.) Else, if it is a permissible file, what could I have done wrong? Thanks in advance! Avicennasis (talk) 13:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The image on en.wp is marked as fair use using a non-free fair use rational. This rational translated to Commons language means speedy deletion. A free screenshot should not bear a non-free fair use rational. --Martin H. (talk) 14:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Is there something easy that I can help with as a newbie? I was looking at the Copy to Wikimedia Commons fron enwp but I am kind of worried now that I may not get it right... :) Avicennasis (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
"Easy" is a relative term. What skills do you have? Some things you can do on Commons:
  • Categorize some Media needing categories. See the links under COM:EIC#Cat to learn about categories on Commons.
    • Use HotCat to categorize images faster.
    • You can find categories by reading the image description, and searching Commons for keywords in the description. Or search Commons for words that describe what you see in the image. Also check the image usage on the various Wikimedia Foundation projects. For example, if an image appears in a Wikipedia article, check the article categories on Wikipedia, and see if there are any corresponding categories on Commons.
  • Do you have a camera? Do you like to take pictures? What topics interest you? You can take pictures and upload them. See Commons:Project scope.
  • Make gallery pages. We don't have nearly as many galleries as categories yet.
  • What languages do you speak? Plenty of pages need translating. Put babel boxes on your user page.
  • Do you have mapmaking skills? See COM:EIC#Map.
  • Search for freely licensed photos with {{Flickr free}} and upload them to Commons with a tool such as {{Flinfo}}. See COM:EIC#Flickr for more information.
  • Moving images from the English Wikipedia to Commons is a bit tricky at first but you can figure it out. See WP:MITC and my notes at User:Teratornis/Notes#Move some images to Commons. When you figure out the tools it's semi-efficient.
    • To avoid image license problems, use the Push-for-commons tool to find images with licenses suitable for moving to Commons. Then move them with CommonsHelper.
  • Answer questions on the Help desk. Even if you don't know anything about Commons, many questions are repetitive and you will quickly learn from the other users who answer them, so you can answer the next repetition. This is an effective way to learn your way around Commons, and more fun than enduring your own frustration, because you don't feel as frustrated when it's someone else's problem.
  • Annotate the entries in the Editor's index to Commons that don't already have annotations. That is, click on a link in the index, see what the page is about, then go back to the index and add a one-sentence summary.
  • I don't know that we have a documentation page that directly answers your question. You could start a page like Help:Contributing to Wikimedia Commons similar to Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia (although that page isn't well-developed yet either).
--Teratornis (talk) 08:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Some who wants to contribute photos can see Commons:How to take pictures for Wikimedia Commons. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Upload

Hi, I just did something really stupid, I uploaded this -> file:Beretta ar 70-90.jpg from It:Wikipedia, and right after I noticed that the copiright doesn't yet permit it on Commons, but just on Wikipedia Italy, what do I do? Thanks --Amendola90 (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, np, Stifle just cancelled it, today's personal crisis is over.--Amendola90 (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

To avoid this problem in the future, use the Push-for-commons tool to find images with licenses suitable for moving to Commons. Then move them with CommonsHelper. See WP:MITC. --Teratornis (talk) 22:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


Hello I have a question on how one should attribute images when the licence says:

"attribution – You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)"

but the site has no entry under attribution; see, eg, the following site:

Would just the name of the author and the URL be enough?

Thanks Gina

Yes, that should suffice. Rocket000 (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Own reproductions of works which may or may not be in PD

Hi. I was wondering what exactly the status of copies made by users of works is. For example, if I was to take this image [5] (which may be in PD since the author very likely has been dead for more than 70 years - but I can't confirm that atm), and draw a rendition of it myself (I'm a decent artist) and upload it. Would it be considered my own work? What kind of attribution do I need to make? How substantially different does it need to be? ThanksRadeksz (talk) 10:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

See COM:CB#Drawings based on photographs, COM:DERIV, and Idea-expression divide. --Teratornis (talk) 10:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. But the work in question is not a photograph. And this also doesn't explain my query about how different it needs to be. What if I do a drawing that is different in composition to an existing one but somehow "inspired" by the existing one?Radeksz (talk) 10:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether it's a photograph; in fact, not being a photograph hurts you, since there's less argument that you're reproducing pure features of the natural world. No one knows where the line is, and that's likely to depend on the lawyers, judge and jury involved. If you have to do something like that, get multiple photographs by multiple authors and text descriptions and try and do your own illustration of the scene, not something "inspired" by the one image.
In this case it's not necessary. Google Books has the book and image, and it's a 1906 US publication, so it's {{PD-US}}. You can use the image you link, but it would probably be better to take an The Internet Archive scan, and get a much higher-resolution image from there. And if you want to redraw it yourself, you're welcome to do so; even if you're not in the US, PD-US will cover most nations under the rule of the shorter term, the author died in 1914 and if he wasn't the illustrator, the book doesn't mention the name.--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Image does not show up

I uploaded a new version of File:Dolmabahce Palace plan.svg, but for some reason the image does not show up (look for example at fr:Palais de Dolmabahçe and search for "Plan du palais"). Did I do something wrong?  --Lambiam 19:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't work with svg images, but I think you may have done something wrong while you were editing it. See the error message on this page which is calling for a file that is presumably from your computer. The URL leads me to believe you saved it as a png rather than an svg. Killiondude (talk) 19:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't see an error message on that page, only a 200px thumbnail of an older version (not one I uploaded). The version I uploaded is on this page and looks fine except for same snag by which parts of one object are not shown. This page is linked to from page File:Dolmabahce Palace plan.svg as it should, also in the spot where you expect the image to show, except it doesn't.  --Lambiam 20:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I see this error message: librsvg-ERROR **: _rsvg_acquire_xlink_href_resource called for external resource: file:///Users/lambiam/inkscape_pasted_image_20100310_201601.png base: (null) Killiondude (talk) 20:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Strange (that you see an error while I don't). It is presumably also connected with the fact that parts of one object are not shown. I'll try to redo that object. Thanks.  --Lambiam 21:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I did see the error message after clearing the cache. After redoing the object the problem disappeared. This was my first attempt to use inkscape; I don't know why it turned parts of the object into png's. Anyway, thanks.  --Lambiam 21:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Your svg linked to external raster file that exist only on your computer, Help:Inkscape#Embedding raster images --Justass (talk) 21:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
But unlike what is described at the Help page I never imported any images; the external raster file is – as I was able to reproduce – created by Inkscape when you scale a purely internal object. After scaling it is external (and a bit fuzzy). Why this should be so I don't get; it shouldn't be that hard to keep the scaled object internal. The sneaky thing is that this unexpected externalization happens completely tacitly.  --Lambiam 20:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Medien in der Kategorie versus Category:

Wenn ich Fotos kategorisieren möchte, möchte ich das nicht unter "Medien in der Kategorie XXYY“ tun, sondern unter "Category:XXYY". Wie kann ich ersteres vermeiden, wie kann ich ersteres löschen? Danke! -- Haubi (talk) 10:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Your question was somewhat unclear until I looked at your contributions and saw that you seem to have tried to change the standard layout of a category page, for example on Category:Museum of Thasos you added a level one section heading which appears above the MediaWiki-generated heading: Media in category "Museum of Thasos". In general, you should not try to change the standard layout of a category page. That will only confuse other users who expect the standard layout. If you want to present images differently, make a gallery page in addition to the category such as Museum of Thasos. Your contributions show that you have edited several gallery pages. If I misunderstood your question please clarify. --Teratornis (talk) 21:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Teratornis for your help! My wishfull thinking concerning the presentation of my pictures is, to collect them in galleries under User:Haubi/Benutzer:Gerdl/Bilder, meaningful ordered and with description under them (not with the picture data) and than to find a method to transfer them into Commons categories without doing the whole procedure twice in Wikipedia and in Commons. -- Haubi (talk) 17:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I cannot understand what you want to do. Please choose one picture as an example and describe in detail the steps you want to perform on it; perhaps I can then understand. Categorizing images is different from displaying them in galleries. One would not speak of "transferring" images from a gallery to a category. The Wikipedias do not work exactly like Commons, so you would not ordinarily repeat the same steps on them. The English Wikipedia does not allow image galleries to be extensive (see WP:IP and WP:NOTREPOSITORY) and the image categories on Commons are not directly visible on the Wikipedias. Instead you may link from a Wikipedia article to the corresponding Commons category with Template:Commons category and to a Commons gallery page with Template:Commons. Be sure to properly understand the difference between galleries and categories on Commons by reading the pages linked from COM:EIC#Cat and COM:EIC#Gallery. --Teratornis (talk) 19:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Linking a Commons image to a Wiki article

I uploaded an image of Justice Ian Binnie, Supreme Court of Canada, to the Commons. I was trying to add this image to the Wiki page of Justice Binnie, which has only a placeholder image. How do I link my image to the Wiki article on Justice Binnie, so that it appears when you load the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 11:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture tutorial --Justass (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The Ian Binnie article uses Template:Infobox Judge to display the image. Click the "edit this page" tab at the top of the article, and edit the second line which gives the image name. Also note that Wikipedia is not Wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 19:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Emily Austin Perry

To Helpdesk: While I work hard on getting research done, I'm kinda new at doing the photos. There's a photo from a local museum (Brazoria County Historical Museum) of a portrait of Emily Austin Perry. The photo is found at and elsewhere online. Another picture is found at (the historical marker) for her at her grave. I would like to upload these to wikipedia commons but I could not answer all the questions or get it done without getting some kind of warning about copyright. Can you assist me? Thank you, Bull Market / Bull Market 1 Bull Market 1 (talk) 19:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

More information is required. I searched this archive, but that page is very slow. Also they only refer to the photographic or digital reproduction in their archive and not to the original work. Regarding this two images:
--Martin H. (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

usage of photos in print ...

My name is Bob Gravlee and I am the production coordinator of ite Selection Magazine, the trade publication of the Industrial Asset Management Council. We will be running an Economic Developer Directory for all 50 states in our upcoming May 2010 issue and we'd like to feature an image of each state's capitol building. I have found several photos on your site that I'd like to use, about 12 images in all. Do I need any special permission to use these images? Also, if it matters our magazine's circulation is approximately 45,000 - 50,000 per issue.

As soon as convenient please e-mail me at

Thanks for your feedback and for providing such an outstanding service.

Respectfully, Bob Gravlee Production Coordinator Site Selection Magazine 6625 The Corners Parkway, Suite 22 Norcross, GA 30092 (770) 325-3477

You don't need special permissions, but you should follow some conditions. See Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia for details. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


how to reframe a picture of Commons and save (so doing a second version of the same picture)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 10:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Cropbot may help. --Teratornis (talk) 16:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
If you have questions about how to edit pictures, try asking on the Commons:Graphics village pump. The more details you can give about what you want to do, the more likely you are to get a useful answer. For example, you could state the name of the picture you want to edit. Also see Commons:Derivative works. --Teratornis (talk) 23:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Image name change request

Could someone please change the name of the image file "Apollo Space Suit.jpg" to "Gemini 7 spacesuit.jpg"? This is an incorrect file name; I have made the correction in the description. Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 01:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

See COM:FAQ#MOVE. --Teratornis (talk) 19:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I uploaded two nice drawings into Commons and don't seem able to (or know how to) copy these to an article I have for the Birch Reduction in regular Wikipedia

I uploaded two nice drawings giving mechanisms for the Birch Reduction article I submitted.

But I can't seem to copy the drawings to put them into my Birch Reduction article. The article is probably in User:HEZimmerman .

I have a lecture and faculty meeting shortly, so I'll have to log off in five minutes but can check back later.

I'm still a bit unfamiliar with navigating around Wikipedia and Commons.

Howard E. Zimmerman (HEZimmerman) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman (talk • contribs) 15:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Just insert the text [[File:Birch Altern Mechs.gif]] or [[File:Cyclohexadienyl Anion.gif]] into the article at en:User:Hezimmerman/Birch reduction. Lupo 16:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
And see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial, WP:LAYOUT, WP:YFA, Help:User page, Help:Subpage, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry. The site is the English Wikipedia rather than the "regular Wikipedia". There are Wikipedias in many languages. You may be interested in some other wikis about chemistry. --Teratornis (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

How to upload a photo with permission

I need help in uploading a photo for which I have permission to use. I tried to upload the photo and had copied an email from the person giving permission but do not know if there was something else I needed to do as well. I submitted the photo of Veena Rawat and had copied an email from Johnn Brebner who took the photo.

Can you tell me if my upload was accepted? Where do I obtain the link to the upload? Help!

J.A. MacPhee (talk) 23:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any uploads from you. Only one that was deleted earlier (File:Veena3.jpg). If you have a clear release under a free license—not just "you may use this image on Wikipedia" or some such—by e-mail from the photographer, forward the e-mail to Our permissions queue has a backlog; be prepared to wait some days (might also be a week or two) for an answer. Lupo 23:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

How to delete dupe?

I uploaded an image--call it X--for use on en:Wikipedia only to discover that there was an identically named, different image on en:Wikipedia. I uploaded X here again under a different name in order to make its use possible. How do I delete, or flag for deletion, X under the original name I brought it here? DCGeist (talk) 03:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Tag it {{duplicate|better-image.ext}}. Be sure the licensing is correct on the file that will be kept. ZooFari 03:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

How do I create Sub-Categories

There is a Category:Fruit and Spice Park where I plan on having images of various fruits that are grown in that Park.

I need sub-categories under Fruit and Spice Park so that each fruit can have its own sub-category.

Any help would be highly appreciated. Thaumaturgist (talk) 09:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sub-category are no different from other categories. Just create it like you did the park category. A category can be added to another category just like an image. The result will be that you have a sub-category. For example, I added Category:Fruit and Spice Park to Category:Parks in Florida, like this. --rimshottalk 12:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Difference Public Domain / cc-by-sa-3.0-GFDL

What is the practical difference between uploading your work as Public Domain and cc-by-sa-3.0-GFDL? With PD do the person who uses the work have to give the author's name and the source? It seems to say so at "Proper attribution to the author or source of a work, even if it is in the public domain, is still required to avoid plagiarism." However says "People don't even have to credit you." Seems to be conflicting statements. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowflake3 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting this apparent inconsistency between WP:PD and Commons:First steps/License selection. The documents could do a better job of distinguishing between plagiarism and copyright infringement. The former is a breach of ethics in academia and journalism - taking credit for someone else's work to falsely build one's own reputation. The latter is a violation of the legal rights of the copyright holder. Evidently WP:PD applies the journalist ethics standard to Wikipedia contributors: we must attribute the creators of works we upload to Wikipedia so we will not falsely imply or claim to be the creators if we are not. However, when you upload your own work to Commons and place it in the public domain, then you release others outside the Wikimedia Foundation projects from any legal obligation to attribute you as the creator, although if they are journalists or academics they will still have an ethical obligation to attribute you. In the old days, when few people besides journalists or academics published anything, journalistic ethics was effectively a more comprehensive protection - most people who might have republished your work would have had an ethical obligation to cite you as the creator. Today anybody with access to the Internet can be a publisher, and the vast majority of Internet contributors are not bound by any standard of journalistic ethics. So if you want to be credited as the creator of a work you upload to Commons, you would need to choose a license with that requirement. --Teratornis (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
In the good old days, huh? Just look at COM:CQ to see how many illustrations were published without any indication of the illustrator. Or the string on anonymous translations, starting in English with reprints of Caxton's translations with the serial numbers filed off. Sadly enough, many current Internet contributors (and quite a few paper publishers) aren't going to worry about copyright licenses, either. The main concern with anything beyond PD is that some publishers and lawyers are really shy of any complex license, and may choose not to use your picture if it's under CC-BY-SA-3.0. I would pick a license that fits with how you want people to use your work, but understand you live in a world where many don't care.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

A doubt

What if a website does not have the copyright symbol (©) or does not say anywhere "all rights reserved" means that it is free and all your images? --Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It means "All rights reserved" unless clearly stated otherwise -Justass (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle - in general, assume a media file is not free content unless we can prove it is free. See the links under COM:EIC#Copyright for more information about how to determine what is free and what is not. If some content is not free, you might still get permission from the copyright owner and follow the procedure in COM:OTRS. If you want our best guess, give us a link to the site you are thinking about. --Teratornis (talk) 01:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
What kind of images are you looking for? --Teratornis (talk) 01:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Serving a custom thumbnail without re-rendering at lower jpeg quality

Hi, (transcluded from my user page): I prepared a clean, custom thumbnail 300x229 - same size as specified at W:Concorde - and uploaded it to File:300px_Concorde.planview.arp.q8.jpg. The file size is 14 kB, which gives a presentable, fringe-free rendering on my browsers. However, wikimedia is not serving it without further reprocessing - not even to the file viewing window. So I haven't altered the wikipedia thumbnail source yet, as the file source isn't even displayed correctly. I've set my own appearance prefs all over the place and it makes no difference - we get it at 3 929 Bytes, complete with decorative fringes.

Come on guys, you can spare 10k of bandwidth to make this unique thumbnail worth looking at, surely? Where's the disable re-rendering option for specific images?? Trev M 21:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

(indent due to mid-paragraph transclusion), Trev M.

I don't understand what you mean. Using either of [[File:300px_Concorde.planview.arp.q8.jpg]], [[File:300px_Concorde.planview.arp.q8.jpg|300px]], or [[File:300px_Concorde.planview.arp.q8.jpg|thumb|300px]] the software uses the file as-is. Also, on the file description page itself, the image is shown as-is. Also, what "fringes" do you mean? Maybe it'd help if you prepared an example page (as a subpage in your user space) where you actually included the image so that other people could see what you're trying to do, and what the apparent problem might be. Lupo 07:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am also unclear what you mean. I tried some test embeddings at wikipedia:User:84user/Sandbox and included some hash sums if you wish to check them against your original image. I get exactly 14793 bytes. I also uploaded the small JPEG File:Henry Farman first cross-country flight 1908-11-21 crop.jpg and tested that the rendered image is bitwise identical to my copy on my PC. I also tested the Concorde image both locally and via wikimedia in IrfanView, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Opera. All look the same. There are some slight colorations on the starboard wing between fuselage and engine nacelle, do you mean those? Possible causes: browser zoom not 1.0, operating system screen resolution not same as monitor's native resolution. Can you take a screenshot of what you see and upload that as a PNG? -84user (talk) 19:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC) (I struck-through parts) -84user (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
This is fascinating! It raises the hitherto unconsidered possibility that my isp or someone is cacheing and serving me with degraded images! I shall do some traceroutes etc and attempt to verify where the images I'm seeing are actually coming from! Trev M 01:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The results of this investigation get complex and bulky, so continuing with this thread back on my user talk page Trev M 02:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This problems turns out to be my own wireless ISP (Vodafone). It's actually quite a useful feature for getting a faster page loads if one is indifferent to the image quality. If anyone comes here as a result of searching the same issue, there's a couple of workarounds on Macs: for individual pages, Apple-shift-R or Apple-shift+browser_reload_button; for ongoing bypassing of the compression feature, try installing this donate-ware app: (108kB).
This thread is closed now, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, Trev M 01:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Foto von Porträt rechtefrei?

Hallo! Ich habe in einem Buch (von 1988) ein Foto eines Porträts von 1548 entdeckt. Es gibt zu der Person, die darauf abgebildet ist, sonst nur Skizzenzeichnungen und ich würde gerne dieses Foto hier hochladen. Das Foto ist aber schwarz-weiß und nicht bunt wie das Originalporträt. Kann ich das Foto scannen und auf commons hochladen oder wäre das eine Urheberrechtsverletzung gegenüber dem Autor des Buches (oder dem Fotografen/Verlag)? --Feuerrabe (talk) 11:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Wenn das Porträt (Gemälde?) ein Werk eines Autoren ist, der seit vermutlich 400 Jahren tot ist, dann ist es ok. Damit ist das Gemälde gemeinfrei, jede fotografische Reproduktion des Gemäldes ist ebenfalls gemeinfrei da die Reproduktion keine Schöpfunkshöhe hat. Du kannst die Buchseite scannen. Bitte alle sichtbaren 3D-Elemente wie z.B. Bilderrahmen entfernen. Als Quelle (source) bitte das Buch angeben (z.B. Buchautor, Buchname, Verlag, Jahr, Seite), wenn du es möchtest kannst du deinen Namen als "Scan by.." ergänzen. als Autoren den Maler angeben - oder auch "unbekannter Maler" wenn nicht bekannt. Als Lizenz bitte den {{PD-Art}} Baustein wählen. Siehe auch Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. --Martin H. (talk) 14:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Vielen Dank für die Info! Das freut mich ja sehr. :-) Und ja, das Original ist natürlich ein Gemälde. --Feuerrabe (talk) 23:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I didn't upload this file, but the video just doesn't work. When I click on it I just see an X. I think it would be useful (though I don't know because I haven't seen the actual contents), so any help is appreciated. Wizard191 (talk) 12:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

It was an AVI file (Codec ID=FMP4) and not a Theora video. I have converted it to a playable Theora stream at File:Skupaj ogv q10.ogv (high bitrate), and at a slower framerate (and lower bitrate) at File:Skupaj_ogv_q10ifps2fr6.ogv. -84user (talk) 01:52, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much! Wizard191 (talk) 12:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo Upload

Hi, I'm creating a page and am using a photo that I created, yet when I upload it to my page all that shows up is the number 1 and a link back to the original pdf file, why can I not get the photo to directly show up on my page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Watermill333 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

To place a thumbnail on the project page, use , which would yield what's shown of the right. ZooFari 23:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

How to revert an image to a previous edit

Someone replaced with an unrelated image. How do you revert it back to the previous image? Cigarette (talk) 13:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

There is an "revert" button in the file history, the table at the bottom of the page on the file description. Users are not allowed to upload new versions of files - and maybe they are also not allowed to revert reuploads - untill their account is autoconfirmed, so thats the reason why you maybe can not revert yet and, I dont know, the revert link is not shown to you. I will revert the upload as the image is described in all wikis as a satelite photo. thanks for the hint. --Martin H. (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

No idea how to upload file

I am new here, although I edit wikipedia, and I have no idea whatsoever on how to upload a file onto Wikimedia commons. Immunize (talk) 23:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Follow the procedures here. If the image you are uploading is not yours, be sure to familiarize yourself with the licensing on Commons and the applicable copyright tags that the image may fall under. ZooFari 23:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
If you tell us something about the file you want to upload, we can help you navigate the many conditional branches. There are many cases depending on what the file contains, whether it is your work or someone else's, where it was published, etc. See Commons:First steps and COM:EIC#Copyright. The actual mechanics of uploading a file are simple; the hardest part is often figuring out the licensing, and secondarily categories confuse a lot of new Commons users. --Teratornis (talk) 02:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you upload any pictures that are not your own work? Immunize (talk) 19:40, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course, if the creators licensed them freely, or the images are in the public domain. See Commons:Project scope, Help:Public domain, COM:CB, and Commons:First steps/License selection. If you tell us something about the file you want to upload, we can help you navigate the many conditional branches. Note that most of the images you might find by randomly browsing the Internet are not freely licensed. Usually to find free content you must specifically search for it. --Teratornis (talk) 01:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


Please, rename File:Desyat fresco.jpg into File:Desyat wall picture.jpg. I just new, it`s not a fresco but the painting on a piece of roof iron fixed on the wall. -- Дар Ветер (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done Please use {{rename}} next time. -- Common Good (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Categorizing from search results.

Is there any way to allocate many files at a time to a category? i.e. if I search for "RHIB" I get 400+ thumbnail images of "rigid-hulled inflatable boats", many of which aren't in a category. I can see from the thumbnails which one's aren't relevant - but see no way to categorise them without going to each image page individually. Hohum (talk) 02:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

See the links under COM:EIC#Cat which indicate some tools. I've only used Hotcat, which is pretty good but not as efficient as you want. Maybe Cat-a-lot is better for what you want; see Special:Preferences, "Gadget" tab, "Tools for categories" group. --Teratornis (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
✓ Done Cat-a-lot seems to have a selection problem on search pages. However, Commons Commander does the job! Hohum (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Search engine results

File:Groundcombatvehiclelogo.jpg and other related images are not showing up in image searches on bing or google despite matching the keywords I put in. What do I do? Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

When did you add the keywords to the image descriptions? You edited File:Groundcombatvehiclelogo.jpg 8 days ago. Google has a lag time before it indexes new edits on Commons, ranging from hours to days or even weeks in some cases. Searching Google for the file name finds this cached version, which says:
There is nothing anyone on Commons can do to influence what Google does, other than telling Google not to index a page at all (with __NOINDEX__). See Help:Magic words#Behavior switches. All you can do is wait for Google to update its snapshot of the image. --Teratornis (talk) 04:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with {{Assessments}}

When this template is applied to an image and the parameter "com2" is given a value of 1, it displays the text of "This is a Quality image image and is considered to meet the Quality image guidelines." I'd like to change "Quality image image" to "Quality image", but I can't find the text on the template code, and I don't know how to find subpages. Could someone (1) edit the subpage to remove the duplicate word, or (2) point me to the correct subpage? I've been registered for a few years and made nearly sixty thousand edits, so it's plainly not an issue with the semiprotection. Nyttend (talk) 01:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe fixed. --Martin H. (talk) 04:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Redcross insignia

I'm wondering if the Redcross insignia is considered non free content and if this image violates the fair use policy.–droll [chat] 03:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

see Commons talk:Licensing#Proposal to change this policy: Symbols protected by Geneva Conventions (red cross etc.), currently discussed. --Martin H. (talk) 03:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

My gallery

I hid the tab of my gallery, can you help?
Jhuguetr (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

You are missing it or whats the question? Maybe you activated the "Remove Image Tools" Gadget in Special:Preferences(Prefernces; Gadget tab; 3rd section: Maintenance tools)? --Martin H. (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Described an image, but the tag won't budge

I just added a description to the image File:DFZ2401 AB1504 Thornlie.jpg, but the "No Description" tag wasn't removed. I expected it to go automatically. What did I do wrong? PS, I know the image isn't mine, but I just thought I'd do something nice for the original poster and/or uploader. ----DanTD (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong. In fact, that was very nice. Just forgot to remove the "no description" tag on the file. I did it here. Killiondude (talk) 02:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Inkscape Maps

I am trying to upload a map produced on inkscape, but it won't work. I've tried putting it into plain svg and changing the paths of the text elements, yet it still won't upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJLRGS (talk • contribs) 11:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Commons allows any file from the permitted file types (png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, tif, tiff, oga) as long as the file is below 100MB in size. The software not makes differences between valid or corrupt files, you can even rename a .jpg into .svg and upload it, the software will not care. So your problem is the uploading, not the file, or? --Martin H. (talk) 14:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Did you read all the pages linked from COM:EIC#Inkscape? Something there might help, or tell you how to ask for help. You should be able to save a PNG file from Inkscape and upload that. PNG files are raster files and thus are less desirable than vector files when a vector version exists, but at least you will then have a version of your map on Commons while you work out the problem with your SVG file. If you do manage to upload your SVG file later, put the {{Vector version available}} template on the raster version so people know to use the superior vector version. --Teratornis (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

detroit publishing 1898

I have a card KISS OF THE WAVE I can not locate anywhere. With Detroit photographic 1898 copy right — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 18:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a question? If you want to know whether the image on the card has entered the public domain, see Help:Public domain and Commons:Hirtle chart. --Teratornis (talk) 19:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

bot for images from flickr to commons

Hi, I am working on the Traktorenlexkion on de.wikibooks (basically a handbook about tractors). There are many tractors still without an image (see de:wbKategorie:Traktor_ohne_Bild which isn't even complete) and so I searched on flickr. Question: how do I get images like [6] onto flickr and into Category:Claas tractors? Is there some kind of bot for it? So that I can add it to de:wbTraktorenlexikon:_Claas_Arion_640? User Trekkerfahrer on de.wb.

Hello. You can use this tool to speed up the uploading process. The file you linked to looks fine to upload, so there should be no issues. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Julian. So I just need a new username since mine is already taken here. -- 16:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Worked :) File:Claas_Arion_640_tractor.jpg --Traktorenhandbuch (talk) 16:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Images of buildings

I am currently working on the Wikipedia article List of Liverpool John Moores University halls of residence[7]. I have searched numerous sites such as Flickr for images of these halls of residence but to no prevail. With the buildings being owned by certain companies, is there any way a photo of a building could be uploaded to Wikipedia just for use on that article to simply portray the subject (in a similar way to non free-use logos) - e.g. using a photo of Prospect Point from the website [8]. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. Stevvvv4444 (talk) 17:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

By default, everything is copyrighted and unfree unless the copyright holder explicitly declares otherwise. You can upload a copyrighted image to Commons if the copyright holder will agree in writing to release it under a free content license. See COM:EIC#Permreq for instructions on requesting copyright permission. If you can get permission, follow COM:OTRS. You probably cannot upload a non-free picture of an existing building to the English Wikipedia user a fair use rationale because as long as the building exists it is possible to obtain a free image. "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose."
Another option is to search for related photos with {{Flickr free}}:
  • Search Flickr for images with the keywords: John Moores University under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa
There are some freely licensed photos of student accommodations such as Bull Ring - Top Floor. You can upload that particular photo manually with {{Flinfo}}:
or use one of the Flickr upload bots under COM:EIC#Flickr.
Check the rest of that photographer's Flickr photostream. Sometimes a Flickr user will not put the right keywords on all his or her photos to make them easy to find with search, so you may have to scroll through the whole photostream to find unlabeled photos. If someone is already taking photos of buildings in a certain area, you might ask that person to photograph some more buildings. And see:
--Teratornis (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


User:RuthAS has had a number of images marked as having no source and lacking copyright information when they clearly sourced as own work and licensed accordingly. RuthAS is a respected member of the en:wikipedia aircraft project and she has uploaded many rare aviation images she has taken herself in the 1940s and 1950s (some I believe did not have a licence declared but I understand members of the project are helping with that. Can we just remove these deletion notices if they are clearly wrong or does it need a process to rescue them. Withdrawn - has been sorted out by somebody else, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Help me

I cannot upload images because I forget my password of this page. Please help me get my password. This is my Userpage. Thanks.

Did you try E-mail new password in log in form? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

How to delete pictures

i want to delete several pictures i have uploaded to commons.

how is this done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stackjones (talk • contribs) 16:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

COM:D. --Teratornis (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)