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:::::忘了說重要一點就是：類別命名「in Hsinchu」充當社群名稱，這一點就會讓人誤解，若是用「[[:Category:Wikimedians of Hsinchu|Wikimedians of Hsinchu]]」、「[[:Category:Wikimedia Hsinchu|Wikimedia Hsinchu]]」或用「[[:Category:Hsinchu Wikipedia Community|Hsinchu Wikipedia Community]]」，我覺得會比使用「in Hsinchu」更不會產生「是在新竹市？還是在新竹縣？」疑問。問題是這攸關英文命名，我看國外使用「XXX Wikipedia Community」，我想我會問問看是否應該這樣做。--[[User:Kai3952|Kai3952]] ([[User talk:Kai3952|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::忘了說重要一點就是：類別命名「in Hsinchu」充當社群名稱，這一點就會讓人誤解，若是用「[[:Category:Wikimedians of Hsinchu|Wikimedians of Hsinchu]]」、「[[:Category:Wikimedia Hsinchu|Wikimedia Hsinchu]]」或用「[[:Category:Hsinchu Wikipedia Community|Hsinchu Wikipedia Community]]」，我覺得會比使用「in Hsinchu」更不會產生「是在新竹市？還是在新竹縣？」疑問。問題是這攸關英文命名，我看國外使用「XXX Wikipedia Community」，我想我會問問看是否應該這樣做。--[[User:Kai3952|Kai3952]] ([[User talk:Kai3952|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::: 講真的，你難道沒發現沒有其他人在誤解，都是你心裡頭鑽牛角尖假想「萬一」有人誤解嗎？如果你其他的事情很多，不需要再糾結英文名稱了。大部分參與討論的人都說了，沒人對此感到困惑，反而是你的理由讓大家感到困惑。請依照共識，放下這些無謂的擔心。--[[User:Reke|Reke]] ([[User talk:Reke|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::: 講真的，你難道沒發現沒有其他人在誤解，都是你心裡頭鑽牛角尖假想「萬一」有人誤解嗎？如果你其他的事情很多，不需要再糾結英文名稱了。大部分參與討論的人都說了，沒人對此感到困惑，反而是你的理由讓大家感到困惑。請依照共識，放下這些無謂的擔心。--[[User:Reke|Reke]] ([[User talk:Reke|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::: {{re|Reke}} 是你在鑽牛角尖吧。現在的問題是[[:Category:Wikimedians in Hsinchu]]被你們社群佔用，這樣會使得「新竹維基人」類別就沒有了。講真的，我根本沒有看到共識，我又如何能知道是我在誤解，難道你不覺得你說話有問題嗎？--[[User:Kai3952|Kai3952]] ([[User talk:Kai3952|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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关于File:CharleneChoi WikiProfile 2018.jpg图片的OTRS状态

您好，冒昧打扰。图片File:CharleneChoi WikiProfile 2018.jpg上传者声称已将版权信息提交至OTRS，现在已经过去将近两个月，请问该图片的状态为何？是否有ticket ID号码？谢谢。--Wcam (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Wcam: I checked the OTRS system and cannot find that ticket. Please inform the uploader to offer the ticket ID automatic reply via his/her mailbox. 查無該郵件。請通知上傳者查閱電子郵件信箱的自動回覆通知並告知其工單號碼。This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 01:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I have notified the uploader and if they don't submit the license in 15 days the image can be deleted. --Wcam (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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AT (talk) 13:31, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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shizhao (talk) 07:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

冒昧打擾

能否請您幫忙複查一下File:麥寮高中游泳池SPA功能設備剪綵.JPG的版權？CropTool需要版權複查後才能用，而有幾位裏頭的政治人物可以用來說明w:zh:2018年雲林縣麥寮鄉鄉長選舉爭議。--S099001 (talk) 12:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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您好，打扰一下想向您了解一下对License Review使用时的疑惑～

File:Yang Chaoyue, March 23, 2019 Rocket Girl 101 Concert at the Cadillac Arena in Beijing.jpg这是一个由图片所有者在原始出处的评论区声明自由协议授权由我上传的图片； File:Yamy at the 2019 Rocket Girl 101 Flight Concert FLOWER-Guangzhou March 30, 2019.jpg这是一个我协助由图片创作者自己上传的图片，并且已在原始出处声明了本次上传与授权。 两张图片上传后都我给该图挂上了LicenseReview模板。那么我还需要OTRS吗？因为近期可能还会以类似的方式来上传火箭少女的其他艺人图片，因此我想把一些细节问题问清楚以免给管理们再额外增加负担。昨天在讨论区忘了咨询wcam老大了，telegram的新手帮助里管理员向我推荐了您～--@舞月書生（Joye Zhang） 👉Talking👈 02:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@舞月書生: I reviewed your source and permission, and I considered this declaration is valid. Therefore, I passed this case. However, I suggest that you can mark your permission to the same posts in the future. Thanks! This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 03:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Taiwania Justo: Oh, I understand, thank you very much for your help and answer!--@舞月書生（Joye Zhang） 👉Talking👈 03:34, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

关于File:音乐剧演员阿云嘎.jpg的OTRS状态

您好，在下已就File:音乐剧演员阿云嘎.jpg的版权问题发送OTRS，请问您是否有收到？--Masdggg (talk) 03:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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4nn1l2 (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 關於Wikimdians in Hsinchu "City"

本次改動非常不妥？在你指責我之前，請你先搞清楚，上面根本沒有任何說明。既然你明知道「新竹」一詞，既是指新竹市，也可以指新竹縣，為什麼要把話講成好像是我在破壞？看你這種態度，顯然已經如此認定我了。如果你真的覺得是我的問題，你可以自行向管理員報告。但是我可以肯定對你說，在我移動之前，我有查看過每一個活動頁面所公開的訊息，我就是根據這些訊息去移動。如果真的不妥，那也是你們造成的問題，我只是負責處理類別，完全不涉及你們的活動。送你一句話，你翻臉，我也翻臉。--Kai3952 (talk) 09:11, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

就事論事的角度而言，應該是將完整訊息寫在類別裡去介紹。等你搞定了，再通知我去處理。請你放心好了，我不會學你這樣子在做事。--Kai3952 (talk) 09:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
既然你現在已經回退了，卻對我說這些話，看來我跳入你的陷阱了。--Kai3952 (talk) 09:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
您好，我在此對於標示不清、對話態度不妥當以及沒有及時告知已修正完成部分的部分致歉。當時發現時間已經是凌晨1點，後來在2點決定自己處理掉，並處理到4點結束。之後由於活動因素而沒有及時通知您該部分已經處理完成。
我自己有主持活動多年，也會監控相關分類是否亂動，當時發現有移動情形發生時，第一時間比較詫異以及不舒服，因此才會以較為激動的方式回應。此事的確我有思慮不週之處，因此在此向您致歉，以後會注意是否有正確標示活動，並且在改動完成時通知對方。This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 10:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
你在中文維基那裡說過相同的話[1]，為何還要在這裡重覆說？而且我還看見還有另外二位跑來支持你。--Kai3952 (talk) 14:38, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
我已經在[2]、[3]、[4]、[5]給出回應--Kai3952 (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

看來擁護你的人還真不少，其中有一位是說：「你認定 Taiwania Justo是宣稱的活動主持人，而完全自己沒去過新竹聚會現場，或是線上協助他在新竹活動的籌備，就逕自更改他長年經營活動頁面的分類，然後再指責他活動寫不清楚」這話，所以我來這裡是想請問你：

  1. 為什麼你們會有這種規定，要參加過新竹聚會或參與過新竹活動的推廣，只有這些人才能編輯你們的類別？
  2. 請看看你說的話，你是不是有說過「我是新竹維基媒體社群主持人」這話？如果你真的是有說過，為什麼他會用「你認定 Taiwania Justo是宣稱的活動主持人」這種話對我說，難道你不是主持人？
  3. 我看你的編輯總數只有二萬一千餘筆，為什麼他在中文維基那裡，幫你說是「他長年經營活動頁面的分類」，請問二萬一千餘筆是哪來的「長年經營」？是指時間上去計算嗎？還是因為你是新竹社群主持人，在維基共享資源這裡會比較關注新竹社群有關的類別，所以這方面經營比我長年？我會有這疑問，其實是因為我看到自己目前編輯總數有二十五萬七千餘筆，扣掉刪除筆數以及整理林高志這位用戶的照片，其餘筆數有九成是與編輯臺灣相關類別及照片，這樣子筆數也仍然比你多，不解為何我不如你？
  4. 他說的對，我不該指責你，即使我是在學你( 以其人之道還治其人之身 )，確實無助於解決事情，但是我已經在中文維基那裡可以洋洋灑灑寫了很多，真的很抱歉。問題是，當初是你來找我，而且是你自己說是新竹社群主持人，並且說：「範圍不僅限於新竹市」，我當然會想成「事前早就知道卻不去做，徒留問題讓它發生」這種，因為這只有知道的人才會去改，當然你可以有權不去改，只是問題會發生，變成是別人知道之後，形成「你不改，換成是別人要去改」這種局面。你自己可以去思考，假設我學你，知道的事不告訴你，等我看見你做錯再來指責你，你的感受會如何？你不一定會生氣，也不一定會指責我沒告訴你，但是我相信你一定很不爽，你說是嗎？如果是，請回應，若不是，請告訴我為什麼。--Kai3952 (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
我順了你的意，現在你就不想理了？是不是要我自己動手去移動命名，你才想要跑來對我抗議？你看我現在，好像請你像是在「請神」，三番二次對你說話，沒一次理我，而你一次抗議，我就順了你的意，更慘的是，我在中文維基那裡還被他們圍勦。原來你是想看我再次重演，不理我就當我沒通知你，好讓我自己去移動命名，藉此你才有理由找我抗議，然後再次上演我在中文維基被人圍勦的戲碼，你有必要害我嗎？我現在才認識到你是這種人，或者是說，新竹社群的每個人都是這樣害人的。--Kai3952 (talk) 09:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
反正這已經是最後通知，我沒有必要繼續看你的臉色行事。你想害人，你請自便，因為你沒有回應，我當你無異議，誰管你還有沒有空來這裡回應，我知道我盡了義務上通知。到時候我就會再次移動命名，就是將Category:Wikimedians in Hsinchu挪去用來做為「新竹維基人」使用，原本社群就挪去Category:Wikimedia Hsinchu，以區分出前者是維基人的類別，而後者是Wikimedia Taiwan旗下的子類別。--Kai3952 (talk) 09:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
僅此回覆：
  1. 編輯次數與推廣工作是兩回事，有人編輯次數多但不致力於推廣活動，有人編輯次數不多但致力於推廣活動，不能類推。
  2. 我抗議的點，其他人也已經說完了，也就是在更動分類前請先知會創建分類的人，尤其是有關於維基媒體社群分類部分。這不代表說我們限制其他人更動分類名稱，這違反維基媒體精神，而是在更動後收到不同意見時，必須解釋自己更動的依據為何。這部分我的措辭較為激烈，但這並非針對個人，而是事情。如果我的用語以及行為讓您不快，我願意檢討改進。
  3. 之前大多數分類已由臺灣維基媒體社群的志工進行一次整理，足以穩定。當然我能理解您對於臺灣維基媒體社群的活動背景不熟悉，這部分沒有進行善意推定是我要檢討的地方；然而，我兩日來觀察近日您的討論，願意將這件事情付諸公眾討論，有益於這件事情的解決。我認為這件事應該在中文維基百科討論達成共識前維持現狀，直到有共識後再行移動，您是否同意這樣的看法？
  4. 最後，Wikimedia Hsinchu只有在維基媒體基金會承認的自治體，或欲申請為自治體才能夠如此使用。
後續有任何回應，請在中文維基百科互助客棧留言，我有看到會給予意見。This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 09:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Taiwania Justo:
  1. 這我明白，問題是他說：「自己沒去過新竹聚會現場，或是線上協助他在新竹活動的籌備，就逕自更改他長年經營活動頁面的分類」這種話，他言下之意，就是要我有從事推廣工作，並致力於編輯次數都是建立在推廣活動上，這才有資格修改類別或是向你提出異議，這已經不是叫「兩回事」。這麼多類別及照片，你們的社群聚會的照片以及你建立的類別，這些在維基共享資源只佔一小部分。照他的意思，我豈不是只能編輯與你們社群有關的，而且還要先參加聚會，否則我就不能來維基共享資源進行編輯？
  2. 這不是叫違反維基媒體精神，你想說的是：我不應該只用「"Hsinchu" is too ambiguous」這種含糊理由去更動分類名稱，是吧？因為我看見你說：「在更動後收到不同意見時，必須解釋自己更動的依據為何」。至於你的措辭，當然我知道其他人也已經說完了，因為他們都學你呀。如果真的是在針對事情，為何不直接叫我跟你說是什麼原因移動分類名稱，可是你沒有問，反而是在指責我，這造成局面像是我在搞破壞。事實上，我是有根據才這麼做，而不是我自己想要怎麼樣就怎麼樣的。所以說，你這不叫「並非針對個人」，而是真的在「針對個人」。
  3. 為什麼我需要熟悉，我只是負責處理維基共享資源上類別與照片的編輯工作，難不成我還要為你們每一個人做背景調查才可以編輯嗎？你說這種話就是在指責，好像在說：我熟悉就不會有現在這種事發生。我想請問你，難道只有參與你們社群，我就不能用別種方法知道怎麼樣編輯你們的類別嗎？至於你說志工整理，我看到的問題是：Wikimedians in Hsinchu本來是「新竹維基人」類別，你們活動聚會的那些類別也應該放在Category:Wikimedia meetups in Hsinchu，可是你們是混在一塊用，所以我一看就覺得這需要被整理，甚至連類別命名也需要更改。
  4. 可是你們種種跡象都已經構成是「組織」，可以獨立進行任何的維基活動。如果不能的話，你們就不會有社群的主頁面，變成文案只能放在文案的類別、聚會照片只能放在聚會類別，寫作工作坊只能放在工作坊的類別，這樣就沒法串連出你們是「新竹社群」。我只知道Category:Wikimedians in Hsinchu本身用來給那些新竹維基用戶添加類別，以表示自己是居住在新竹或出生於新竹，這在中文維基也有，只是他們有依照縣市：Category:新竹市維基人、Category:新竹縣維基人。所以我很抱歉，我暫時還想不出什麼樣的英文命名「新竹社群」，但是我會找人問問看。
那也僅止於「新竹」一詞的問題，而且是在討論你們在中文維基上的社群頁面，這非但無關於維基共享資源，而且那問題也只是佔我們討論的問題一個很小的部分，你看我討論Category:Wikimedians in Hsinchu以及Category:Wikimedia meetups in Hsinchu這二個就知道。--Kai3952 (talk) 17:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
抱歉，我說錯了，是有關，只是那頁面是在中文維基，所以我不能拿來維基共享資源向社群討論。我說「有關」，指的是我在這裡編輯，就是根據你們在中文維基那裡的社群頁面與聚會活動的訊息。這件事發生的起因也是從這開始的。--Kai3952 (talk) 17:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
忘了說重要一點就是：類別命名「in Hsinchu」充當社群名稱，這一點就會讓人誤解，若是用「Wikimedians of Hsinchu」、「Wikimedia Hsinchu」或用「Hsinchu Wikipedia Community」，我覺得會比使用「in Hsinchu」更不會產生「是在新竹市？還是在新竹縣？」疑問。問題是這攸關英文命名，我看國外使用「XXX Wikipedia Community」，我想我會問問看是否應該這樣做。--Kai3952 (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
講真的，你難道沒發現沒有其他人在誤解，都是你心裡頭鑽牛角尖假想「萬一」有人誤解嗎？如果你其他的事情很多，不需要再糾結英文名稱了。大部分參與討論的人都說了，沒人對此感到困惑，反而是你的理由讓大家感到困惑。請依照共識，放下這些無謂的擔心。--Reke (talk) 17:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Reke: 是你在鑽牛角尖吧。現在的問題是Category:Wikimedians in Hsinchu被你們社群佔用，這樣會使得「新竹維基人」類別就沒有了。講真的，我根本沒有看到共識，我又如何能知道是我在誤解，難道你不覺得你說話有問題嗎？--Kai3952 (talk) 10:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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