User talk:JdH

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JdH has left for good. I can not afford to waste my time fighting idiots like User:Foroa and User:High Contrast who keep deleting my work with no discussion whatsoever, see Category:Solar chimney JdH (talk) 06:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you even read COM:CAT#Category names? And your work was not deleted, it was moved to Category:Solar chimneys. –Tryphon 08:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Let me spell out what has happened. I pretty much wrote that Wikipedia article on the Solar chimney from scratch, and it was me who created the Category:Solar chimney to collect corresponding images that were uploaded by me, and by others who wrote parallel articles on other Wiki's. It was me who had the concept about the Solar chimney article in the first place, and who did all the work, not User:Foroa, not User:High Contrast. In fact they did not contribute anything at all to the subject.
What User:Foroa did is delete the Category I created with no discussion whatsoever, didn't even tell me about it. For unknown reasons he moved my work to a Category he created without explaining why, didn't even tell me about it. When I restored the Category I created he undid my work again, and User:High Contrast deleted the Category I just re-created, again with no discussion whatsoever. This behaviour is outrageous, and totally against the rules of Wikipedia: If you want to change a name of an article or Category you need to have a discussion about it, and explain to people why you think that is, what you don't do is just move in and destroy other people's work. That is against all rules of civility that are supposed to govern Wikipedia.
If you want to have a discussion about it, fine with me, but what should be done first is restore my work, and then we have a discussion. I am not prepared to have a discussion with people holding a knife to my throat; that is uncivilized, and that is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work
It now appears that User:Foroa and User:High Contrast have even resorted to vandalizing my User page, and this talk page as well; a clearcut violation of Admin privileges. Obviously, if people resort to that kind of outrageous behavior it is pretty much the end of Wikipedia as we know it JdH (talk) 07:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi JdH. Foroa has not touched this page or your user page. And I do not quite understand the claim that your work was destroyed - the category was just renamed, which makes it easier to find. But I agree that these moves can be irritating because of link rot, and I agree that some people here give too much priority to neat and clean naming schemes. This is a wiki - people will do things with your work. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hallo Pieter: It was User:High Contrast who vandalized my user page and this talk page, not User:Foroa.
I have copied the deletion log below, to illustrate what has been happening. User:Foroa deleted the Category:Solar chimney on 27 March 2009; that happenend without any prior discussion or feedback at all. When I re-created that page a couple of days ago it was deleted immediately by User:High Contrast, again without any discussion at all.
As I said before, if people think that the Category I created should be renamed the proper procedure is to have a civil discussion about it; it is against wikipedia rules to go ahead and delete it without any prior discussion.
I am prepared to discuss it, but first the situation as is was prior to 27 March 2009 should be restored. By deleting as has happenend the history of that page has been lost, and it no longer shows that it was me who created it in the first place. I feel very strongly that people should credit the effort of people who did all the work in the first place; deleting page with history and all as has happened is against wikipedia rules JdH (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
   * 20:03, 14 September 2010 High Contrast (talk | contribs) deleted "Category:Solar chimney" ‎ (Empty category: Category:Solar chimney moved to Category:Solar chimneys)
   * 17:24, 27 March 2009 Foroa (talk | contribs) deleted "Category:Solar chimney" ‎ (Incorrectly named: content was: '{{en|A solar chimney, or thermal chimney, is an architectural feature to aid natural ventilation and cooling of buildings. Solar-heated air in the chimney rises by convection, drawing in air from outside, u)
You are credited for your work, in the first entry of the history. And you keep talking about wikipedia rules, but this is Commons; maybe you're not familiar with our rules. Did you take the time to read COM:CAT#Category names? After reading it, do you still think a discussion before the move would have made any difference? We usually don't have endless arguments about cases explicitly spelled out in our policies. –Tryphon 15:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Please restore the situation as it was prior to 27 March 2009, until that has happened there is no point of having a discussion about naming conventions. JdH (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Your work was not destroyed. You collected a category of images, and they are still together in one category, which has its place in the category tree. What was done is not much different from changing a word to plural in an article. Contributions to a wiki are subject to changes by others, you must accept that. Now, if there is a problem that category:Solar chimney has become a dead link, one could make that into a {{category redirect}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hallo Pieter: As I have explained repeatedly I strongly disagree with that change of name. It makes that Category much more difficult to find, since its name now differs from the name used on Wikipedia. If it is Wikipedia policy that people can change your work without any explanation whatsoever, and with complete disregard of the opinion of the original author it is time to call it quits JdH (talk) 18:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)