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concerning category of swedish roadsigns

Hello Multichill! You are tagging some swedish roadsign with the "uncat" tag. But they do have a category and some of them are in a gallery too. [1] What's up? Akinom (talk) 19:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I added all licence templates to my ignore list. These templates should only add a licence category. You seem to have a licence template ( {{PD-Vägverket}} ) which also adds a topic category, that's weird. I'll remove it from the ignore list and remove the template from the images in Category:Diagrams of road signs of Sweden. Any more templates of these kind you know about? Multichill (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope.That was the only one I found. Akinom (talk) 13:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, just fired up my bot to clean Category:Diagrams of road signs of Sweden. Should be done in a couple of minutes. Multichill (talk) 13:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
✓  Done . Multichill (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Please add categories to this image

Sorry, you should accept the policy of using only articles for species images - without adding a category. The Image:Byturus tomentosus fg01.JPG is already stored and there is confusion if you add a category. Please read my notes on User:Dysmachus#Categories_and_articles. Thank you very much. --Dysmachus (talk) 07:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Find a recent Commons link for this please. -- carol (talk) 09:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Galleries dont replace categories. You might want to read the relevant discussions and start here. Multichill (talk) 13:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello - Please stop to force put image in categories. if they are in species articles they dont need to be in a category. that is the way we do it for species. if there will be hundrets of pics of a species we could use for this species a category. dont try to change something what is profed a good long long time. If it is aditional in a category it cause confusion. in biology we do it that way. Greetings. --BotBln (talk) 13:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
From Commons:Categories#Categories and/or galleries? : Some users are of the opinion that when an image is included in a gallery article, it is sufficient to categorize that article. Others believe that each individual image should be categorized too. The consensus on this issue, as determined by vote, is that both systems are equally valid and should be used concurrently. Do not remove categories just because an image is in a categorized gallery. It is hoped that in the future the software will be updated to merge the functionalities of galleries and categories into one. Automated tools for finding images must dig through categories and gallery articles. Multichill (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
But nearly nobody voted there. Stop it with Species images please. --BotBln (talk) 13:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I wont stop. Multichill (talk) 13:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

templates and bots

I outlined a really good taxonomy bot at Rockets talk page. The reason for this is the templates got me thinking. How sensitive are you to when a stupid mistake of who is interested in what is made? Or, this question can also be, can I paste the outline here also? -- carol (talk) 09:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I named the outline COMBotBot. Kinda cool, eh? -- carol (talk) 09:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll read it over there. Multichill (talk) 17:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
English wikipedia has a policy that if there is only one species in a genus to make only the genus article. Whether that makes sense there or not I have not actually been able to decide -- they have a bunch of articles. For here, the categories can function for more than just a place to collect images. For making lists of species and subgenus and stuff like that. Through much consideration of what I have seen online and what the software can accomplish beyond storing images, I have started to fill in the whole taxonomy tree regardless of if there is only one or not. -- carol (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
It has taken me a while to 1)learn enough of the science of botany to know what they are doing and 2)learn enough about the wiki-interface to know ways it can be used to allow the information that is already here to be presented in ways that the science already does. That is the reason that I am sorry for the redirects in the species categories that I made. Wiki search finds the synonyms in the text of the category page. I write this now because of the recent redirection change in Category:Jacobaea maritima. It actually should all go to something in Category:Cineraria (oops!). So this paragraph is both a defense, an apology and an explanation. I would like for both [[::Category:Jacobaea maritima]] and [[::Category:Senecio cineraria]] to be deleted. -- carol (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Whee! that was quick! I have been working on the beginnings of the branching of those trees. When you are in of a mind to author software or express personal preferences, let me know. Like, should I put the outline for COMBotBot someplace else? I have more interesting templates that need to be pasted and should have plenty of category that need to be deleted but with simple requests being handled so "quickly" (that is a compliment, it was cool to see this) I am kind of wanting to show you instead where to work and what to paste and I also need some help (or time to figure it out on my own which is kind of boring when people here know how to do things) with the templates that are being pasted. -- carol (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I put this there instead of here because I would like to put it all (and most of it is there) on a talk page for COMBotBot. -- carol (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
And now for the "less"on here -- it is for me I guess. I just had you delete the category that should exist and it was about an article I either wrote or expanded and I should know better than that. My bad and also, my bad before coffee today. Heh. It doesn't matter so much as I was headed there to get things looking better and also to be much more functional than it has been. "I was working in the other parts of the tree" she said defensively.
Let me know when you are in the authoring mood. That whole section in COMBotBot description about slurping lists of categories and creating categories with those names and pasting templates on them seems to me like it would be fun authoring. -- carol (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Category redirects part II

I was wondering if you could help me out. I'm trying to get non-empty hard category redirects to end up in Category:Non-empty category redirects also. My plan was to create a template (like this) and add it after the #REDIRECT part. This categorizes correctly and everything, it's just I can't figure out how to get your script to work with it. I keep getting "Dummy edit at Category:Something failed". I thought all I would need to do is craft a similar template and add the template's name to the script. This doesn't work. Even if I use {{category redirect}} itself. I guess it's the redirect part that's screwing it up. Any ideas? Rocket000 (talk) 14:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What about doing it like this? Multichill (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I could (and will, if you think that's a better idea), but I was thinking if we're going to have a category redirect bot that runs a couple times a day, do we really need soft redirects anymore? Making soft redirects aids in maintenance and finding images because people get to see that some are not empty before being redirected. If they are continuously emptied automatically, the benefit of soft redirects is no longer there, AFAICS. That's not to say I think we should abandon {{seecat}} all together; I was planning on making a new template that was changed from hard to soft—hard when empty, soft when not, but I found this to be impossible due to #REDIRECT being very picky (it works with parser functions but not templates, and nothing can come before it so the best you can do is break it to make it soft—not pretty). The hard redirects do have many benefits. 1.) They make navigation easier. 2.) They take users coming from other projects (where most our links come from) to the right place. 3.) And, most importantly IMO, they don't count as categories and fill up Special:UnusedCategories. Maybe there's something with soft redirects I'm missing here, but I always saw them as a workaround and not an improvement to the #REDIRECT system. Rocket000 (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


I started to write that in python syntax and it started to occur to me that if I am going to be writing instructions in python syntax that perhaps it is more advantageous to commons for bot writers and bot users to give up their priveleges for those who don't want to paste GAY templates everywhere. Heh! -- carol (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

So, really, if all you can do is use the bot and not actually author one, is the correct person sitting at the control there? With all due respect and since it is in fact a 46 year old woman (gardener, bread maker, needlepointer, occasional hair curler) who is writing this stuff that the bot writers should be writing -- isn't there a problem here? -- carol (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Media needing categories

Hello, did you notice that once a subcategory of Category:Media needing categories is empty, on that subcategory page the message about speedydelete appears automatically, but there comes no category line down that page and the mention at the Category:other speedy deletions page does not appear automatically; only after having put manually a speedydelete message at the empty page, that page appears at the speedeydelation category. May-be you can improve the software. Greetings, Havang (talk) 09:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, noticed that too. You can just do a dummy edit (save without changing anything, wont show up in history) on the empty category and it will apear in Category:other speedy deletions. Good job on the categorisation! Maybe you're willing to help out in the future with Category:Media needing category review? My bot will automaticly try to find categories for pictures in Category:Media needing categories, but the result has to revied by a human. I'm still working on the code, but already did two test runs. Multichill (talk) 09:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Oke,but remind me sometimes. Have a nice weekend. Havang (talk) 10:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
We can have a bot dummy edit these routinely (along with a couple other slow updating cats). I remember using a python script a long time ago called "" or something and it was pretty fast. Right now I just use AWB, which works fine for my purposes, but having something always running on the toolserver would be nice. Low resource demand I would imagine. BTW Multichill, I never thanked you for doing all this work with categories, so thank you. It's very much appreciated. Rocket000 (talk) 05:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Archanara sparganii FvL.jpg

Why does this image need a category as it is in a gallery page, Archanara sparganii? Fvlamoen (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hoi Fvlamoen, zie de andere discussies hierboven op m'n overlegpagina. Een gallerij dient niet ter vervanging van een categorie. Multichill (talk) 15:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Nee, dat bedoelde ik ook niet. Eerder waren ze gelijkwaardig dacht ik, maar ik zie nu dat de categorie verplicht is. Jammer hoor. Fvlamoen (talk) 15:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Hoezo jammer? Cats voor alles, gallerijen voor de mooie plaatjes. Als een categorie te vol wordt kan er altijd een subcat (bijvoorbeeld Category:Archanara sparganii) worden aangemaakt. Wat echt jammer is dat we op dit moment 3 miljoen bestanden hebben, maar een hoop daarvan niet terug te vinden is. Multichill (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


Zou het verstandig zijn, nu er noh maar weinig items Category:landscapes of Limburg zijn, die cat te veranderen in eenduidiger Category:Landscapes of Limburg, Netherlands? Kunnen we dat zelf doen, of moet dat eerst democratisch gevraagd worden? En dank voor 't samenspel. Havang (talk) 16:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ja, dat lijkt me wel een goede. Ik zal zo m'n bot een duwtje geven om de cat te hernoemen. Jij bedankt voor het helpen, ik wilde Category:Files moved from li.wikipedia to Commons requiring review al een tijd lang opruimen. Multichill (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot needed

In the past few days I got more and more notifications that an image of mine needs to be categoriesed. When I uploaded most of my 1.500 something fotos there where no categories or it was not such an issue. So, if Wiki needs all images to be categoriesed - write me a bot and I'll do it... Zyance (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Zyance, hotcat might be your tool of choice. You can activate it in Your preferences -> gadgets -> Tools for categories. I'm working on automatic categorization (see the other topics here at my talk page), but for this to work the image need to be used at some wikipedia or be in a gallery here. Is this the case with your images? Multichill (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving a message: Castafior

Ok but where can I find explicit categories. The divisions, subdivisions and other divisions are too hard for me. Thanks by letting me know how to doCastafior (talk) 12:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

From: here. Bye, --Filnik\b[Rr]ock\b!? 20:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot work

Hello, a couple of questions.

  1. There seems to be a problem in Category:Media needing categories as of 22 July 2008 and later. It displays a red message "Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "," ". A problem in the UncategorizedHeader template I guess.
  2. Would it be possible to make a bot move the subcats and media contained in Category:Non-empty category redirects ? That would be a nice cleanup.
  3. Would it be possible to run this bot once a day (cron) or on another regular bases. When users use a redirected cat, then they get informed quickly, which avoids further bad categorisation.

Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 06:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Foroa,
  1. Fixed the template. See meta:Help:Magic_words#Other_2
  2. Yes, it looks like a bot should do a little clean up over there, might be my bot or another bot
  3. Please see Commons:Bots/Requests for flags#Category redirect bot. Automatic could become a source of vandalism/edit warring (just slap an category with redirect and it will get moved).
Multichill (talk) 09:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

template translation

Hi, Multichill! Since you added the nl translation to Template:Source missing/nl, would you be so kind to also translate {{description missing}} and {{author missing}}? Thanks in advance, Waldir talk 01:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

✓  Done . Multichill ( ) 21:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


Om commons-categorieën toe te kennen, begin ik bij een nl-pagina-categorie, in Limburg (Nederland), dan ga ik langs alle pagina's en controleer alle plaatjes op die pagina's in commons om ze eventueel om te catten van Category:Castles in the Netherlands naar Category: Castles in Limburg, Netherlands. Ik zie jou zo snel dingen per bot doen, dat dit waarschijnlijk ook binnen je mogelijkheden ligt.Is dat zo, dan hebben we er een elegante manier van categoriseren bij, vermoed ik. Groeten, Havang (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Zou met een bot kunnen, ik heb in ieder geval even snel een lijstje voor je geschoten te vinden (hier). Dit zijn alle afbeeldingen die in nl:Categorie:Kasteel in Limburg (Nederland) gebruikt worden (dus ook afbeeldingen die in sjablonen staan). De query
SELECT DISTINCT CONCAT("*[[:Image:", il_to, "]]")  FROM page JOIN categorylinks ON page_id=cl_from JOIN imagelinks ON page_id=il_from WHERE cl_to="Kasteel_in_Limburg_(Nederland)";
Ik hoop dat je er wat aan hebt. Als je het handig vindt dan kan ik vaker van dit soort lijstjes schieten. Ik denk trouwens dat je wel blij wordt van hotcat. Je kan het aanzetten in je voorkeuren -> gadgets -> Tools for categories. Multichill (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Ik hoop dat ik er genoeg van begrijp om er iets mee te kunnen doen. Ik ga het bestuderen. Havang (talk) 19:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Category: Castles in Limburg, Netherlands liep snel vol. Ik heb op je kladblokpag een lijstje toegevoegd van images die "niet bestaan", misschien heb je er wat aan. En nu nog HotCat bestuderen.Groeten Havang (talk) 20:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
De afbeeldingen met de rare tekens staan waarschijnlijk gewoon op commons, de anderen zijn (nog) niet overgezet vanaf nl wikipedia naar hier. Waarschijnlijk omdat er informatie ontbreekt (bron/auteur). Multichill (talk) 20:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

'T wordt nog spannend. Vervolgvragen:

  1. Om mee verder te gaan: Kun je (me leren) kasteellijstjes (te) maken voor alle provincies?
  2. Kun je de procedure ook de andere kant uit laten lopen: kijk eens naar category:Coats of arms to be classified, Nederland met zijn 443 gemeentes is vrijwel OKE, dat heb ik vorig jaar gedaan; maar met name Frankkijk met zijn 40.000 gemeentes is een puinhoop, terwijl op de franse wiki veel gegevens vastliggen. Dus een correlatie: fr:Blasons xxx - Commons:Coats of arms xxx zou zeer welkom zijn.
  3. HotCat heb ik op mijn preferenties aangevinkt. Sorry, ik programmeer nooit iets; ik kan die regels niet "lezen" en ik heb een gebruiksaanwijzing nodig bij je query en bij HotCat. Vragen dus: waar moet ik die query-regel neerzetten, en hoe activeer ik HotCat? (Ja zucht maar) Groet. Havang (talk) 21:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
    1. Ik zal wat lijstjes voor je schieten. dank Havang (talk) 07:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Ik kan het je helaas niet leren, je hebt namelijk toegang nodig tot de toolserver om dit soort lijstjes te maken.
    2. Wellicht wel, maar ik ben ook bezig (zoals ik al eerder zei) met een bot om automatisch afbeeldingen te voorzien van een category. Image:74520.jpg geeft bijvoorbeeld Category:Cities and villages in Haute-Savoie (van hier). Dit is een wat magere vangst, maar dit valt te verbeteren. Als je alle artikelen in fr:Catégorie:Armorial des communes de France, par département voorziet van een link naar de bijbehorende categorie op commons dan doet de bot het al een heel stuk beter.Perfect! Ik ga er wat mee spelen Havang (talk) 07:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
    3. Het duurt even voordat hotcat het doet (of je moet je browser verversen met iets als CTRL-F5), maar als het werk zie je op eens een plusje naast category, bijvoorbeeld hieronder staat bij mij Category: (+). Multichill (talk) 22:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC) O, is dat hotcat! zit ook bij "upload file", oke. En dus, ik kan je in de toekomst vragen "lijstjes te schieten", fijn Havang (talk) 07:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC).
  • Hoy Multichill, die hotcat werkt inderdaad prettig. Bedankt.
  • Die commonscat-toevoeging is een succes, ze zijn allerlei coats of arms van commons in de wiki-fr artikelen aan het plaatsen. Dank !!!
  • En voor kastelen heb ik zowel een nl:lijst als nl:categorieën om mee te werken, ik zet de nederlandse pagina's op mijn bureaublad en dat werkt als een "geschoten lijst" (misschien minder volledig, maar ja). Ik heb vandaag Category:Castles in Gelderland gedaan. Wordt vervolgd. Havang (talk) 20:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Categorised pages with uncategorised images

Hoy, Multichill, is it possible to first select pages with uncategorised images, and classifie these alike the page, before dispersing those to "media needing categories"? Greetings Havang (talk) 10:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Difficult because of the sheer volume of images. This was my first plan, but the queries took way to long. My new plan. Day 1; images gets uploaded. Day 2; the picture gets tagged as uncategorized. Day 3; the picture is automaticly categorized. Still have to catch up with some backlog (i'm now at Category:Media needing categories as of 1 January 2008). I will modify {{UncategorizedHeader}} to show if a bot already tried to categorise pictures in that category. Multichill ( ) 10:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I modified the template ({{UncategorizedHeader}}). Multichill ( ) 10:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons has a specific scope

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Weather like this?

Thank you for your contributions. Your image or other content, Category:Media needing category review as of 21 June 2008, was recently deleted, or will soon be deleted, in accordance with our process and policies, because it was not, or is not, within our scope. Please review our project scope, but in short, Commons is targeted at media files including photographs, diagrams, animations, music, spoken text and video clips. Wikimedia Commons does not contain text articles like encyclopedia articles, textbooks, news, word definitions and such. Each of these other kinds of content have their own projects: Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wiktionary and Wikiquote.

If the content seems to fit the scope of one of those other projects, please consider contributing it there. If you think that the deletion was in error because the contribution really was in scope, you can appeal it at Commons:Undeletion requests, giving a reason why it fits our scope to help others evaluate the matter. Thank you for your understanding.  -(feel free to delete the template here also) carol (talk) 11:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL, thanks for checking these images. You can just mark it for speedydelete (just do a dummy edit on the cat) and me or one of the other admins will trash the category. Multichill ( ) 11:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
That template placed itself there when I reloaded to make sure I had remembered to remove all of the templates from the images. So perhaps the speedydelete template should jump into the empty category :)
It would have scared me (maybe) had the evening been quieter and the weather a little different! -- carol (talk) 11:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's a self-destructing template ;-), but it takes some time to show up in the speedydelete category. A dummy edit will force it to show up. Multichill ( ) 11:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Humid! Hot, still (no wind) and humid! That is when they used to emerge from the walls.... -- carol (talk) 11:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Your bot

Your bot is a PITA. Rather than program it to mark all my images as non-categorized, why not help by assigning a category. Hmmm, seems more productive. Or tell me how to make a bot, and I will do it myself. Thanks. Rarelibra (talk) 03:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Excellent suggestion. Bot writers will need to know the process and the logic to write a software that can work that way. Categorizing your own images is a good start towards that. -- carol (talk) 03:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that even humans categorise in a different way with varying degrees of accuracy and completeness. Once you find a human procedure that works flawlessly, we can think on a bot procedure, not the other way round. --Foroa (talk) 07:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
There are two things that a couple of months ago, I thought was impossible. One was that a software could be written to find the correct category for the images that I categorized here last year (gleaning the information from the description or image title or where it was being used). The other was that a software could find a duplicate image if it existed from a base of 3 million images. I was wrong about one of those tasks!! -- carol (talk) 08:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
@Rarelibra, tagging as uncategorized is only the first step (see here). I already have a bot to automaticly categorise images (source) which i used in several test runs (result) but i have to fix some things before i'll let it run again.
@carol, finding duplicates is easy now since we now have a hash of every image. Automatic categorization is based on the usage in galleries or at wikipedia. For the second part i use commonssense. And to make commonssense make more sens i have this little project. Multichill (talk) 09:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  1. Don't tell me about ease and hash marks! There is this beautiful thing when software does something that really would be impossible for a real person to accomplish more efficiently (quickly, precisely and all of that) and this one task seemed impossible for even software to do as efficiently as it is. Just a little more time with this being a modern day miracle -- PLEASE!
  2. Gallery titles for categorization here is a great idea. Slurping the categories from English wikipedia -- perhaps those images can be added to their own category so that they can be edited, reduced and/or refined?
BotChill is leaving very beautiful footprints in my watchlist!! -- carol (talk) 00:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
You might want to take a look at Category:Media needing category review. All images which are categorized based on data from commonshelper will be placed in a subcategory of Category:Media needing category review. Multichill ( ) 07:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I had a short look on the automatic categorisation results and some of them are really impressive and will save significant work. A couple of remarks/suggestions:
  • On many places, you managed to find the country but this is accompanied by several "xxx by country" categories. This should be not too hard to improve (easy to say). The same goes for xxx by city, but is less important.
  • When inserting a xxx by country cat, it might be useful to add a comment with the country name behind it
  • When you manage to find the birth year, then I guess you found a basic article, so it should be interesting to insert that as an interwiki (that takes 30 % of my categorisation time). A wrong or double interwiki's are better than nothing.
  • As above, when you manage to find the birth year, it might be feasible to reuse the defaultsort
  • I guess that you don't include redirected pages. It might be useful to flag root categories (categories for diffusion) and disambiguation pages (and redirect pages if unavoidable) with a comment indicating so
  • I fail to see the need for adding category:Categories for discussion
  • I understand that you inherit some information from commonsense, which limits your degree of freedom, so should the tools not be discussed as a couple/tandem ?
Overall, impressive work. Please keep us updated on the evolution, maybe one should start a special talk page on that. --Foroa (talk) 07:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Foroa, as is said above i'm using commonssense to find categories. Yesterday i wrote a filter to filter out supercategories. Commonsense will check where an image is used, see if the article has a link to commons, if not check this for every category at the article, then the parent categories, etc etc. For example Image:Anne-sexton.jpg will give a lot of junk because of the amount of categories at en:Anne Sexton. Image:Zaandijk - molen De Bleeke Dood uithangbord.jpg was right on the spot:
I have a little project to add links to commons to as many categories as possible to make Commonssense give better results. If an image ends up in a "xxx by country" this usually means the category doesnt exist at commons or that the commonscat template is missing at wikipedia. I would rather keep my bot as a wrapper around commonssense and try to add these improvements to CommonSense. User talk:Multichill/Categories might be a nice special talk page. I will update User:Multichill/Categories with all the possible improvements. Multichill ( ) 09:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'll admit - I'm human as any other, and up until now it was a "duh" thing that just didn't hit me to categorize it the moment I create it. I am doing that from this point on - but I have created hundreds of images and your bot is going to fill my watchlist.

Please - tell me how to create a bot, and I will bot my own images instead of such laborious work of one-by-one additions.

?? Thanks Rarelibra (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You, a list of uploads, hotcat and a rainy afternoon is all what it takes to categorize all these images. You can activate Hotcat in Your preferences -> gadgets -> Tools for categories. These makes categorization much faster and easier. This is just one click. Multichill ( ) 18:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate detection

When considering all the additional work caused by identical images flooding from all sides, I am wondering if this image duplicate checking could not be done systematically at upload time, especially for bot loads. I guesstimate that a person is half-time busy by handling this duplicates, sending them to the delinker, ...

And frankly, it is frustrating to spend 15 minutes in trying to find the right categories and discovering afterwards that an identical image exists already. --Foroa (talk) 07:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, this shouldnt be to difficult to do. Let's see. I could have a bot run once a day checking all the uploads (just like the uncat bot). If there are any images with the same hash they should be tagged. I'll think about it. Multichill ( ) 10:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Shooting a list

I am studying possibilities to improve the Category:Way of St. James in France by splitting them in the four principal Ways in France. Is it possible that you shoot for me a list of images related to one of these four: main article fr:Via Lemovicensis and cat fr:Catégorie:Via Lemovicensis. Havang (talk) 10:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I put the list of images in use in fr:Catégorie:Via Lemovicensis at User:Havang(nl)/List. Multichill ( ) 10:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks,it works out fin, see the work done this morning category:Via Lemovicensis and try also out the catscanlink. I also discovered how to "shoot" my own lists: see [2]. That marks the images which are on commons, leaving unmarked which are not yet on commons. If you upload these as a series and list them on my list page, I can readily check their categories! I learned a lot these few days!!! Havang (talk) 10:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Please delete three of my images, if possible

Hello. I made an error when naming three images I uploaded today. I uploaded duplicate versions with correct names; they are now categorized and linked. You identified the older ones correctly as orphans. They should be just deleted. Their names are:

Please, if you know how, just remove these from Wikimedia. They are not linked anywhere, nor are they categorized.


Wilson44691 (talk) 02:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Wilson44691, please tag the images with {{duplicate|<name of right image>}} (for example like this) and an admin will have a look at it. Multichill (talk) 08:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Done! Wilson44691 (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


Hello, Multichill. Category:Via Lemovicensis turns out to be some kind of side category of city categories. I did a try-out to avoid that an item comes twice in the city category by making a page linking categories, see the page Limoges concerning Via Lemovicensis‎ linking Category:Limoges concerning Via Lemovicensis and Category:Limoges. See how this works out on Category:Limoges and Category:Via Lemovicensis. (Same for Bourges). The page functions as "link-and-separate category trees". It seems to me that for the linking page and the side-category templates could be made and that a more general use of pages linking categories should be possible. I want to have your opinion before it bringing to Village pump. Havang (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC) P.S.The aim is to have treecrossing shared-item (A<->B) as Category:A<->B in Category A and as non-category (A<->B) (as pageA<->B) in Category B. This is possible by a pageA<->B to categoryA<->B redirect with the appropriate cats and one link under CatA<->B towards catB. In such a way, items will appear in each tree only once, I hope.

I lied on my talk page

I despise that message on there about where to respond and as soon as I wrote that, blah blah.

Is it a problem that I pasted the piped category names? I can paste a column but have yet to discover how to delete one.... -- carol (talk) 09:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I lied here also. Nevermind except for the thank you part :)
-- carol (talk) 09:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The categories should contain images for me to sort. Most of the categories you added dont contain any images. Multichill (talk) 09:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that is right! Sorry. The first batch contained galleries, I forgot. The second batch contained mostly and maybe exclusively images. -- carol (talk) 10:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Stripped the list to where the image ones started, and the first one did not have images but the next three did. Sorry. I will be ready when you have a toy for pasting gallery names onto images though! -- carol (talk) 10:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful informations about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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Bad autocat categories

This morning again, I removed a number of images out the disambiguation category:Berg. This error arrives when the image has something to do with mountains, and nothing with the related category Berg communes or area.

  • b 08:00 Image:Hohenstaufen-02.jpg‎ (2 changes) . . (+134) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]
  • b 07:59 Image:Ochsenkopf bei Rittersgruen.jpg‎ (2 changes) . . (+91) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]
  • b 07:55 Image:Stock.JPG‎ (2 changes) . . (+286) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]
  • b 07:55 Image:Czorne1.jpg‎ (2 changes) . . (+165) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]
  • b 07:54 Image:Bosslerkreuz.jpg‎ (2 changes) . . (+144) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]
  • b 07:54 Image:Bossler-von--Westen.jpg‎ (2 changes) . . (+144) . . (Page history) [BotMultichill‎; Foroa‎]

--Foroa (talk) 06:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Foroa, i think this errors could be fixxed with a disambiguation filter, will add it to my todo list.Multichill (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Geraea viscida San Diego County.jpg

The image

Your bot keeps tagging this as an annual, but it is a perennial. I think the mistake is a result of the other, more widely known species in the genus, Geraea canescens, being an annual.--Curtis Clark (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Curtis, as you already noticed, the bot takes the category from the gallery. The bot knows nothing about annuals (me neither). You, as the smart human, should add the right category instead of just removing everyting. Multichill (talk) 02:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I got out of the habit of adding categories back when I was simultaneously chastised for putting images in too general a category and chastised for making species categories instead of species pages. And now I'm being chastised for removing incorrect categories (as well as having uncategorized templates or categories from galleries added to all the images that User:Ies ripped out of categories some time back). It's all very frustrating. But I guess I'm going to have to start putting species pages on my watchlist.--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Curtis, i dont want to frustrate you. Thanks for adding the image to the right category. I'm doing a project to get every file in a category. Please see that page for how it's exactly done. If someone would remove the category again from this image my bot would (eventualy) place the image in Category:Geraea viscida again because the image is used in Geraea viscida. Multichill (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


Thanks a lot for your autocategorisator robot. It find for me a lot of images. ~ bayo or talk 23:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice to hear that! You might want to respond at Commons:Village pump#Categorization progress to make it even better. Multichill (talk) 16:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Questions and a large Yikes!

I just looked at Category:Media needing categories and from about July 23 onward -- this is a huge difference!! That would be the yikes!

The question I have is that I am curious what causes inclusion into Category:Media needing categories to be checked by a bot? Just due to the name, I didn't even look at the images there, heh. -- carol (talk) 23:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My bot first tags images as uncategorized, this will put these images in a subcategory of Category:Media needing categories and a subcategory of Category:Media needing categories to be checked by a bot. A second bot tries to categorize these images. When a bot is done with a category it will tag the category as checked (like this). This will place the category in Category:Media needing categories requiring human attention. Whole process is described here. Multichill (talk) 07:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
That is an interesting and probably good logic. It is also good to know that a bot might attempt to categorize those sections containing 1000 or more images first.... -- carol (talk) 10:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Good system. What to do with botcategorised Category:WikiProjects - let it stand or remove it? Havang(nl) (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Filter: Category:Categories....

As Images are not Categories, it should be useful to filter all Category:categories..... .Havang(nl) (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't put files into Category:People by country

Nice work on the automatic categorisation using your bot. In most cases, it's at least a good first attempt, allowing those of us monitoring certain categories and have a decent idea of the relevant subcategories to see the images in context and sort it into more relevant categories.

If possible, though, could you try to make sure the bot doesn't put files into categories such as Category:People by country, which should only ever be an intermediary category? That category should only contain subdirectories for people from specific countries. This of course goes for all the top-level subdirectories of Category:Categories by country. If you've managed to get the bot to conclude that Image:LasseLindh.jpg should go in Category:People by country and Category:Sweden, it shouldn't really be rocket science to put two and two together and place it in Category:People of Sweden, but even just placing it in the country category and simply not including people by country would reduce clutter. LX (talk, contribs) 13:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Already discussed in #Your_bot. --Foroa (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It means: If the bot puts the item in a certain category, it should be nice if it runs lower category levels (like catscans do) to see if a lower level cat fits also. But is that possible as bot-work? Also, this bot repeates sometimes a category twice or three times; is there a bot searching on same category twice? Havang(nl) (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, let's see, i could make a filter for this. I would need a list of countries. Go over all categories
  1. See if a category is present in the form of <x> by country
  2. See if a category is present containing a country (<y>, i need a list of countries for that)
  3. See if there is a subcategory of <x> by country which contains <y>, add this category or move the image to <x>
For Image:LasseLindh.jpg, this would go like this:
  1. Found Category:People by country
  2. Found Category:Sweden
  3. Found Category:People of Sweden, replace Category:People by country with Category:People of Sweden
Something like this? The overcategorization filter would remove Category:Sweden btw. Multichill (talk) 16:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
You've got the idea. :) LX (talk, contribs) 17:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This morning, I have again to clean up the "harvest" in the Category:Berg disambiguation page. For example, in image Image:Guffert face nord.jpg, the category berg makes no sense at all in the following list:
My morning harvest (besides the traditional Jura, Kyoto, Galicia and trolley disambiguation categories). This is a bot categorised image that shows that there is some room for improvement. Its cats are:
--Foroa (talk) 10:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Will work on the filters the next couple of days and have a go at the files already tagged with {{Check categories}}. Multichill (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok. Did a rewrite. Added the filters filterBlacklist (filters blacklisted categories), filterDisambiguation (filters disambiguation categories), followRedirects (follows links in redirected categories). This will keep a lot of crap out. Now i'm going to work on the country filter thing. Multichill (talk) 20:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The filter is now running. Multichill (talk) 11:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing bot autocat feedback

Hi, as you can see in Category:Non-empty category redirects, a rich bot autocat harvest of redirected categorisations. (some of them, with the big numbers, are a preparation for merging or renaming categories). What's striking is the chinese/arabic/russian cat names, which are unreadable for most people and in my opinion should never occur. --Foroa (talk) 06:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you read my response? I implemented followRedirects. Please wait with deleting category redirects, this will create a lot of broken links at wikipedia's. I plan on changing to correct these links to redirect categories, but for this the categories still have to be present. Multichill (talk) 08:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I read your comments. I am not deleting redirects because of the bot cats. Most people that do a lot of categorisation check only if a link is blue or use the java tools (HotCat, search box) for auto fill in. In fact, through the redirects, people are learning wrong rules. Therefore, category redirects that simply redirect because there is a mistake in the of/from, capitalisation and plural rules generate more problems than they solve.
Anyway, you told me in that deleted redirects should be no problem. --Foroa (talk) 09:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Of course most of the category redirects could be deleted, i just ask you to wait untill i did a bot run. The message you're linking to was at my talk page, but i didnt write it. Multichill (talk) 09:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Today, I deleted only a couple of redirects because they popped up as being used and their only reason of being is correction of basic syntax errors. I'll wait for further clean up.
I did not notice that the referenced talk was from Romaine, although you did not respond neither. --Foroa (talk) 09:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


BoNM - Netherlands.PNG
The dutch barnstar of national merit is awarded to MULTICHILL

for his outstanding efforts to scale up the categorisation process

with special mention his improving of categorisation by country

Havang(nl), thank you very much, Multichill (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Query request

Hey Multichill, when you have time can you do a query for me? I'm trying to clean up incomplete DRs and I would like a list of all pages that start with "Commons:Deletion requests/" and are not transcluded anywhere (excluding redirects). Also, if it's not too much trouble, a list of completely orphaned redirects that begin with the same. You can dump the results on User:Rocket000/Sandbox2 (any format will do). Thanks. Rocket000(talk) 02:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll do the queries as soon as possible. Multichill (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Ai ai ai, slipped my mind.
use commonswiki_p;
SELECT page_title FROM page WHERE page_title LIKE 'Deletion_requests/%' AND page_namespace=4 AND NOT page_title LIKE 'Deletion_requests/Archive%' AND NOT page_title like 'Deletion_requests/2008%' AND NOT exists(SELECT * FROM templatelinks WHERE tl_title=page_title AND tl_namespace=4);

I have to leave, no time for formatting, have fun. Multichill (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


(Poor english) Please, you must notify the uploader with {{subst:Please link images|Image:Heidelberg by whobee.jpg}} ~~~~ --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My bot tags between 3000-5000 files a day as {{uncategorized}}. Tagging all the talk pages would create a flood of messages (spam). Multichill (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I think that you can be blocked

(Español, because poor english)

Por favor, sea usted cordial y responda para la próxima vez también en mi página de usuario. ¿Tan poco respeto le merecen los demás que, además de no avisarlos de que sus imágenes pueden ser borradas, no está usted dispuesto a dirigirse a ellos debidamente?.

Si usted vuelve a marcar otra imagen mía, como ha hecho aquí y como ha hecho con 50 o 60 de las aproximadamente 3000 o 4000 imágenes que he subido, procederé a solicitar que su bot sea bloqueado. Un cordial saludo--Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 17:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lmbuga, i asked one of the Spanish speaking admins to leave you a note because this looks like a clear case of miscommunication. Uncategorized is not deletion btw. Multichill (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
And just because someone uploads something doesn't mean it's there job to categorize. This is a wiki; it's everyone's job. Anyway, many people use upload bots and sending them messages is simply a waste of resources. Rocket000(talk) 04:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Filter asked..

Redirect clean-up bot

Could you advance the schedule the Commons:Bots/Requests for flags/Category redirect bot as discussed at the end of the request ? Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Multichill, I wanted to point out to you my comment on the category redirect discussion. I am hoping to replace your with my own implementation that is localizable to run on any wiki, not just Commons. I wanted to alert you to this before doing it; no offense intended, but it happens that we each developed our own implementation without knowing what the other was doing. --R'n'B (talk) 16:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, was just a quick write after a request here, just steal the good things from my code ;-) (it's in the pywikipedia package). Multichill (talk) 16:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Category blacklist entries

Thanks. BTW, how's that query going? Rocket000(talk) 04:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That's a lot more than I thought. The Commons namespace is so messy. Rocket000(talk) 19:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Araldiz Manno

Your bot is updating all the images like Araldiz Manno 999 and inserts the template Check categories whitout any reason, because of the images are already categorized into the category Dizionario araldico. Can you erase this wrong template ? Thanks Massimop (talk) 20:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You know, you can "erase" it too. Rocket000(talk) 01:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
The image was probably still tagged with {{Uncategorized}} or in one of the country categories. Could you link to an edit of my bot or the image you're talking about? Thank you, Multichill (talk) 17:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

categories in Media:Cooking lobster in lumbridge.PNG

this is a game where is the category (im new) --Sistemx (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

im the uploader --Sistemx (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunatly the image is derivative work. Multichill (talk) 17:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Incorrectly tagging images with "categorization needed"

The bot seems to tag images that don't have a category but are linked from an article page. For example: It tags all images from Thomas Reiter. There is no category for Thomas Reiter and we don't need one as we already have the article page, and I don't want all those pictures to redundantly clutter the German astronauts page! --startaq (talk) 07:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation by pages is not an automatic process, and that's why categories are needed; the redundancy is in the pages, not in the categories. Havang(nl) (talk) 09:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Galleries dont replace categories. Please see commons:Categories. Multichill (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Hard redirects not converted

You may want to do another run. [3] Rocket000(talk) 00:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that the bot did not convert categories that redirect to galleries or the ones with syntax errors; the strange ones seem to be put in the User:Multichill/Zandbak list. The bot has to leave a little work for us ;). The cleaning is not always as simple as you would think. --Foroa (talk) 00:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that's the list of exceptions. Needs some human checking, Multichill (talk) 18:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The page Tirol is in the Category:Tyrol (state), there is also a Category:Tyrol redirected to Category:Tyrol (state). That is why I changed Category:Tirol-redirect->Tirol into Category:Tirol-redirect->Category:Tyrol (state). Is this oké? Havang(nl) (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Categories should only redirect to categories, so the edit is good. I changed the hard redirect into a soft redirect. Multichill (talk) 19:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


Zie hier. Wutsje (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)