User talk:MichaelMaggs/Archive/2019

Quality Image Promotion

Your image has been reviewed and promoted Congratulations! Nursery school, Higashi Honganji, Kyoto.jpg, which was produced by you, was reviewed and has now been promoted to Quality Image status. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Quality images candidates. We also invite you to take part in the categorization of recently promoted quality images. Comments Cute and good quality. -- Ikan Kekek 10:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

--QICbot (talk) 05:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 November or Thursday, 10 November 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Image on Shutterstock

Your image File:Oweston sting fish for sale at Tsukiji Fishmarket, Tokyo-30.jpg is being sold by Andrew Marwan on Shutterstock. See also Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Theft by a Commons user. -- Colin (talk) 10:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks Colin. I have filed a DMCA takedown notice with them. MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Copyright tags for BL project

Further to our discussion on the copyright board, I have created a working page to work up the right copyright notices for the various different cases for the BL release. (User:Jheald/BLproject).

Your thoughts would be very useful. Jheald (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Jheald, I'm so sorry for the delay, but for almost the last week I've had a rather nasty bug with constant coughing and vomiting, and in the last few days I've been confined to bed. I haven't had much opportunity to advance the templates yet, but I haven't forgotten and once I get back to a state of health where my mind is able to deal with historic copyright legislation (!), I will get back to it. Apologies once again. MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Jheald Feeling better, but will be away this week. Hope and expect to make progress next week. MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Get yourself properly well! All seems to be quiet from the BL end at the moment, so we have as much time as we need I think. Jheald (talk) 12:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - development update, March 2019

This text is also posted on the Structured Data hub talk page. You can reply there with questions, comments, or concerns.

A development update for the current work by the Structured Data on Commons team:

After the release of multilingual file captions, work began on getting depicts and other statements ready for release. These were originally scheduled for release in February and into March, however there are currently two major blockers to finishing this work (T215642, T217157). We will know more next week about when depicts and statements can likely be ready for testing and then release; until then I've tentatively updated the release schedule.

Once the depicts feature is ready for testing, it will take place in two stages on TestCommons. The first is checking the very basics; is the design comfortable, how does the simple workflow of adding/editing/removing statements work, and building up help and process pages from there. The second part is a more detailed test of depicts and other statements, checking the edge-case examples of using the features, bugs that did not come up during simple testing, etc. Additionally we'll be looking with the community for bugs in interaction with bots, gadgets, and other scripts once the features are live on Commons. Please let me know if you're interesting in helping test and fix these bugs if they show up upon release, it is really hard to find them in a test environment or, in some cases, bugs won't show up in a testing environment at all.

One new thing is definitely coming within the next few weeks, pending testing: the ability to search for captions. This is done using the inlabel keyword in search strings, and will be the first step in helping users find content that is specifically structured data. I'll post a notice when that feature is live and ready for use.

Thanks, let me know if you have questions about these plans. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - early depicts testing

The Structured Data on Commons development team has the very basic version of depicts statements available for early testing on Test-Commons. You can add very basic depicts statements to the file page by going into the new “Structured Data” tab located below the "Open in Media Viewer button." You can use the Latest Files link in the left side nav bar to select existing images, or use the UploadWizard to upload new ones to test with (although those images won’t actually show up on the site). The test site is not a fully functional replica of Commons, so there may be some overall problems in using the site, but you should be able to get a general idea of what using the feature is like.

Early next week I will call for broad, community-wide testing of the feature similar to what we did for Captions, with instructions for testing, known bugs, and a dedicated space to discuss the feature as well as a simple help page for using statements. Until then, you're welcome to post on the SDC talk page with what you might find while testing depicts.

Thanks in advance for trying it out, you'll be hearing more from me next week. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - testing qualifiers for depicts

As you might have seen, testing is underway for adding qualifiers to depicts statements. If you have not left feedback already, the Structured Data on Commons development team is very interested in hearing about your experience using qualifiers on the file page and in the UploadWizard. To get started you can visit Test-Commons and chose a random file to test out, or upload your own file to try out the UploadWizard. Questions, comments, and concerns can be left on the Structured data talk page and the team will address them as best as they can. Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Photo walk in Stockholm

It's only a few weeks until Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. I'd like to invite you to the Commons Photographer's photo walk. If you're planning on going to Stockholm in August, please consider joining this event. This is an opportunity to connect with other photographers, have fun together, and explore the beauty of an iconic Scandinavian city… All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 03:44, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons - IRC office hours this week, 18 July

The Structured Data team is hosting an IRC office hour this week on Thursday, 18 July, from 17:00-18:00 UTC. Joining information as well as date and time conversion is available on Meta. Potential topics for discussion are the testing of "other statements", properties that may need to be created for Commons on Wikidata soon, plans for the rest of SDC development, or whatever you might want to discuss. The development team looks forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - testing other statements

You can now test using other statements for structured data on the file page on Test-Commons. Some datatypes are not yet available, such a coordinates, but further support will be extended soon. You can find more information about testing on the SDC talk page. The team looks forward to your feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Michael, I just wanted to say thank you for your photograph of the Lias Cliffs at Lyme Regis. It was very helpful for illustrating the concept of stratification, and I use it for this in my doctoral thesis. Of course I am crediting you properly. All the best! --Geowissenschaftlerin (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Glad it was useful. MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

WLM Channel Islands ?

Hi,

By any chance, is Jersey (and Guernsey) included in WLM? (I know that the British Crown dependencies are technically not in UK but still, I feel like you're probably the best person to deal with it). More pragmatically, I'm asking for File:Chateau d’Elizabeth à Jersey.jpg who was by mistake uploaded in WLM-fr.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

VIGNERON, I'm afraid not, as the 'UK' database at present only includes the official listings of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. But that's just a practical rather than a political decision, and it would make a lot of sense if next year we could include the Channel Island listings (as well as the Isle of Man). If they can't be fitted into the scope of the 'UK' contest, where else would they go? I'll make a note to suggest adding them for next time. Thanks for the suggestion. MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

For your question, Jersey, Guernsey and Man can participate as their own country, with their own campaign (others "countries" do more or less the same, the Basque Country for instance does it for a long time, we even had Antarctica in 2013 and 2016) and still be managed by the UK team. It's maybe not to late to do a symbolic participation this year (without prizes) or indeed it can wait until next year, either way I can help a bit if needed (and BTW, I remember their was representatives from Jersey at the Celtic Knot Conference this year). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, of course, any or all could run a campaign of their own, but that's quite a bit of work and I had in mind that if local Wikimedians so wanted, we would perhaps bring them into the UK contest next time, just for convenience. Don't think it would be feasible to do that this year, though, as there would be a lot of details to sort out and agree on. Obviously we wouldn't want to 'take over' anyone's monuments without their agreement. MichaelMaggs (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, you're right (especially as en:Listed buildings in Jersey is far from complete), next year then (please remind me, I'm interrested to help). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 06:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019: it's Wiki Loves Monuments time again!

Hi

You're receiving this message because you've previously contributed to the annual Wiki Loves Monuments contest in Ireland. We'd be delighted if you would enter again this year, and continue to build on the image archive of Ireland's built heritage.

You can find more details at the Wiki Loves Monuments Ireland website. If you have images taken in other countries, you can check the international options. Once again, this year's contest runs until 30 September 2019.

Thanks again for your help and enthusiasm! Smirkybec (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - computer-aided tagging

The development team is starting work on one of the last planned features for SDC v1.0, a lightweight tool to suggest depicts tags for images. I've published a project page for it, please have a look. I plan to share this page with everyone on Commons much more broadly in the coming days. The tool has been carefully designed to try to not increase any workload on Commons volunteers; for starters, it will be opt-in for auto-confirmed users only and will not generate any sort of backlog here on Commons. Additionally, the tool is highly privacy-minded for the contributors and publicly-minded for the third party being used, in this case Google. The implementation and usage notes contain more information about these and other potential concerns as a starting place. It's really important that the tool is implemented properly from the start, so feedback is welcome. Questions, comments, concerns are welcome on the talk page and I will get answers as quickly as possible as things come up. On the talk page you can also sign up to make sure you're a part of the feedback for designs and prototype testing. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing to Wiki Loves Monuments UK 2019!

Hi

Thank you so much for contributing to the UK section of this year's Wiki Loves Monuments contest, which finished yesterday. We really do appreciate the time and effort you've put in to record the UK's built cultural heritage for future generations.

Your contribution has been been added to our collections here on Wikimedia Commons, and is already available for editors to make use of on Wikipedia and elsewhere. It has also been entered into this year's contest. If you'd like to see your own images, just click on the uploads link at the top right of this page (if you don't see it, click on the Log in option first).

We've received over 10,000 UK entries this year, and it will take a few weeks for our volunteers and professional judges to decide on the final top 10. The winners will be announced by the end of this month, both here on Wikimedia Commons and also on the competition website.

The top 10 UK images will go forward to the international section where they will compete against winners from some 50 other countries. The international winners should be announced here in December.

Don't forget, by the way, that if you're hoping to win a prize in the contest it's essential that you have enabled email in your Wikimedia preferences. If you haven't, you're not eligible to win. If you're unsure, please check here.

Once again, many thanks for your help! MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - modeling data

As you may have seen, there are community discussions underway on how to best model structured data on Commons.

Direct links to pages created so far:

• Date (talk)
• Source (talk)
• Author (talk)
• Copyright (talk)
• Licensing (talk)
• Location (talk)
• Quality (talk)

Please visit and participate in topics you might be interested in when you get some time. Thanks. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - computer-aided tagging designs

I've published a design consultation for the computer-aided tagging tool. Please look over the page and participate on the talk page. If you haven't read over the project page, it might be helpful to do so first. The tool will hopefully be ready by the end of this month (October 2019), so timely feedback is important. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Important message for file movers

A community discussion has been closed where the consensus was to grant all file movers the suppressredirect user right. This will allow file movers to not leave behind a redirect when moving files and instead automatically have the original file name deleted. Policy never requires you to suppress the redirect, suppression of redirects is entirely optional.

Possible acceptable uses of this ability:

• To move recently uploaded files with an obvious error in the file name where that error would not be a reasonable redirect. For example: moving "Sheep in a tree.jpg" to "Squirrel in a tree.jpg" when the image does in fact depict a squirrel.
• To perform file name swaps.
• When the original file name contains vandalism. (File renaming criterion #5)

Please note, this ability should be used only in certain circumstances and only if you are absolutely sure that it is not going to break the display of the file on any project. Redirects should never be suppressed if the file is in use on any project. When in doubt, leave a redirect. If you forget to suppress the redirect in case of file name vandalism or you are not fully certain if the original file name is actually vandalism, leave a redirect and tag the redirect for speedy deletion per G2.

The malicious or reckless breaking of file links via the suppressredirect user right is considered an abuse of the file mover right and is grounds for immediate revocation of that right. This message serves as both a notice that you have this right and as an official warning. Questions regarding this right should be directed to administrators. --Majora (talk) 21:36, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2020

Hi Michael, good to see the new pictures - and thanks for your recent update on the WLMUK competition.. I would have made these comments at the WLMUK web site but its closed for the off season. I'm hoping that you might pass these points to the WLMUK organisers. My points are :

1. The Northern Ireland competition has rejected all entries again as being insufficient in quality/quantity. (I booked my holidays the year before last to Northern Ireland so I remember the frustration of spending hours loading pictures to a WLMUK web site to find out the competition was later cancelled). Surely it is just playing with NI to advertise in 2020 that WLM might AGAIN take in entries and then might reject them all for a third time. IMO the "best" is the "best" even if there is only one entry, but can I suggest that WLMUK abolish the NI section if there is a good chance that it will again be considered too small to matter. The decision to cancel always seems so arbitrary and I can't remember receiving an apology by the organisers for organising a competition that failed to meet their own requirements..... and now they have done it twice. The WLMUK web site just says "cancelled" surely it should say "sorry"..... and how it will be fixed next year.

1. (minor point) WLM has for some time claimed to be the biggest photo competition. I think WLM might have to reconsider its claim. I have submitted 250,000 free to use pictures this year to the mapping site "Mapillary" - and I rarely get into the top 3 for most entries each month for the UK. Their "competition" runs all year and takes in pictures from ANY country (including NI :-)). Obviously the 10,000 WLM monument pictures are, I guess, on average of better quality, but in terms of quantity and in terms of tagged content then the competition is beginning to overtake. The WLM may have to include some weasel words in its claim to be the biggest photo contest next year.

Hope someone finds these comments constructive. Best Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 11:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Victuallers: Hi Roger, many thanks for your feedback. The timing is good, as I am just about to prepare a detailed report on this year's contest, from my volunteer’s perspective, and I will happily pass on your comments and ask for them to be taken into account for next year.

On your first point, it's not quite accurate to say that any part of the contest was "cancelled". It has been a long-standing rule that prizes are awarded only if there are a good number of entries (more than 1000) in each country/region, a rule that's been set out on the competition website, here, for some years. There is always something of a conflict between the two separate aims of this contest: (1) to collect useful images for Wikimedia, and (2) to encourage and celebrate high-quality photography of our historic environment. While giving an award to the best image from a small field might encourage the first aim, it could easily compromise the second. Maintaining the contest's prestige is important if we want to attract entries from the relatively small number of professional-quality photographers who are prepared to release their top images under a free licence. It's for that reason that this year the judges decided to grant only eight top UK awards out of a possible 10. Would love more entries from NI, but unfortunately we don't seem to have much reach there.

You may well be right on your second point. I suspect that the organisers may simply be repeating a statement that was true some years ago but that may or may not be accurate today, especially as the annual totals are decreasing. I don't know whether it's true, but I was told this year about some Chinese contest that allegedly has a considerably higher number of annual entries. MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Michael, thank you. Given your summary then I would suggest that the NI total for next year should be reduced considerably or the contest should be cancelled. There is now ample evidence that the NI contest is just wasting people's time. There is not much chance I suggest that many are going to enter it next year if they tried it out last year or the year before. It may not have been "cancelled" by the organisers but from the entrants point of view that is the best interpretation of the feedback from 2 years. The other conclusion is that all the entries for two whole years were of too low a quality.... which you hint at. Not a great message to encourage new entrants. cheers Roger

The famous ecclesiastical site at Devenish Island unfortunately does not appear to be eligible for WLM in Northern Ireland as it is not a listed building in Northern Ireland. It is, however, included as protected monument in the SMR as FER 211:021 under state care.

Hi MichaelMaggs, I would like to second the comments by Roger regarding Northern Ireland. Given that there were just 1,103 WLM submissions for the Republic of Ireland, it appears unlikely that we will get more than thousand submissions for Northern Ireland. There are many countries with less than thousand submissions who found themselves able to select 10 winning photos. Examples: Albania: 110, Algeria: 473, Australia: 376, Croatia: 551, or Malta: 139. I think that a selection even from a small set of submissions can be helpful in encouraging submissions in subsequent contests. There is always the option to recognize entries which are not included in the final international contest. In case of Germany, 100 submissions are selected of which the first ten are included in the finalists at Wiki Loves Monuments 2019 winners. Italy has so far selected 131 entries. Next point is that the rules for WLM in Northern Ireland just include listed buildings of grade A, B+ or B. The more than 16,000 sites of the Sites and Monuments Record of Northern Ireland are, however, not included. This severely limits the scope of the WLM competition and consequently the number of submissions. Famous archaeological sites like Devenish Island are excluded from this contest. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

AFBorchert: Thanks, I'll pass on your comments as well. I wasn't aware that records from the Sites and Monuments Record of Northern Ireland are not on Wikidata, or at least are not being picked up by the WLM mapping software, and that definitely sounds like something that needs to be dealt with for next year. MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride Jury

Hello @MichaelMaggs:

I am Rupika Sharma, co-cordinator for Wiki Loves Pride 2019 commons contest along with User:Pharos. We are nearing the end of the post contest work and we are looking jury members who are interested in being part of the core jury for this contest and are available from 1-10th December for this work. I have been suggested by User:Fae to get in touch with you for this role. Would you be interested/are available during this timeline for the Jury work. Looking forward to hear from you! Regards Wikilover90 (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Rupika, yes I should be able to help. Can you fill me in with details by email? MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in Wiki Loves Monuments 2019! Please help with this survey.

 

Wiki Loves Monuments logo

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Dear MichaelMaggs/Archive,

Thank you for contributing to Wiki Loves Monuments 2019, and for sharing your pictures with the whole world! We would like to ask again a few minutes of your time. Thanks to the participation of people like you, the contest gathered more than 210K+ pictures of cultural heritage objects from more than 40 countries around the world.

You can find all your pictures in your upload log, and are of course very welcome to keep uploading images and help develop Wikimedia Commons, even though you will not be able to win more prizes (just yet). If you'd like to start editing relevant Wikipedia articles and share your knowledge with other people, please go to the Wikipedia Welcome page for more information, guidance, and help.

To make future contests even more successful than this year, we would like to invite you to share your experiences with us in a short survey. Please fill in this short survey, and help us learn what you liked and didn't like about Wiki Loves Monuments 2019.

Kind regards,
the Wiki Loves Monuments team MediaWiki message delivery 12:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Its tough

Hi Michael, I've bee trying, in vain, and probably not always using the correct channels, to add contents to wikicommons over the last couple of years (on and mostly off). A group of admins have bee adamant at keeping user:Lycaon blocked, necessitating the creation of new accounts to get my scientific images on commons. I'm getting tired of this. Could you help/mediate. Thanks. LastestAttempt (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2019 (UTC) (Hans H.)

(talk page stalker) Admitting to using sockpuppet accounts to avoid your block, which was for, er, sockpuppetry, is IMO unlikely to get you unblocked, but the correct venue for an unblock request is User talk:Lycaon. Rodhullandemu (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It's a catch 22 isn't-it? Lycaon 10:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)