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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful informations about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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Zusammenfassung[edit]

Hallo 1-1111,

hättest du bitte die große Güte, beim Editieren regelmäßig die Zusammenfassungszeile mit einem sinnvollen Inhalt zu füllen. Wie ich gerade in meiner Beobachtungsliste feststelle hast du hier wie auch an anderen Stellen diese freigelassen. Du würdest nicht nur mir sondern auch deinen weiteren Kolleginnen und Kollegen hier auf den commons die Arbeit damit wesentlich erleichtern.

Danke für dein Verständnis, --ludger1961 (talk) 23:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Gerne. Wie zu recherchieren[1], wurde lediglich eine Kategorie nachgetragen. Ich kann die Zusammenfassungszeile bedienen. Ist allerdings keine muss-Bestimmung. Zusammenfassungen nur noch bei größeren Eingriffen und/oder grob falschem. Wie verhälst du dich bei nicht zur Änderung konformer Zusammenfassung? --1-1111 (talk) 11:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Gas furnaces[edit]

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Killiondude (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

City Walls[edit]

Ich bitte dich darum, solche Bearbeitungen nicht mehr durchzuführen. Im Fall Mecklenburg-Vorpommern wurde sich mal darauf geeinigt, nicht Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania zu verwenden, u.a. ist auch der Artikel in der englischsprachigen Wikipedia unter en:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern zu finden. Und dann sind auch Kategorien für ein Bild nicht sinnvoll. Gruß Niteshift (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Es ist immer wieder erfrischend, das nicht mehr ersichtliche Abstimmungen einer Minderheit definitiv falsche englische Schreibweisen nicht immer deutsche Landstriche festnageln wollen. Demnach ist ebenso Northrhine-Westphalia, Thuringia, Lower-Saxony usw. falsch. Bevor irgendetwas rückgängig gemacht wird, stelle zunächst das richtig. Danke. Bis dahin bleibt der englische Begriff Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania richtig. Beleg: Übersetzung von Mecklenburg-Vorpommern in Leo. Das Bessere war jedoch schon immer natürlicher Feind des Guten, daran ändern Abstimmungen nichts. --1-1111 (talk) 12:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
User:Leit und User:Niteshift sind definitiv übereifrig. Offenbar darf nicht sein, was nicht sein kann. Bedauerlich. Für die beiden. Oder gar ein und derselbe? Niemand -außer den beiden natürlich- darf eine Pause von nicht einmal 24 Stunden einlegen, sonst wird ohne abwarten einer Diskussion gelöscht? Zur Erinnerung: Das hier ist kein Online-Chat.--1-1111 (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Du hast schon ein ziemliches Chaos hinterlassen, u.a. eine leere und verwaiste Kategorie-Diskussion kategoriesiert, Kategorien für ein Bild angelegt, doppelt mit [[Category:[[Category:...]]]] kategorisiert, parallele Kategorien zu schon vorhandenen angelegt usw. Das braucht man nun nicht ins rechte Licht zu rücken versuchen. Das mit dem Sockenpuppenverdacht ist haltlos, einen öffentlich einsehbaren Hinweis hat aber gegeben. -- Niteshift (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Nicht vom Thema ablenken. Was passiert nach der Logik mit den definitiv falschen Kategorien, die Northrhine-Westphalia, Thuringia, Lower-Saxony, Bavaria beinhalten? Inkonsequent. Bitte um Beleg der Abstimmung über Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Danke. --1-1111 (talk) 20:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Hot bulb engines[edit]

What's happening with Category:Hot bulb engines? Seems like a good idea for a category 8-) Andy Dingley (talk) 13:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Nothing special. The content has been transfered to Category:Hot-bulb engines. --1-1111 (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
ARGH. Category:Hot bulb engines is right. Ok, I switch it back. ----1-1111 (talk) 13:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah, haven't we all been down that one before! First thing to do is to STOP - we're not in a rush here. Then check your refs. Find the oldest you've got, check there isn't any other wiki precedent to dispute it, then create the "right" one and add a formatted reference to it for why it's right. Some muppet will inevitably be along later to change it, probably because of the 2003 garage band album of the same name, but different punctuation. Best to be prepared...
It's good to tag the dead category with a move or redirect though, rather than just leaving it empty. If you do this with the right tag, there are actually bots running that will auto-move all the content for you - just don't do what British steam locomotives has just done though and merge multiples into one, as it's a right pain to get them back again afterwards. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuse[edit]

Thanks for the additional information on my fuse photograph. ;)
DeltaFalcon talk 18:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Hydraulical connectors[edit]

What was wrong with Category:Hydraulic connectors, rather than this bizarre neologism? Andy Dingley (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Right. The bizarre neologism. Nothing else. --1-1111 (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Categorising[edit]

Although you do a good job by categorising, I see that you overcategorise in many cases. Please be so kind to read the instructions again. I think that it is not correct to categorise plugs, sockets AND connectors on the same pictures.

I assume you already found out that I did about a year ago also a job on the electrical materials and grouped these in majority as they are grouped now. So be not supprised when I recategorise items to stay in line with the philisophy I used. However: it is of course always open for discussion and contact me immediately if you disagree with my action. I definately don't want to have an edit-war. --Stunteltje (talk) 08:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for recategorizing. I agree with your point of view. --1-1111 (talk) 08:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
But now i have a problem by naming swiss standards in Category:Standards by country, e.g. SEV 1011. Standards of swiss might be wrong. Suggestions? --1-1111 (talk) 09:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
On the ship-categories we have Category:Ships of Switzerland, so my suggestion is Category:Standards of Switzerland. --Stunteltje (talk) 10:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Great. Been there, done that. Thanks a lot. --1-1111 (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Mains socket[edit]

At File:Bon Marche interior column capital 02.jpg you removed Category:Mains sockets. Do you have a different category for the electrical socket oddly worked into that capital? - Jmabel ! talk 19:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Category:NEMA 5–20R; better than Category:Mains sockets, I hadn't found that one. - Jmabel ! talk 18:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Drilling machines (machine tools) vs. Category:Drill presses[edit]

What about drilling machines that aren't drill presses: radial arm drills, jig borers, magnetic clamp drills? Andy Dingley (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

They need to be transferred to sub-categories of Drills... --1-1111 (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

File:Electronic ballast for G23.JPG[edit]

Dangerous breadboard construction. Under no circumstances do this at home!

Why categories Category:Improper electric appliances and Category:Dangerous goods were added? It is absolutely safety and proper wiring for educational purpose for wikipedia users, and as you can see, absolutely nobody touch metal (conductive) parts. It's for first.

For second, good electronic will work under voltage, cause it is his confidence indicator. If wiring in this picture is really improper, light bulb woldn't work at all. As you can see, it's shining bright. For example, I have no possibility to turn off electricity in apartment blocks during replacing old USSR switches (cause it is need to switch off all district), I just put electrical tape onto phase wire in strip part and work in distribution board after phase wires (from source side) insulation.

So, don't mix up improper wiring and dangerous electrical appliences with educational samples. Dmitry G (talk) 13:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The shown item is not suitable for public use, even not for academic purposes. Perhaps in your country nobody cares, but in the rest of the world electric distribution have to be SWITCHED OFF while working on it. Everything against this rule is careless practice. If power-off in not possible, this work has to be done by skilled electicians with personell safety devices ONLY. So, mentioned precautions within the picture would be better. Besides, there is NO cover against accidentally touches to the non-protected Inverter nor the leads in the socket are properly secured. In Commons it is common practice to show only safe devices. To this picture, a clear-transparent housing around the inverter, suitable plugs, luster terminals and an insulating transformer (File:Trenntransformator.jpg) would be best. Because this is not shown, it belongs definitely to Category:Improper electric appliances--1-1111 (talk) 18:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Aren't you making joke? In fact, absolutely nobody spend time (and/or money) to find and buy transparent case. And why it is need transparent case, if this bulb was switched on for ~40-50 seconds to take picture for commons?
And I'll tell you some real fact about my country - univeresties just telling theory (which is not always understandable for students) without any practise. After 5 years studing, young graduated specialist know absolutely nothing and old experienced specialists usually laugh at young specialists. I think, you uderstand, ho do they do their work, if old specialist just laughing at young people.
So, I work as volunteer in my country, showing practise part for young people. Now I show it Commons, to be more understandable, than lot of dry theory. If you say "skill specialists" or really see them in my country.
Let's live real life - less, than 1% of specialists spend thier money/time to transparent case. Not of their low qualification, but just for saving money/time. There is no any sense to put it into transparent cover for just taking photo for academical purposes.
And this photo purpose was other - to show G23 light bulb working with old ballast, but you've made other - to show "danger device". Dissasemble some Chinese G23 lamp and you'll see the same way of wiring. But inside non-transparent cover.
In fact, I hadn't any thought about case (not to selling device for other people, but just to show on Commons) till you discovered this America for me :))))) Dmitry G (talk) 19:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Nothing against the demonstration that an G23 light bulb is working with an common chinese electronic ballast from a energy-efficient lamp. Every suitable fluorescent tube will do, too. But be strong and be above such things as the self-proclaimed old experienced specialists who had the luck to work in the olden days. But PLEASE teach your young people also the respectfulness against electricity. You will agree to me, this attempt can not be seen in your picture. Ok, you teach to save money but unfortunately not to use common sense. With the included risk of electric injuries. It's true: prevention costs money. But in the long term is saves money due to minimized risk of injuries. May be not today nor tomorrow. But probably in several years. The risk of electicity cannot be seen, heard, or smelt. This is a fact. To save money is ok TO YOU ONLY as the originator. But it is not a good idea to share this point of view by posing pictures of these dangerous-cheap appliances all over the world. If somebody else is injured due to dangerous appliances the originator of this dangerous appliance is to be 100% liable because he ignored relevant safety regulations. Even in Russia: GOST regulations are still valid. And think about: a picture shows a dangerous item for much longer than the 50 seconds to take it. An old an wise told me once: If something cost nothing, it is to be no good. This is still true. Even in these days. Niggardliness is definitely not cool. --1-1111 (talk) 20:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
No-one is suggesting that hazardous breadboards shouldn't be constructed when necessary. However the naive reader ought to be warned against this, hence the categorization. It's not as if the image was tagged for deletion.
Besides, an exposed breadboard is one thing, and reasonable lab behaviour around competent people. However stuffing bare wires into a socket is just shoddy. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 1) For the first, there are no transparent cover in store in my city and in country. Even when I went to neighbour Stockholm, I haven't seen any transparent cover in Clas Ohlson shop. Or maybe, I should born transparent cover if there are no it in store???
  • 2) As I was alone at room and holding my camera to take picture, so absolutely nobody could get electric shock.
  • 3) Maybe, in rich countries, like Germany, Sweden, Norway, USA and etc, people taking care about high safety. But people from ex-USSR countries think about their safety rare. Maybe it's offensive for you, but it is real fact.
The same is about laboratories - more, than 50% scientist from all over the world not following safety rules cause it takes too much time (and sometimes superfluous cost). Offensive, but real fact. Cause lot of them prefer make their job more quick.
  • 4) If you think, that education in my country is perfect, you're wrong. Old specialists are working, but young graduated people just staing in corner and watching how do old people work or break factory's property. After 2 week of such work, they go to work to kiosks or shops or McDonalds (if their parents have no blat at that factory). But some of them ask me help. Why? Cause I can explain.
The same with this picture - if I put this ballast into non-conductive plastic box and hide all electrical contacts - nobody will understand meaning of this photo, seeing plastic box and 6 wires.
That is why I ask you don't mix up educational samples with improper wiring. Dmitry G (talk) 08:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Searching one wiring diagram for my own purposes in the Russian electronic forums, I've found those pictures:
Comparing my experiments with those photograps, I'm just little boy with Chinese ballasts from old compact fluorescence lamps connecting them to classic fluorescent tubes. Also, you can see hundred videos on youtube, where wiring ways are more dangerous, than my.
As you can see, we have something common - we are not touching metal part during those device working and absolutely nothing wrong were with us ;) Thanks for reading. Dmitry G (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Maybe we won't. But others will do. I don't care for other internetsites showing somehow improper electrical appliances or breadboards. But wikipedia commons as a reference to all other wikis should show only proof appliances and even breadboards. If evidently not, these medias should be categorized clearly and unambiguous. And hey: Your breadboard needs only a (used) connecting cable with suitable plug from an defect or broken device (Radio, TV-set, ...), a luster terminal and a simple plastic housing to prevent touching by mistake. Be honest: touching by mistake has happend to you not only once. Even a used plastic food container or plasic bag is better than nothing but not best. Even in Estonia these things should be available for no money and no need for extensive search. --1-1111 (talk) 14:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 1)You put attention to safety, but I put attention to be understandable as it possible. That is the reason of our dispute. If I put ballast into junction box or other box, nobody will understand, what is inside. But if nobody understand - what for do this experiment. If something is not understandable, it's explaining lose any sense and becomes absolutely useless.

Dmitry G (talk

The better is the enemy by nature to the already good. Combine perspicaciousness with safety aspects. This will show best educational skills. --1-1111 (talk) 06:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I've found transparent case from French candies... Will see, how successful it would be.Dmitry G (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 2)Second, as I showed photos, more than 50% make their experiments without covers or other "safety tools". Fact is fact. Dmitry G (talk
May be. Due to the obvious lack of safety, therefore reputation purposes and possible legal problems it is avoided to release such photos to the public. --1-1111 (talk) 06:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
In rich USA some people walk with guns and shoot at people - it is not safe; in India people touch snakes - it's extreme danger. Even breathing in cities is not safe; but as you can see, nobody goes from home to near supermarket in gas mask to buy food :)))))) And nobody sleep in gas masks due to air pollution Dmitry G (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 3)How much times I touched metal parts by mistake? As I remember, it happened often when I was 13. At those age I wasn't interested at smoking cannabis or using other drugs; electricity had attracted me more, than alcohol or drugs. But my parents were against my dangerous hobby. In Germany schoolboys go to study to school, but in Estonia they go to smoke cannabis at the toilet or to kick each other faces and go with hematomas at their faces 2 or 3 weeks. Sometimes to speak with their teachers rude. After USSR fail and democracy restoration, kids really feel themself democratic and free.
But my interests were some other, than crowd of coevals. As I developed one my main interest, I'd got result on it and even this result became to bring money for me and sometimes constant clients. Lot of my former classmates sit without work or some of them sit at prison (cause they wanted to solve their unemployment problems by thiefing or selling drugs), but I've absolutely legal work during crisis. And sometimes some people call me to come and help them to neighbourhood Stockholm. Dmitry G (talk
What makes you shure in other counties things are better than in yours? Money makes not happy - but it will pacify. Even good educated people with lot of practical experiances have been made redundant.--1-1111 (talk) 06:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Cause visiting neighbour countries I see, how good they live. In my country you can only see how ministers buy expensive cars for themself and build magnificent houses for themself. Also, if I go to the shop, nobody sell me their goods for free.
But during my childhood I've saved money by dinners at school on weekdays, so at weekends I had normal amount of money to buy equipment for my experiments at electrical shops and continue activity with my dangerous hobby. Of course, I hid my activity from parents.
My interest took me work and legal money. But when I started this hobby at 13, of course I had lot of electrical shocks due to lack of knowledges and lack of experience. As the result, when I was 20 years old, my coevals worked as cleaners or newspapers sellers, but I've worked at serious projects with old employeers and nobody of them laughed at my bad work, as they laughed at my coevals. Cause, in their opinion, my work wasn't bad. Dmitry G (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 4)You've said me to use case like plastic bag and food container. But someone will write, that this bag is not certified, is not for electrical experiments and other list. It will make me laugh; but how to eplain, that "experiment" and "public using" are some different things??? (talk) 18:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey: Stay to the facts. Don't deviate. Better than nothing.--1-1111 (talk) 06:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not saying something bad about your suggestion with food container. But in future, someone can make remark for me, that transparent food container have no DVE, Semko and other electrical safety stamps. What shall I do in this case? I've found transparent container yesterday, originally there were French candies, but will look, how it will show itself. Dmitry G (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
  • 5)HMI ballast I'll built, as I think, to the next week and find out exact transistors. Seems to IRFP460, but I'll check it to be sure.
  • Thanks for attention Dmitry G (talk) 18:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, to screw the terminals in the water heater, person should have academic degree with engineer's qualification instead of having paper "Electrcian I" and each weak clamped screw in the luster terminals will cause the big fire with lot of death instead of plastic melting with cool smell. And of course casual touching of 400V will cause the death instead of strong pinch. And working near stripped area, person will obviously touch it. So, follow your authorities recomendations, they will obviously give you clever councils. Especially about panic seeing something is wrong. Dmitry G (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Fale - Spain - Barcelona - 71.jpg[edit]

Diss startet at [2]

Guess so... it's in Gaudì's home ;) Fale (talk) 12:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Antoni Gaudì?--1-1111 (talk) 07:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Switch 40A.JPG[edit]

Can I ask some questions? You tried to prove persistently, that is fuse/circuit breaker/resettable fuse, etc.

So, I want to know the nature of your way of thinking:

  • 1) Why interrupter has switch symbol???
  • 2) Assume, that is circuit breaker. Where is characteristic??? B, C, D, K, etc requires absolutely different wire gauge to the load and ground.
  • 3) Please explain, why D125 beats out, but UNKNOWN40 endurance 6250 Amperes??? Which characteristic applies to 157 nominal currents??? 50 nominal currents are enough at the big distribution substations.

Dmitry G (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

If this X40 has characteristic 157 In, it follows, that minimal copper wire gauge should be 951 mm² and potential uniting should be done by 3329 mm². Imagine how you will put 951 mm² to the terminal of this circuit breaker. Dmitry G (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

  1. Datasheet. The french brand Merlin Gerin is a subsidiary of the also french Schneider Electric. Avery interrupter is also a switch.
  2. File:Switch 40A.JPG is not a circuit breaker.
  3. ??
--1-1111 (talk) 21:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
1) Your own edits.
2) I know it. But ask, why you have put "circuit breaker"
3) If you write, that it is circuit breaker, and translate it to the all languages you can - what put you think, that is circuit breaker? Switch symbol and unknown characteristic - all proof saing, that it is load switch instead of circuit breaker. Dmitry G (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Very good answer. You call me to protect all ghost, spirits, witches, satans, etc. against casual touching open voltaged parts in my home (probably you haven't been in cities with metro); but gives here more danger advices. If someone think, that it is circuit breaker, there will come quite serious fire during first short circuit (as experience shows, there lot of danger devices with safety stamps you can find in home-applience shops). Also, if you'll have possibility to visit some city with metro - see more attentively station constructions. And think, what will be if someone falls there. Finally, make conclusion about it's safety and taking care about safety. Even in rich Stocholm metro station is missing automatics, which can turn electricity off if someone falls or which energizes the rails only when train existing in the station. But their safety board says, that everything is under their strict control and safe to use (brrrrr, it is one-way ticket to the heaven with painful traumas before death). Maybe, "German Electrotechics Union" also certify to use such tortue tables and everyone think, that it is safe to use? If you have such strong spotlight on safety. Dmitry G (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hello! According to your philosophy, 99% of appliences on sale are improper and should be banned for domestic use. Certifying policy of European countries provide only minimal protection against direct traumas, even manufacturer's warranty for appliences is limited only by few years. Your line of thinking could find applause in Soviet union (where low quality of products have been punished by law), but modern quasyliberal economy is based on cheating. Flooding washing machines, burning refrigerators, dangerously explosive filters in LCD television sets and others - all of them are allowed to selling, cause they satisfy only minimal requirements. Dmitry G (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? Do you really think, all the goods you meant are really made in the EC? The PRC ist the real worldwide manufacturer. Even for goods sold in the Soviet union. The average Chinese manufacturer do not take care to comply to any rule. Not from the Soviet union (Gost) nor the EC (VDE, IEC) or UL/CSA. Fact is: Many companies who have outsourced to the PRC have heavyly damaged their reputation due to faulty products with their Brandname on it. --1-1111 (talk) 21:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I mean, that those Chinese products have official permission to be sold in European Union. All west economy is built on this fraud. I've given an example, that USSR-built stove had 25 (twenty five) years of warranty period, but today law of many countries ascertain only 2 years of warranty to the products. Morally it is impermissible, but officially this situation is legal and allowed in all coutries. Dmitry G (talk) 08:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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