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cop car photo

Export hell seidel steiner.png

Here's a beer on me. Jeez Krinkle you move with dizzying speed. You had not only the photo tracked down but the page reworded to reflect the appropriate license, faster than I could click my mouse. So I'd like to treat you to a beer. ElijahBosley (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Face-smile.svgKrinkletalk 16:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Uploads by User:Leonard64

All the images that have warnings at User talk:Leonard64 can now be safely deleted. I've uploaded local copies to Wikibooks under our fair use policy. Unfortunately I was not able to get File:WebMonGSGInstall-screen07.png and File:WebMonGSGInstall-screen08.png. It was your deletion of those that made me aware of the situation where the user was not uploading fair use files to the proper location (and also needed to get local upload privileges at Wikibooks). Makes me wish CommonsTicker still worked so administrators like myself could take action ahead of time. I don't know how many people are aware, but the English Wikibooks changed the upload link to point straight to Commons and permissions to prohibit uploads except by administrators and those in the "uploaders" group for fair use files only. Adrignola (talk) 14:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

AWB Approval requests

G'day Krinkle, There are a couple of outstanding AWB requests at Commons talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage which doesn't appear to have been checked by an approver in the past couple of days. If you have time, could you stop by? Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 22:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. AusTerrapin (talk) 08:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for helping with that! --Magnus Manske (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Since it's been enabled sitewide I'll probably poke around a little more through time as I play with it. –Krinkletalk 18:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Aceh women

Hello Krinkle, I think you are missing a point. Aceh is at the same time the name of a region and of a people. In the latter case, it refers to a group, a language, a culture. So "Aceh women" is meant to distinguish the from "Minangkabau women", "Malay women", "Sundanese women" etc. There is no reason to change this, Humboldt (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Djoehana,
I understand there is a difference. However, I was merely keeping the current system consistant as, in my opinion, you are the one changing it, not me. By far, all categories so far have been created and maintained with the "X of Y" principe. See for example Category:Women of Sumatra and it's subcategories, and ofcourse the countries as a whole: Category:Women by country. That's been the system so far, and I see no reason to change this. I mean, is there a big difference between "German people" and "People from Germany" ? I think even if there is a theoratical difference, it's next to impossible to extract that information by looking at a picture. –Krinkletalk 14:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning old files Havang

Hallo, ik ben begonnen de Havang-files op te schonen. Ik merk dat de naamsverandering van Havang naar Havang(nl) ertoe leidde dat alle PD-self veranderden in PD-self|author=I, Havang, dus toch een sjabloon-effect. Om dat op te heffen, zouden én de regel |Author=[[User:Havang|Havang]] 14:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC) in |Auteur=[[User:Havang(nl)|Havang(nl)]] én de regel {{PD-self|author=I, Havang}} in {{PD-self}} veranderd moeten worden (zie edit-tekst). Kan dat door een bot, denk je? Ik heb al zo'n 150 handmatige cleaning gedaan, maar het zijn er nog vééél meer. VrGr, --Havang(nl) (talk) 11:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hoi Havang(nl),
(sorry voor de late reactie) Het is denk alles, of in ieder geval het meeste, door een bot te laten doen door de actie hier aan te vragen. –Krinkletalk 20:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi Krinkle, I just saw that you were working on mediawiki.utils.js. How about adding some code similar to Lupo's changes here to make addPortletLink work for ancient skins as well? (Or are there any plans to finally deactivated those?)--DieBuche (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The version I wrote in mw.util has changed in some ways, so won't import it as-is, but I'll ask around about the skins and wether support will be maintained. If so, I'll certainly build support for those! –Krinkletalk 18:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, from what I can see and heard in #mediawiki those skins will stay and also support (atleast non-breaking fallback) will be added for them in ResourceLoader aswell. in r75336 I added support for standard, cologneblue, nostalgia in mw.util.addPortletLink. It's pretty basic actually (those skins don't have any portlets) and it's basically the same like it was done in Common.js, except that I add it before #searchform instead of at the end of #footer in the nostalgia-skin. I believe it fits better there with the rest of the links. –Krinkletalk 19:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)



Hi there. I'm just curious what your edit summary meant. I've been uploading images here for 4 years this way without any problem. Is there a new way of doing things? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Rifleman 82,
As Commons is an international and multilingual project there are many techniques that help us into making the interface act like that. Some of those translations are done through templates such as {{Own}}. Therefor a source as "Self" is a bit undescriptive, certainly for non-English speakers. "Own work" is kind of the standard (but in no way mandatory or anything). However, see what happends now that I've put {{Own}} on your filepage when you view the page in Spanish click here. Many templates (including the labels of {{Information}}, and the contents of {{PD-chem}}) are translated. And also the "Own work" becuase it's using the {{Own}} now. The second change is the Author-field. Asuming your first name is not "Self" I think it's no more then logical for there to be your (nick)name. Using the special ownwork-Uploadform this is done automatically for you. –Krinkletalk 23:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Could you help me take a look at {{Cite journal}}? It does not seem to be displaying the authors. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. Is it possible to copy the en-wiki version of this template here? It will be quite desirable on the basis of workflow. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 00:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Everything is possible, but it's important to know that the Commons version is different and is being used the way it is. And seeing the source oode in's version it's not very similar as it has 9 paramters from first1 to last9. coauthor= is simply used as a semicolon-seperated list. I'll see next week if I can intergrate the version's parameter as an additional function though. –Krinkletalk 00:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it. I (and I suppose many authors) use CitationBot to populate these templates, and unless there is a good reason, having templates which work similarly across different wikiprojects are very helpful by reducing unnecessary work and repetitive work. Referencing the work we do is I suppose quite important, and a lower activation energy would make it more likely for editors to properly cite sources. I'm speculating, but this might even be able to be customized for each language? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 00:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks for your helpful message.--Oriel Volunteers (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Bot flag granted

See Commons:Bots/Requests/KrinkleBot ... sorry for the delay. ++Lar: t/c 01:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks –Krinkletalk 01:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)



About this, woudn't be better to change typeof oldEdittools !== 'undefined' to window.oldEdittools, since this is the way MediaWiki:Gadget-OldEdittools.js defines that variable? The typeof version makes oldEdittools=false equivalent to oldEdittools=true;, and this is not expected (I think). Helder 12:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Variable comparision and the like are global by the default, checking window won't change that. The point is, people without that Gadget enabled (most people) don't have that variable defined at all. I'll edit and check for both :-) I did indeed override the existing check but then again the original was vague if(oldEdittools) isn't very meaningful, better to do if(oldEdittools === true). I'll add the true-check and make it if(typeof oldEdittools !== 'undefined' && oldEdittools === true)Krinkletalk 16:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


Dear friend,

Thank you - most of my photos are of tours in Israel lead by professional guides, to interesting places. I am happy of the trust in me.


Yoav Dothan --Yoavd (talk) 06:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! –Krinkletalk 12:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for getting Template:TOCright to work! --Elvey (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Licensing tutorial

Hi Krinkle, and thank you for cleaning up the fonts in the licensing tutorial. I have a question regarding your last change: apparently you removed the spaces in bullet lists. Was that intended? I had added the spaces so the text would be aligned, and not it's not aligned any more. guillom 19:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Oops, check here. The summary speaks for itself. –Krinkletalk 23:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

More photos with the same issue

Hello Krinkle I noticed you deleted the image File:Isla de Uros Puno Perú.PNG I'm the person who nomitaed it for deletion, perhaps the dynamic ip has changed since then though, but the reason I write to you is because after that I noticed that several photos where taken from the same site with the same license issue and added the complete list here Commons:Deletion requests/File:Isla de Uros Puno Perú.PNG maybe I did it in the wrong way I'm not familiar with the procedure but perhaps you'd like to check all the photos over there. Thank you for your time, best regards 19:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The nomination looks fine to me. It will be dealt with mostly chronologically, so it may take a while but the nomination stands so the biggest work is done. Now it's just waiting.–Krinkletalk 20:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Image extracted

Hello Krinkle,

Can you see: Template talk:Image extracted. --Geagea (talk) 02:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Consensus required

Could you please make a consensus on this deletion review?

Myself and one other user have discussed the image, and we've both agreed on the consensus of an administrator. Editor182 (talk) 04:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion requests require no consensus and aren't a vote either. See Commons:Deletion requests for more info. There's 100s of requests waiting to be closed, I'll see if I can look into this one later today but I can't promise anything Face-smile.svg. –Krinkletalk 09:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

toolserver version for List of works

Hi Krinkle,

Just wondering, will try to do something in the line with your suggestion at Commons:Bots/Work_requests#list_of_works?  Docu  at 11:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll make a tool soon. It may take a little longer (week or two) since I'm planning to make this tool more usable. ie. usable for any template/category for any wiki. Also the javascript intergration to Commons itself will be written. When ready the currently semi-manually maintained subpages as they are now is what and where they will be when the tool is finished as well. Except that they are generated on the fly with help of Toolserver and Javascript. –Krinkletalk 11:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

creator lists

Hi Krinkle, I saw you wrote something for Docu's idea about works list, it seems very good, thanks. I just have one question:
It happens quite often that we have several images of the same work. A proposed solution to better manage this storing the artwork template in a separate page and transclude it in the file descriptions (something like Category:Model Ship - Louvre E17364). Would it be possible in such cases to only display one image (possibly adding a "default image" parameter in template artwork) ?--Zolo (talk) 20:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The information the tool extracts must be present on the File-page in an {{Artwork}}, {{Painting}} or {{Information}} template. If several files should be hidden from listings that aim to have only unique works, I suggest adding a category, which could be managed within {{Artwork}} (ie. if |alt_version= is not empty, add [[Category:Alternative files for artworks]]). I could then add a check in my tool to skip those files. –Krinkletalk 20:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
When the artwork template is called from another page, it's completely impossible to make it appear in the list ? There are cases where it would really be simpler to have just one template for all works (for example a good part of the description should be the same for all files in category:The Garden of Earthly Delights).--Zolo (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I know it's easier and I would use is myself whenever I'd be in a situation like it but it's simply not possible within reasonable effeciency to get parameter values from templates on other pages than the target page from the Toolserver. The information isn't there and can't be queried unless a lot of pending tickets/bugs are executed. Perhaps somewhere in the next 5 years.
For now, I've created a way to catch execeptions (cases that didn't match a Artwork/Information template in the source code but did indirectly transclude one) - they are listed on the bottom under "More". My proposal for skipping duplicate/alternative files by categorizing them will work for them as well, so that's still possible, they will however not have a table entry with all the nice information. –Krinkletalk 21:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay thanks, that's a good start alreay.--Zolo (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Possibly a naive question but if your tool was enabled on the "artwork" namespace (that does not exist for the moment), wouldn't it allow to include the infos contained in artwork:Boucher - Marie-Louise O'Murphy - Wallraf-Richartz-Museum WRM 2639 on the list (even if we don't get any image) ?--Zolo (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
My tool is not enabled on any namespace. It lists information from the File-description in a table generated from all files that include {{TEMPLATENAME}}. Such as {{Creator:Aart Schouman}}. –Krinkletalk 18:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
So this only works for files, I mean it does not list Artwork:Boucher - Marie-Louise O'Murphy - Wallraf-Richartz-Museum WRM 2639 directly on Creator:François Boucher/works. Would it be difficult to make an alternative version of the too that would list all "artworks" that include that include {{TEMPLATENAME}}, rather than all "files". The namespace is not active yet but it will probably be in the near future. In the case of Leonardo da Vinci for example, the list would only have the few dozens works that are really by Leonardo while the current tool breaks because it would have to display too many photos of Mona Lisa.--Zolo (talk) 08:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


Hallo Krinkle, why you have redircted the test site for SVG? Is there any new policy or alternative? I found this tip on a guideline. Greeting --Perhelion (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Because there were some possible copyright violations uploaded as earlier versions and all were pretty much missing essential source and license information. you can re-upload stuff over it though, it can still be used to do test uploads, I've just cleared the history of it for now. –Krinkletalk 21:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


Maybe its good work for bot? regards Mathiasrex (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

What is good work for bot ? –Krinkletalk 21:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Changing data format like this [2] Mathiasrex (talk) 21:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh that. Some simple conversions are done by a bot - more advanced like your example is too specific and a "not common enough" way for it to be automated. It's important to do this yourself as an uploader from now on. Past things will get fixed through time but please dont count on a bot for future edits. It's not that much extra work to do it right from the start :-). It's best for all, and your file will be better understood by a broader audience. –Krinkletalk 21:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi, well i hope software will be able to pick-up date from metafile. I dont know why is that so problematic, so manual inserting is necessary, and often time-loosing. Thanx for comment.--Mile (talk) 10:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The new uploader coming January (or later) may be able to extract/suggest certain information, but for any other cases (ie. upload date is not the shooting date, or META/EXIF data is incorrect, like when scanning artworks) then manual entry is required. Either way, no matter how layered or abstracted the input is, at some point there's a system that translates numbers into language-specific text and that system needs the data in a very specific format, namely YYYY-MM-DD. It's impossible to detect this from your input because there are multiple ways it can be interpreted. For example 4-11-2010 could, for a machine, mean bot April 11, 2010 but also November 4, 2010. –Krinkletalk 16:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Own-template during upload

Is it possible to mention ("If it is your own, please use the format {{own}}" or something like that) behind the 'Author' field in the upload form? This way uploaders can see it already when they upload, and so necessary corrections afterwards can perhaps be reduced. --Hardscarf (talk) 12:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You shouldn't use Special:Upload unless you know the wikitext well enough to produce a File-page yourself. For everyone else there are automated forms, click in the sidebar on Upload file, pick "It is entirely my own work" and there the fields are prefilled to that usecase (ie. {{Own}} etc.). Likewise there are many other preset optoins for the upload form on Commons:Upload. –Krinkletalk 23:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


Hey Krinkle, seems like Commons:Counter Vandalism Unit/nrraw has a problem. I tried to update it, but there encountered a mistake on the main page. Kind regards --myself488 talk 22:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Use the +/- edit link on COM:ANO. Worked for me. If not for you, what OS, browser, browserversion do you have ? –Krinkletalk 23:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I just updated COM:ANO again. I only changed the number, but the software changed other parts of the code too. At the main page the error shows up again. I'm using the newest Firefox with Mac OS X. --myself488 talk 09:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

changes needed to upload bot

Hi Krinkle, I have seen this edit to an image uploaded by my bot. Should I change my bot so that these pages are formatted that way? John Vandenberg (chat) 01:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, although it's not a high priority. The upload form since several months/years uses MediaWiki:license-header instead of MediaWiki:license. The latter, although similar contents, is actually the label for the upload form and not the header on the File-page. Please make the change if you are able to. Wherever we can use it without much trouble, the better. –Krinkletalk 01:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. The code has been updated. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Problem with user regarding plant photos

Hi Krinkle - since you're familiar with the uploads I am doing, I thought I'd ask for your help with a user that has begun causing me problems. He has said my uploads are a waste of time, that I am a "little lazybones", said I am lying about the photos actually being my own. Now he has tagged a second photo for deletion. It's a complete waste of my time to reply to him, as he has his own ideas and only seems to know enough about how this site works to cause problems. I hope you can help talk to him and resolve this issue. Please! Thank you, --RaffiKojian (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I've notified the user about his, what I believe to be, a mistake. I've also nominated an image of yours as you can see on your talkpage. Please reply on the entry-page for the nomination to keep the discussion central. –Krinkletalk 00:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanx a lot for COM:USURP :-) . PS: May I change my commons password to the one (unified) of If yes, could you give me again that link? Thanx a lot and regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 20:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, the rename was indeed succesful. However changing your password is not the recommended course of action. Instead make sure your new / renamed account on Commons is actually attached to your SUL-account which you use to login to, etc. You should be able to do this by visiting Special:MergeAccount here on Commons. After following the instructions your account has been succesfully unified which, among other things, means you have 1 login for all your accounts. The password of the home-account ( in your case) is assumed to be the password you want accross. So after you Merge your "commons password" will be the same as your one etc. –Krinkletalk 20:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


Hello Krinkle, could you add in {{ws}} the following german version please:
" |de= Wikispecies: Informationen zu: "
Thanks for your help and greetings. Orchi (talk) 18:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your translation, added. –Krinkletalk 18:44, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
...thanks for the quick action. Unfortunately I have a little problem in the moment: When I click e.g the "Genus link for Wikispecies" in Category:Delphinium, the mainpage of wikispecies appears and not this page: [3]. Greetings.Orchi (talk) 19:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
✓ FixedKrinkletalk 19:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Orchi (talk) 19:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

list of works

Do you think the toolserver tool is ready for a larger user group? Integrating it into the usual tools might solve the non-collapsing institution template issue. Shall we add a "list of works" link to creator templates? --  Docu  at 12:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Not yet. There are a few bugs I want to fix and, as you have probably noticed, it's quite slow. There's not much I can do about the slowness since the query to get this data simply requires a lot of complexity in order to keep it 'live' and not with some months old dump. What I'm planning to do is build a cache system so that if the same List of works is requested twice within say, a day, it wont be queried twice (with a purge option). Thus saving time for the visitors, and no huge queries on my account that hold the limited number of slots occupied. For that reason it can't be used for a larger group yet.
My first priority within this tool is the caching system, as soon as that's done it can be exposed to a larger group imho. –Krinkletalk 16:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think slowness is a problem. I know some admins complain when things don't work out instantly. It might mean that it should be implemented as a gadget or some sort of landing page though.
BTW is there anything that can be done about the display of the institution template? --  Docu  at 19:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not just the end-user experience, it's also taking up slots for longer time on my toolserver account which I don't like.
The display of the institution template (assuming you mean the collapsing) can't be resolved right now since the script that does this isn't capable of working with dynamically added elements and in my opinion it's not worth the effort trying to improve this script because there's makeCollapsible plugin written by me that will ship with ResourceLoader. This plugin takes care of a lot of small bugs and takes a new and fresh future-proof approach to the functionality. There will no longer be need for a lots of <div>'s and hard-coded messages and adjustment on a per-wiki. –Krinkletalk 19:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Maybe we could work around the problem for the institution template by making that template display in an condensed way whenever it's not used in the usual collapsed/expanded state. Somehow we tried to do that, but we couldn't quite figure out which state it attempts to load through your script.
Eventually, you might want to get a separate account for this tools, thus it wont limit you for your other ones. --  Docu  at 06:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
The limit is fine, and exposing this particular tool to a broader audience is probably not going to ring any bells. But I rather not risk forgetting it or making it a habbit. Therefor, please wait untill the caching is solved (afaik almost every tool that is broader used uses caching when the query is not 'simple' and 'on the fly'. For example the CatScan / Intersect tool also caches the result so it wont run the same twice.
The template is simply not going to be collapsible untill ResourceLoader because as far as the NavFrame/collapse script is concerned the List of works-table doesn't exist. I will see if I can extract ResourceLoaders' new universal collapsible script if it doesn't have too many dependencies so we can start using it already. Otherwise we'll simply have to wait one or two months. No big deal, right ? –Krinkletalk 13:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


You should really copy those methods or that object into your MediaWiki:AnonymousI18N.js script instead doing yet another request for yet another script. Mdale (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

✓ DoneKrinkletalk 18:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

deletion case

yo krinkle, did you see my reply? thanks for helping out! very best, oscar 00:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


Hallo. Please respect that the position of "location" info into the "description" field was not a mistake but fully intentional and purposefull. Coordinates of the camera or of the object are an integral part of description of the depicted content. Coordinates have no relation to author field, license field, date field, but their purpose is to be a precising of the description text. I know that the present graphic design of templates isn't perfectly adjusted to such ordering but the informative purpose of templates is the primary one, in my view. The desired condition should be that all the information about a file are rationally sorted, grouped and integrated.

See also this discussion from February 2009, this, this etc. The fact that {{Information}} template doesn't contain location field is a long-known problem. Affixion of {{Location}} output at the end of {{Information}} output is not a real solution but only a purposeless cosmetical masking, which was also criticised as improper. Pointless edits changing file pages from the better form to the worse form are also not a good way. If there is no consensus, no general rule and no perfect solution, it would be proper to respect the rational choose of file uploaders. Please, fix rather some real errors, don't make needless controversial edits. Thank You. --ŠJů (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Enwiki main page bot

I notice your bot hasn't been updating User:Krinkle/enwiki mainpage/core for the last few days. Have you stopped it, or it is malfunctioning? Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. A small detail in the way toolserver handles scheduled runs changed which I didn't think would affect this bot. It's back up now. –Krinkletalk 23:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
It appears to have stopped again. It hasn't been working for a few days by the look of it. I'm not very active on Commons, but I'll pop back later. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
It's up again. Still have to figure out why it stops working every 4-5 days (the error log shows that the cookies for the login are missing after 4 days....) –Krinkletalk 22:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


für das Löschen der Benutzerseite! Gruß, --4028mdk09 (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Delete an Image Request

Hi, due to personal reasons, I was wondering if I could respectfully request an image I uploaded to be removed? It would be greatly appreciated and again, personal reason

Thank you Triggafinga (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Re:Please don't blank pages

Sorry, I never remember the right procedure... Thanks for your correction. :-)--Threecharlie (talk) 01:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


Hallo Krinkle, you contributed to the template "help me". Could you please see this discussion Commons:Help_desk#.22Users_needing_help.22 and maybe tell us what the advantages of "help me" are over the help desk? I do not see them. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Unpatrolled contributions

Dag Krinkle, toevallig zag ik voor het eerst Get Top RC Users. Daar staat bij Most active contributors on commons.wikimedia (by unpatrolled contributions): "RTRC user: Click the above link, then enable MassPatrol, then click the first (diff)-link". Ik stel voor om een opmerking te maken om eerst te controleren of de gebruiker zinvolle bijdragen heeft gemaakt. Ik doe dat door eerst de lijst van bijdragen van de gebruiker te bekijken. Wanneer daar geen of heel weinig "‎(laatste wijziging)" voor komt is dat een teken aan de wand. Ik had zeer recent iemand met 14 bijdragen die ze allemaal naar een niet bestaande categorie verwees. Iemand anders heeft die allemaal hersteld. Ik stel voor de volgende procedure: Click the above link, then click the first (diff)-link, then check a few contributions to see whether they are correct, then enable MassPatrol. Ik heb intussen al ruim 50.000 edit-patrols gedaan bij anonieme gebruikers. Dat gaat prima en snel met jouw interface. Ik vind het belangrijk werk want er zit toch wel veel vandalisme tussen varierend van een "geintje" tot zeer geniepige valse veranderingen. Wouter (talk) 19:32, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Dat een dergelijke controle nodig is mag natuurlijk voor zich spreken. Hoewel ik binnenkort deze tools een vernieuwing ga geven en ze ga aansluiten in het vertaalsysteem, houd ik de omschrijving meestal erg kort (omdat ervaring en know-how is vereist van degene die de tool bedienen). Uit mijn ervaring merk ik dat (klinkt wellicht wat raar op het eerste gezicht), wanneer een uitleg te uitgebreid of het te eenvoudig maakt, (meer) mensen eerder fouten maken omdat dan een dergelijke tool te toegankelijk word (ook voor gebruikers die wellicht nog niet zo goed weten wat 'markeren' is). Op Commons is het zo dat je alleen bewerkingen kan patrollen als je in de Patroller-gebruikersgroep zit. Maar op nl.wikipedia heeft ieder 4-dagen oud account de mogelijkheid bewerkingen te markeren.
Hoedanook, in dit geval lijkt me een iets uitgebreidere toelichting juist goed. Ik zal het gelijk aanpassen. Bedankt en groet, –Krinkletalk 00:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Source tags in css/js pages


About this edit, I think people added that source tags because of bugzilla:4801 (so that the code is highlighted when previewing the page). Helder 11:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes that's correct, and since that bug is fixed I removed them (we already discussed this on IRC, but just stating here so we don't forget). –Krinkletalk 13:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Real-Time Recent Changes geeft "Kan niet als gecontroleerd worden aangemerkt"

Ik heb het probleem als in de header aangegeven. In het verleden kon ik het probleem bij één image ontlopen door skip te gebruiken. Nu lijkt het bij alle images te zijn. De link die ik gebruik om naar de pagina te gaan is [4]. Wouter (talk) 08:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

✓ Fixed. Check dat je versie 0.8.4 in het geheugen van je browser hebt (de donkere balk bovenaan RTRC). Zoniet even cache verversen. –Krinkletalk 02:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Table show/hide disfunction

Hi, on en.wikipedia (WP:VP/T) I noted: this. Could you take a look? (In short: show/hide does not wotrk. Edokter suggested it might have to do with combining Sortabel). I am not into this js/1.17 stuff very deep, so I'll be a listener like. (Brabant boppe). -DePiep (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, can you confirm that you have read the en.Villagepump point, and also whether you'll pick it up? My home WP is en. -18:23, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Read it, will not be picking it up. See my response. Thanks for the note though, let me know if you find anything else! Thanks again, –Krinkletalk 19:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
It failed, so revert. Jee. Eespecially if there is no time for backup. I cannot believe your behavior. Any template I change I do sandbox, and rightly so, while you do this at commons and then just leave? What is your true profession? -DePiep (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if my comment sounded harse, I have a lot on my agenda and could've written it with different words. Nonetheless the problems stands. I've left a message there responding to this. Please note that collapsing/sortable table works fine with the new jquery.makeCollapsible script. Check it out out here on TranslateWiki, which runs on the most recent development version of MediaWiki. –Krinkletalk 22:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


Why exactly would you replace document.getElementById with jQuery("#? I'm fairly sure that that's worse in pretty much every conceivable way. --Yair rand (talk) 00:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

(Sorry, I just realized that you've been doing the migration in lots of places and that I didn't give any real context as to what I'm talking about. I was referring to the change in wiktionary:Mediawiki:Common.js where you changed if (document.getElementById('editpage-specialchars')) to if ( $('#editpage-specialchars').size() ).) --Yair rand (talk) 00:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Also: Is mw.loader.load supposed to be used by the Common.js itself? I thought ImportScript was being made part of the core, and was supposed to be used in those situations. Anyway, mw.loader.load doesn't seem to be working for a lot of situations, and it functions by this ridiculous method of using what looks like a bunch of functions to create DOM, but are actually using that type of format for creating strings that look like DOM, using jQuery to go through a bazillion odd functions to eventually create a documentfragment and stick the strings into it as innerHTML, and then appends the DOM-ified text to the body using jQuery, so I've reverted part of your change to the importscript on Wiktionary so that it doesn't have to use that function. --Yair rand (talk) 01:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks good to me. mw.loader.load could use some improvement and has been improved a bit in the current development (the version released now is from last December/January). Since I try to avoid making allwiki-checks as much as possible (there's over 700 wikis!), I try to be as complete as possible so that the chance of something breaking is as small as possible by using the most recent methods available in the core (ie. not fixing things that broke, but replacing any calls to deprecated functions that may be removed in the future).
Using functions from the jQuery and/or mediaWiki library generally result in more readable code and perhaps lowers the bar for a new commer to grab it and write cool things for himself or as a gadget.
However as you're an active user on that wiki, I don't think Wiktionary users will have to fear their code breaking anytime soon. Thanks for the message. –Krinkletalk 02:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The $(..).size() was indeed overkill, I was confused by something else but it makes sense now.
A small note though, as of 1.17 scripts are fully minified and cached on the server. It's okay to use whitespace for readability, indention and seperation. Ofcourse do as you like best, but know that for load time or bandwidth it will no longer make a difference. –Krinkletalk 02:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Please undo your deletion of SpaceTanks free game cover !!

i'am one of the developers and for sure the COVER ART is FREE!!! thx in advance.....

please undo it ... since i'am the developer and a friend of mine the cover artist !! i hhave had a big pell mell regarding the upload right now... 'think its enough now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drecksackblase (talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I assume you mean File:Spacetanks tewi lowres.jpg and File:St cd cover art 001.jpg
Please read the Policy on Licenses. Please note that Commons does not allow Fair use.
If you want to upload works that have been publically published by an individual or company, you need to proof to the Permissions team that you are in fact who you say you are. I assume you are familiar with Wikimedia's mission to share knowledge and information in a free way.
Wikimedia Commons accepts only free content, that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, anytime, for any purpose. The use may be restricted by things like requirements for attribution and share-alike, but modifcation and distribution must be allowed. An example of a license that meets these requiremens is the Creative Commons Attribution license.
If you understand this and would like to release that artwork under such license, please send an email from an address that indicates that you that author or represent the copyright holding entity. –Krinkletalk 12:43, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

think i'am able to understand ..... although i'am one of black blowfish labs/ interactive imbeciles ;-) thanx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drecksackblase (talk • contribs) 13:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

think i released the picture "St cd cover art 001.jpg" under this terms  ?! the other picture doesn't matter for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drecksackblas (talk • contribs) 13:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I am not a member of the permissions team, and even if I was, stating it here is legally meaningless in relation to your file.
Please follow the procedure as described on COM:OTRSKrinkletalk 13:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

CounterVandalism Bot

I am having extreme difficulty making a bot do the !rights and !log from IRC to Wiki. Are you using pywikipedia bot to do this? If so, can you please provide me with a copy of the source of the and so I can make changes to them for my own pywiki bot, of course with all login info stripped. If you are not using pywiki bot, can you please email me a copy of the source so I can look at it and make my own variation to fit my needs? I would greatly appreciate this, the email is Thank you so much in advance. Joe Gazz84 (talk) 23:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I do have the files that are the defailts, but I cannot make those work, so, I would like you to email me the ones that you use, maybe I can figure something out. Joe Gazz84 (talk) 23:54, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

six tabs gadget

Hi, I have problem with six tabs gadget. It is described here. It is probably broken. Best regards. --Adam majewski (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandal cleanup

Thanks for reverting my vandal. I'm curious -- how did you know, within only six minutes, that my talk page had been vandalized? Regards,      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 21:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, no problem! How ? Thanks to the intelligence of the cross-wiki CVNBots of the Countervandalism Network (#countervandalism) on IRC:

[#cvn-commons] CVNBot14: Blacklist User: edited User talk:Jameslwoodward (+14) Diff: "tirshatha"
[#cvn-commons] Krinkle: CVNBot14 intel
[#cvn-commons] CVNBot14: is on global blacklist, automatically added from Jameslwoodward's action. Blacklisted until 09:12, 16 March 2011 ("Autoblacklist: Vandalism-only account on commons.wikimedia")

Although cvn-users can manually add users to the global cvn-*channel cvnbot blacklist, whenever a sysop blocks a user it is automatically added to the blacklist for blocklength*2 time. –Krinkletalk 22:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks -- I'm just learning all the good stuff behind the scenes. That's actually very logical, as I have often thought about keeping an eye on bad actors, but didn't know that it actually happened.
I'm not quite sure about the 2x block time though -- he was on the blacklist on 2/26 from a one day block by AVRS on 2/23, and will be on the black list for 18 days (February 26-March 16) from my one week block? Neither of those is 2x?      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
If a user is blocked on a wiki that is monitored by the CVN (most if not all wikis are), the username/ip-address will be on the global blacklist, that all CVNBots share. The duration set for the blacklist entry is "blocklength * 2.5". So a 1-week block results in a 2.5 week blacklist entry. That way the activity on other wikis by the blocked user can be monitored during the block – As well as the activity after the block expires on the wiki the block action took place. –Krinkletalk 18:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

{{person description}}

Hi Krinkle, you deleted template:person description. The idea of using such template was discussed some months ago at the Village Pump and now at template talk:persondata. It ~can't be used yet, because we have no "persondata" but what made you think it is unused ?--Zolo (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know about persondata. Template has been restored right away, must've triggered something in another deletion. Will look into it. Thanks. –Krinkletalk 21:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, could you restore {{Str find}} that was used in {{person description}} as well ? Thanks.--Zolo (talk) 08:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
✓ DoneKrinkletalk 19:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, actually there was also a subtemplate: {{str find/logic}}.--Zolo (talk) 07:26, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Right, my bad. Done now. –Krinkletalk 19:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

IE crash

bryan identified this as the cause of our IE crashtest. It does not like something. Maybe we need a browser switch here and disable only for IE. Or find the real cause. ;) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 14:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Here is a jquery plugin for crashing IE6 now we can submit a patch to also perfectly crash IE8.
Seriously, if you deploy this again, please message me in IRC (/query Saibo) and I will be happy to see if someone complains and maybe also test with a windows pc I can access.
An improvement for your nice header here: "Sie können auf Deutsch schreiben hier" should be "Schreib mir auf Deutsch" (informal German as used in Wiki world). Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 02:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


Please have a look at it. --Eusebius (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I have added some test results, have a look at Template talk:Hidden#Broken template. -84user (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi'ya Krinkle! :) I think there is a bug with AjaxPatrolLinks, I see this when I patrol something:

Error: at line 42: CVU_ajaxPatrolLinks_closeafter is not defined

Cheers, --Màñü飆¹5 talk 05:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. The script here though is an old development version, it's been on Meta-Wiki for a while. See also this edit. m:User:Krinkle/Scripts/AjaxPatrolLinks#Install. If you experience the same error with that one, please let me know. Thanks, –Krinkletalk 17:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

List of artworks

Hi Krinkle,

Are you still planning to release you creator lister tool ?
I don't know if you planned to do something for the "artwork" namespace, but actually it may be easier to use categories rather than a dedicated namespace like here. I was wondering: do you know if it would be difficult to create a tool similar that would look like that for creator but that would retrieve infos from subcategories of a given cats, rather than from files using a particular creator template (What I mean is a tool that would make a nice list of the objects categorized in Category:Muséum de Toulouse: Inventory/Prehistory).--Zolo (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Please unprotect File:Fukushima I NPP 1975.jpg

I wish to add image notes to File:Fukushima I NPP 1975.jpg but it is apparently protected. Please could you unprotect it? Instead of protecting this one, why not make a local copy for Wikipedia? I thought that was the usual way. Otherwise I will have to upload a copy myself to Commons just to annotate it, which seems a waste. -84user (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Never mind for now, I have uploaded a copy for image notes at File:Fukushima I NPP 1975 annotated copy.jpg. -84user (talk) 16:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

There's no point in wasting space in duplicating stuff around to Wikipedia. When a file is exposed on the main page of Wikipedia, it gets a lot of attention, at this time the chances of people hotlinking/embedding the file to their blogs etc. are extra high. If the file would be temporarily uploaded locally this means the file will break on that persons blog the next day (as it would be deleted from Wikipedia the next day). This just one of the many reasons not to temporarily re-upload images locally). Just keep them on Commons where they belong.
Files used on any wiki's main page may be protected for 24 hours on Commons to prevent vandalism. During this time, edits should either wait untill the next day, or request the edit to be made on the talk page of the file (be sure to add {{editprotected}} on top). Please don't make redundant copies of files on Commons to Commons under a new name, instead request changes to be made on the talk page. A sysop will perform that edit as soon as possible.
I have deleted File:Fukushima I NPP 1975 annotated copy.jpg and applied the changes to the original file. –Krinkletalk 23:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Dutch chapter

Dear Krinkle,
1.There is some discussion about the Dutch chapter. I'm not a member (long story and as of now not any more handy, I'm an expat), but I care. Thoughts?
2. I would love a global account called patio4it p@io4it (talk) 07:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Patio,
1) I'm not sure what you're asking. What discussion where, and would you like me to do ?
2) Depending on your current account status, please make a request for renaming on Commons or usurption at Commons:Changing username. I'm not a bureaucrat-user so I can't help you with that. You may also have to ask a steward if this isn't Commons-specific but about your entire global account (ask in #wikimedia-stewards / Steward requests/SUL requests at Meta-Wiki.
Thanks for your message, –Krinkletalk 10:52, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't delete redirects

You restored the redirect of an icon for railway descriptions and gave a wordily explanation for it. But those BSicons are quite different compared to other files. Some of them are used thousands of times, but only very few are linked directly (e.g. in a gallery on commons). More than 99,9% are used within {{BS}}-Templates so there's no need to keep obsolete redirects. Moreover there are almost 9000 BSicons around, and we have quite some problems to keep a clear view on those. So please don't restore the obsolete redirects/files I delete. Regards axpdeHello! 08:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright, sounds sane to me. Thanks. –Krinkletalk 11:03, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Royal collection

Hello Krinkle. I ask you to tell you how to download the Royal Collection ( pictures in high resolution (Algorithm so to speak). I am a history teacher and I need to download from there a few images. I would be very grateful. - Lois

Re: uploading images from Commons

Thanks. Please post a message with an explanation (or links to) of the protection mechanism and its timing at WT:DYK. Without such explanation nothing will change in practice. This information will in particular be needed to reprogram our DYK update bot. 12:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for you message at WT:DYK on However, I am afraid no Commons protection mechanism is compatible with our current uploading scheme (of DYK sets on the main page), which is why I asked you to explain the timing and mechanism of Commons protection so that we could think of rebuilding our procedures. I would advice to remove that message and rewrite another. Meanwhile, I would be glad to explain our procedure and why it is not compatible with Commons protection. MVG. Materialscientist (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if I was unclear, but let me quote from that message "there is a bot currently that automatically applies forwarded cascading protection from Main Page and Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow to Commons". It means whatever image is linked on w:Main Page (it checks w:Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow too!) will be auto-protected on Commons, within 10 minutes. So, just like there is no need to manually protect the images themselfs on Wikipedia (since they cascade from the Main Page page), they will now cascade to Commons as well. –Krinkletalk 22:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)



If I good understand you cannot remove MY attribution from files I have created. I'm the author of the image ad I have the law to decide how should be attributed my authorship. If template is filled wrong - fix it, I don't care, but don't remove information, that I chosen to be in image description!

--WarX (talk) 15:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

  • WarX asked me to take a look on this issue. And I really do think that author's attribution and author's data is solely dependent on author's own choice, therefore if he wants to put some additional data - fine. So I see no point in moving this data out of information template. If scripts have some problem with it - it's scripts' problem - because as far as I remember no guidelines nor rules prohibit putting additional data in the author field. And not only you moved them without any purpose, but you made a typo in polish description of this file. Please remember that for some of us, Commons users, attribution is the only visible "benefit" of sharing our work with the community. So it can be considered as rude, when attribution details are moved away from the information template. It's also because of the fact, that while sharing their files, many uploader also promote themselves as graphic designers or photographers. So, it would be cool if you limited your changes to really technical issues. Thanks in advance. Masur (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi WarX,
As far as I know legal attribution is not in the question here as the files you are referring to where released in the public domain, which means no attribution of any kind is required. Nonetheless, public domain or not, people may always choose to attribute the author (either when re-using the photo or when discussing it). The reason I moved (not removed) the information from the {{Information}} template is because the value that was in it is not the name of the author (WarX), but a paragraph/list of items on how to contact the author. Those are two very different things.
Aside from this, suppose it wouldn't be a public domain image but, say, a file licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ? Then yes, you are entirely right that the author, and the author or copyright holder alone, may decide how and what should be in the Attribution field. But then again the Attribution field is not the Author field. The Creative Commons Attribution License template has an Attribution-parameter which is meant for the attribution. Take for example File:Oerknor NIX TwelveBarBluesBand.jpg. The Author's name is Timo Tijhof there, but the attribution includes the name of the site as well. The author decided to want a different attribution instead of (or in addition to) his name.
I have no intention of changing the way you want to be attributed, that is your sole right. I merely made a technical correction to make sure the Author-field is in fact the author and not the attribution. If you wish to have a list as attribution I'd say add a row to the {{Information}}-template for "Attribution" by using this template. Or add a ==Attribution==-heading and put it there, whatever you prefer. But please make sure that the author-field is a re-usable inline value that contains the (nick)name of the Author. Thanks, –Krinkletalk 16:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Removal of <script ...> <source ...>

Thank you for maintaining the JavaScripts. I am sorry having to report a few disadvantages of removing the <script> <source tags:

  1. Even if one does not see it, the scripts are categorized either directly or through templates: Please look at Category:Copyright violations / MediaWiki talk:AjaxQuickDelete.js#file marked for speedy deletion.
  2. As you found out, signatures and substitutive templates are expanded.

Therefore, why removing all the script tags? -- RE rillke questions? 19:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I have nothing against tags that trigger a nowiki-environment for the MediaWiki parser. In fact, I think it's perfectly valid to use them when needed. However using <source lang="javascript"> has no use, as it will not do anything related to source highlighting, because all views of .js pages have syntaxhighlighting enabled by default. But using <nowiki> to avoid categorizing or expanding things is fine. If I accidently removed a nowiki-triggering wrapper tag around a scripts that needs it, please revert me and let me know! Thanks, –Krinkletalk 19:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Nice joke, I can not revert MediaWiki pages. I'm not an admin. -- RE rillke questions? 20:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
No joke, feel free to request modifications on such pages on the talkpage + {{editprotected}}. –Krinkletalk 20:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. -- RE rillke questions? 20:12, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ахмет-хан.jpg

Hi, I see you deleted page Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ахмет-хан.jpg, but there is still a DR template on page File:Ахмет-хан.jpg. I was going to repair the DR, but wondered what had been there before. Can you see to this, or shall I just go ahead and repair the DR. Thanks, --Tony Wills (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

It was an invalid DR page containing "Stop practicing shovinizmom.Zachem file then delete it?". I deleted the page in April, the page was created by (talk · contribs) in March 2011. Likely unrelated to the DR on File:Ахмет-хан.jpg, since that started in January by (talk · contribs) –Krinkletalk 14:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


Hallo Krinkle, in which languages is intro4 used? Template:Delete/layout Because of your change there is an ugly space in front of the ".". I think the following should do it:

{{{intro3}}}]]'''{{#ifeq:{{{intro4|}}}||| {{{intro4}}}}}</big>.

Please insert it (copy from edit mode) if you think it will work. I did not because I had no chance to test it (without knowing which lang uses intro4).

Do you know a better way to insert a leading space than "& # 3 2 ;"  ? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

If you are not going to reply, I will undo your edit. But I hope this won't be necessary. --Leyo 15:33, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, it should be fixed now. –Krinkletalk 17:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Seems like. Thank you. --Leyo 17:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Bug in {{WikispeciesCompact}}

I found a bug on {{WikispeciesCompact}} that I described here.
Could you look at it?
Best regards Liné1 (talk) 13:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Any idea who I could call for help? Regards Liné1 (talk) 06:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
It is getting difficult to find answers on commons. Liné1 (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for asking me, but I haven't created that template and don't really know it that well from the inside. Please keep this central on the Template's talk page. The creator and/or experts will have that page on their Watchlist. –Krinkletalk 15:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Edits needed on protected transcluded file

Hi, I've noticed a couple of problems with a file transcluded on the Wikipedia main mage, and can't edit it because of the protection. Would you be able to make the changes? See File_talk:Deep_freeze.jpg Thanks --Ozhiker (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: File:Sarychev Peak.jpg: License disputed

Hi, I think I fixed it. And I removed the dispute tag, I hope this is OK. Is the problem solved? --The High Fin Sperm Whale 23:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Please experiment in the sandbox


MediaWiki:Common.js Your intention may be good but I am tired to have to notify you because the changes cause trouble. Test your changes before applying. Please add a test whether extraCSS exists. (Why would they did this with the extra JS? ...) Sincerely -- RE rillke questions? 20:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

(editconflict) "Because someone else does it" isn't a good reason. There is no need for a function expression, then calling it and returning early if casting to boolean returns false.
A simple if statement is enough since getParamValue returns "null" otherwise. I forgot this during testing on my localhost as my localhost has a different version of mw.util.getParamValue, that, and I forgot to test on a page without that parameter. My bad, has been fixed now. –Krinkletalk 20:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
"Because someone else does it" isn't a good reason. - Yes I fully agree, but one should at least try to guess why it is done in this manner. You have a local server running on your computer - Wow.
I took this offensive and a bit misplaced template to gain your attention. I hope you don't mind. -- RE rillke questions? 21:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
(I've replaced the template with a call to {{tlx}})
Don't worry about it, I made a valid mistake and although it's likely someone else would've noted soon enough, if you didn't point me on it, it wouldn't have been fixed this fast.
Yes, I have a local server running MediaWiki (multiple ones actually). I do so in order to work on the mw: software as a developer and test software changes before submitting them to subversion etc. –Krinkletalk 21:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Are you involved in API-development? I contacted User:Bryan via mail on an issue (editing a redirected page works but API sends a 500-error instead of a normal response) but I got no answer. -- RE rillke questions? 21:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not on the "API team", no. But I do know a thing or two about it's functioning. Please create an account on the Wikimedia issue tracker (if you haven't already) and create a ticket and/or join IRC #mediawiki and ask someone. There's plenty of developers there. –Krinkletalk 21:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for these valuable hints. Bug is now fixed but do you know when upload/revert happens: According to this query never ... ? Have a nice evening. -- RE rillke questions? 18:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Update MediaWiki database schema picture?

Hi Krinkle,

On toolserver, the archives table does not contain the ar_deleted column. Maybe it's that Toolserver does not support it or that Toolserver is using a different version of Mediawiki but I was not able to figure that out. In case that the ar_deleted column no longer exists, could you please update your wonderful Mediawiki database schema picture?

Best regards and thanks for a very helpful piece of information! Drdee (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know your access level inside Toolserver, but are you referring to the public view for the archive table for Toolserver users ? Or the actual database server tables themselfs ? Some columns are hidden by default on the Toolserver for privacy reasons. Anyway, the latest version of MediaWiki's database structure is stored in subversion: tables.sql, that column (archive.ar_deleted) exists there, so yeah, the schema diagram appears to be up to date in that aspect.
Also note that the servers of the Wikimedia foundation (and thus the replication to Toolserver as well) run a branched version of the MediaWiki software (not the latest "trunk" development version), currently this is "MediaWiki 1.17" the database structure might have changed since 1.17.
Thanks, –Krinkletalk 00:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your explanation! It's probably my access level :) Drdee (talk) 14:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Granaries in Carithia

Hallo Krinkle, beim erstmaligen Anlegen der o. g. Kategorie ist mir ein Tipp-Fehler unterlaufen; anstelle "Carinthia" habe ich "Carithia" geschrieben, was ich natürlich sofort durch Neuanlage mit dem verbesserten Kategorie-Wortlaut korrigiert habe. Darum habe ich die orthographisch "falsche Version" entfernt. Es ist somit nichts passiert. Die richtige Version der Kategorie "Getreidespeicher in Kärnten" existiert somit unter dem Titel: "Category:Granaries in Carinthia". Dies zur Beruhigung und zur Erklärung. Viele Grüße --Johann Jaritz (Δ) 05:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ich sehe dass die Situation schon durch Saibo behoben war. Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. –Krinkletalk 10:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Since you were so helpful in IRC

Based on our IRC conversation earlier, it sounds to me like you're fairly intimately familiar with MediaWiki. Any ideas on why this occurs? I mean, I can readily see that the left side is getting <p>'s and the right side isn't, but why do the <center> tags alter the behaviour? Is that a "feature" or a bug? (And if I'm asking the wrong person, let me know...I can ask on the IRC channel. I tried last night, but nobody was awake, apparently. <g>) RobinHood70 (talk) 03:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi RobinHood70,
It's more of a HTML question than a MediaWiki question, regardless, here's how that happened:
The <center> tag is a block-level element (like <p>, <div>, <table> etc.), they behave like an isolated block (with their own margin), not as styling within a line.
The <span> tag is an inline-level element (like <b>, <em>, <a>, etc.).
On a sidenote, <center>...</center> was first introduced in HTML3 (we're at HTML5 now) and is deprecated. To center a block within a block, use auto-margin: <div style="margin: 0 auto;"> ..block here..</div>, to center text inside a block, use text-align (much like in a Text editor): <div style="text-align: center;">centered text</div>
For example:
{| class="wikitable"
| <p style="text-align:center">This text is centered</p>
| This text isn't

This text is centered

This text isn't
Or, since table-cells are block levels (saves an additional p-tag and thus your margin issue), this works too
{| class="wikitable"
|style="text-align:center"|This text is centered
| This text isn't
This text is centered This text isn't
I did the latter in Sandbox here
Krinkletalk 08:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw the changes to the sandbox. The issue was actually the reverse, which was why I had the problem: we had wanted the narrower vertical-spacing caused by <center> but (as you noted) had switched to using CSS's text-align:center. At the moment, on the wiki where I'm actually doing this, I've got redundant old-school and CSS centering just to trim the vertical spacing. :-/ Unfortunately, they're using a spam regex that causes "line-height" to be unusable to reduce the vertical spacing (or at least not directly...I haven't tried quirky workarounds like putting part of it in a template). The "real thing" is here if you're curious to see the specifics of what's going on. RobinHood70 (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Gadget heading

You had renamed the heading for admins to authorized users, but I don't see that heading in my preferences anymore. The language tools are followed immediately by the next section without a heading. Is this also happening for you? – Adrignola talk 14:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I see the problem. The text has to be set in the MediaWiki namespace and you hadn't created a matching page for the heading in the definitions page. I'm fixing it. – Adrignola talk 14:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


Moved to MediaWiki talk:Gadget-DropdownToTabbar.js

You introduced a bug in MediaWiki talk:Gadget-DropdownToTabbar.js by changing ( 'li > a' ) into ( 'a' ), causing existing spans to be double-wrapped. Edokter (talk) — 01:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Interview at Wikimania 2011

Hi Krinkle. My name is Matthew Roth and I'm a Storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation. We're exploring new ways to explain why Wikipedia is so special and we’ve started a Wikipedia Stories Project, where we’re chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community, especially editors and active contributors in the movement like you. I'll be traveling to Wikimania next month to collect stories for our 2011 Fundraiser. While there I'd love the chance to meet with you and hear your thoughts about Wikipedia. We’ll have a schedule of available times for you to sign up if you’re interested, but right now, I’d like to make the initial contact to gauge your interest. Please let me know by emailing me at or responding on my talk page. Thank you, Matthew (wmf) (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Questions about new mw-collapsible functionality

Hi Krinkle. I've got a few questions about the new jQuery collapsible functionality on en-wp. Could you take a look at w:MediaWiki_talk:JQuery-makeCollapsible.js when you have a chance? Thank you, Emw (talk) 15:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Collectie Antwerpen

Hello! Maybe you have the desire and ability to put high-resolution images from this source. Misschien heb je het vermogen en de wens om hoge-resolutie afbeeldingen plaats van deze bron.,com_memorix/Itemid,2/lang,nl/

Portret van aartshertogin Isabella Rubens, Peter Paul Rubenshuis

Portret van aartshertog Albrecht Rubens, Peter Paul Rubenshuis

Portret van Cosmo di Medici Rubens, Peter Paul Museum Plantin-Moretus / Prentenkabinet

Portret van Alfons, koning van Aragon en Napels Rubens, Peter Paul Museum Plantin-Moretus / Prentenkabinet

Portret van Paus Leo X Rubens, Peter Paul Museum Plantin-Moretus / Prentenkabinet

Portret van Lorenzo di Medici Rubens, Peter Paul Museum Plantin-Moretus / Prentenkabinet

Francesco I de Medici Allori, Alessandro Bronzino Museum Mayer Van den Bergh

Sincerely, Igor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 23:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Test 2

Kindly delete this and this. Vibhijain (talk) 12:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

✓ DoneKrinkletalk 20:30, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi. I'm not sure if you're good with regex, but if not then you probably know someone who is. :-D
Could you take a look at MediaWiki talk:Titlewhitelist? Killiondude (talk) 18:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Collapse boxes on Wikiversity

Hi Krinkle - Could you please help - the css changes on Wikiversity seem to have stopped at least some templates for collapsible boxes and tables from working? v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Collapse_boxes_working.3F Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk 12:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

New version of rightsfilter.js


Could you please review and apply the changes requested here?

Thanks! Helder 04:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I've reviewed and applied it. More details on the talk page there. –Krinkletalk 12:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. See also these notes. Helder 13:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

User:High Contrast

Sehr geehrte Krinkle. Ich habe einen Problem mit dem User "High Contrast". (hier Link zu Diskussion Ich habe Ihm deutlich zu verstehen gegeben dass ich es AUSDRÜCKLICH nicht wünsche von Ihm geduzt zu werden. Überdeutlich habe ich Ihn gebeten auf Abstand zu gehen und mich mit Respekt anzuschreiben, leider hat Er meiner Bitte mit sprichwörtlichen Füssen getreten. In den letzten zwei Jahren habe ich (beinahe täglich) als anonymer IP (dinamische IP) tausende, aber tausende Beiträge der Commons beigesteueret und noch nie hatte ich irgenwelche Probleme gehabt. Es gibt jedoch so etwas wie die MENSCHLICHE WÜRDE so ein Entgegenkommen (sogar virtuelles) wie ich heute von Herrn User High Contrast erlebt habe kann man nur als skandalös bezeichnen. Ich hoffe dass ich hier weiter machen kann und dass kein weiterer User mit so einem Auftreten wie das von "High Contrast" zu rechnen muss. Falls Sie irgenwelche Möglichkeiten sehen solche Probleme in der Zukunft zu vermeiden dann wäre Ihnen sehr dankbar. Mit freundlichen Grüssen IP80.171.48.106 15:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Title without disambig

Hi, could you restor Template:Title without disambig and possible subtemples ? It is clearly not very efficient but I'd like to try to use it.--Zolo (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Commons:User Scripts

Hello Krinkle, recently I created Commons:User Scripts to have a centralised place to talk about JS issues of commons. Currently it is empty but I hope you will participate and use it. Thank you. -- RE rillke questions? 19:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Edmund Herring pic

If it's okay, could you swap the Edmund Herring pic currently on en's main page as FA to File:Edmund Herring (sans watermark).jpg. The alternate version was requested at en's Graphic Workshop, i.e. to remove the watermarks and tidy the edges. Cheers. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Fred,
Please ask an admin on the English Wikipedia. I don't have the right to modify that from Commons. –Krinkletalk 14:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete copy vio

--Reality006 (talk) 22:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your work, however these have already been tagged and will be dealt with in time. They are put on a list automatically, a very long list. If you encounter any more copy vio's that haven't been marked with a label "Copyvio". Please put {{Copyvio}} on the page with a short description explaining why. Thanks :) –Krinkletalk 22:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Please do not edit how I choose to list myself as source

I choose, quite deliberately, not to use {{own}} on my photos. Reused photos are often miscredited simply to "Wikipedia" or "Wikimedia Commons". I try to minimize that by explicitly listing myself as the source of my photos. There is nothing inaccurate about that listing, and I ask you please not to alter it, as you did at [5] and several other edits. - Jmabel ! talk 16:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Bug in {{WikispeciesCompact}}

I just saw your response in Template_talk:WikispeciesCompact#Carriage_return_bug_on_this_template.
Could you help me?
Feel free to modify my sandboxes.
Best regard Liné1 (talk) 17:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you know someone who could help me with this template? Regards Liné1 (talk) 14:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, wouldn't know. Perhaps ask in the Village pump or at the Helpdesk. –Krinkletalk 18:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi Krinkle, there seems some reluctance, perhaps, by less technical admins to respond to Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Implementing_My_Uploads_link. Perhaps you could handle it? Thanks, Rd232 (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'll look into it. I have some concerns about the javascript code, I will review that this weekend and (if the poll result is positive, which I'll assume for now) activate it. –Krinkletalk 20:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Rd232 (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
So, what's the status of this now? Rd232 (talk) 11:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Ping... Rd232 (talk) 07:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
ping... Rd232 (talk) 19:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I have already done an initial review last week and posted it here: MediaWiki_talk:JSONListUploads.js. The script author has read my review and made several dozen edits and improvements to the scripts, I will look at those soon. Then the script can go live as far as I'm concerned. –Krinkletalk 20:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Rd232 (talk) 22:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
So... another week has gone by. I'm starting to think you two are waiting for each other?? MediaWiki talk:JSONListUploads.js. Rd232 (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:AnonymousI18N.js#This script causes an endless reload loop

Since you added (or simply merged) the code that causes problems I want to point you to the discussion going on. --TMg 00:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violation