User talk:Fry1989/Archive 4

Coat of Arms of the Slovak State

Hi Fry, could maybe modify the this coat of arms to that one, because the actual version is not equal with the original. Sry for my english. Greetings --Trimnapaschkan (talk) 15:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fry, I do not understand why you changed the last version of Poznaniak, while it was the right one. Greetings --Trimnapaschkan (talk) 03:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Presidential Standard of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.svg

Still working on the arms image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Awesome :) Fry1989 ^eh? 16:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, and apologies

I went AWOL again, I know, so sorry about that. Uni turned out to be a much bigger timesink than I was anticipating.

Anyhow, I see you're still active on here and I was just wondering if there was anywhere I could lend a hand? I've got about a month of break before I'm back at school, so I should have plenty of time to finish anything I've neglected. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 16:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad to have you back, this would be a good start. I have probably 100-200 images in a backlog, and while I know I can't possibly expect you to get to them all, this is where we left off. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, the seals are still there, then! Haha. I'll start on them tomorrow. Also, could you check the Puerto Rico CoA request? I'm not sure why it's not been marked as resolved. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 21:26, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful. Did you mean this one? Fry1989 ^eh? 22:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that was it. I've archived it. Maybe we should try to get a bot to do the archiving now that there are so many requests!

Anyway, thanks for fixing up the tags. I think we're cross-editing a bit so you may have missed my comment at the lab about the Rhode Island seals. This is just a heads up to check there.

So, what next? There are so many requests that I can't really get a handle on which need doing and which are stale. I've removed the very old ones at the top (over a year without anything) and some of the resolved ones but it's still incredibly busy in there. I'll probably archive anything older than six months if I can't see anything else!! NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 17:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

There's a bot that is supposed to archive the page, but it hasn't done so in years and I've had to do it manually when requests are completed. Worse off, I seem to be the only who really cares and bothers to archive requests, including those made by others. As for what's next, like I said I have a backlog of alot of images, so just let me know when you're ready for me and I'll send them your way. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I should probably have a crack at some of the requests on the GL first. If there are any that you recommend, or any that are on your list and already posted, let me know and I'll try to do those first. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 17:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

This one and this one are the only two I have outstanding there. The second one was marked "resloved" by someone, even though it was only half completed. Other then that, it's free range. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about the Sri Lanka one though, I think my skills have finally come up enough that I can do it myself. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately I read that rather too late. D: NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 18:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

LOL, no problem :) Fry1989 ^eh? 18:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Right, those two are dealt with, and I've done another of the requests on the page. What do you think next? Is that Abkhazia thing still outstanding? NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 18:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It's kinda complicated because of Ssire's trolling edit war on the orginal file. You can try it if you want and upload on my temporary file, but Zscout370 will still have final approval. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

BTW just one thing with your SLAF colours, your stripes are wrong. They're supposed to be orange-green-red-yellow, not green-blue-red-yellow. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Whoops. I was using blue to line up the rectangles and must have changed the wrong ones! Fixed now.

Looking at the outstanding requests on Wikipedia, are there any of the Aussie flags that you can't do? I'm happy to fill in the gaps there if you want. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 19:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a bunch I can't do, any that need original drawing. Those with just the stars and basic shapes I can do. There's a few flags I could also use your help with if that's ok. There's these 3 county flags (please leave the proportions as is), as well as this flag and this flag. For the Kenya one, the anchor is available from the naval ensign and the eagle can be borrowed from this flag. Other then that, I have nothing. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've done the Liberian ones and the Breton one as well. It's getting a bit late to do the Kenyan one tonight, but I'll get to it tomorrow. If you could either make a request for the Aussie ones you can't do or just list them for me, I'll try to get some of them done as well. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 22:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Of those on the list, I won't be able to do the Lunn-Dyer and Associates, Mark Tucker, Harold Scruby 1994 and 1997, Ken Done, George Margaritis, Athol Kelly, Ralph Kelly, John Williamson, Tony Burton, Geoff Coulin, George Poulos, John Williamson, James Parbery, Yahoo Serious, Russell Kennedy, Peter Markwick, Wendy Davies, or Ralph Kelly. The others I can, but I'll be slow at getting to them. Just remember some already exist in the Proposed flags of Australia category. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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Did File:Proposed flag of Australia - Parbery.svg... AnonMoos (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

We should probably move this discussion to the GL at enwiki. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 13:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Trinidad and Tobago Presidential Standard

The current file for this is wrong. According to the T&T President website, the standard is the T&T coat of arms in between a pair of laurel wreaths, all in gold, on a royal blue flag. I have created the correct thing in svg format, but the page keeps telling me I cannot overwrite the current file. Why is this? The current file is wrong and I would like to change it to the right thing. --TriniPosseStar (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for jumping in, but I'm pretty sure you're being denied because you're trying to overwrite a PNG file with an SVG. Upload it as a new file and then we can replace the links to the PNG. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 14:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, Thanks. --TriniPosseStar (talk) 14:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes I'm aware it's wrong but it's all we had. I'm trying to get Sodacan to make an SVG of it using his wonderful coat of arms, but he has a very long waiting list. Fry1989 ^eh? 15:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Already done. This is the correct one. Did it myself, in SVG format. I've already made the switch where necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trinidad_%26_Tobago_President_Standard.svg --TriniPosseStar (talk) 16:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but Sodacan can make a far better one. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'm interested in seeing it when it is uploaded. I'm no expert but I did my best. National pride, you understand. :-) --TriniPosseStar (talk) 16:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It's nothing personal :) Fry1989 ^eh? 16:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

What is wrong with this one? NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 16:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Technically nothing, it could just be better. Surely you agree that Sodacan's coat of arms is a work of art. If he can apply that to the flag, then it will really be something! Fry1989 ^eh? 16:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I saw it and I VERY MUCH agree! His is MUCH better! And SVG to boot! NICE! I am excited to see what it looks like in gold! Just remind him: gold coat of arms in a gold laurel wreath on a royal blue flag. :-D --TriniPosseStar (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I sent him the Presidential Website's source. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

He's got mad skills. Or as we would say in T&T: De man GOOD! --TriniPosseStar (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I just wish his wait list wasn't so long. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Alcohol control in the United States.svg Map

Hi, What data did you use for the Alcohol control in the United States.svg map? Thank you.

I wish I could remember but it's been so long. I'm pretty sure I was using a news article map about the subject. If anything is wrong, feel free to correct. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Updates

Okay, I've done all the Aussie flags you said you couldn't do (please tell me if I've missed any) and changed the flags to 3:4. I also finished the Abkhazia shield I think, so if you're happy with it, please do upload over the current one or whatever you wanted to do with it. The Guinea CoA is also fixed as far as I can see, but Antemister seems to have a new version to upload as well.

So, have I missed anything? NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 14:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

No, it doesn't look like you missed anything to me. I may make a few changes to the standards, but it would just be colours. I do have some other things I could use help with, but I'm sure you could use a break. Let me know when you're interested. Thanks my friend. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Please do post them on the Commons GL! I might not get to them right away, or even before July, but it can't hurt to put them there. The page is a lot clearer than when I got back, at least, so it should be fine to have some more requests there. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 17:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks again. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:50, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Posting the text from my talk page for your perusal

Hi Hindustanilanguage - I didnt want to come back to this matter, but as Fry1989 attacked and accused me of lying yesterday again, i have to. In several instances before you acted as a mediatior successfully and i would like to ask you to help in this case, to. Please read this note and let me know your judgement. Then i'll be able to consider further actions. --maxxl2 - talk 11:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Fry, as a humble personal appeal, I would not like to see two fellow Wikimedians fighting, regardless of who's right or wrong, because it is trivial. In this particular posting on my talk page a user asserted "Hello Hindustanilanguage, I completely disagree with your closing and comment in my report. I mean also you are not authorized to do this as non admin!? The most of Fry1989 given arguments are hypocrisy or simply not true (which I can refute in detail)." to which, I coolly and calmly posted a brief comment "Well, Perhelion, I respect your decision to disagree with me. But the point is, there has to be light at the end of a tunnel and not one tunnel leading to another." I urge you to please exercise restraint in the choice of words (esp. adjectives) and state things in a cool and calm manner. Also, there's no point in reciprocating or countering each and every point of others. Best wishes, Hindustanilanguage (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC).

Just FYI: Commons:Deletion requests/User:Maxxl2/notes -FASTILY ^(TALK) 05:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

An esteemed sysop has expressed confidence in Maxx by conferring Filemover status, overlooking the opposition and unanswered queries. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 06:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC).

Meh, if he abuses it, we can take it away in two clicks. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 07:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

And what happens if he attempts to undo one of my renames in the future, considering I also have this right? Fry1989 ^eh? 18:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

This is what INeverCry had think about. Btw (s)he's quick in taking decisions on controversial issues such as in another case of Michaeldsuarez - the requester admitted a block on en:wp as the reason for his immigration and seeking bigger role on Commons. He also cites that a block on en:wp of Russavia did not ensure that we overzealously reciprocate the move to ensure Russavia's expulsion for here. I wonder whether INeverCry studied the cases fully or not, but (s)he gladly granted filemover status to Michaeldsuarez that very day. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC).

That is not an answer to my question. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 Comment Both of the above mentioned editors are experienced enough to use the filemover right properly, and so I've assumed good faith that they will do so. As with anyone who is given the filemover right, if it's abused it'll be removed. INeverCry 18:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Coat of Arms of the First Slovak Republic.svg

Dlaczego cofnąłeś moją wersję? Poprawki wykonałem na prośbę autora grafiki (Arvedui89) na podstawie oficjalnego rysunku: [1]. Poznaniak (dyskusja) 10:38, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Man, could you please tell me what are you doing here? Version you restored is definitely not the proper one. I made it a long time ago "redrawing" current Slovak CoA. Lately I received a message from Trimnapaschkan, who asked me to adjust it to the official version. He gave me that link [2], I later found [3]. As you may see this a text of official law of the Slovak State from 1939. Construction is definitely right; about colours it is hard to tell, as in this act they are described as strieborný ("heraldic" silver), parížska belasá (Paris blue) and cinober tmavý (dark cinober). There are no HTML or RGB codes. ARvєδuι ⁺ 11:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

§ 3. (1) Znak Slovenskej republiky je tento: na červenom (cinober tmavý), nadol zahrotenom štíte tri končisté vrchy belasé (parížska belasá), z ktorých na prostrednom vyššom vrchu je vztýčený strieborný kríž patriarchálny s dvoma ramenami, pri koncoch mierne rozšírenými. (2) Podrobnosti znaku sú zjavné z obrazov prílohy k tomuto zákonu.

It's the same image, I just removed the unnecessary strokes/outlines that don't belong. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Marking edits as minor

Please stop marking your replies to deletion decisions as minor. You appear to mark almost all of your edits as minor. Minor edits are only for small inconsequential edits. The minor edit filter on other contributor's watchlists will not conciser your edits as important. Please stop. Zginder (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

How I mark my edits is not your concern. I have my preferences autoset to mark edits as minor and it will remain so. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fry1989, as Zginder, I find your "minor edit by default" practice confusing/misleading, cf. en:Help:Minor edit. Yeah, I know this is not official Commons policy, but I do believe this is pretty much Commons sense and aligned with what most users would expect with some nuances. Why have you enabled your edits as being minor by default when a majority of your edits are - in fact - major (changing content)? It is considered poor etiquette by most editors to mark major edits as minor. Not so the other way around. For instance, adding a category is in my opinion not a minor change as it is of interest for page watchers and something worthy of a review/scrutiny. Thanks, --Slaunger (talk) 23:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you guys will get far with Fry in this manner, there are plenty of people who deliberately piss fry off and troll him for lulz, when that happens there are not enough people who help or stand up to it. I stand up for what is right, and if you read the collapsed section at the top of my talkpage, then you'll see what happens. If you wanted to ask Fry for a favour, the *easy* way is to do something nice first, or take any interest in the problems being inflicted upon him. I'm damn sure I could get Fry to add the edit summary "OMG NOT THIS AGAIN !!!!" to lots of edits he makes, I think he'd do it too :) but I won't. I'll just point out that I think you could try looking for larger problems on commons than just the way edit summaries are marked. Believe me, there are much larger problems which are destroying commons as we speak. Take an interest in them. Penyulap ☏ 03:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Flag of Flanders

Are you serious? First of all your arguments are bogus. You just changed the flag because you like the 'warm yellow' more. You have not official sources and you don't speak Dutch so I can't imagine you will find any good sources. Like I said at the talk page. An e-mail has been send to the Flemish government. Until they response the image will be restored to the version it was for several years. Two users against one is NOT consensus. Wikipedia is not a democracy.--__ wɘster 01:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Piss off with your attempts at ownership and intimidation. "This is not a democracy!", the cry of those who want their way even though they know they are opposed by more users than they have support from. I never said this is a democracy, but neither is it a dictatorship. If you are opposed by multiple users, YOU have to discuss why you are right and convince us, not bash us over the head with reverts. Adelbrecht may be willing to appease people like you, but I have no such moral obligation. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I do not own the image neither do you or Adelbrecht. It's perfectly normal that when there is disagreement the old version is restored. 'Multiple users' is a complete ridiculous argument since it's only you and Albrecht that want the 'gold' instead of the yellow (like mentioned in the law). You also don't have any clue of the use in real live since your Canadian. Adelbrecht has already said that he is not sure of the colours. --178.118.106.71 07:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Why is it the only reason I ever hear "This isn't a democracy!" is when someone knows they're loosing? When they have more opposition then support? Because it is the cry of the desperate. No, this is not a democracy, but it is run by the majority. If there was 20 votes on an issue, with 15 supporting one side, while 5 supporting he other, guess which decision will be imposed. This is not a dictatorship, you do not get to edit war all you want to have your way in the face of opposition, and then cry out "this isn't a democracy!". As for your racism, that someone not "from here" couldn't possibly know anything, is really an old tiresome tirade also of the desperate, that doesn't gain you anything. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

WackyWikiLove

The Donut of DOOM

You have been presented with The Donut of DOOM

I'm impressed. You've found the lamest controversy on commons, the invisible border patrol Vs the expansionists. Facepalm, well at least you get a tasty DoD.

See, on one hand, You're wrong to change it, and on the other hand *** ARGHH *** (Penyulap clutches their face) MY EYES !!!! MY EYES !!!!! THE EXTRA INVISIBLE PIXELS ARE BURNING MY EYES !!!! Penyulap ☏ 18:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I'M BLIND, I'M BLIND, AAAAAAaaaaaaaaa  !!!!!!!!!! Penyulap ☏ 18:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not in the mood, don't push. Some virgin user tried to nominate the file for deletion, and couldn't even do it right, they tried to do it through annotations. That was my original edit, to revert them. Then I re-examined the issue regarding the file, and re-cropped it accordingly adding free space, but not as much as it used to have. It's a simple compromise and only whiners would really make such an issue out of my crop. There is nothing wrong with it and it stood for 2 years until that troll reverted me. I Don't Like It applies, there was zero substance. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

File:FIFA Logo(2010).svg

Hmm, not in the mood eh? yeah, I guess that's fair enough, and I figure this wouldn't be a good time for a graphics request would it ? I have this image see, and it needs a bit of extra space cropped off it ... Shomebody stop me !!!!! I need a block in the ass right now for harassment ;) I just can't help coming up with corny/silly/stupid jokes. I is out of control !!

Cheer up and remember that in 150 years from now, we'll all be dead, forgotten, and it won't seem like such a big deal. So Cheer up ! it won't even take that long for us all to die and be forgotten. :) yes ? Penyulap ☏ 21:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry my friend, but I've been suffering from really bad headaches, and I had to go to the dentist, review for an exam and work today. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you're not feeling well, I hope it doesn't last long. I think we don't appreciate the days when our health is good enough. We curse the bad days, but don't give thanks for the good days as much as we curse. I'm sure that the studies you are doing will go well, you're very smart. Penyulap ☏ 07:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I hope you are not suffering from really bad headaches anymore, and it's just back to suffering from really bad Penyulap jokes...

I know it's not really my business, but what kind of headaches ? throbbing behind the eyes/all over, or sinus pain behind the nose ? I have suffered from headaches now and then, often it comes down to some of the things I eat. Maybe some symptoms match up. Penyulap ☏ 18:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow, when I read this a week or two later I look like I was stoned or something, which is weird cause I don't do drugs. Hmm, can only mean one thing, possession by aliens with mind control technology, or some industrial accident and spill at a local laughing gas factory. Meantime, Fry, can you have a look at my comments on the talkpage and let me know what you think ? I know it p's you off, but I would like to know your thoughts on the proposal there. Penyulap ☏ 19:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not having anything more to do with it because Leyo is being a dick. He threatens people who disagree with him on simple things, he calls things vandalism when they aren't, and he fails to make proper arguments against the simplest of changes to an image. He shouldn't be an admin. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

well, it may be true sometimes, but lately with the attention that file has had, he has backed off and done the generally rightish thing. I would say right thing, but I did check his contributions today and saw him on Fastily's talkpage, but forget all that, at the moment things are going reasonably well, you can't say it's not better than before can you ? I may have made it seem like a bit of a lame matter before, but it is a matter of good order, and a matter of what seems correct, I see that with most editors, and surely I am the same with some things being orderly too. It is a good opportunity this week to sort it out, at least three or four people would comment on it I expect, but if you don't want to, I understand and will make a note there confirming that you have no interest in it anymore (after a few days have passed in case you reconsider). Penyulap ☏ 20:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fry, I was looking at File:SM Logo.svg thinking, I wonder what it is, cause for me, it only shows up as a bar across the bottom of the screen, with a gap in it. Seems like a very boring logo. I thought that you're expert in svg :D but it is not any big deal, I was just curious is all. There are a lot of official logos here on commons, some are rather surprising. Penyulap ☏ 09:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Dominica

Why is there no CoA? You made a sound argument at en:wp.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't remember the argument I made, but it appears the image has been deleted. I'm sorry. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

a heads-up

In 2011 you participated in Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb_(de-adminship 2). That discussion ended with User:Jcb losing his administrator privileges.

This note is to inform you that User:Odder proposed Jcb have unconconditional access to administrator privileges restored.

Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb (readmin) is scheduled to close on May 20th.

Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but I have no objection at this time. Fry1989 ^eh? 15:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

PyeongChang 2018

I don't understand what you did. This will end up like last time for Sochi 2014 by a letter from the IOC to the Wikimedia Foundation and the logo will be deleted. Do you really think that the Foundation has money to waste in a lawsuit with the IOC ? Do you realize how protective the IOC is with its brands ? Hektor (talk) 07:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

COM:TOO. Read it. -FASTILY 07:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have written to Geoff Brigham, general counsel of the Wikimedia Foundation, for advice. Hektor (talk) 08:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Botman.gif

I'll notify botman immediately, it sure beats reading anything. Penyulap ☏ 09:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hektor, it is not my fault or Commons fault that you're incapable of understanding basic copyright. I tried to explain it to you, you won't listen. That's your problem. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Dopravná značka B15.svg

What you did overwriting the image File:Dopravná značka B15.svg is inappropriate, please see the guidance at Commons:Overwriting existing files. If there are errors with the file and name, then it should be renamed as per Commons:Renaming. But then to go and apply the duplicate tag to the other file is being disruptive when they were not duplicate before you overwrote the file. No overt explanation, no clear commentary. Please follow the rules and policies of the community.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't inappropriate. If you had payed attention, you would see that the uploader had accidentally uploaded one sign under two names, and therefore shifted the name/number of all signs after over by one. I simply corrected it. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The uploader uploaded File:Dopravná značka B21.svg as both B21 and B20, therefore every sign from B15 to B20 was backwards one. I shifted them forwards and now every sign matches it's proper name without any messy renames or redirects or anything. It's an incredibly simple fix, 5 signs just had to be shifted one number and now everything matches per the government source. No messy renames, no messy redirects.. The duplicate file you're speaking of, was uploaded by another user because of the original uploader's mistake in his numbering. Now that that mistake has been corrected, it is no longer needed. Perhaps you should look into things in a bit deeper detail before you accuse another user of such bad faith, and apologize to me for your arrogance! As an admin, you should especially appreciate thoroughness in your research before making accusations. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I tried to sleep this off, but I am honestly so incensed by your arrogance and approach right now because it was really uncalled for and as an admin you should know better. I'm going to explain this real simple, W O61L and W O61R are the same thing, except one points left and one points right. Had I accidentally uploaded them backwards, I wouldn't rename the two files, I would simply flip them over. That's exactly what I did here except it was 5 files instead of just two.

How the uploader originally did his files

How they should be

As you can see, no renaming was necessary, they just had to be shifted forward one. I saved Commons ALOT of trouble from messy renames, redirects and whatever else, and in all probability renaming wouldn't have even worked because the name-space of one sign already existed as another, so flipping them around was really the only way to do it. But you didn't even ask me why I did this, you just immediately assumed I did it for a bad faith reason and came bitch me out saying "You did something unacceptable, how dare you! You didn't tell the community why, you aren't following the rules, you should rename things instead of over-writing!", without even a basic understanding of why I did what I did. You could have easily figured it out if you had done a little more research, or asked me. You think I just do this for fun? That I like to mess around with things?? I saw a problem and I fixed it, that's what we are supposed to do here, and I have no obligation to go to the Village Pump or some other page every time I fix a problem and wave my hands saying "HEY Community! I'm doing this, but don't worry, I have a really good reason and I'm fixing things". Your immediate bad faith pisses me off so much right now. I can't make you apologize, but you certainly should! Don't you ever come to me with immediate bad faith assumptions again. I don't fuck around here for the fun of it, I put my time and energy into this place to make it better, by adding content, fixing problems, and helping others in need. GOOD DAY! Fry1989 ^eh? 17:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

We are in a community, not working in isolation. We document what we do to explain why we are doing it, it is to inform others, not just for now but through the history of the file. I work with the information that is in front of me, and digging deep on the history of a file marked duplicate, and seeing an overwrite like that is not reasonable.

The policy statements are clear, and are to cover these situations. Overwriting of files is inappropriate. Misnamed files should be renamed. We document what we do so others can follow what we are doing and why.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:12, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

You're clearly too proud to admit you're wrong, or unwilling to understand the situation because you're still calling it inappropriate and insisting I should have renamed the files. These files CAN'T be renamed, because the name-space of one already exists as the next. From B1 all the way to B39 the names already exist. The ONLY way to fix this problem was to shift each file forward by one, and it is the simplest, quickest, cleanest fix as well. I may not have explained it clearly in my edit summaries, but I did the right thing and the policy you are quoting doesn't apply to this situation. The uploader realized his mistake on File:Dopravná značka B21.svg (look at the upload history), but he didn't go back and correct it on the other five that he screwed up. All you had to do was ask me, but you immediately assumed bad faith. You don't think I know what I'm doing here when it turns out I understand it better then you! Just because you're an admin and a steward and you're capable of quoting policy doesn't make you right. Some times, the policies don't apply, and some times you don't have a clue what's really going on because you've already made it up in your mind that this was a bad faith edit. Now I am going to explain this to you one last time, as simple as I can. Perhaps, if you're willing to open your mind, you will get it. I am going to list signs B14 to B23, and if you pay attention you will see the fault.

The uploader forgot the "no horse-drawn carts sign" (B15) and uploaded the "no hand-carts sign" (B16) in it's place. At the same time, he uploaded the "no water pollutants sign" twice under both the names B21 & B22, when B22 is it's official name. Therefore, if you list all the signs alphabetically, this is what it would look like.

The "no horse-carts sign" which was missing, needed to be uploaded under it's proper name which is B15, while the 5 signs from "no hand-carts" to "no dangerous goods" all had to be shifted forward by one so they match their official name. After doing that, this is what it looks like, and this matches the government source.

After I shifted them forward, everything was fixed. File:Dopravná značka B15ok.svg was uploaded by another user because "no horse-carts" is what B15 actually is, even though the original uploader uploaded "no hand-carts" under that name. Once I fixed it, that file was in fact a duplicate and no longer needed. Do you get it now? Do you see how simple a fix this is? Do you see how renaming wouldn't have worked because all the name-spaces already existed? Do you see how the no-overwrite policy doesn't apply to this situation? Do you see how I actually do know what I'm doing some times? Do you see how you were wrong to immediately assume bad faith, accuse me of inappropriate actions and bitch me out? Fry1989 ^eh? 19:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Jedan02

Too late mate, I already blocked him—I really couldn't keep up with reverting his uploads, especially seeing that he didn't even take the time to explain his edits… odder (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I noticed afterwards. Good riddance if you ask me. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:40, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Kansas Turnpike Shield

Thanks for taking care of replacing the Kansas Turnpike shield with the new version. Apparantly, I thought I was unable to upload the new version over the old one... That's what I get for forgetting to log in Route56 (talk) 05:14, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Have I missed anything?

Hope you're well. I'm home from uni now, so are there any pressing requests that need to be filed? Or perhaps ones that I said I'd do but have since been archived? I'm sure there was one about seals I had left but it doesn't seem to be on either of the GLs now. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 18:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back my friend. I'm sure I have things to request, though I'll have to think about them. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, then. I'll get back to unpacking.  :) NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 11:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry my friend that it took a while, I have such a backlog of things I would like to have on Commons, I was struggling on where to start, but I think I know where to now. Do you want me to list it here, or in a proper GL request? Fry1989 ^eh? 20:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Put them on the GL so I don't forget about them!  :) NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 11:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

There ya go. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

SVG question

Hi there, I've just posted a question at the Graphic Lab about text not rendering in previews of an SVG, and Penyulap has suggested that you might be a good person to get advice from. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. — Scott • talk 16:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I have converted the text to paths. It may take a while to show up in the previews. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Fry. Penyulap ☏ 18:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Seconded - thanks very much! — Scott • talk 18:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Danish motorway road sign

Hi. Please, kindly see my discussion page on commons to see the discussion about Danish road sign and you'll understand the reason of the darker green...Thanks! --Gigillo83 (talk) 07:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I have and I disagree, you should used the colours set out in the guide, it's the regulation specific to the signs. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know...the Danish user tells to me that the green in the guide is not correct due to a Danish law...I'm not Danish, surely he knows the situation better than me so I have to give reason to him I suppose...--Gigillo83 (talk) 20:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Several countries have a national standards system for colours, such as Australia. They're not necessarily applicable to everything however and I don't think that green is right. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Food/services signs

Have you come across anything in an MUTCD similar to ? And that one isn't categorized, so I can't easily find more like it. –Fredddie™ 17:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

No I'm afraid I haven't. Based on it's use I'd say it's a Chinese sign, but I can't source that. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I would agree. I swear I've seen the food and bed signs in the US MUTCD, but maybe they just haven't made their way onto Commons yet. –Fredddie™ 23:34, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

is the American sign according to the MUTCD. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:51, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Aha! I knew you would know where to find it. Thanks. –Fredddie™ 03:47, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

File:Kongeflagg.png

Thought you might be interested, since you nominated it for deletion: Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#File:Kongeflagg.png. I suspect an ongoing occurrence of meatpuppetry as well. -FASTILY 20:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I would not be surprised, Roede has a long history of edit waring and bringing "supporters" on English Wikipedia in place of facts and sources. I've been over-ruled by mere numbers twice because of him. They are trying to force a change in the Norwegian royal standard that is not sourced and looks nothing like the real thing. It's a case of "I don't like it, so I'm gonna force what I want". Fry1989 ^eh? 01:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hii

Hii fry1989 can you help

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  Orginal raster image
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  svg image in which tower is wrong
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  Svg image with correct tower

Perumalism Chat 14:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that is beyond my abilities. I suggest a graphic lab request. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok Perumalism Chat 04:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thanks it was Done Perumalism Chat 15:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Nederlands verkeersbord C4

I have noticed that you renamed the file "Nederlands verkeersbord C4" to the wrong name "Nederlands verkeersbord C4 (right)". Please revert this action. C4 is the official code of this road sign. Please also revert your related actions on the Dutch, German, English and Italian Wikipedia. --Bouwe Brouwer (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I will do no such thing! I renamed the sign because it is a one-way street sign and it points rightwards. Naturally as one-way streets can go in either direction, we should have one that points leftwards as well. If you attempt to get the rename undone, I will report you for ownership problems. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I have noticed that you also renamed the file Zeichen 220-20.svg to the wrong name Zeichen 220-20 (rechts).svg. Please correct this error too. Zeichen 220-20 is always with the arrow to the right. Zeichen 220-10 is for the version of Zeichen 220 with the arrow to the left. See http://www.dvr.de/multimedia/downloads/verkehrszeichen-alle.htm If you don't have any knowledge of the subject, please leave the files just like they are. With your actions you are irritating the users from the Netherlands and Germany. --Bouwe Brouwer (talk) 11:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh shut up about your irritation! I don't give a damn about how you feel when you speak to me this way. If you want to be productive and helpful where I have made a mistake, talk to me nicely, otherwise you can just go fuck off. You have an incredibly nasty ownership problem with files, and then you boss other people around when you do not understand their edits and the reason behind them. Try speaking to people with a little courtesy and assume good faith, and you will get it in return. You automatically assume I just do things here to screw around, when the truth is everything I do, I do for a reason to make something better. My reason may not be perfect, but it is always with the best intent. And don't even try to bullshit me by saying I'm upsetting all the users from the Netherlands and Germany, the only person I've upset is you. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Will you please stop irritating Dutch and German users by doing all kinds of stupid edits, and bullying people who tell you things about your actions you don't like to hear? You act like a troll: you are starting disputes, never giving references, always assume you are doing the right thing. - Quistnix (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You can shut up too! Both of you have absolutely no assumption of good faith. Did you ever wonder why I renamed Zeichen 220-20 to Zeichen 220-20 (rechts)? Because we only had the right-wards pointing sign, and I needed to upload the one pointing left. I did not have access to any official German texts on the signs, so I had no way of knowing that the one pointing left didn't also use 220-20 as it's designation. Some countries DO use the same designation for this type of sign whether it points one way or the other, and without my being able to know that Germany did not, I made what was an educated guess. It may not have been right, but it was with the best intent. I made a mistake, WOW! People make those, but at least I'm fixing it. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF! I have no responsibility to garnish the approval of you two trolls who always assume the worst in people. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You don't give me any reason to assume good faith: you keep insulting others. You look like a troll, you walk like a troll, you discuss like a troll. Good faith? No way! - Quistnix (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You don't even know me and you come here accusing me of bad faith and trying to just fuck things up for the fun of it, and you expect me to be nice and polite and shake your hand??? Of course I'm gonna insult you if you insult me, it's simple reciprocity. Eat shit and stay away from my page if you don't like me, instead of wasting your time and mine. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I have noticed that you didn't rename "Nederlands verkeersbord C4 (right).svg" back to its original name "Nederlands verkeersbord C4.svg". It has now a very illogical name: half Dutch, half English. See [4] for the official numbering of the road signs of the Netherlands. I have also noticed that you didn't rename "Zeichen 220-20 (rechts).svg" back to its original and official name "Zeichen 220-20.svg". The renaming of these files was illegitimate according to the guidelines: Commons:File_renaming. So please rename the two files back to their original names. If you are unwilling or unable to rename these files back to their original name, I have to ask for assistance of an administrator. --Bouwe Brouwer (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

If you would like me to rename it so "right" and "left" is in Dutch, I'll be more then happy to do so, but since I don't speak Dutch at all perhaps there's a reason I used English instead, and you would understand if you weren't so prone to bad faith. Unless the Dutch system has a different sign number for the leftwards sign then the right sign like the German system does, we're going to need some way to differentiate the two signs, and using "left" and "right" is a perfectly fine way to do it. If "C4" is the name of the sign whether it's pointing left or right, then both signs will continue to have "left" and "right" in their name, whether it's in English, Dutch, or Chinese for all I care. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Finland Heraldic Crown

Hey Fry - why don't you add the Finnish crown to the "Crown (heraldry)"-page ? Is it not finished yet ? regards JanJC JanJC (talk) 15:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I will add it later today. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Shape of the Cuerpo General anchor

Hello, with all consideration, I guarantee you that I have nothing to do with the reverted edits of User:Wallace CT, but I feel I had to say something. I appreciate your effort of making a cleaner version of my image. But in your image there is an error in the shape of the anchor which has a base that is far too broad. It seems to me that you took the anchor of the Infanteria the Marina badge minus the crossed guns.

However, the Cuerpo General badge had a different shape from the Infanteria the Marina, both during the Republic and during Franco's time. I know this well because I was 19 months in the Infanteria de Marina in Cartagena in the 1970s when they began to change the former badges in favor of the royal badges. Please see this Chapa de gorra de suboficial de la Marina, República for the correct shape of the anchor of the Insignia del Cuerpo General. Here is a medal with the anchor Medalla de la Marina and the gola breastplate of an officer Gola para oficial del Cuerpo General II República. You are welcome to upload a new version of your file after correcting the shape of the anchor. Thanks. Xufanc (talk) 02:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Please stop reverting and putting up that historically incorrect design until you have made the necessary corrections.Xufanc (talk) 02:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, consensus will be required to change the file. Do that. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Why do you vandalize a historically correct image? Why don't you just change the wrong shape of the anchor? Xufanc (talk) 02:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question

Greetings! Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make SVG flags of all these U.S. federal agencies! Just a question, why did you revert the Detroit, Michigan city seal back to the outdated one? Thanks again, and cheers! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 12:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I reverted it because you should not over-write the image with a completely different image. It is also unclear if the version on the flag is the current seal, or just a simplification for the flag itself. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I've checked the Detroit city government website, and the city seal on there appears to be identical to the one found on the flag, albeit in monochrome. If you check out the website, it should be on the bottom right-hand corner of your screen. Cheers! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

SVG Request: FEMA flag (1979-2003)

Greetings again, friend! Would you be so kind as to make an SVG flag for the U.S. FEMA? There is a raster version that can be found here, should you require a referential starting point.

The flag itself simply consists of an organizational seal on a simple opaque background, like most U.S. governmental flags. I'm not sure as to actual dimensions, as I can't seem to find a construction sheet. Luckily, an SVG seal of FEMA can already be found here, so it shouldn't be too difficult. I'd do it myself, but I'm quite lazy and my SVG skills are nowhere near as good as yours.

Also, it pains me to ask for more when you've done so much already, but if you're in the mood, perhaps you could even make an SVG flag for the U.S. DHS (there is also an SVG seal of that on here as well.)? Thanks again and take care! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 20:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I will look at it. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, mate! Cheers! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 21:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I have created the former FEMA flag, but I can not create the current Department of Homeland Security flag, it will not properly load in my inkscape. I believe it is improperly encoded. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for looking into it anyway. The SVG FEMA flag looks very nice! If you ever have any free time on your hands or want to wet your vexillological whistle, there are quite a few U.S. federal government flags that still need vectorizing. Most of these flags are simply the organizational seal on an blank opaque background. Since most of these seals have already been vectorized into SVG, it should make things a wee bit smoother. Anyway, thanks again, and best regards! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 02:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

GhiathArodaki

Hello Fry1989! I blocked and locked this user after he went on a anti-gay rampage. I'd like to apologize, I should have done that earlier. --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 16:53, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw the block about 40 minutes ago. No apology needed, he didn't hurt my feelings. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 18:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Royal succession

You're wrong. The law does not come into force until a commencement order is made by the Lord President of the Council, and that won't happen until all realms have completed the necessary legislative processes. See en:Succession to the Crown Act 2013#Commencement. DrKiernan (talk) 05:54, 23 August 2013 (UTC) I also find it bizarre that you're still stalking my edits. I thought you'd grown out of that. DrKiernan (talk) 05:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Still stalking you? Don't flatter yourself. If I've told you once, I've told you a million times that every day when I sign on to my computer, I go though the latest files gallery and whenever I see something that pertains to my interests, I investigate. Now in this case you know that commencement is only a formality not an obstruction, and there is already precedent here on Commons in other maps to change the colour when a law is passed/signed but comes into effect at a later date. We've done it with the same-sex marriage maps, we've done it with several other topics, and I see no reason not to do it here. I find it really bizarre that you think so highly of yourself that you believe I'm "stalking" you and that you're the deciding factor in why I reverted the map. Fry1989 ^eh? 06:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, if you see something that pertains to me, instead of hitting the revert button with glee, perhaps you should speak to me first in order to prevent misunderstandings? DrKiernan (talk) 06:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

You really, really need to get over yourself. We haven't bumped elbows in months, and suddenly I'm "stalking" you and reverting your edits "with glee". I'd hate to believe you're this cynical when other users cross paths with you randomly. The fact is I am a very strong monarchist, so it would make sense that a map pertaining to royal succession might be of interest to me. And honestly, if I had contacted you instead, I'd probably still get "Why are you stalking me?", "What interest is this to you?", "This is too coincidental to not be deliberate!". Your attitude towards me stinks, and whether you think it was earned or not, you really need to get over it. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I am merely offering you a means of avoiding disputes and misunderstandings in the future. DrKiernan (talk) 18:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

By jumping to irrational conclusions and accusing me of messing around on purpose? Somehow I don't see that as an offer of assistance. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

No, I mean by speaking to me first about why I made the edit. DrKiernan (talk) 20:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

PNG coat of arms categories

What are you and the anonymous IP actually fighting about? Not sure that I currently understand... AnonMoos (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

We're not fighting about anything, where did I say anything about a fight? I only just discovered this last night, but between July 18th-26th (approximately) an anonymous user, using about 5 different IPs, over-categorized coats of arms images. This person created both "PNG coats of arms of..." and "Superseded coats of arms of..". Both are completely unnecessary and create extra hoops to jump through to find things, especially since they made "PNG..." as a subcat of "Superseded...". We have the main category for every country, we have historical categories, and we have specific categories for SVGs. We don't need to single out PNGs, and we certainly don't need to single out files which have a "superior version available" tag. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Heads up

"I'm hoping that they [Fry1989] will dig a big hole by continuing to be offensive." --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 00:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Well isn't Fae delighfully cute. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:07, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Superseded after a few hours?

Is this the the testimony of arrogance? Has the community ruled on this issue, or is this your decision? Please dont touch my work if you do not want to make a meaningful improvement. If you think it's a matter of taste, tastes differ. If you think the image is incorrect, the image that you prefer in not correct, the correct colour of the mantle should be Purple not Firered. --Henk Boelens (talk) 05:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you have a streak of arrogance yourself! Good day. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Cannot remember

Hello, Fry. I know we had a strong disagreement in the past, yet I cannot remember any details. I’d like to locate it, to refresh my memory — any ideas? -- Tuválkin ✉ 08:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid I do not recall any negative run-in with you. If it happened, perhaps it wasn't as big of a deal as we both thought at the time. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I also wish to thank you for your defence against this unjust block. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Kindly knock it off

Kindly knock it off with the snobbish attitude and the personal attacks: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Logo del Partido Cristiano de Austria.png. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't care what you think of my attitude, you have no idea what I've gone through with this user. As for personal attacks, I have stated none, what I've done is state facts. Basic text and signatures are two different things but repeatedly this user tries to make false comparisons in their DRs and it is dishonest. If they can not understand these differences (as they freely admit), they should take some time aside to broaden their understanding of copyright. It is indeed harmful for someone to !vote in a DR when they do not truly understand the differences, and you know that's true whether I said it diplomatically or not. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

IceTV Pty Limited v Nine Network Australia Pty Limited

Since you and I have been discussing COM:TOO#Australia in a couple of deletion discussions recently, maybe you find this court ruling from 2009 interesting. What is your interpretation of the court ruling? Do you think that it affects Commons, and if so, how? In particular, what is your interpretation of section 188? --Stefan4 (talk) 22:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I also apologize for being a dick to you, but I get rather frustrated when assumptions are all we have and people act like that's just as good as solid evidence.

The specific mention that there must be some "creative spark" or exercise of "skill and judgment" before a work is sufficiently "original" for the subsistence of copyright certainly suggests to me that the Australian threshold of originality is more complex then just basic shapes and letters, and it sounds similar in language to the United States' threshold which requires "sufficient creativity". The fact that the judge in the Australian Aboriginal Flag case stated that the matter of TOO was not argued fully and that he would not state an opinion on the matter leads me to believe that the copyright for the flag is actually invalid based on TOO requirements and was granted for some other reason (probably political sensitivity). It's really the only way I can interpret this, I can not see how that flag meets both "creative spark" and an exercise of "skill and judgment" when honestly a school child could have come up with it. Australian TOO is certainly somewhere, and no doubt less broad than it's American counterpart, and we don't know where either, but surely not with that flag based on the language we now have in case law. I'd like to know how you feel about this language as well because if I'm the only one who thinks this way, I fear I'm going insane. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that a particularly interesting sentence is this: "It may be that the reasoning in Desktop Marketing with respect to compilations is out of line with the understanding of copyright law over many years." The court seems to suggest that earlier court rulings may be wrong and the result of a misunderstanding of the originality criterion. Both parties (IceTV and Nine) thought that the Weekly Schedule was a copyrighted literary work, and the "Conclusions" section suggests that the court therefore was unable to claim that the Weekly Schedule was too simple, but that the court didn't really find it very original. You should also pay attention to the footnotes in the sentence that you quoted above: footnotes 197 and 198 point at important court rulings from the United States and Canada. The court might mean that the United States and Canada have done a "better" work in interpreting the originality criterion and that Australian courts should look more at those cases, and not so much at the Desktop Marketing case[5], where an Australian court appears to have rejected the American case Feist v. Rural. I think that the court ruling suggests a shift in the interpretation of originality in Australia, but I don't know how much the ruling changes. Also, this was about a literary work - Commons is more interested in artistic works, and it may be difficult to tell how big effect the court ruling has on artistic works. More investigation is needed.

I have not read the entire court ruling from the flag case, but the beginning of it suggests that none of the parties questioned that the flag was a copyrighted artistic work and that the case instead was a dispute about who the copyright holder was. In that case, the court may have been focused on the wrong things and might not have questioned whether the originality criterion was satisfied or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Then you are seeing what I am seeing. If that is true, it is imperative we remove the Aboriginal Flag case from the Australian entry for TOO on Commons. I'm not sure where we would start such a discussion, but would you be willing to work with me on that? I would also be extremely thankful if you would be willing to retract the DR and re-nominate the more obvious violations such as File:Victoria W6-V101.svg which have to go, while holding back on the more questionable ones based on these findings. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I have commented there. One thing I noted was that the flag case suggests that the originality criterion was changed in 1990 but that the IceTV case suggests that the originality criterion was defined in the Copyright Act 1912 and that it has been unchanged since then.

You may also find Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Rugby league jerseys interesting. If that one closes as delete, I'm wondering if it would have the effect that we can't host photos of Australians wearing clothes. That would be very devastating. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

That's the point I am trying to make to LGA, that this has transformed into something much bigger than a few files, this relates to almost all Australian content we have right down to practically anything that doesn't have an explicit exemption from copyright. We need to know the truth, not assumptions. Unfortunately LGA is having none of it and is sticking to the guns of "the flag is copyrighted, end of story" even though it very well could have not been properly adjudicated on the matter of TOO and we now have actual case law that suggests that. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding a revision of the list, may I suggest the following images be removed? Please let me know if you have any objections. I'm a bit iffy on the children diagram but figured I'd include them and see what you say. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that it would be better to close the deletion request for now and try to figure out what the IceTV case changes. It gets very messy if the outcome is "keep some, delete some" and different users disagree on what "some" refers to. I note that some of the images are very similar to images from other countries, for example File:Australia W5-42 (L).svg which is similar to File:UK traffic sign 559.svg. I'm not sure if it would be wise if I change or restructure the deletion discussion too much, though: lots of different users have expressed different opinions in that discussion. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm open to that, and will be more than happy to work with you at a later date on which ones need to be deleted. Thank you for being understanding and again I do apologize for being an ass before. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Australian signs

Hi, I left my opinion at the deletion request opened for Australian road signs to support keeping the signs here. I hope my opinion contributes to keep the symbols hosted at Commmons. I'm aware of your interest and multiple contributions to the traffic signs issue. Regards, - Fma12 (talk) 20:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, the more help to save these the better. Even if they are deleted though, I won't stop my drive to keep contributing in this field. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:27, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Ukrainian road signs

Around 2 years ago, I moved a lot of free images from en.wiki here to the Commons, including a ton of Ukrainian road signs. You recently nominated them all for deletion, with the description "Originally uploaded by a sock. Better version that is properly sourced is available." (To see what images I mean, just look at my talk page.)

Now I personally don't care whether a sockpuppeteer uploaded them or not, but if we have categorically better replacement images, then there's no need to keep these. Unfortunately, you didn't mention which images could replace them. What images do you think would replace these Ukranian road sign images? And are you certain that there exists a replacement for each one you nominated for deletion? All the best, – Quadell (talk) 14:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes I'm sure I uploaded them myself. All you have to do is look in the same category as the nominated files, they are all there and all sourced properly and all better resolution. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, yes, it looks like your gif versions are clearly better than these jpg versions, and your license is much more likely to be correct. No objections to deletion. Thanks! – Quadell (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page

Did it even occured to you that I may have other things to do ? Like sleeping, working, stuff like that. Have a look at my contributions.

Please, please, understand that I have absolutely nothing against you. But you seem to take things personnaly quite easily and to react quickly. May I advise you to try to cool down ? There is no real deadline, and the two minutes one take to calm down a little are not putting the project at risk. When you see something that annoys or upset you, step away form the computer, go grab a glass of water, pet your cat or whatever suits you, and come back a little bit later. You are a valuable contributor, but saying things like "FUCK YOU" or asking for a "real" admin is not helping you. People tend to avoy drama, and your nickname is often linked with complicated drama, where both sides have their wrongs. You would really help your case, and the work of the admins, if you let the insults and strongs words to the other side.

I hope this message will clarify the situation.

Pleclown (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Warning - continuing personal attacks

Hi Fry1989, I see you are going on with your personal attacks, directed to users and admins. Please be informed that you may get blocked, if this doesn't stop now. (You don't need to respond to this message.) Jcb (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Care to explain what personal attacks I have committed? I simply pointed out that a user insisting on being polite has themselves called another user "stupid", "arrogant" and "troll" repeatedly, and pointing out that as much as you claim to be uninvolved, you have involved yourself to some degree. I've called nobody names, I've simply pointed out the facts. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Of course, you have no interest in understanding my outrage. Why I am so pissed off that when I report personal attacks that I am a victim of, they are ignored or even worse excused. Why I am so mad that you prematurely closed my AN for these repeated personal attacks instead of just letting it die and be auto-archived which probably would have been it's natural course as clearly no other admins were interested in addressing my complaint. Why I am so angry that now I'm being threatened with some sort of punishment for pointing out the facts of this situation. Why I am so pissed that you said you "aren't involved" in my "conflict" when it was never about my disagreement with that user but simply about their repeated attacks of calling me stupid and troll and arrogant in 4 DIFFERENT INSTANCES and receiving no sort of warning or block or sanction which I am now being threatened with! No, you're not interested in understanding why I am so outraged at all! Fry1989 ^eh? 21:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

(after EC) E.g. saying "you're a fool" is a personal attack. And no, I have not personally involved myself. You are pretending that I am involved. Be advised that I consider myself sufficiently uninvolved to block you or to block your opponent if needed. I don't accept any more personal attack from your opponent either. Jcb (talk) 21:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Excluding of course the initial part of "if", had you quoted me in full context it would sound significantly different. In any case, why did you have to force close my AN? I want to know why? That user attacked me 3 times, with no sort of response for that behaviour and you just close it? Do you have any idea why that makes me mad? Any at all? I doubt it, or at least you aren't showing any empathy. I was in disagreement with that user yes, but I never personally attacked them, never called them names, and when they do it to me completely out of the blue and uncalled for, I essentially get told I earned it. As I said, your people are supposed to suppress these things, not excuse them and not encourage them and not ignore them because the victim happens to be known for "drama". Fry1989 ^eh? 21:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

There is also the issue of that because of your premature closure and the lack of response to the first three attacks, the user felt safe enough to do it a fourth time, and finally they get a warning but it's so light it's basically a tap on the hand saying "we don't like such things here, please be nice". Do you care about that either? You don't care one inch about why I'm so angry right now, what caused me to get to this level of outrage, you just act like "here we here" and now you can put out the fire with a few blanket threats of blocks and that will calm everyone down. Had you or one of your colleagues done something proactive like a solid warning or temporary block which I can promise would have happened if it was any other user than myself, this whole thing could have been avoided. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Sahrawi National Council logo or emblem

Hello, I've seen your great job in making SVG images of national legislatures logos or emblems, so I want to ask you if you could make the SVG image of the [Sahrawi National Council] logo or emblem. I could only bring you two images of the logo wich are not very clear and detailed, but I hope you could do the job:

• [6]
• [7]

Any doubt or question about it, contact me. Regards, --HCPUNXKID (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Sadly I would not be able to make that, it is too complex for my abilities. I would recommend a Graphic Lab request as your best chance. I apologize. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Calixtus III

Excuse my ignorance in Wikimedia. I didn't want to steal Adelbrecht's job, of course. How can I do to use his design, more simple into the way of Heraldry, without shadows and grading colors? Thank you for your help. Best regards, --Echando una mano (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

My issue is not that you are re-using Adelbrecht's work, but the reasoning. You are taking what you like from it and leaving behind what you don't like from it, all because you disagree with the source for File:Coat of Arms of Pope Callixtus III.svg, and you keep removing it from projects. That is why I think what you are doing is wrong. I won't stop you again, but I still don't think it's right what you are doing. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:28, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply. Regards, --Echando una mano (talk) 14:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Excuseme, why do you write "vandalism" and revert my modificacion? I have made a new desing, according the Ingeram codex and all the examples of this coat of arms. The ox is grazing, and in the other design not. --Echando una mano (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You are a vandal. You're removing the image because you don't like it. You have no proper sources proving the Codex is fake. Stop your vandalism. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen the new design? The desing is according the Ingeram codex: ox grazing. Where is the ox grazing in Aldebrecht's design? I'm not a vandal for putting the correct coat of arms. --Echando una mano (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You do not have any proof Adelbrecht's design is wrong! All you have is that you think it's wrong and you don't like it. You're vandalizing these pages based on a matter of preference, stop it! Fry1989 ^eh? 20:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You don't have evidences about that. I'm not vandalizing anything. The ox have to have the head down, eating the grass. If you have any evidence with ox with the head stand up, please, show me. If not, let me make the changes. --Echando una mano (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Adelbrecht's file is an accurate representation of the Codex image. You have claimed it's not correct, but you haven't proven that at all. And now you're taking the parts of Adelbrecht's work that you liked and are leaving behind what you don't like about it. You don't like the Codex version, and that's why you're doing this. Stop your vandalism now! Fry1989 ^eh? 20:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not taking parts from the work of anybody. My desing is all new. No Adelbretch's work. And you're writing things without evidence. I only change the design of Aldelbrecht because it's not according the laws of Heraldry. --Echando una mano (talk) 20:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You "heraldic experts" are all the same. If something doesn't fit your "laws", you think that gives you the right to call something "wrong" or "fake" and to remove it from pages where it's being used. Your laws aren't the laws for all of us, and just because something doesn't fit your laws or rules or whatever else you want to call them, you don't get to impose your will on us. You can't impose your laws of heraldry on Wikimedia, you can't impose them on the Pope, you can't impose them on anyone. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you know why I was originally interested in heraldry? Because it was fun, it's a work of art and beautiful and interesting. But whenever an image does something against the "laws" or "rules", experts like you remove it or change it or say it can't be right because it doesn't follow what it's supposed to. People who do that make it not fun anymore, people who do that turn me off from what was one of my first true interests. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

And do you know why there are rules in Heraldry, Wikipedia or Commons and in the true life? Because if not all would be an anarchy. --Echando una mano (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The rules are a joke, and people like you take them way too seriously like it's a matter of life and death. So somebody uses two colours that aren't supposed to touch according to your laws, does that hurt anyone? No. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:56, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I missed this dispute in my absence. The design of Echando una mano both violates copyright (check the outline of the shield and the grass field), and is extremely anachronistic. The supposed rules he tries to impose do not exist, as evidenced by both the Ingeram codex and recent papal heraldry. Lemmens, Tom (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Verkehrszeichen

Bitte unterlasse Deine falschen Änderungen. Die Quellenangabe ist eindeutig. Es galt das Farbtonregister 840 B 2 f. MEINE Quellen habe ich in den Zusammenfassungen angegeben. DU bist mir das schuldig geblieben. Mediatus (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Please show the source, because I don't think it's correct. Your colours are faded and actual signs from the period are different. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, my English is bad. Es galt das "Farbtonregister 840 B 2 f". MEINE Quellen habe ich in den Zusammenfassungen angegeben!

• RAL 6 (rot) = RAL 2001 (Rotorange)
• RAL 24 (gelb) = RAL 2007 (Leuchthellorange)
• RAL 32 h (blau) = RAL 5002 (Ultramarinblau)
• RAL 1 (weiß) = RAL 9002 (Grauweiß)
• RAL 5 (schwarz) = RAL 9005 (Tiefschwarz)

And yes, I have the source: Reichsgesetzblatt, Jahrgang 1937, Nr. 56, Tag der Ausgabe: Berlin, 16. November 1937, p. 1195.

Look here for the coulors: [[8]].

I have written all to the coulors at my article: [[9]] Mediatus (talk) 18:59, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Question

Fry, you're the local expert on flags and Coats of Arms. Can you please explain Commons:Deletion requests/File:University of Cambridge coat of arms official.svg to me?

My understanding is that with an heraldic coat of arms, every representation drawn from the blazon has a new copyright. This is because the artist who actually draws the representation can make many choices of how to draw a lion or any of the other details. Only a representation drawn by copying another representation would be a DW.

If that is true, then why isn't this one a problem? It's an SVG, so it can't have been drawn before 1998. The source and author are given as University of Cambridge, so no one has licensed this representation to Commons.

What am I missing? Why doesn't this representation have a recent copyright owned by Cambridge? Thanks, .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I share your understanding of COM:COA and DW. The reason I voted for it to stay is based on probability. The extreme age of the image, nearly 900 years, makes it extremely likely that this SVG is a derivative of an original drawing old enough to be PD by age. Now as I admitted, I could be wrong, but if you weigh it on a scale 70 years vs 742, you can see which is more heavy. There is no proof one way or the other, but the precautionary principle requires "significant doubt" and I don't see any reason for significant doubt. However, I freely admit I'm probably recognized here as one of the more liberal interpreters of our licenses and regulations. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

(smiling) Yes, certainly, to your last, but I agree with you most of the time. We seem to disagree mostly on logos, and the ToO line is so hazy that I'm recently just avoiding them when I can.

As to the question, thank you, I understand. What you're saying is that while the SVG nominally might have a new copyright, it is likely beyond a significant doubt that it was drawn using one of the PD examples as a model. That certainly makes sense given that it was created by someone at Cambridge who probably intended to make an SVG that looked as much as possible like the familiar seal, rather than taking the liberties permitted by the blazon system to introduce new lions or other features, thereby raising eyebrows all over the University. Thanks again, .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

File:Flag of the United States Department of Homeland Security.svg

Why did you increase the size of that file by over ten times? -- AnonMoos (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I thought my edit summary of "proportions" was rather self-explanatory. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

If you bloat a file's size from 40kb to 502kb with no discernible increase in detail, then that's generally a sign that something has gone significantly wrong, and it should make you pause and consider whether you really want to upload such a file... AnonMoos (talk) 07:07, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Not everyone is so file size-obsessed as yourself and a few others. You have every right to be concerned about such things and to try and reduce it on files, but please don't expect everyone to be held to the same regard or to be as concerned. Sure it's ideal to have a small file size, but I care about other things such as accuracy to a much higher level then I could ever care about a bunch of bytes. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually not as "file-size obsessed" as is Sarang, and some others, and am not necessarily greatly discommoded by an increase in filesize from 40k to 56k. However, as a simple matter of minimal pride in craftmanship (i.e. the desire not to upload embarrassing junk where it's publicly visible to all), I would think that an increase in filesize by 1250% with no discernible increase in detail should be reason to give any SVG file author pause... AnonMoos (talk) 20:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't really care about the size here, but the color seems to have changed. What is the reasoning behind that, if I may so ask? Also, out of curiosity, where did you get the proportion specifications? Thanks, regards, Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I have changed the color back, but kept the new proportions. Regards, Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 11:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The proportions are based on observation. As for the flags I can't do, I can't make the Energy Department or the Commerce Department. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see what I can do about them. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 00:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The SVG seals have been fixed. Enjoy! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

File:Koninklijk wapen van het koninkrijk der Nederlanden.svg

If you want to remove a stripe under a category of one picture, than remove them by all pictures in that same category, not just one, ok? Henk Boelens (talk) 20:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You are screwing around with a deliberate style of sorting so that all the same images by one user are together. You stop it! Fry1989 ^eh? 20:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

For your information, I've did have make a block request for editwarring. --Henk Boelens (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawn, I dont care anymore. Enjoy ;-) Grtz. --Henk Boelens (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you fucking nuts??? I've already explained to you that the type of sorting was deliberate so that the 10 files by Sodacan, which are a set, can be together. Categories naturally organize files alphabetically, and this was deliberate so that the 10 are together. You are so proud of your own work and so arrogant that you want yours to be the "cream of the crop" in equal preference, that you are interfering and causing your works to be in the middle of that set of ten. I tried to appease you by giving yours a similar sorting so they are together without interfering in Sodacan's 10 images, and what I get for it is a block request? What I want to say about you right now would get me blocked, I'll tell you that! Fry1989 ^eh? 17:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Australian flag

Hi, thanks for your consideration towards me. I want to read all the discussion before leaving my feedback on Melbourne flag, although I have no doubts that this simple flag should be kept on Commons. But I want to see what kind of arguments give the nominator and the other users (specially who vote "no") to support the request.

On the other hand, I'm really sorry for the deletion of the Australian road signs. I can't still understand how road signs can be deleted for the only reason to have "non simple elements" like a public information symbol? (which are already placed here). As a matter of fact, AIGA symbol signs are in the public domain, so the deletion has no sense for me.

Are you going to upload those signs again (with other license)? Probably the {{PD-AIGA}} could be used for some specific signs... If you need some assistance, please contact me, I'd be glad to help you. Thanks again. - Fma12 (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Serafimerorden

When I noticed the problem when I read your message I thought It was a pity, that collection of coats was really wonderful. Don't feel bad thinking about a different end if some of us had participated, as I told you, I couldn't give you with solid reasons because I don't know if a photo of a public shown work with possible copyright is or isn't banned, and probably other users have though like me. In my opinion the reason for deletion was solid. The problem (again) is the time, most of deletions are done really quicly and it could be a problem, like in this case

• It could help you: Most of Serafimerorden wapens

Individual:

• Video very importatn because President Anibal Cavaco Silva of Portugal used a exception the coat of the Republic but shield party per pale with personal arms VERY USEDFUL SEE IT. Romanian presidents the same arms of Romania, in both cases.

• [10] Sverige orders at the King's arms

• [11] A mix (probably deceased members)

• [12] Bulgarian President

• [13] French presidents De Gaulle (French resistence arms not maternal as you can see at the message), Loubet, Faillieres, Poincare and Jules Grevy (blanc arms)

• Princess Liliand of Sweden (Passed away march 2013)
• [14] Haile Selassie
• [15] Late grand duchess of Luxembourg
• [16]Farouk of Egypt.
• [17] Mubarak, President of Egypt.
• [18] Rudholm
• [19] Heinemann and Walter Scheel, West German President
• [20] Napoleon and Carnot, French President

Text is in Swedish but I think it is easy identification names. Copy-paste (specially presidents of Republics) the name at the Wiki if you don't know nothing about the owner. Notice the members of the Swedish royal family have more than one Order Collar at theirs arms. I hope this link can help you. I'm finishing something related (not swedish)... Best regards--Heralder (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I can't help you because I doing two things, coming soon and after then there are a lot of coats of SPA provinces and cities. I think now Adelbrecht is busy too, probably Mathieu C. talk can do it. I recommend you keep the links, keeping the info is the most important (as you can see in a video the arms of Portugese President is an exception and web resorces could be deleted too)

I've seen the list, it is better forget the decesaded members, it would be impossible because the current list is too long. (Relevant membrers like Napoleon, Wilhelm II, De Gaulle or Mandela could be a good decision but I think no more than 5 it could be enough).

I recomend you to know the number of the coats, beginning from the Swedish royals and longer time members as criteria (this criteria is used to order the coats of knights at chambers) and divide this number because there is a lot of work and it could be exhausting.

Other option is making bad quality coats (avoiding future problems if the web resources will lose) and ask for a hand of other users to improve the images little by little.

And please see the video, it's very interesting the variant of Portugese President with the Country arms party per pale with his personal arms. I never see it, and I`ve been several times in Lisbon and the presidential seal (the Nation arms) and his standard don't show these personal components. Romanian presidents used the arms of the country without differences. I don't know the reasons.

Regards.--Heralder (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Standards

I find more standards of heads of state.

For example: The flag of the Guinean president (replaced the old one with )

Flag of the Palauan president (replace that one too with a golden

Togolese presidental flag (replace with FG letters since Faure Gnassingbé was president)

Flag of the President of Mauritius (detals of the design)

President of Senegal's flag (look carefully at this picture)

Nigerian presidental flag

Sri Lankan President's flag

Royal standard of Brunei

Convert the flags of svg:

174.91.68.16 01:08, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I won't be able to make any of those. They have elements that I can't draw. If you request them in the Graphic Lab, there are people there who can help you. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

ORDERS AND SPA CoA's

Hello again

SanglierT gave me a huge favour with Galica electronic resources about the Crest variants of the Castilian Realms, these're the results, crest variants of Castile have been changed according the new sources:

• 
  Crown of Castile
• 
  Castile
• 
  León
• 
  Galicia (Commonly crest variant has been done before, it's better no more variants)
• 
  Toledo
• 
  Seville
• 
  Cordoba
• 
  Aragon (Commonly used crest variant has been done before, it's better no more variants)

Seraphinen Order Armorial is becoming the most popular matter, Dunkerqueenflandre and F5JMH are doing amazing versions of the Seraphinen.

I thought, an armorial of the knights of an order, it was a good idea but... What's about the other most famous orders, the Garter and the Golden Fleece? So I decided create the armorial of these orders current members. I'm sorry for the Austrian Fleece, there're a lot of membrers These're the results:

• Category:Coats of arms of the current members of the Garter
• en:Order of the Garter#Armorial of the Order of the Garter

• Category:Coats of arms of membrers of the Spanish Golden fleece after 1999
• en:Order of the Golden Fleece#Armorial of the Spanish Golden Fleece

Best regards.--Heralder (talk) 00:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)