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TUSC token 70dfd90b6e52c9080a8e30c0dd592336[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! 70dfd90b6e52c9080a8e30c0dd592336 Geo Swan (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Dealing with URAA[edit]

Hi, I see you have run into URAA issues with some otherwise-useful images. I've started a new policy that might help in such cases, at Commons:Hosting of content released to the public domain globally. Could you have a look, and also add your thoughts to the talk page? I hope you will support it! --MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Sysop[edit]

Have you ever considered becoming a sysop for Commons? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

:( I guess that's a "no". --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry! I have been thinking about it. It is a big responsibility. Geo Swan (talk) 06:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Cockit[edit]

Please, could you participate in the discussion at Category talk:Cockit of USCG Defender class boat where the solution is blocked by your dissent? Do you insist on the opinion that "cockit" should be not fixed to "cockpits"? --ŠJů (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done Geo Swan (talk) 06:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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File:Waitress and patrons at 'Hooters'.jpg / Category:Tights in stage performance[edit]

I added an rather extensive category description to Category:Tights in stage performance. Will do the same for the remaining. Although English is not my mother tang. As far as I am aware all three points often apply to the "plain old waitress" when it comes to Hooters. Including dancing. Besides, is there any category for men's legwear ?

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  • I wrote to the flickr uploader, who said that the {{flickrreview}} robot, and User:Denniss, couldn't find the image due to some routine maintenance they had done. They apologized and said they had moved it back. I'll see if that worked. Geo Swan (talk) 16:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Files from booledozer[edit]

I have uploaded the following from booledozer at Flickr:
File:Wilson TTC 10294029264.jpg, File:Wilson TTC 10294001314.jpg, File:Wilson TTC 10293947346.jpg, File:Wilson TTC 10293853114.jpg, File:Spadina TTC YUS 10293410873.jpg, File:Spadina TTC walkway 10293260155.jpg, File:Spadina TTC YUS 10293282036.jpg and File:Spadina TTC 10293767856.jpg. Please update the information at Flickr for me. Note that the pictures you annotated as "Inside Downsview TTC" were actually taken at Wilson station.
I have selected only the better quality images and those which might help to illustrate the subject matter. George - I thank you again. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 00:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
  • WRT File:Spadina TTC walkway 10293260155.jpg -- how long would you say this walkway is? The plans for the LRT station at Mount Dennis have the LRT platform separated from the 15 bay busbay by a walkway 230 or 250 metres long. I don't know, that seems like a pretty long walk -- several minutes. I would like the TTC make sure internal walks like that were all less than 1 minute. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Is booledozer your acount at Flickr? Just asking because your image is a dupe of a booledozer image. Don't know which one to keep. --Denniss (talk) 10:26, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes, I logged that with OTRS in 2012. I only upload my best images to the commons. Since 2012 I started to try to upload all my images to flickr, kind of like a b-roll.
At some point I started to add a link to the OTRS ticket to each image I uploaded from flickr. Once I have uploaded the image to flickr, it is easier to let flickrreview handle the details, than it is to upload it directly, as I can upload a 600px version, and let flickrreview upload the full resolution version.
I regret wasting people's time on those occasions I don't manage my images well, and upload duplicates. Sorry.
On my wishlist for flickrreview is for it to check the base URL of each image, and see if any existing images use that image. If it did this first, it could prevent the uploading of duplicates.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 06:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I placed a {{duplicate}} on the earlier image, where I would normally do that with the later image, but its title claimed it was the Samuel Risley. It is not the Samuel Risley, which has a long low quarter-deck and a huge crane for buoy tending. Geo Swan (talk) 06:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

{{File:RESPONDENTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS -- Case 1-04-cv-01166-RJL Document 103 Filed 04-19-07.pdf}}[edit]

{{File:RESPONDENTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS -- Case 1-04-cv-01166-RJL Document 103 Filed 04-19-07.pdf}} And also:

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  • ✓ Done 16:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Scarborough / Birchmount[edit]

Did you catch this [1] of Birchmount Loop, among the others you recently uploaded from Birch Cliff News? A smaller version is also shown on [2] another page that you have used. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I did see it. It is a lovely image. But unlike some of the other images, I didn't think there were enough clues as to its date. I am too young to remember ever riding on them, but the TTC continued to use the Peter Witt cars well into the 1950s. The TTC used Witt cars on Yonge, up until the opening of the Yonge subway.
You are right. The car and fashion could be 50s. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
So, I thought it could be an image that did not qualify for {{PD-Canada}}. Geo Swan (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Are you aware of en:Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace? Kind of mistake? --Markscheider (talk) 17:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Apologies[edit]

Hi Geo Swan, AK here. I know this comes a little late since I have been unblocked since late December last year, but anyways my sincere apologies over my stubbornness and attacks against you during the deletion requests a few months back. I hope you can put the past behind (like I've done) and forgive me for my misdeeds. Cheers. (✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎) 13:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I have written an essay about apologies -- w:User:Geo Swan/on apologies. In it I said I consider a candid and accurate description of what someone recognizes they did wrong as far more important than actual apology. Arctic Kangaroo's apology here is worthless, because they haven't shown that they understood what they did wrong. On User talk:Arctic Kangaroo I suggested the most important thing they did wrong was act as a gatekeeper at articles for creation, where they turned down hundreds of drafts of new articles -- without the competence and experience to do so meaningfully. I suggested AK apologize to those hundreds of newbies. Geo Swan (talk) 21:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Please check this file you uploaded, does not seem to be the real page 30 --Denniss (talk) 23:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Construction excavations[edit]

Hi Geo Swan. See Category:Construction excavations. Best regards, --JMCC1 (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Photographs by Geo Swan[edit]

Perhaps you should explain on your user page that booledozer and OldYorkGuy are also you. It is confusing to tag photos apparently taken by other people as your own. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:06, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

In 2012 I started leaving a reference to this OTRS ticket OTRS ticket 2012092210003274 on all images uploaded from flickr and panoramio. It confirms that booledozer and OldYorkGuy are my ID at flickr and panoramio. I thought that would be sufficient. Geo Swan (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
You can't read that without an OTRS password. It's hidden from regular editors and we don't know what it says. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done Geo Swan (talk) 02:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


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Gbawden (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Noted. Will in future let the discussion run to close Gbawden (talk) 06:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Great! Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Toronto locations[edit]

If you are unsure about the location of another person's picture you are uploading - just ask me. I know Toronto very well and can usually work it out. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

  • I also uploaded full size COTA versions of some of your recent uploads. If you need help with that I can find them for you, if they exist. They are not always scanned or available.

95 Berkley Street[edit]

95 Berkley Street with perspective adjusted.jpg
95 Berkeley Street, Toronto, 2013 08 17 -a.jpg


When we can't get far away from a building to take a photograph, the perspective makes the top appear narrower than the base and look as if it is toppling over. This can be adjusted with freely available software. I have not completely squared this building since that makes it look a little unreal.
Hope you like what I did. I think this restores the solid feel to the structure. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

  • That's interesting. What tools did you use?
Your retouched image looks fine, I would have no reservation using it to illustrate 95 Berkeley, other than I think the shots that show two facades are better, and they make clear the building is longer than it is wide.
It's nice you thought about my opinion. Technically, of course, once someone has put the image in the public domain, or licensed it under a free license, it wouldn't matter if they didn't like a retouched image.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey neighbour! This is a collaborative project.
You seem to enjoy creating a collection of mutiple images or panoramas, while I prefer to focus on getting a good picture to illustrate something specific on Wikipedia. I used GIMP for this, but there are other freeware programs that I also use depending on what is required. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
  • If you are going to do an article about this building, do you want me to straighten up one of the other images? Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Smooth_O (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

PD images[edit]

Dear George,

Did you know that if you place an image into the public domain, you could lose the right to be attributed for an image you took? That is why I personally prefer a cc by or cc by sa license because at least I get some attribution. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 04:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern.
I used to use a gfdl or a cc license, but my friend Sherurcij was putting his images into the public domain. I remembered somebody who said something about how the person who lost interest in being recognized could accomplish more than if they insisted on being credited.
Maybe I was influenced by False Geber -- I wrote a pair of essays where I called him "the very first sockpuppet". If I count all the images I have uploaded to flickr I have placed over 10,000 images in the public domain. There may be some images, someday, that I chose to release under a more restrictive free license than PD.
The real risk of using a PD license is something I read about on comp.risks several decades ago. An author who had written some seminal papers in some field -- back when that field was young, described being accused of plagiarism. Electronic tools that detected plagiarism were at fault.
He had applied for a job somewhere, that required him to submit samples of his work. He had supplied electronic copies of these seminal papers. The tool his potential employers used to detect if he was a plagiarist checked his paper against other papers from his field -- papers that had been published in electronic form. But his seminal papers dated back to before any of the papers were published in electronic form. His work was so important later writers had quoted passages from it. When the plagiarism detecting tool encountered those passage in his original papers, they found that it included passages that were duplicates of passages from papers in its database. When he was rejected as a plagiarist no one thought to check the papers he was said to have plagiarized, or they would have seen that the passage in questions were in fact quotes from his own original papers.
So, images I placed in the public domain may be used to accuse me of plagiarism someday. I find that wire services routinely place public domain images in their library, and then claim to own the IP rights to those images.
I am not one of those people who google themselves. But when I came under criticism by some of WMF contributors who post criticisms of other WMF contributors at the wikipedia review and similar sites. In doing so I came across some of my images, that were attributed to me, or to both me and the WMF. Sadly, I also came across lots of images, attributed to me, that I had merely uploaded to the commons r45edffrom somewhere else, where some good faith third party had mistakenly thought I owned the IP rights.
Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Well at least you know what you are doing. Sometimes I do a google search under my username here and find images that I marked but which I don't own the copyright to. Sometimes people give attribution to me when I only just marked an image but anyone who investigates the photo further on wiki or commons can see that I don't own the rights to it. PS: This is the only photo which I uploaded from my flickr account to Commons since its a rare object. Goodnight, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:48, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I CC0 all my few thousand pictures on grounds that any restriction on use will require thought on the part of the user and, since credit is unimportant to me, this wastes thought that could better be applied to more useful questions. Several times per year I am pleasantly surprised, however, to find some website attributing a pic to me anyway. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Bad name for "Coffee Time" categories[edit]

Category:Coffeertime at the corner of Parliament and Richmond and Category:Coffeetime at the corner of Princess Street and The Esplanade. have problematic names and obvious spelling errors. Secondarywaltz (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I have no emotional attachment to these names. Did you have alternate names in mind?
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
These could just be eliminated since a separate category for every individual coffee shop in Toronto, each containing only a minimal number of files, is not required. The ones of the building on Parliament Street do not show a coffee shop. The structure of that category tree was also incomplete. I have extended it so that there is now a parent Category:Coffee Time and I added Category:Timothy's World Coffee to cover that chain too. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
WMF projects lack good mechanisms for organizing non-article context, like images.
Categories suck, for a lot of reasons. But, right now, they are all we have, so I use them with some reluctance.
With regard to the images of the former coffeetime -- I know that, over on flickr, which also lacks good mechanisms for sorting, I have multiple before images, from the 20 plus years that building did operate as a coffeetime.
You wrote: "These could just be eliminated since a separate category for every individual coffee shop in Toronto, each containing only a minimal number of files, is not required."
If our uploaders were all employees, not volunteers, we could be forced to use a standard name for every image, names that encoded what the image was about, where it was taken, when it was taken, and a serial number, to distinguish it from similar images taken at the same time and place. This would be terrible on a human factors level, as viewers would expect that iconic images should have iconic names. But it would have the advantage that a lot of the organizing would be incorporated into the name.
In fact a great many images, probably more than half, have idiosyncratic names. Many uploaders just re-use the original, idiosyncratic, personal name, the picture-taker took. While categories may not always have the best name, they are almost always better named than images -- and so they are more useful for content organizing.
I've disagreed with some contributors over how to categorize our content, when they seem to think our organizing of images should follow the classification models librarians use, or the classification models taxonomists use. Those models are two-dimensional. Taxonomy has been a highly successful classification scheme, but it is exceptional, and unlike images, because of the way genetic inheritance works.
You follow my talk page, so you have probably seen me urge people to read my essay w:User:Geo Swan/nothing is obvious. Have you read it? What I find, in discussions of how things should be organized, that, at base, a lot of people's arguments rest on a base of "it's obvious". Is it obvious that categories that contain just a single element are a bad thing? I don't think so. If it helps people find the content they want, it is a good thing.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
P.S. WRT your original concern over the names Category:Coffeertime at the corner of Parliament and Richmond and Category:Coffeetime at the corner of Princess Street and The Esplanade. -- would that concern be addressed if the categories were named, instead, Category:Coffee Time at the corner of Parliament and Richmond and Category:Coffee Time at the corner of Princess Street and The Esplanade? Geo Swan (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Do whatever you want. We all make mistakes, and I have made another one here. You obviously have problems that I can't help you with. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I have been flattered that you thought my uploads were worth looking at. Thanks. On the other hand I am afraid that some of your comments can be interpreted as lapsing from common politeness. We are all volunteers here. You don't have to read my essay on obviousness. You don't have to finish reading my reply to you. Your use of the phrase that I "have problems that I can't help you with" -- it could be interpreted as a mean-spirited comment on my mental health.
As we are all volunteers here, none of us is obliged to help anyone with financial advice, dating advice, mental health advice, or any other advice not directly related the project related issues. On the other hand, when people seek advice on non-project related issues, some level of helpfully intended comments, on user talk pages, is okay.
Unsolicited comments like yours above? Probably not OK. If you genuinely think another contributor has a non-project related problem -- but they didn't ask for help with it, and you have no interest in helping them -- why not just keep that opinion to yourself?
You are a very valuable contributor here, and if only you curbed this tendency, you would be an even more valuable contributor. Geo Swan (talk) 19:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I believe the following is in response to this request I left on User talk:Secondarywaltz. I wouldn't do this on a usual fora. On my talk page I have a little more leeway, and I am going to refactor this reply, so I can reply to it one point at a time. Geo Swan (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Answer
  1. You never respond to anybody with a straight answer when a long rambling rant can be used.
  2. You think it is appropriate to overload Commons with hundreds of poor images of your neighbourhood, many taken from your rooftop.
  3. How many pictures do we need of Starbucks at the corner of Front and Frederick?
  4. You upload inferior versions of historic photographs when the originals are available and you also insist in not uploaded the highest quality from Flickr.
  5. You admit not understanding Categories in general and cannot consistently use the same format when you have created the entire tree yourself.
  6. Incorrect spelling or descriptions are frequent in your uploads. These could be seen as problems.
Ya happy now George? Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
  1. I suggest that "rant" is a very emotionally charged term, a potentially insulting term, one which should be reserved for passages where one could expect pretty universal agreement it is a rant.
  2. This week Urban Toronto, or one of the similar local online magazines, published a list of about a dozen good places where the public can capture images of Toronto's skyline. The roof of my building is also a good place to capture images of Toronto's skyline -- one not open to the public. It is my intention to only upload images that someone would be find of genuine educational value, because they are of historic value, geographic value, or artistic value. I believe capturing images of the stages of the construction of the L Tower, from the same viewpoints, are of educational value, even if comparing two from a two different dates look similar, they are interesting as part of a sequence -- a sequence that can be assembled into a collage.
  3. I am sure you have read my comments on the Statue of Liberty before. There are no commons policies that authorize capping the number of images of a topic.

    The {{information}} template for the last five images I uploaded explain why I think they are of educational value. I was on a photo excursion with a friend of mine who had recently bought a beautiful camera -- more beautiful than mine. But she didn't know how to adjust the amount of light used in her images. I took, and uploaded, five similar images each using a different amount of light so people could see how their camera settings can be used. I believe this satisfies the educational value requirement for all our images.

  4. You are skilled in finding images within the TPL and COTA archives. I have congratulated you on acquiring this skill before. I'll congratulate you again. Congratulations! I use lots of sources for free images. It is true, if I find a source for a free image that contains enough information to confirm it IS a free image I don't generally try to use archive-fu to confirm the original image from the archive is of the same quality. I am sorry if this annoys you, but I don't believe there is an obligation for me to do so.
  5. Hello? When did I ever "admit not understanding Categories in general"? I hope you can understand how easily a person could interpret what seems to them like a wild mischaracterization as an insult?

    I have written criticisms of the weaknesses of the Category feature. You are free to disagree with my comments. But please don't write that I misunderstand the Category system if you haven't seen fit to discuss why you disagree with me.

    I have confirmed that I agree that consistency is important, many times. On the other hand, I have been contributing to the wikimedia commons for years -- almost a decade. I refuse to apologize for any instance where I tried to organize content one way, and no longer remembered that schema, months or years later, when I uploaded related content. I believe my record will show that if I discover I have been inconsistent I will try to bring that into consistency. I believe my record will show that if someone draws an inconsistency I am responsible for to my attention I will try my best to bring that into consistency. Is it possible that some of the instances where you think I have been inconsistent could be instances where you and I disagree on how content should be organized?

  6. With regard to spelling or grammar errors. We are all fallible. I am a prolific uploader. My uploads, and other contributions do contain errors, due to normal human fallibility. Is the frequency of spelling or grammar errors I make due to normal human fallibility outside the normal range of the rest of the commons contributors? I would be very surprised if it was. So, no, I don't agree that my normal human fallibility is any more of a problem than any other contributor's.
Am I happy? Well, frankly, no.
I am concerned that there are issues where you disagreed with me, and when those issues came up again you were not able to approach the subsequent discussions with a sufficiently open mind to the possibility I might voice valid points. Every time I enter a discussion I do my best to consider the possibility that the person I think I disagree with might after all be right, and that I might after all be wrong. It is an important aspect to truly collegial discussion and decision making. I really wish I could count on all my correspondents also doing their best to keep in mind the possibility I might raise points they might consider valid.
Your assertion that I "admitted not understanding Categories" -- how worried should I be that this assertion could be traced to a decision on your part to just skip over points I try to make? Geo Swan (talk) 22:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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  • No! You are wrong. I said above "Do whatever you want. We all make mistakes, and I have made another one here. You obviously have problems that I can't help you with". You chose to misinterpret my comments. I am just reassuring you that I do not feel that way and you do need to respond, but that would be contrary to Item 1 and your generally agressive attitude. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Frankly, your response, above, strikes me as an instance of revisionism. I believe uninvolved third parties would warn your comment looked like an ugly crack.
    • I dispute I have a "generally agressive attitude". I invite you to re-examine your own behaviour during our first interaction -- your comments in the AFD for Unwin Avenue. Your comments were not just agressive, you examined recent userspace subpages I was working on -- writing: "and Coming Soon from the same fabulous producer who brought you Unwin Avenue - get ready for the new sensational User:Geo Swan/Cherry Street (Toronto) and User:Geo Swan/Blue Jays Way. I just can't wait." This was not just aggressive, it was seriously distressing harrassment.
    • Are you familiar with Anatol Rappaport's work on the tit for tat algorithm? It is an algorithm for how to play prisoner's dilemma. According to that algorithm, when someone who has been defecting from the rules of pleasantness, civility and collegiality, starts to be polite again, the best strategy for both one's self and society, is to respond with pleasantness, civility and collegiality -- right up to the moment they defect.
    • I try to be more forgiving than tit for tat. IMO it makes sense to try to keep one's cool, even when you think the parties you are disagreeing with have crossed the line. If you think I have been rude to you, feel free to cite the specific passage, and, if I agree, I'll apologize. Geo Swan (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
  • PLEASE NOTE Some of what I recently posted has been edited so that the order, context and meaning has been changed. Secondarywaltz (talk) 02:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't agree that refactoring your comments, so they were numbered, meaningfully altered their meaning. Geo Swan (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I wish you happiness Mr. Geo Swan. Secondarywaltz (talk) 02:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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  • For the record, although this image was deleted as a "COPYVIO":
  1. it was a poliicy compliant image at the time I uploaded it.
  2. legally, this image remains in the public domain, outside of Afghanistan. I think the WMF's lawyer was clear on this issue. We are now aware that outgoing Afghan President Hamid Karzai issued the Afghan equivalent of a US Presidential Executive Order, creating a domestic Afghan copyright law. But, for the signatories of international property rights agreements to recognize Afghanistan as a member of the nations that reciprocally honor the copyrights of one another's citizens, Afghanistan would have to:
    1. Have its legislature pass international property rights laws that contained wording that measured up to the criteria of the international property rights agreements;
    2. That law would have to guarantee equal respect for the copyrights of other nations;
    3. Afghanistan would have to actually honor that law -- they couldn't just pass it, and then let Afghan publications continue to use internationally protected images as if they were public domain.
It is WMF policy to treat the images created by citizens of nations like Afghanistan, that have taken a step towards joining Berne-world, as if they had fully joined Berne-world. But I think the WMF's lawywer was clear on this. WMF projects are free to impose any extra restrictions we choose on our images. However, that does not make it illegal to use these images. In particular, third parties who downloaded the images from WMF projects are legally free to keep using them, unless the Afghan legislature does act to bring Afghanistan fully into Berne-world.
I uploaded over one hundred images that were perfectly compliant with our policies, at the time I uploaded them. Unfortunately some of the contributors who nominated them for deletion, or who voiced opinions on them, or who deleted them, used wording that implied I was a copyright violator who had uploaded illegal images. I may link to this explanation anywhere I see formerly compliant Afghan images I uploaded referred to as copyright violation, or as illegal images. They are neither. They are merely images which once complied, but no longer comply, with a policy the WMF chose to implement which does not have any force in law. Geo Swan (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
    • I have stated my personal opinion on this policy before, and I will do so again here, for the record. The policy of treating images as if they were protected, before a country actually enacts all the laws needed to join Berne-world strikes me as neo-colonial. It implies we think we are superior to those countries.
    • I think true respect for the sovereignty of those countries, and the autonomy of their citizens should have required us to wait until they expressed their determination to join the Berne-world through passing the required laws.
    • Almost everyone in Western nations believes in "progress". Small groups of luddites, survivalists, and fringe religious groups don't. But this general faith in "progress" is not shared in the countries that haven't signed on to Berne-world. Their latenesss in signing isn't due to their failing to understand what intellectual property is, and it isn't due to their being too stupid to know how to pass laws. I think the reason countries like Afghanistan haven't passed intellectual property laws is because those in a position to pass those laws didn't believe those laws were in their national interest
    • It is not just the Taliban -- many of the leaders who allied with the USA in overthrowing the Taliban do not believe in progress. For instance, they don't believe in the value of educating girls. The Taliban outlawed the creation or showing of movies. The outlawed the performance of singing, or dancing, or acting. They outlawed painting works of art. Why would they pass laws protecting the intellectual property rights of painters, composers or film-makers, when they wanted to suppress those kinds of cultural expression.
    • Okay, what about the post-Taliban era? Aren't there elements of Afghan society that are westernized, and welcome the trappings of Western culture, who would welcome joining Berne-world? Yes, there are. Do they have the political power to get those laws passed? Unclear. The USA is withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan, as have other Western nations. The politicians the west supported may be swept from power, once western aid slows to a trickle, and Afghanistan may swing back to a government that is close to being as conservative as the Taliban.
    • If Iraq war taught us anything it should have taught us a powerful nation can't force another nation's citizens to change their values and worldview over the barrel of a gun. That failed in Iraq, and I am afraid it will fail in Afghanistan.
    • I fear a blood-bath in Afghanistan, when western aid and western influence dries to a trickle.
    • If a swing in power brings in a government whose President rescinds the executive order Karzai decreed, creating a domestic intellectual copyright property law, I think we would then have return to recognizing that Afghanistan is a nation with no intellectual property protection. Geo Swan (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Red River Expedition map[edit]

Hello, Geo Swan! I notice at File:Map to accompany report of the Canadian Red River Expedition., 1858.png you seem to have uploaded a photo of the Red Deer River valley over the map, while keeping the original description & templates. I presume this was a mistake, but since it was a while ago, rather than revert I’d thought I‘d drop you a line first, in case it will be more convenient for you to download the photo from there so as to re-upload it under a new name, rather than having to retrieve the original. (The map seems rather indistinct, but doubtless has historical interest—and the Collections Canada website isn’t being coöperative.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the headsup. I reverted it. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 13:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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I checked, nominator was correct, and I was mistaken. I thought all COTA images available online were free for re-use. I was wrong. This one wasn't. Maybe I misremebered that images uploaded to flickr were all available for re-use. Geo Swan (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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Re:Could you please explain...[edit]

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Health issues[edit]

Dear Mr. Swan,

I suffer from severe tinnitus in my left ear and mild depression but my doctor has stablilised me on some low doses of medication that is mostly covered by medicare. However, I am busy with my own work (which is good) and sometimes it feels as if many other users are not marking images on Commons. So, I am slowing down as I mention in a message here Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • I addressed Pierpao's concern by replacing the elements of the image that might be considered a copyright violation. The resulting image was, nevertheless, deleted as "out of scope", a judgment I disagree with, as the wikipedia article on Hespeler, Ontario has a section devoted to this specific development. I uploaded a copy of the image to en.wiki, and used it to illustrate that section, and requested the deleting admin to restore the commons version, as its use on en.wiki establishes the image is in scope. Geo Swan (talk) 04:22, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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This captures something[edit]

This photo File:Panhandler, Yonge and Front, 2014 09 26.jpg captures the total indifference of those people, showing the backs of their legs. Thanks George, this is a special one. Secondarywaltz (talk) 02:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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Alan (talk) 01:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:MBTA construction[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to explain why I reverted your categorization change there. Although the MBTA is based in Boston, a significant portion (much of the commuter rail system, as well as the portions of the subway system in Brookline, Quincy, Cambridge, Somerville, Medford, Malden, Revere, and soon Chelsea) are outside the city of Boston. Thus, it wouldn't be correct to assume that most of the images in that category are in Boston. (In fact, a handful aren't in Rhode Island, but that's the bare exception.) I've copied those that are in Boston into the proper category. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 14:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I also just nominated Category:Lincoln Powell Station for deletion; I think that name was a mistake in the original Archives description. The BERy had Lincoln Wharf Power Station in that location, but we don't appear to have nay images of it. Great job on the Archives photos, though - I've identified about 100 that'll be useful for the articles I work on. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I bow to your local knowledge.
I have only been to Boston once, and didn't have an opportunity to ride any of the lines. It is an interesting system. When I first started to read about it, about ten years ago, most people seemed ready to describe the Green Line as a subway line. Now most people seem ready to describe it as a light rail line.
Here in Toronto there is a lot of embarrassing, parochial, local boosterism. Politicians, and other commentators, like to describe Toronto as a "World class city", whatever that means. They also like to prescribe what policy steps Toronto should take to retain, or more firmly establish, its "World class city" status. I lived, for a few months, just outside of Philadelphia, and I was very surprised that no one I knew there knew how big Philadelphia was, or where it sat on the USA list of cities by population.
In the last year or so there has been a new burst of local pride, that Toronto's official population passed Chicago's official population. Embarrassing, as I believe this is merely an observer effect. I think official Chicago is surrounded by a bunch of Satellite municipalities, which would be indistinguishable from Chicago from a Satellite -- just as Toronto has its satellites. I suspect that Greater Chicago, the real Chicago, remains much larger than Greater Toronto, but that the boundaries of official Toronto contain a greater share of Greater Toronto than official Chicago does of Greater Toronto.
How large is Greater Boston? Does the boundary of Greater Boston really smudge indistinctly into Greater NYC, into an unbanized greater Boston to Washington urban corridor?
Official Toronto's population is about 2.5 million. Greater Toronto? I don't know, there is no real consensus on its boundaries. About 3.5 to 4 million maybe.
You probably know that, like Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Toronto retained a large network of streetcars. Like Boston and Philadelphia, Toronto decided to shop around for new vehicles to replace its aging fleet of PCC streetcars. I believe both Boston and Philadelphia only got a decade or so of use out the replacement vehicles. Our replacement vehicles were built in Canada, and are approaching their 40 year projected lifetime. I loved the old PCC streetcars. I have an affection for the replacements. Of all the vehicles designed to replace the PCCs they are the vehicle that look the most like the PCCs.
We maintain one old Peter Witt streetcar, and two PCC vehicles, which are sometimes used on ceremonial occasion, or chartered for parties, or movies that require a period feel. Personally, I would have preferred keeping a half dozen, or dozen PCCs. I don't think we are going to keep any of the CLRVs as heritage vehicles. Since they use 1970s electronics they will, apparently, be harder to keep supplied with ancient parts than the PCCs, with their entirely analog electronics. We keep a blacksmith whose job is to make replacement parts for the heritage vehicles. I guess the MBTA needs to do likewise.
There was a big ceremony when the first two low-floor Flexity Outlook vehicles entered fare service on August 31st. Thousands of people showed up just to ride the new vehicles that day. They are beautiful vehicles -- twice as long as the vehicles they replaced. I wonder if they will remain as popular when riders figure out that transit authorities plan to run the vehicles less often, because each vehicle holds more passengers?
I uploaded the Boston archive images using the flick2commons tool. So, they should really have a human double-check the categories for each one. I have gone through about 60 of the new images, so far.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
  • User:Pi.1415926535, I see you have recategorized quite a few of recent Boston Archive uploads. That's great. That Flickr2commons upload tool looks like it lets the uploader set individual categories for specific images. But, either I am not using that feature properly, or it currently non-functional.
In general, I will bow to your local knowledge.
  • If the image is from prior to 1923, or the archives specifically states it is PD, I put a PD tag on it.
  • If the flickr image description lists a specific date I update our information templates date field.
  • If the flickr image description lists a department that created the image I update our information templates author field.
It is extra work, you don't need to follow my example -- just letting you know.
It is a big relief that someone else is looking at this categorization.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Huh, I'm surprised you've only been to Boston once. There was a Wikipedia event today at the archives you gathered all these images from, so I assumed you were there. I'll do my best to use local knowledge; I'm pretty knowledgeable about railroads and transit; less so with streets and buildings.
I'm not very skilled with flickr2commons myself; I find it easier to simply add categories etc after uploading. I may go back through at least the transit-related images and add additional categories, edit the descriptions, etc. Right now I'm just trying to make it so I can find the images again easily.
Greater Boston does indeed blend fairly smoothly into the surrounding areas. Boston itself is an oddity among cities - it's only really half the metro area. Cambridge, Somerville, Everett, Chelsea, Revere, Malden, and Medford occupy the mirror of Boston on the north side of the Charles. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)