Commons:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 2019
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Interface Administrator right
Hi, I would like to request Interface administrators right. I have made a couple of tiny gadgets in the past (and just wanted to make another one just now ^_^).
Thank you for your consideration, Jean-Fred (talk) 12:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- (I do have 2FA enabled. Jean-Fred (talk) 12:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC))
- Done --Krd 14:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 14:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Translation Admin requests
I would like to request translation admin rights having continuous translator contributor. Recently I get acknowledged to the translatable pages and marking them for enumeration by other users though I can do it on my own to help other translation admins. According to the policy, surely. --Renessaince (talk) 07:53, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 07:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 07:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Removal of GW Toolset
Hello dear crats! I really don't get anywhere fast with the GW Toolset, it can be removed from my rights. Thanks! --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:22, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 07:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 07:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Request for Account creator status
Hi, Was pointed here by Jeff G over at the Help desk,
Long story short at times I can take over 100 images all of which get uploaded here - I'm constantly having to sort files in to 50 batches in order to upload so I was wondering if I could be granted account creator status simply to bypass the 50 upload limit,
I have no intentions of creating accounts or anything like that I would just like it so I can upload everything in one go instead of 50, then 50, then 50 etc etc,
Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 23:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Do you also intend to add categories and meaningful descriptions to your files? --Krd 07:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Krd Ofcourse ? - Please see Category:Davey2010 temp 15 - Done where all files are renamed, described and categorised accordingly, I never ever do descriptions and categories when uploading because it would take forever, If it helps I'm not the sort of guy who for instance uploads File:Davey2010 - DSCN6648 09.jpg this and then expects everyone else to do the legwork but yeah all files are renamed etc accordingly, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 09:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- I don't want to raise general concern, but when looking at File:Davey2010 - DSCN6648 08.jpg or File:Davey2010 - DSCN6648 06.jpg from your last batch, I have the feeling that at least a small part of the image classification should be done before uploading.
- I have added the permission, please report if it does help. --Krd 12:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Krd, Ah yeah sorry I was supposed to have deleted those first, Not quite sure how on earth they made it!, Anyway thanks so much!, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd and Davey2010: I don't expect this to help. According to Special:ListGroupRights, you need the mass-upload flag. This is available for administrators (fat chance you'll get that without consensus!) and license reviewers (actually not going to happen without consensus either..). Even Extended uploaders never had it, and never will. I intend to propose raising the current limit of 50 a bit, at least for users with the autopatrolled flag. Very soon however autopatrolled users are going to find a new button, "Import images from Flickr". I think it's better not to stack too many changes in too short of a period of time. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 12:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Well I'll upload all later and let you know if it actually works :), Given the fact anyone can easily upload over a thousand images from Flickr in one go I fail to understand the actual point to a ratelimit here but there we are, I do agree the ratelimit should certainly be bumped up to those trusted or to those who hold a right that's not willy-nilly dished out, Anyway not saying you're wrong but yeah I'll give it a bash and shall report back later (will probably upload around 9/10/11pm (UK time) :) –Davey2010Talk 13:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: go to Special:UploadWizard, click "Share images from Flickr" and enter https://www.flickr.com/photos/th3truthphoto/albums/72157687034727630. I see "You can select up to 50 files to upload.", I would be surprised if you didn't. The limit of 50 files has existed for.. I dunno, never paid attention, but probably long. I could propose raising the limit now, but chances are that would be met with "let's see if nothing unexpected (bugs or whatever) pop up when https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/operations/mediawiki-config/+/485487/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard/+/485141/ go live". I'm thinking of proposing an increase about a month from now, depending on when the pending changes go live. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 13:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Alexis Jazz, Ah right sorry I meant you could upload an indefinite amount with the Flickr2Commons tool, I've never used the "share with flickr" so didn't realise there was a limit, I have no understanding of that - I just assumed I suppose it could be implemented just like that but guess not, Well if you do go ahead with it you'd have my full support :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 14:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: The limit of 50 is specific to UploadWizard. Flickr2Commons, Commons:Commonist, Commons:VicuñaUploader and any other methods are not affected by this limit. (you may want to try them..) Increasing it however will require some consensus at Commons:Village pump/Proposals. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 14:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ahhh riiight I'm with you now sorry, Would be nice if the "consensus" was just me and you eh!, Ah well anyway thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:24, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: The limit of 50 is specific to UploadWizard. Flickr2Commons, Commons:Commonist, Commons:VicuñaUploader and any other methods are not affected by this limit. (you may want to try them..) Increasing it however will require some consensus at Commons:Village pump/Proposals. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 14:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Alexis Jazz, Ah right sorry I meant you could upload an indefinite amount with the Flickr2Commons tool, I've never used the "share with flickr" so didn't realise there was a limit, I have no understanding of that - I just assumed I suppose it could be implemented just like that but guess not, Well if you do go ahead with it you'd have my full support :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 14:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: go to Special:UploadWizard, click "Share images from Flickr" and enter https://www.flickr.com/photos/th3truthphoto/albums/72157687034727630. I see "You can select up to 50 files to upload.", I would be surprised if you didn't. The limit of 50 files has existed for.. I dunno, never paid attention, but probably long. I could propose raising the limit now, but chances are that would be met with "let's see if nothing unexpected (bugs or whatever) pop up when https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/operations/mediawiki-config/+/485487/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard/+/485141/ go live". I'm thinking of proposing an increase about a month from now, depending on when the pending changes go live. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 13:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Well I'll upload all later and let you know if it actually works :), Given the fact anyone can easily upload over a thousand images from Flickr in one go I fail to understand the actual point to a ratelimit here but there we are, I do agree the ratelimit should certainly be bumped up to those trusted or to those who hold a right that's not willy-nilly dished out, Anyway not saying you're wrong but yeah I'll give it a bash and shall report back later (will probably upload around 9/10/11pm (UK time) :) –Davey2010Talk 13:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd and Davey2010: I don't expect this to help. According to Special:ListGroupRights, you need the mass-upload flag. This is available for administrators (fat chance you'll get that without consensus!) and license reviewers (actually not going to happen without consensus either..). Even Extended uploaders never had it, and never will. I intend to propose raising the current limit of 50 a bit, at least for users with the autopatrolled flag. Very soon however autopatrolled users are going to find a new button, "Import images from Flickr". I think it's better not to stack too many changes in too short of a period of time. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 12:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Krd, Ah yeah sorry I was supposed to have deleted those first, Not quite sure how on earth they made it!, Anyway thanks so much!, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Krd Ofcourse ? - Please see Category:Davey2010 temp 15 - Done where all files are renamed, described and categorised accordingly, I never ever do descriptions and categories when uploading because it would take forever, If it helps I'm not the sort of guy who for instance uploads File:Davey2010 - DSCN6648 09.jpg this and then expects everyone else to do the legwork but yeah all files are renamed etc accordingly, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 09:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- Krd and Jeff_G. - Alexis Jazz was indeed correct I'm still limited to the 50 upload limit .... Are admins limited to it too ?, If not then I may end up going to RFA simply to bypass it,
- Given that I'm taking 100 images per day for 5 days (500) and then another week (700) means by a week and a half I would've taken and uploaded atleast over a thousand so as such I really need something that can upload 100 in a day as opposed to having to sort everything by 50 (and to make things 1000x worse the spare laptop I use to upload the images the mouse is constantly disabling itself virtually every day so as I said I really need to something that can upload over 100 in one go as opposed to well ... this), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 02:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: That's disappointing. It would be nice if the limits were documented. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 02:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'd suggest to raise this again at another page, perhaps the village pump. I'd assume there are better tools the Upload Wizard for such cases, but I'm not the best qualified person to recommend anything. --Krd 07:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd and Davey2010: do you still need the account creator right?
- Davey2010, as I explained above, administrators and license reviewers are exempt from the limit. You'd probably have a better chance when you apply for the latter, but you better also plan on occasionally working on the backlog at Category:License review needed. I recently dumped over a thousand requests in Category:Unreviewed files from Pixabay so there's plenty of work. If you apply to be a license reviewer just to get around the limit, it'll most likely be rejected. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 09:56, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Krd, Okie dokie will do, Could I ask that this right is removed please as I'll never use it, Many thanks
- Hi Alexis Jazz, Ah I'm so sorry you did suggest it above sorry about that, In that case I might try that, Funny enough I planned to go to LR at the start of this year but just never got round to it, I would love to help out , Many thanks again for your suggestion and help, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 10:27, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 10:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'd suggest to raise this again at another page, perhaps the village pump. I'd assume there are better tools the Upload Wizard for such cases, but I'm not the best qualified person to recommend anything. --Krd 07:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: That's disappointing. It would be nice if the limits were documented. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 02:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 10:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Bot deflag
Hi all, while I have some ideas for future work for User:Drudgebane Storkksbot, it is unlikely to become active again in the immediate future. In case it becomes active again, I will re-request the flag. Thanks. Storkk (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 14:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 14:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I created Commons:Administrators/Inactivity section/Feb-Mar 2019. I asked stewards to remove admin bit from 3 users: m:Special:Diff/18866239. All other inactive admins were notified by talk page message and email. 4nn1l2 (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! --Krd 18:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Question: The page says "Jameslwoodward (B/A) has additional access: bureaucrat. If they fail to sign here, their additional permission will also be removed." He also hold CU, will his CU removed as well if he fails? (I think we have a precedent but I can't recall which one was it.) — regards, Revi 11:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- This is being discussed at Commons talk:Administrators/Inactivity section/Feb-Mar 2019. --Krd 11:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 16:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
GWToolset user request
Hello ! Could I become a GWToolset user ? Thanks. Regards Cquoi (talk) 11:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Please register at Commons beta and report when done. --Krd 11:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done Cquoi (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- The user account doesn't exist, see: https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Cquoi Please try again. --Krd 07:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Krd. I made a mistake when registrating. Now it's OK. Done. Cquoi (talk) 09:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Please make some test uploads with the toolset at beta. --Krd 09:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Krd. I made a mistake when registrating. Now it's OK. Done. Cquoi (talk) 09:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- The user account doesn't exist, see: https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Cquoi Please try again. --Krd 07:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done Cquoi (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: Please request again when ready. --Krd 07:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Interface admin rights request
Hi,
I'd like to update the translations on MediaWiki:Gadget-AjaxQuickDelete.js/fr.js but I need the interface admin rights to do so.
Could you grant it to me? I have 2FA enabled.
Thanks. --Thibaut (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 14:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 14:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Translation admin request
I would like to start marking up the recently created set of pages like COM:CRT/Costa Rica for translation, and perhaps translating some of them into French, so would like the translation administrator permission. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 11:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support We have a plan. I will cover Eurasia (Europe + Asia). Aymatth2 will cover the rest of the world. There are 200+ pages, so it cannot be done single-handedly. 4nn1l2 (talk) 15:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 13:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 13:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
OTRS
Hi, I would like to be a volunteer for Wikimedia OTRS. Have a lot of experience on Wikimedia Commons and a lot more on NL-Wikipedia (the last for 11,5 years). I have sent a mail to OTRS. If I have to send the mail to another adress, please tell me. Thanks! - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Richardkiwi, would you please submit your application on m:OTRS/Volunteering? You can find information about how te apply on that page too. DutchTom (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 08:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Request translation admin and GWToolset rights for Chicocvenancio
I would like to have these rights to be able to mark pages for translation and use the GWToolset.
- Translation admin
I am very aware of how the Translate extension works and have made several translations here and on meta (with this and my former contractor accoun User:Chicocvenancio (WMF). I believe this would spare other users some work, and that I can competently perform the tasks.
- GWToolset
I am involved on several GLAMs and experimenting with GWToolset is an option for uploads.
Chico Venancio (talk) 13:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding GWToolset, please create an account at Commons beta and advise when done. --Krd 13:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Makes sense, https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Chicocvenancio(beta). Chico Venancio (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Please make some test uploads at beta with the toolset. --Krd 18:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Makes sense, https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Chicocvenancio(beta). Chico Venancio (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: Please reopen when ready. --Krd 11:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry Krd, I anticipate to be pretty busy in the next few week. Once I have more time to prepare a GLAM upload set I'll upload them to beta with GWToolset and reopen this request. Thanks for the quick response. Chico Venancio (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Interface administrator Multichill
Hi, can you add me to the Interface administrator group? Wanted to fix some css, but realized I never requested the right here. Multichill (talk) 08:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Multichill: Done, thanks for volunteering to help. odder (talk) 08:46, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 11:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Interface administrator right for User:4nn1l2
Hello,
- Request: I, User:4nn1l2, would like to be an interface administrator.
- Demonstration of need: I have made an edit request one month ago which has not been fulfilled yet [1]. If I become an interface admin, I can do it myself.
- Demonstration of activity: I frequently fulfill edit requests. Here are some recent examples: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6].
- 2FA enabled? Yes.
Thank you, 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- I Support this (hope that won't be held against you ), if you carry out the edit described at Template talk:Edit request#Specific category for requests that require an interface admin future edit requests will probably be handled sooner. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 19:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Edit request fulfilled, Category:Commons protected edit requests for interface administrators created. 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:51, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 06:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 06:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Content deletion required
See Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#User:Ralf Roletschek. Sadly it seems at least one of our admins is unaware of the problem of OUTING another user. I have tried and failed to get them to remove the content. Please could a crat delete the outing discussion and revisions, and remind Jcb and other admins that publishing the real life identity and occupation of a user on Commons is a serious offence, even if the user apparently has published their name here, and even if the information is easily searched for, and regardless of whether the information is correct. -- Colin (talk) 16:45, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Colin is correct that this should not be allowed to stand. This is clearly not a mistake as Jcb has refused to remove this information. We are treating admins with deodorant and other users with insecticide as ordinary user would have been indef for this. T CellsTalk 20:32, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support I concur with Colin and T Cells on this issue. Pinging @Jcb. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 20:40, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Colin: I'm not among the ones who would fight for Jcb, but you seem to have missed the fact that it's actually no outing because the lady that appear in the external link has nothing to do with Daniela K. apart from the same name, so this was a mmistake by Jcb and there is really nothing to revdelete. If ever there is someone who outed Daniela K. against her will, then it is Ralf Roletschek. --A.Savin 20:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- A.Savin, I don't want to be in argument with you but ask you also read en:WP:OUTING. Here I quote a bit:
- "If you see an editor post personal information about another person, do not confirm or deny the accuracy of the information. Doing so would give the person posting the information, and anyone else who saw the page, feedback on the accuracy of the material. For the same reason, do not treat incorrect attempts at outing any differently from correct attempts. When reporting an attempted outing take care not to comment on the accuracy of the information. Outing should usually be described as "an attempted outing" or similar, to make it clear that the information may or may not be true, and it should be made clear to the users blocked for outing that the block log and notice does not confirm the information."
- As we all know, a full name is not unique in the world. So googling a name is unreliable. When you deny one match, all you do is make other matches more likely, possibly to the extent that the match becomes obvious. So this is an area where we should say nothing and delete all such discussion. What's more, Commons:Paid contribution disclosure policy says that on Commons paid editing/uploading does not require disclosure. So while on Wikipedia there is tension between paid-editing investigations and OUTING, on Commons there should be none. We have no right to investigate whether images are paid for or whether anyone involved is an employee of any company, so we have absolutely zero defence when attempting to out someone as a member of a company/agency. Of course it is permissible to ask politely (though not demand) in order perhaps to clarify who took/owns a photo, say (see Commons:Guidance for paid editors). -- Colin (talk) 09:28, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- Done Ok that is done, let me know if I forgot something. Christian Ferrer (talk) 15:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 06:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
GWToolset user right
Hello, can I have the GWToolset user rights, please? I already done some test uploads on Beta. Christian Ferrer (talk) 15:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you please make clear why the images are cc-by-4.0? --Krd 06:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- When you click on the source provided in this file, you can access to the license with the tab "article info" at top of the web page. Christian Ferrer (talk) 10:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Do you think it is better to provide directly this link as source, it is possible because all the images are available inside the article whitch is also visible when the tab "article info" is open. Would you prefer? or maybe for the next uploads I can easily add a quick statement near and in addition to my sources, in the kind : Access to the license? Christian Ferrer (talk) 10:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 10:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 10:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
GWToolset user
Hello, can I have GWToolset user permission for batch upload? --Cephas (talk) 17:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Please register at https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ and report when done. Thank you. --Krd 17:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 17:43, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
account creator
Hi all. I am writing to see if a crat could assign me the account creator right so I can move pages with no rate limits. Currently, there are many (many in terms of thousands) aviation files that contains naming errors such as Boeing B.777 instead of Boeing 777. Boeing aircrafts either go by Boeing 7X7 or B7X7, Boeing B7X7 is not the correct usage, and saying Boeing Boeing 777 is definitely wrong (Boeing B.777) In addition, Airbus files have similar naming errors too, although they aren't as bad as Boeing's. The dot (.) in Airbus A.320 should not be there at all. I did some checks and all of the websites either use Airbus A320 or A320, with the former being more common. I've already moved 1k-2k files already but I'm always hit by the ratelimit and for unknown reasons, the massrename stops. I believe that I will use this right wisely. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 22:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Done for one year, can be extended if required. --Krd 06:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: Thank you. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 10:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 06:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Wording of bot account approval in COM:BP
Please refer to Commons:Bots/Work_requests#Bot account misuse, revisiting COM:BP. This is a slightly technical issue, but notifying here as a courtesy, being related to the bureaucrat role. --Fæ (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
There is now a specific proposal at: Commons_talk:Blocking_policy#Proposal_to_change_wording_for_"unauthorized_bot_accounts". --Fæ (talk) 11:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 05:32, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Requesting translation administrator rights
Hi! Like last year and the year before I'd like to request temporary translation administrator rights in order to work on pages for the Norwegian WLM campaign. Ideally from now until 1 November, as we will announce the winners on 31 October, and I would probably need to mark that page for translation after the announcement. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 14:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, Krd! Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 14:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Request for Account creator (noratelimit)
Davey2010 asked for it here, so I guess this is the place.
I just got throttled, so I'd like noratelimit. I make too many edits trying to clean up Russavia's crap. Cat-a-lot even dropped some categorizations because of the ratelimit, which is problematic. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 02:13, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- If there are any questions or anything, please ask.. For some more info, see Category talk:To do. I will move some more files from Russavia socks to Category:To do and strip {{Check categories}} from them which was added blindly (without any regard to current categorization) years after upload by these Russavia socks. That's all. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 07:58, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: ? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- As you ping me, I'm concerned about your user page which insults me personally at several points, and I'd prefer to leave this open for a fellow crat to decide. --Krd 07:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: I criticized your actions on that case, not you as a person. I don't see that as a personal insult, I have no issues with you outside of that case. But, fair enough if you'd rather leave this to someone else. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 08:15, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- As you ping me, I'm concerned about your user page which insults me personally at several points, and I'd prefer to leave this open for a fellow crat to decide. --Krd 07:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- This request was approached with a starting point of "crap" for uploads that include several contributors, including me. It is not surprising that there is no apparent rush to comply.
- With respect to the technical issue of cat-a-lot dropping changes because of the user's account not having noratelimit, could you reference a Phabricator ticket please? It is not obvious that this would be the cause of dropouts compared to other issues, or that a work-around is not as simple as re-running the tool on the same selection, based on pragmatic experience not a lot of extra effort.
- Note that I have successfully used very slow pywikibot scripts, in some cases with more severe than usual throttles, to make very large mass changes. A slow housekeeping run over several days, has distinct benefits compared to super fast mass changes. --Fæ (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Fæ: which uploads of yours are categorized in Category:To do? (seriously, if there are any I want to know)
- "could you reference a Phabricator ticket please?" I noticed this issue before when the ratelimits were introduced with stupidly low values for Commons. A week or so later they were raised, so most users don't run into problems anymore.. unless you categorize many, many, many files. Yes, re-running the tool is a solution (which I had already figured out), but is quite some effort with these numbers. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at the search results, actually not very many, I count 82 files, most from Faebot. I did upload something like 80,000 avionics files in total, so maybe I just stuck to the standard subst:chc which ended up elsewhere. Not sure how many different uploaders are in your to_do cat, you may benefit from working out the list.
- If as it appears, you are re-catting or otherwise housekeeping 140,000 files and would like to do more of these very large change projects, I strongly recommend you do not use cat-a-lot but run simple command line changes from python + pywikibot. This gives you far greater control about doing multiple housekeeping fixes at the same time, and gives you detailed control over stuff like throttling. Other solutions like AWB might be even easier to run, but I stopped using that tool years ago. --Fæ (talk) 16:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Can you link some of those 82 files? There should be none so I want to investigate this. I see three files: File:RAF Avia Antonov AN-26B Bakema-1.jpg which is categorized as Category:Images uploaded by Fæ but actually uploaded by Russavia, a result of bad dupe merging. On File:106TH ANNUAL BANQUET (held by) FRIENDLY SONS OF ST. PATRICK (at) DELMONICO'S (REST;) (NYPL Hades-269842-4000001208).tiff, a Russavia sock touched that file to remove {{Check categories}} so I will make no difference to it in the end. File:Let L-410UVP Turbolet, Lithuania - Air Force JP6757852.jpg was categorized by a Russavia sock. This file is also in Category:Files uploaded in cooperation with blocked accounts.. was that a project in cooperation with Russavia? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Use the normal search with incategory:to_do insource:Faebot. --Fæ (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- 79 Faebot identified duplicates, and those are files that were uploaded by Russavia, not you. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 18:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Use the normal search with incategory:to_do insource:Faebot. --Fæ (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Can you link some of those 82 files? There should be none so I want to investigate this. I see three files: File:RAF Avia Antonov AN-26B Bakema-1.jpg which is categorized as Category:Images uploaded by Fæ but actually uploaded by Russavia, a result of bad dupe merging. On File:106TH ANNUAL BANQUET (held by) FRIENDLY SONS OF ST. PATRICK (at) DELMONICO'S (REST;) (NYPL Hades-269842-4000001208).tiff, a Russavia sock touched that file to remove {{Check categories}} so I will make no difference to it in the end. File:Let L-410UVP Turbolet, Lithuania - Air Force JP6757852.jpg was categorized by a Russavia sock. This file is also in Category:Files uploaded in cooperation with blocked accounts.. was that a project in cooperation with Russavia? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Btw, Herzi Pinki proposed to do what I'm trying to.. back in 2016 already. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 17:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: Not quite resolved, though Russavia's crap was mostly cleaned, just more painfully. I may run into ratelimits again in the future, but there's nothing I can do about that. Keeping this thread here forever is no use. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 17:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I created Commons:Administrators/Inactivity section/Aug-Sep 2019. I asked stewards to remove admin bit from one user: m:Special:Diff/19277489. All other inactive admins were notified by talk page message and email except for User:Kelly who could not be reached via email. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Great work, thank you! --Krd 10:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 10:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Request for interface administrator right
I was going to do some clean-up of MediaWiki:Common.css (moving some styles to TemplateStyles). I don't care if it's temporary or permanent. Kaldari (talk) 09:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 09:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 09:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Request for temporary translation admin right
Hi, I would like to request temporary translation admin to manage translation for the pages relating to WLM India 2019. I will require this permission till WLM results in India are declared, so at most around mid November. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 10:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, this request has pending for two weeks; can I please get an update? Since WLM will start in a couple of days, if the right will not be granted, we'll have to reach out to other translation admins soon. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 04:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Done Sorry for the delay. --Krd 07:54, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 07:55, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Requesting_translation_administrator_rights
Hi, like last year, I would like to request for temporary translation admin rights for next 3 months for the Wiki loves Monuments in India. Thanks, -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 11:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 11:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello. User:GifTagger is an admin bot, which is inactive for almost 4 years. User:Alexis Jazz brought up this issue [8]. Consequently, I left a message [9] for its operator, User:McZusatz, who are themselves inactive for about 1.5 years. Should I initiate its de-adminship process now, i.e. send a formal user talk message and an email to the operator? Or should I ignore it now and postpone the issue to the next de-adminship phase, which is Feb-Mar 2020? Please note that tomorrow is the deadline for the current de-adminship phase. Please advise. Thanks! 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:13, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
- The admin bit has been removed per m:Special:Diff/19365056. 1989 (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- I support removal per given rationale. --Krd 09:04, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 09:04, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Interface-admin removal: Dschwen
Since they failed to sign Commons:Administrators/Inactivity section/Aug-Sep 2019, their admin and bureaucrat bit has been removed. What’s left is interface-admin. 1989 (talk) 07:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 09:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 09:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Requesting Account Creator
I frequently move pages and I have got stumbled upon ratelimit several times. (Sorry I don't know if there is any log to check it!) And I am also involved in real life wiki activities like trainings around wikimedia projects including commons. So account creator right would be great help to me. I know I am only allowed to use account creator rights in real life events for real people who are actually present for the events. And many other policies around use of these rights. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 19:26, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- @QueerEcofeminist: The proposal to quadruple the move rate limit is as good as accepted. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:03, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: , I requested account creator some ten days ago, I saw you resolved other requests of all kinds(even those which came later on) but this is kept pending even after ten days. So I am curious about what could be the reason, I had requested these rights to make my page/file moving seamless and I already have account creator rights on enwiki, I had similar rights on testwiki and mrwiki (it was for offline work I do!). So I don't think there should be any issues in granting me these rights as I am familiar with account creation process. Please let me know if commons has some different set of rules regarding account creation rights or time span needed to grant them. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 13:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly I was waiting for the above mentioned proposal, but it appears this will take another while, so until that happens I have assigned it as requested. --Krd 15:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: , I requested account creator some ten days ago, I saw you resolved other requests of all kinds(even those which came later on) but this is kept pending even after ten days. So I am curious about what could be the reason, I had requested these rights to make my page/file moving seamless and I already have account creator rights on enwiki, I had similar rights on testwiki and mrwiki (it was for offline work I do!). So I don't think there should be any issues in granting me these rights as I am familiar with account creation process. Please let me know if commons has some different set of rules regarding account creation rights or time span needed to grant them. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 13:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: , Ohhh my my, I was completely unaware of such proposal, I took Alexis's comment above in literal sense, anyways. thanks for the rights. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 16:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 08:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Can a Bureaucrat please reclose or endorse the closure of Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb (de-adminship 4) per this edit and COM:Administrators/De-adminship#Removal of rights, or just edit m:SRP#Jcb@commonswiki? — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- This is pretty urgent since Jcb is still doing admin actions whilst the conclusion is pretty clear: the community doesn't trust him with the tools. Natuur12 (talk) 15:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Freely revert my closing actions (I missed that part of policy which states these voting pools can be closed only by crats). I wanted the community to get over stressful voting now that the voting time has ended but this has to be done in the right way. My apologies. MZaplotnik(talk) 15:44, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- @MZaplotnik: No need to apologize, IMHO. An additional set of eyes to verify vote count is always helpful. See User talk:Srittau#Bureaucrat closures and m:Special:Diff/19413542#Jcb@commonswiki for explanations of why a bureaucrat closure is practice. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:26, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Freely revert my closing actions (I missed that part of policy which states these voting pools can be closed only by crats). I wanted the community to get over stressful voting now that the voting time has ended but this has to be done in the right way. My apologies. MZaplotnik(talk) 15:44, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 15:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Request for translation administrator rights
I would like to get translation administrator rights to be able to fix things in the original pages while translating them and do not need to wait till a translation admin marks the new version for translation. --GPSLeo (talk) 18:05, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 15:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 15:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Requesting translation admin rights
- DannyS712 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)
Hi. I'd like to request translation admin rights to be able to better help with translations here on commons. I note that there are currently 80 pages that the latest revision was not marked for translation. I'm active here on commons, and am also a translation admin on other sites, so I am familiar with the functionality and with how to use the software. Let me know if there are any questions. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:09, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Support Translation admin on Meta-wiki and Sysop(+TA) on Mediawiki. Obviously has experience with this tool. Masum Reza📞 05:11, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 07:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 07:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Request for translation administrator rights (Jeff G.)
I would like to get translation administrator rights to be able to fix things in the original pages while translating them without needing to wait till a translation admin marks the new version for translation, and also to be able to fight vandalism in translated pages. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Can you provide examples where you have previously been involved with translation or what you specifically plan to work on? It is uncommon to see someone granted TA when their second language is only -1 (es-1) without further rationale provided. ~riley (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: I assumed you were monitoring this but pinging for good measure. ~riley (talk) 06:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- @riley: I created Template:File copyright status/es and Template:Test/hi; and made edits [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], and [16], etc. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 14:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Support Sounds fair to me. ~riley (talk) 06:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- @riley: I created Template:File copyright status/es and Template:Test/hi; and made edits [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], and [16], etc. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 14:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: I assumed you were monitoring this but pinging for good measure. ~riley (talk) 06:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Support Trusted user, Jeff can be found on many int pages. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 06:43, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- @~riley, Hedwig in Washington, and Krd: Thank you! — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:38, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 06:43, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Request
Hi,
I'm part of the Wiki Loves Monuments international team. We are photos of national winners. As part of our publicity, I have to reach out to the winners and ask for their permission to use their photos on our social media. So I end up sending the same email to many people because of which I believe I trigger the rate limit and get blocked every once in a while. Is it possible to give some access that would stop triggering that flag. Even a temporary privilege for a month or two should be sufficient.
Thanks, Mohammad — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.hekmat (talk • contribs) 16:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 07:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 07:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Interface admin access request
Hi, I am a current admin that maintains {{Wikidata Infobox}}. I would like to have interface admin access so that I can maintain interface elements that relate to that infobox, as well as other future templates. I have around 20 years of experience with website development, including CSS and Javascript. Please note that this request is related to Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Interface_admin_request. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:49, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- <rant>When one request for something to be done, it was opposed. Then they request for the right themselves so they perform what is requested themselves, overriding consensus that it should not be done. Is this what should be done?</rant> --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- I thought that this would be a simple change to the infobox code, but it turned out to be a lot more complicated than I expected, see the discussion at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Interface_admin_request. Thanks to @Zhuyifei1999: , the gadget has now been implemented, and the discussion about enabling this by default is now at Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Displaying_multiple_images_in_the_Wikidata_Infobox_using_Javascript. I would still like to have interface admin access so that I can maintain that code and other codes as needed in the future. I am not interested in "overriding consensus", but I also don't want to have to unnecessarily take up other admin's time. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 06:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- I thought that this would be a simple change to the infobox code, but it turned out to be a lot more complicated than I expected, see the discussion at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Interface_admin_request. Thanks to @Zhuyifei1999: , the gadget has now been implemented, and the discussion about enabling this by default is now at Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Displaying_multiple_images_in_the_Wikidata_Infobox_using_Javascript. I would still like to have interface admin access so that I can maintain that code and other codes as needed in the future. I am not interested in "overriding consensus", but I also don't want to have to unnecessarily take up other admin's time. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 06:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Interface admin request
Hi there, requesting interface admin permissions to help manage the backlog at Category:Commons protected edit requests for interface administrators which is currently sitting at 19 pages. I'm a bot operator and competent in both JS and CSS, so you don't have to worry about me breaking things. I also plan to stick to the easier/more basic ones too, so that also helps not break things. ~riley (talk) 00:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 08:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 08:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Flag UploadStatsBot
Hi there,
UploadStatsBot is popping up on Recent Changes as it is not a flagged bot. It was approved in 2014, but not assigned the bot flag per the operator putting "N" in the bot flag requested box. As it has grown in use since the original request, and is an active bot, I think it's appropriate it now be flagged unless Rillke objects? ~riley (talk) 05:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- This seems sensible to me. --99of9 (talk) 11:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable to me. Masum Reza📞 12:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- The bot is autopatrolled, why is RC a factor? --Krd 21:31, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: I may be reading this wrong, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Autopatrol is keeping the edits out of the Patrol log, but the edits are still showing up in Recent Changes as the bot is not flagged as a bot. ~riley (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually many users including Riley don't want to see bot edits in their watchlist. Masum Reza📞 22:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- That is a broader topic needing a general discussion. Hiding small automated edits makes sense. But should major changes be hidden just because they where made by a script? And what is with tools enabling every user without a formal request making thousands of edits mostly in a very short time. --GPSLeo (talk) 00:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually many users including Riley don't want to see bot edits in their watchlist. Masum Reza📞 22:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Krd: I may be reading this wrong, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Autopatrol is keeping the edits out of the Patrol log, but the edits are still showing up in Recent Changes as the bot is not flagged as a bot. ~riley (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thats why I'm asking, watchlist is a different thing than RC, and I'd think most RC users will hide patrolled. Am I mistaken? --Krd 06:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo: This is indeed an instance of small automated edits. @Krd: Most users maintain RC defaults which do not hide patrolled edits; I am one of them. Masumrezarock100 does make an additional point with watchlists too. ~riley (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- In any case the bot must actively use bot=1 in its requests for the thing to work. I'd appreciate if anybody could speak with the operator first. --Krd 19:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Good catch, thought he was running pywikibot for some reason (actually node.js) - I have approached the operator. ~riley (talk) 20:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- In any case the bot must actively use bot=1 in its requests for the thing to work. I'd appreciate if anybody could speak with the operator first. --Krd 19:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo: This is indeed an instance of small automated edits. @Krd: Most users maintain RC defaults which do not hide patrolled edits; I am one of them. Masumrezarock100 does make an additional point with watchlists too. ~riley (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thats why I'm asking, watchlist is a different thing than RC, and I'd think most RC users will hide patrolled. Am I mistaken? --Krd 06:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Considering myself only one of its maintainers, with the primary goal to offer a value to Commons' users, you may assign the bot user group to UploadStatsBot. I can set the bot flag in the bot's source code after it has been flagged, whenever I have some spare time left for it. However, please note that assigning the bot user group to a user means more that just flagging edits as bot: Rate limits disappear and the attack surface as well as incident expand on malfunctions potentially increases. -- Rillke(q?) 14:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Done --Krd 15:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- As not visible in Git, the assertions have been changed from
user
tobot
. This means, the bot should stop, if removed from the bot group. -- Rillke(q?) 16:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- As not visible in Git, the assertions have been changed from
- Done --Krd 15:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 15:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
upload_by_url right request
I want to upload files from [17] by url. I request upload_by_url right for my bot User:wmr-bot. Thanks!--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
upload_by_url
right is included in bot flag. -- CptViraj (📧) 14:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC)- Got it. Thanks!--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- @維基小霸王: digital.archives.go.jp is not on the whitelist. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 14:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- I has just been added. [18]--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 15:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
ipblock-exempt
With several 4-hour long train journeys a month, these are useful quiet times to review and consider Commons projects. However, the train WiFi, depending on provider, tends to block even viewing Commons pages, so I sometimes use an independent IP redirect service or attempt to use the mobile addresses which may not normally blocked for reading. Even then, the anti-vandal approach of restricting open proxies means that even when I can log in, it is not possible to post edits while on the train. I have not analysed the IP blocks, but my presumption is that these are known commercial open proxies that may be used far more widely than the train providers alone. There are methods I have used of working around this for urgent purposes, like tunnelling to my own headless server, but doing so has more potential to compromise browser sessions, or attract external hacks, and tends to be awkwardly slow.
Following IP block exemption, requests for the exemption can be made privately but should be made directly to checkusers or bureaucrats, so raising here as there is no confidential reason for this request. I think that an exemption would enable me to log in and edit using a free service like that run by Cloudflare, or via a TOR browser, making it easier to respond to issues when travelling, such as from bot activities. My presumption is that more complex services like running a shell on toolforge would fail, which is probably just as well.
Anyway requesting the exemption or better advice, so I can try editing Commons when travelling. It seems low risk as my account has 2FA set up and I would only log in using my main account. --Fæ (talk) 13:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Done You might also consider applying for the exemption wikiverse-wide to allow you to edit other projects, in which case please let us know so that we can remove the exemption locally. odder (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! I will see how useful the local exemption is in practice before taking it further. --Fæ (talk) 11:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: --Krd 12:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)