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Renaming Picture File

This picture file "Trinity Protestant Episcopal Church.jpg" is wrong. The name should be "First Evangelical Lutheran Church"

I understand someone with privileges has to rename it. Please do so.

Can I reuse the original name after the file has been renamed?

Wiki name (talk) 00:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 01:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Learning Tools Interoperability.jpg

I have uploaded a file that I created myself - I would like assistance in attaching a license to it. I want it to be freely licensed to anyone that wants it. I want to make sure its permanent so that it does not get deleted. I'm adding it into my wikipedia.

Its called:


--Brianmbarney (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't want attribution you can just use public domain see Category:PD license tags or Category:CC license tags if you do. If you decide which we can help narrow it down.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Canoe1967 (talk) 21:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Retouching image

I have an image which I have uploaded that really needs to be retouched, but the only image editing software I have installed at this time is MS Paint, and there's not much you can do with that. Can someone help me with Deep Creek, Florida Sign.jpg? PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 20:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • GIMP is free and quite good. If you don't want to do the fix yourself, though, you can request help through Commons:Graphic Lab. - Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

[[Image:Example]] or [[File:Example]]

Hello.. I come from Wikipedia. Anyway, I wanna know what's up with hosting images on a local Wikipedia rather than on Commons. Also, is it [[Image:Example]] or [[File:Example]] when trying to put something in a Wikipedia article. Is one for pictures hosted on a local Wikipedia and the other for pictures hosted on Commons? Must you put .jpg or whatever it ends in inside the brackets too? mysterytrey (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

You can use either File: or Image:, and both work the same way. For consistency, File: is generally the recommended version on English projects. Media hosted on Commons is included in exactly the same way as media hosted locally. If there is a locally hosted file with the same name as a file on Commons, the locally hosted file is used, and the only way to avoid that is to delete or rename the locally hosted file. The file type extension is part of the file name and must be included. LX (talk, contribs) 07:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
To expand on that. Some images are hosted locally and on commons so that can have some extra protection of those images. This generally refers to the images that are in the top 500 in usage. In addition, hosts fair use images. If you find public domain or creative commons images hosted on, you are free to move them to commons (if you can figure out how to make the move to commons helper work). Ryan Vesey Review me! 13:22, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
And to expand one step further: by "fair use images", Ryan means non-free images for which a non-free use justification has been stated. These images are used in en-wiki under the doctrine of fair use. Commons does not allow images used on that basis, nor do any of several other WMF wikis, such as the German-language Wikipedia. - Jmabel ! talk 15:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all. All questions of mine answered. mysterytrey (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 17:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Food in bowl.jpg

I downloaded this file from flicker. It's under the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-SA 2.0). So I am not sure what the problem is. Thanks

--Ebaychatter0 (talk) 01:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

When you uploaded the file, you didn't include a licence template. It was added after and reviewed, there are no problems apart from the lack of categorisation. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
That's been taken care of as well now. LX (talk, contribs) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Revert File:Home_Insurance_Building.JPG

It seems to me that File:Home_Insurance_Building.JPG should be reverted. the current version was uploaded as "better," but it's just a fuzzier upsampling of the original. --Belg4mit (talk) 19:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. I took the liberty of instead replacing it with the original version from the Library of Congress, which is actually of better quality. LX (talk, contribs) 19:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Indeed it is, thanks! --Belg4mit (talk) 17:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 19:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.jpg

Discussion moved to Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.jpg after correcting the malformed deletion request. LX (talk, contribs) 08:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 08:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Old book with lapsed copyright

Is it OK to upload an old PDF book whose copyright has lapsed and was not renewed in the US? It appears to be in the public domain. Thanks. -- Chonak (talk) 06:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is OK. Please be sure to provide all details: author, date and place of publication. Thanks, Yann (talk) 07:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia login doesn't work on Wikimedia Commons.

The Wikipedia image uploading help page informed me that my Wikipedia login would automatically work there. It doesn't. What to do?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 21:54, 3 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Who knows. There is absolutely no way that anyone can help you without knowing how it didn't work (the exact error messages) and what your Wikipedia login is.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

"Login error There is no user by the name "Jsallen1". Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account."

I had just logged into Wikipedia a few minutes earlier -- same account.

May I also comment that the brusque tone of the response is offputting. I'm trying to be helpful and make a contribution here, cleaning up an image, and I'm good at that. While I have supported Wikipedia both with a financial contribution and with edits, there are other ways I could spend my money and my time.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 11:07, 4 August 2012‎ (UTC)

And, by the way, I do have cookies enabled in my browser.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 11:25, 4 August 2012‎ (UTC)
I think you may need to go to en:Special:MergeAccount to activate unified login for your account. LX (talk, contribs) 11:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
There's other ways I could be spending my time, too. I didn't see anyone else rushing to a question that violated all the rules of bug reporting, that was basically unanswerable without more information.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Sir or madam, thanks for your useful answer. Please understand that while I am a willing contributor to Wikipedia, I am not a professional software tester, and neither do I think that getting polite answers should be limited to people who have that qualification. I didn't give my username because 1) it didn't work and 2) I didn't think that would be necessary, because the problem, as I explained it the first time, was clearly that the system didn't automatically transfer it to Wikimedia Commons as the Wikimedia uploading help page said it would. There is a problem either with the software or with the instructions on that page. I'll solve the problem for myself but I hope that it can be solved for others too.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 01:11, 5 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Would you mind signing your posts, so I can remember that I shouldn't bother answering them unless I'm in a mood to be the proper level of obsequious?--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
The user name was relevant information, because it helps us see things like whether the account exists here on Commons or whether there might be another user with the same user name (which can happen because unified login was introduced after several years of separate logins for each project). In this case, once you provided your user name, I saw that your original account was created a long time ago (which is relevant). This is why I recommended en:Special:MergeAccount. I'm not sure if that's what helped you in the end, but I see that your account is now active here on Commons, so I'm marking this section as resolved. LX (talk, contribs) 12:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Gagan Narang Olympics.jpg

How can I know the license of any images? Help mee

--Sgxi (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a copyright violation. Deleted. Please do not upload images you find on the Internet. Thanks, Yann (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Youth Olympic Pictures and Licence


I would like to add the photos of the Youth Olympic Games 2012 in the Commons. The photos are on and, this to link to the website.

My question is can I add the photos and if so, what license?

Thank you --Lukas Mall (talk) 12:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Most photos on the Internet have a copyright, and you need a written permission from the photographer. See COM:OTRS for details. Most professional photographers do not give such a permission. Some photos on Flickr are under a free license. Check for the CC-BY license, and beware that non-commercial restrictions are not allowed. Best regards, Yann (talk) 12:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The other thing that should be mentioned is that no-derivatives restrictions are also not allowed on Commons. See Commons:Flickr files (particularly the summary at the top). LX (talk, contribs) 12:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Happy Pledis - Love Letter.ogg

This is a sample less than 10% of the song, edited to the lowest quality using Audacity, so why?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urville86 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Non-free audio samples (see e.g. en:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples or en:Template:Non-free audio sample on Wikipedia) are forbidden on Commons. This project is a free content only project, no fair use here. Please read the instructions before doing something on a project. --Martin H. (talk) 13:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

gallery tool doesn't list files uploaded by Flickr bot

Gallery tool doesn't list files uploaded by Flickr bot

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebaychatter0 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 5 August 2012‎ (UTC)
There is no User:Flickr bot on this project. Do you mean User:Flickr upload bot? The Gallery tool works just fine on that account as well. If you mean that the Gallery tool does not list files uploaded by Flickr upload bot under your account, that's because the Gallery tool lists files based on who uploaded them, and you didn't upload those files. LX (talk, contribs) 09:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Ban my account please

Please ban my account thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamthemuffinman (talk • contribs) 17:14, 5 August 2012‎ (UTC)
It really would have helped if you'd signed your entry as instructed so that one didn't have to go digging in the page history to find out what "my account" means. I don't know if we normally honor such requests, but considering you only seem to be here for vandalism purposes, I guess you should be blocked. I've no idea why you'd register an account just to deliberately try to get blocked, though. LX (talk, contribs) 18:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
✓  Done , per his own wish. Account was globally locked anyway[1]. --Túrelio (talk) 10:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 12:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Images uploaded ...

How does one create categories like Category:Images uploaded by User:Yjenith and Category:Images modified by User:Yjenith without manually editing/sifting through all my own uploads. Is there an easier way in which I wouldn't have to go through all my images and edit them or use HotCat? I want something like this to keep track of all the images I've uploaded especially the ones other people had edited/uploaded over and no longer shown in my file list. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

If you go to someone's user page then go to the toolbox on the left, there should be a user uploads button. You should just click that, there isn't a real reason to create a category page and I'm not entirely sure it is within policy. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:34, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Are we on the same subject? I am talking about my own. I already know about the existent of the "user uploads button" what I called my file list.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
@KAVEBEAR: If you have the list of files which should be in the category, you could always use AWB to add the categories (apply for AWB access at COM:RfR).
@Ryan Vesey: Actually, it seems to be a fairly standard practice - there's even a template to use on the category page: {{User category}}. The resultant category is supposed to be hidden, though, so you might not have seen them if you don't have "Show hidden categories" checked at Special:Preferences --> Appearance. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 05:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

How Do I Replace My Own Picture With an Edited Version

In the Help it says -- Go to the image page. Under "File history", there is a link that says "Upload a new version of this file".

I did not find the "Upload a new version of this file" link referred to in this Help.

Wiki name (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

You may have to be here for 4 days and 10 edits to be able to upload.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Seems you have. Are you looking at the file on a wp or commons?--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Right below the box with the thumnails and left?--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I had never noticed the image was displayed in both WP and commons. I was looking at the page in WP.
Will the use locations automatically get updated to the newer version? -- Wiki name (talk) 16:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand that last question, but anything that references the image by name will get the latest image (once the caches update). - Jmabel ! talk 00:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I have uploaded a new file and the new picture appears on the thumbnail, however, once you click the thumbnail and your redirected to the file page, the old image is still there. Can I change this?

Renaming an image

The image MrTartamella.jpg, which I own should be renamed Mr.Lorenzo.Tartamella.jpg. Can this be corrected? - unsigned

  • Convenience link: File:MrTartamella.jpg.
  • There are a few ways to make this happen. I suggest {{rename}}. I also suggest that a better name would be simply File:Lorenzo Tartamella.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 00:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
    • That said, is this really your own work? It's a rather professional-looking image, and I see you have no other uploads or contributions. I see an apparently identical image at, where they claim copyright and do not credit you as the photographer. It would seem to me that permissions for this photo need to be handled through COM:OTRS. - Jmabel ! talk 00:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Seemannsschule.jpg

Die Datei stammt aus dem Internet, es ist eine alte Postkarte, Photo davon, von der Webseite Das Bild ist älter als 70 Jahre.

--Hammerhai1 (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • So put that as the licensing for the image, not here on the Help Desk. - Jmabel ! talk 00:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Burghard Flieger.jpg

I have got this image from my friend Burghard Flieger; it is his "official" portrait foto which is often published in the Internet. Im am wiriting since some years minor things in Wikipedia but did never upload a foto, so concerning this point I am a real beginner. So my question is which kind of common licence I have to use to get the image publishes in wikipedia

--Tylerol (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Was it taken by a professional photographer? Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tylerol! Wikimedia Commons (this site) is a repository of free media used by Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, and others. Commons only hosts content that can be used by anyone for any purpose. For Commons to host the image, the copyright holder would have to agree to publish it under a license that allows anyone to use it for any purpose, such as Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike or Creative Commons Attribution. If the copyright holder is willing to do that, please document their permission using our standard form and send it in to our permission archive. Please note that for photographs depicting people, the copyright holder is typically not the people depicted, but the photographer. Thanks, LX (talk, contribs) 18:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

giving copyright credit for an image

I uploaded this image and need to give copyright credit to Vertical magazine since they took the photo, but gave us permission to use as long as credit is attributed to them. How do I do this correctly? --Sabrina LeBeouf (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Певица Тамара Игнатьевна Радченко-Лялина, Екатеринбург, 1972..jpg

I have just uploaded the image under request of Tamara Radchenko from Russia, Ekaterinburg. This photo was send to me by her family, and the photo was taken by her husband Anatoly who died many years ago. What else should I do for this photo in order not to have this deleted? I am helping some old actors in Russian with their biographics for Wiki, and I will appreciate your advice and recommendation. Thanks a lot.--Rozochka (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I have update this file with 'Public domain' (this photo was taken by the singer's husband Anatoly Lialin who died in 2000). I am asking you to take out the delete sign if it is possible. I would like to finish working with this article but I am willing to follow all your requests to have it under your rules. Thank you.-- 18:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Sort keys in categories

Hi, I got into a discussion with User:PeterWD about the value of sort keys for categorisation. In this case it is about a number of helicopters made by Westland. Most of them are named Westland ... and are consequently listed in Category:Westland Aircraft under the letter "W" for Westland, Their names such as Lynx or SeaKing would make me feel that they should be categorised under "L" or "S" respectively. The user is of an different opinion. Please look into our discussion here and here. Is there a policy? Thanks for info, --KuK (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

How to delete uploaded file(s)?

Hi, I would like to know how do i delete uploaded files?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulblis (talk • contribs)
Hi, It would help if you mention which files, i.e. your own files or files from others? Yann (talk) 05:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Correct license for French military insignias


I have been looking at the files in Category:Military insignia of France such as File:BAPN.jpg. Most of these files are tagged incorrectly as {{Own}} as obviously the uploader did not create the insignia, just took a picture of it or scanned it. Are these files allowed on Commons and if yes, what is the best way to correct the description pages? Cheers. Badzil (talk) 16:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, It does not answer the question, but you can see also Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2012/01#French military insignia. Unfortunately, I didn't find more information on the subject. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


Is there any reason for that to behave differently from {{tl}}? I don't see why it would be desirable to have the brackets linked and feel that {{t}} should be a redirect instead. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

{{Tl}} should not exist like all other two-letter-templates that aren't for enclosing localized text. -- Rillke(q?) 22:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Rillke, I'm sorry, why shouldn't these exist? {{tl}} is one of the more common cross-wiki templates that I've run across (see en:Template:Tl's interwikis). --Philosopher Let us reason together. 00:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I am confused as well, why don't you think it should exist? Ryan Vesey Review me! 00:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Because two-letter templates are used for ISO 639-1 codes like {{En}} or {{Fr}}. tl should be for Tagalog.--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Are we likely to be using it for Tagalog? If we are, I suppose a move could make sense. But given the inter-wiki familiarity of the template, its current use makes the most sense until/unless a need for the Tagalog one comes up. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 12:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
There's 6,851,702 uses of {{En}}, 31,080 uses of {{Uk}} and 1497 uses of {{Tgl}}, which by the proper naming standard of language templates should be {{Tl}}. I don't know how many misuses of tl for tgl there are, but with 1,500 uses of tgl, I'd expect a few.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:33, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
For comparison, though, there's 290,242 current uses of {{tl}} as a template-link template. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 19:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Which doesn't negate the fact that it's an intrusion into the system of ISO 639-1 templates. There's over 20 times as many uses of en as tl, so I'm guessing one or the other would get changed if tl stood for English or some other bigger language.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
But it isn't - and changing it here wouldn't only affect the (apparently many) Commons users who currently use {{tl}}, but also users coming from the many other projects that use the same template. On balance, I'd say that justifies a (small) intrusion into the ISO 639-1 system. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Back to Ryan Vesey's question, I guess some people just like to link the brackets? I prefer not to, but I suppose it's a matter of preference. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 12:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, personally I'd prefer not having anything that links the brackets. It makes it a bit harder to read. On {{t}} redirects to {{tl}} allowing me to use {{t}}; however, I must remember to use {{tl}} here. If people have a reason for {{t}} to behave differently I suppose I'll just live with it. I'm not a fan though. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

This "small" inconsistency can cause many technical problems. Extra work for UpWiz & Co. When creating a scheme you must enforce consistency or you will fail at some point: An exception here and there and at some point you'll lose track of all the exceptions. -- Rillke(q?) 12:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Updating existring files with categories, copyright information, etc.

How do you update an existing file that you already uploaded to wikimedia commons with updated licensing info and or updating catecories for the files to be used?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by PsdnCeray70 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 31 July 2012‎ (UTC)
You edit the text on the relevant file page. Note that you may not revoke a license you already granted, but you can add additional licenses. - Jmabel ! talk 00:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Are you really the original designer of the city flags of San Gabriel, Carson and Garden Grove in California? LX (talk, contribs) 19:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Fiszkoteka 600px.png

w jakis sposob dodac do wikicommons zastrzezone logo, do wykorzystania w charakterze fair use (infobox na stronie artykulu o serwisie)? Takie rzeczy na pewno w wikipedii są możliwe -- choćby w artykule o jest logo tego serwisu, a z pewnoscia nie jest to logo na licencji creative commons.

dotyczy pliku Plik:Fiszkoteka 600px.png oraz artykulu


--Mjrfiszer (talk) 05:52, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

URL questions

How does one find all the images/sites beginning with a specific url like "" for example? I've try searching under site:"url" but that doesn't work.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean how to find pages on Commons which contain a URL beginning with a specific string? Unfortunately, Special:LinkSearch does not accept wildcards at the end of the URL – only the beginning. Special:Search/ seems to work, though.
Or do you mean how to find images on the Internet hosted under a URL beginning with a specific string? Normally, should work, but it looks like Google hasn't found or indexed anything hosted there (probably because the site seems to be down). LX (talk, contribs) 19:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
The second one.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Public domain

Regarding this picture[2], I received an email from the Office of the Treasurer of Indiana and I was told that this picture is in the public domain. What is the appropriate licensing here? Truthsort (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The important question is why it would be in the public domain. If it had been taken by a photographer working for the United States Federal Government, it would be in the public domain according to US copyright law, but the works of most state governments (which I'm guessing this is) are not exempt from copyright protection. According to (from which the image was taken), "the ... materials on or related to the Portal are protected under applicable copyright, trademark and other proprietary and intellectual property rights. In most cases, the content is owned by the state agency choosing to make its information available through the service. The copying, redistribution, use or publication by you of any such materials or any part of the Portal, except as allowed for in the Limited Right to Use section below, is strictly prohibited." LX (talk, contribs) 15:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
So, why would he tell me it is in the public domain? Truthsort (talk) 20:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I think you might have to ask him that. LX (talk, contribs) 21:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm noting that the picture is of the State Treasurer. Without knowing anything about IN rules, it would seem to be perfectly plausible that this would fall under the "In most cases, the content is owned by the state agency," and that the Treasurer's office would be able to release the photo of its department head. Forward the e-mail according to the instructions at COM:OTRS and one of the OTRS agents should be able to deal with it. Assuming the release checks out, the appropriate template is probably {{PD-because}}. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


I just uploaded file:Tom Mix dendroglyph.JPG (and file:Tom Mix dendroglyph title.JPG) to illustrate en:Arborglyph, having seen that there's a lot of graffiti here. Now I see that there's a tag casting doubt on the copyright status of graffiti. Is there a policy? Did I make a mistake? And it belatedly occurs to me—is it possible that Tom Mix's estate has personality rights covering this picture? JerryFriedman (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

On the topic of personality rights, I might add that Mix died in 1940. JerryFriedman (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
It's complex. In the US, personality rights are generally limited to commercial exploitation of the person, so they don't affect Commons much. Graffiti is hairy; I'm not sure of court cases denying a graffiti artist copyright, but IIRC there was one in France protecting them. (It's important to distinguish between illegal graffiti and murals done in a graffiti style, which definitely get copyright.) Fortunately, in this case they're old US works; since they were in public and the creator made no effort to stop photography, they needed to have a copyright notice and be filed for copyright and renewed, which is absurdly unlikely in this case.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll leave the pictures right where they are. JerryFriedman (talk) 04:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Lost search abilities

I use Wikimedia Commons frequently. Up until today, I have been able to search words that were not names of categories and still find hundreds of images that had the search term in their titles or descriptions. Now, I get no search results unless I type the name of a category. I cannot even locate the images I have contributed through a search. For example, "chromosome," "dna," "basque," "basque hen," and "silver ameraucana" are all searches I have performed recently that now bring up no results. Just Saturday, I searched for "Bielefelder" and found an image, but now it says, "There were no results matching the query." The categories do not contain nearly any of the images I was able to locate before using the simple search feature. What changed? Can it be fixed? Thank you!!!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchcradle (talk • contribs) 15:30, 6 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Seems to work for me. Check at the top of the search results page to make sure that you haven't accidentally limited the search to a different set of namespaces than you intended. We also had some rather major server problems earlier today which I guess may have affected some functionality. LX (talk, contribs) 16:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Tools are broken, again

I lost the ability to use HotCat, and edit my preferences... again! ----DanTD (talk) 04:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Had a similar problem (no popups or custom js) for an hour or so at about the same time, and then it resolved itself. DMacks (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, HotCat resolved itself, but now I can't even get into my preferences, and I can't upload any existing Wikipedia images to the commons, like this one. Whenever I try I get a "#" on the upper left-hand corner. ----DanTD (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


Found this picture on Wikimedia Commons: [3]. My question is: is this allowed? It is clearly done for commercial reasons. Citypeek (talk) 07:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, It is Out of scope, unless the person is famous. You can create a deletion request. Yann (talk) 08:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Theodor Weimer, Sprecher des Vorstands der HypoVereinsbank.jpg

Liebes Help desk,

bei dieser Datei handelt es sich um ein offizielles Pressebild, dessen Rechte bei der HypoVereinsbank liegen. Unter welche Lizenz fällt das Bild somit und wo finde ich das Einverständnisformular für die Verwendung durch Wikipedia?

Danke für eure Unterstützung. Lieben Gruß Sandra --Sommer1986 (talk) 10:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Hallo Sandra, wegen des unklaren Status wurde das Bild auch bereits 7 min nach Upload mit einem Problem-tag versehen. Falls keine Bestätigung eingeht (was eher nicht zu erwarten ist), wird es wohl morgen gelöscht werden. --Túrelio (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hallo, die Bestätigung der Presseabteilung der Bank habe ich vorliegen. Leider ist mir aus früheren Zeiten noch im Kopf, dass Wikipedia einen speziellen Freigabetext hatte. Aus dem Grund die Frage, wo ich diesen finde und welche Lizenz es ist, wenn es sich um ein Pressebild handelt. Ist es eine öffentliche Lizenz oder oder oder. Kenne mich leider mit den Lizenzvorgaben nicht so ganz aus und möchte nicht erst das eine Anfordern und dann das nächste. Danke und lieben Gruß Sandra --Sommer1986 (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

adding missing copyright info

I just uploaded this file [4] and got a message that it lacks copyright information. I had clicked on the proper copyright status, faithful reproduction of a two dimensional work, but that seems not to have been saved. How do I fix that now? Malcolm Schosha (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

✓  Done , but note the typo in the {{Information}} field: you are listing two different years of death (1870 and 1873). Which year is correct? --Stefan4 (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. The dates (1834 - 1873) are Hartmann's birth and death years [5]. He died young, and was the subject of Modest Mussorgsky's rather well known 1874 composition, 'Pictures at an Exhibition'. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:La Loche, Saskatchewan tepees.jpg

Cannot find the proper license yet the copyright has expired.

--Kayoty (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Pani Da Rang.jpg

The image I uploaded is a screenshot from the Indian Song Pani Da Rang, but the commons copyright states that it contains copyrighted matter from Eros International Media Ltd. I've uploaded the image as my own work. Please help me by suggesting which license and copyright should I actually include the image into. I want the song screenshot to be added like File:Rockstar SS74.jpg for Naadan Parindey or File:Lazy lamhe.jpg for Lazy Lamhe

--Nikkiemishra 04:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a copyright violation, plain and simple. Don't upload non-free content created by media companies and claim that it's your own work. File:Rockstar SS74.jpg is also a copyright violation, and Wikipedia:en:File:Lazy lamhe.jpg is a non-free file hosted at the English Wikipedia project. Commons does not host non-free content. LX (talk, contribs) 07:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Need assistance with copyrights.

I submitted 4 images on Wikipedia. All of them have been getting warnings due to non-free content. Here is an example:

I was told by another user, who reviewed my images/submissions, to just draw images similar to the ones submitted, but made myself, because they are simple diagrams. I did this for all diagrams, but when attempting to submit them, I have the option to use Wikimedia commoms, or just wikipedia. The problem I have is with the clause "inspired by others”. What I was told was to just draw the diagrams, based on the existing earlier submissions. I did that, but don't want to get slapped on the hands for submitting something close to a non-free work. The images are meant to go along with text in an article for which there is currently only a stub. The article I am working on, expands on that, and the images are to clarify what the article is explaining. The text by itself is enhanced by using these images. So based on this, I guess the question is related to what is considered "inspired by other". I did not invent the graphics I have now created myself, they are similar to the ones I found on the internet and submitted previously, the difference is that I drew them myself. The information inside them is the same, no copy/paste of anything, just drawn in a simple editor.

Will such graphics be allowed in Commoms? If not, how do I go about this if I can not use the submitted images due to non-free policy, and not use diagrams made based on them, even though I was told to do just that?

Thanks!--Pointdexter5 (talk) 06:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you should create your own graphics, so they could be accepted. Yann (talk) 07:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Looking at en:File:CCMP - MAC Protocol Data Unit (MPDU).gif, I really see nothing original or creative about it, so I would say it's ineligible for copyright protection ({{PD-ineligible}}). It's just a standard tabular representation of a well-known data structure. Not too "inspiring" really. :) If all the illustrations you have in mind are similarly simple, you could either upload the original versions to Commons or upload your own versions (preferably in SVG format rather than GIF). LX (talk, contribs) 07:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I created JPG versions myself, but with identical data. Not 100% identical, but really close, which is where my concern came from that they may not be accepted. A user on Wikipedia suggested I just upload them to Wikipedia only for now, so they would be evaluated later for move to Commons. Any opinions on that? --Pointdexter5 (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:COIMBATORE.jpg

How to give copy rights to the image uploaded? --Makinnovations (talk) 14:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Unless you took these photos, you can't release the rights on them. I am guessing that you did not, and this should be deleted as a copyright violation. - Jmabel ! talk 15:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by "give copy rights to the image". Copyright is the right of an author to decide who may use his work and how they may use it. In other words, taking other people's photos from the Internet and using them without their permission is illegal. Unless you can show that all the photos you used are published under a free license, we can't host them here. Please re-read Commons:First steps to understand the basics of what this project is all about. LX (talk, contribs) 15:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

uploading a photo


I am writing an entry about a poet, and I would like to upload a picture to the wikimedia commons. The poet sent me a picture but she doesn't remember who took it, only where it was taken. It is not one of the pictures she already has on line. Can I upload the picture? or what information should I get in order to be able to upload it?

Meitalklachuk (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)MEITAL14:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sadly, no. Unless it was work for hire, the photographer owns the copyright, and if the photographer is unknown there is no way to ask for those rights. - Jmabel ! talk 15:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Releasing partial copyright

I'm a professional photographer with an image or two I'd like to contribute to the article on the copper mine in Kennecott Alaska, however I'm not willing to release all of the rights on the image. Is there a way to release some of the rights? I'm not okay with allowing people to use the image for comercial reasons and it would be a shame to not use the images at all.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanarchaeology (talk • contribs) 21:12, 8 August 2012‎ (UTC)
No. The core of Wikimedia projects is free content, all content must be free to reuse by anyone, anytime, for any purpose including commercial purposes. Content that is not free is not in scope of the projects. Therefore its not a shame that such files cant be use, it just doesnt matter as the existence of unfree content doesnt matter for the projects. See Commons:Licensing and Commons:Project scope#Must be freely licensed or public domain, its your decission. --Martin H. (talk) 22:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
There are many reasons for Wikimedia Commons to require media hosted here to be published under licenses which allow commercial use, just as Wikipedia requires its contributors to allow commercial use of their texts. See Commons:Licensing/Justifications. LX (talk, contribs) 07:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Therefore is is not a shame.

Thank you nazipedia. Enjoy your crappy images on the Kennecott page.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanarchaeology (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Equating this project's choice of only hosting content that anyone can use with the persecution and slaughter of millions of people based on race, religion, disabilities, mental health and political views... I can see why you wouldn't sign that statement. LX (talk, contribs) 11:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 11:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic license

One of my images (File:Kelenken artists impression.jpg) was nominated for deletion. This is merely because of a mistake on my side. I'm a commons noob and didn't know how to correctly fill in the "permission" box. The author of this image has stated that i can put it on commons as long as he is credited. I believe this is called the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic license (please correct me if i'm mistaken), but i cannot find the template for this license. thank you in advance -- Amphicoelias (talk) 07:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Requiring attribution is a requirement of CC-BY license, {{Cc-by-2.5}} or preferably {{Cc-by-3.0}}, commonly also a requirement to distribute any derivative works under Creative commons is included (share alike): {{Cc-by-sa-2.5}} and {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}. However, it is not enough for you to simply write in the image description that the author allows licensing the image under Creative commons; we need a proper permission from the copyright holder. See Commons:OTRS for instructions. MKFI (talk) 13:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
A file is published under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic license if the copyright holder states that it is published under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic license. You cannot take a statement that only mentions Commons and attribution and assume that the copyright holder is OK with all of the terms and conditions of some specific license that happens to require attribution. As has been explained in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kelenken artists impression.jpg, you cannot select a license on behalf of the copyright holder. LX (talk, contribs) 18:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 18:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

uploading a received image

I have asked for and received an image to upload on commons, but this image was not before uploaded to the net. What should i write under "source" in the uploader? Amphicoelias (talk) 21:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Write the source, from where you got the image. -- Asclepias (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
so, just the name of the person who sent it to me? Your answer is pretty vague. I will be more specific: I didn't find it anywhere on the net or in a book or in a magazine. I asked the photographer if he had a picture of something and he send me one. Amphicoelias (talk) 09:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
received by email from X should be OK. Yann (talk) 10:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
You'll also need to provide evidence that the copyright holder has approved publication under a license that allows anyone to use the image for any purpose. Permission to upload to Commons only is not sufficient. Please use our standard permission form and send it in to our permission archive. LX (talk, contribs) 16:47, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 18:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Photo on public Facebook page - is it okay to use if it is cited. Please read below

This is a pic of a game show host from his personal, yet open to the public facebook page. The comic/game show host expired on 11 August 2012 so I am unable to contact to ask for permission or to get crediting info. BUT, here is the link and if it is usable, the pic is here along with the announcement of his passing by a family member.

BillRafferty From Personal-public Facebook page 12 Aug 2012.jpg From

Since it is on a PUBLIC visible FB wall AND it has the subject's name on the pic, I figured that it was fair game as long as we cited where it came from. No info on who took the pic is available when the photo "Properties" are open, either. Just the comedian's name is embedded on the bottom of the photo.


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmc33 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 12 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Sorry, but you are wrong. You are maybe right that you can use a picture under en:fair dealing/en:fair use or however you like to call it. But you cant upload it here. The scope of this project is to collect en:free content, not unfree content. Thats why fair dealing is forbidden here, thats why free content requirements must be fulfilled. Thats what the "free" in "free encyclopedia" is about. --Martin H. (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
The fact that a photo has been published on Facebook does not in any way mean that it's free enough to upload to Commons. See Commons:Image casebook#Internet images. LX (talk, contribs) 18:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 18:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:5 Milliards d'années.jpg


--Hopxamax (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a copyright violation, so the image isn't allowed here. --Stefan4 (talk) 09:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 17:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

uploading a photo


I'm writing an entry about a poet. She gave me a picture of her to upload with the entry and she got permission from the photographer to use the photo. This photo is not on line. What license do I choose? Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Meitalklachuk (talk • contribs) 2012-08-13T16:03:19 (UTC)
Hi Meitalklachuk! Wikimedia Commons (this site) is a repository of free media used by Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, and others. Commons only hosts content that can be used by anyone for any purpose. For Commons to host the image, the copyright holder would have to agree to publish it under a license that allows anyone to use it for any purpose. Permission that only covers the use in a specific Wikipedia article or that is limited to Wikipedia, Commons or Wikimedia is not sufficient. You cannot choose the license on their behalf; nobody but the copyright holder can issue a valid license. If the copyright holder is willing to publish the photo under a free license such as the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license or the Creative Commons Attribution license, please document their permission using our standard form and send it in to our permission archive. Please note that for photographs depicting a person, the copyright holder is typically not the depicted person, but the photographer. Thanks, LX (talk, contribs) 17:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Could you tell me what is the difference if I upload the photo through the wikicommons, or if I upload it regularly by uploading a file in the wikipedia? Do I need the same permission? will it be easier? My purpose is to use this photo for the entry, I don't need to use it again. Will it be easier in terms of permission to use an already on line photo? thanks again.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Meitalklachuk (talk • contribs) 2012-08-13T18:46:43 (UTC)
There are over 280 Wikipedia projects, which all have their own policies. I see that you're active on the English Wikipedia project, so I assume your question relates specifically to that. While English Wikipedia does accept some non-free content, a non-free portrait photo of a living person would not be accepted, as there is no reason it shouldn't be possible to replace it with a free alternative. So just as for Commons, you'd have to obtain permission from the copyright holder to publish it under a license that allows anyone to use it for any purpose. LX (talk, contribs) 21:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 17:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Question by User:Kuuvalautta

Why were my files deleted?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuuvalautta (talk • contribs) 2012-08-13T20:57:24 (UTC)
According to the log, it says that User:Fastily deleted them as "nonsense". --Stefan4 (talk) 21:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 17:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Deleted account


while i was writting and finishing my article on wiki commons my account has been deleted. Why?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Monnalisa kids (talk • contribs)
If you read the message you received regarding the scope of this project you will see that we do not have "articles" here on Commons. They should be on the relevant Wikipedia, equally as a corporate article it was promotional too. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 08:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: LX (talk, contribs) 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Tekijänoikeus apuja File:Logo-htk.png

Lisäsin urheiluseuran logon Wikipedian Commonsiin. Sain herjausviestin, että kuva poistetaan pikana, koska copyright tietoja ei ole määritelty. Yritin löytää ohjeen oikeaan merkitsemiseen ja omasta mielestäni sellaisen löysin, mutta eipä tuo herjaus hävinnyt. Mitä teen väärin?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by OneEyeJeremy (talk • contribs) 07:32, 9 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Hei Jeremy. Commons on erittäin tiukka tekijänoikeuksista - emme hyväksy median josta meillä ei ole nimenomaista ilmoitus todistuksen, joka täyttää meidän politiikka. Sinä koodattu kuvasi olevan "fair use" - tämä ei ole sallittua Commons. Se voi kuitenkin olla liian yksinkertainen on tekijänoikeuksin, joten olen muuntaa sen poistopyyntö - Commons:Deletion requests/File:Logo-htk.png. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Commons policy on spam?

Does Commons have a policy on spam in the image description? I probably just looked in the wrong places, but I couldn't find anything about spam. I'm concerned with the description of this image. User:MuMETAL, apparently a hack for the Magnetic Shield Corporation, has been a persistant spammer at Wikipedia. Just wondered if this is ok or not? --Chetvorno (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Borderline. In general, you can edit descriptions to improve them. In this case, you might improve it by removing hype. - Jmabel ! talk 00:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Attribution of content moved to commons from other wikis, to commons user account

Hello, I uploaded this and that to de:wiki. Somebody else moved them to commons. No problem with that, but how do I get them to appear in commons:Special:MyUploads?-- Mkratz (talk) 12:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Only if you overwrite them with a new version of the file. But I don't think that this is really necessary.--Funfood 13:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Proper rotation of a photograph already donated to the commons but that is not upright

I added the photograph "John Marre's Soccer Team Circa 1934" to the Commons, and intend to add it to the entry, , but I am unable to properly adjust it. Might someone be able to help? Many thanks.Rgregory6 (talk) 10:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It says that you took the photo File:John Marre's Soccer Team Circa 1934.pdf in 1934. Were you already born in 1934? If not, the information on the file information page is wrong, meaning that the file might be a copyright violation. --Stefan4 (talk) 10:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Is good to have a grandpa working in commons .. hehehe --JotaCartas (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Earlier in the day, on these pages, I explained that the photo was not taken by me. Nor did I anywhere write that I took the photo. I explained that this photo is from family archives, saved by my father. Insofar as my family is aware, everyone related to this photo is dead and it was never published. Please re-read. I was advised that it can then be used. I attempted to place it in the Commons and encountered this technical difficulty. So I returned to ask this question. I was hoping for help, instead I get ignorance and sarcasm. 12:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It is possible that you might have listed different information elsewhere, but no such information is available anywhere in this discussion, and the file information page claims that you are the photographer. If you are not the photographer, you need to identify the photographer and prove that you have permission from the photographer to use the photo. The fact that the image appears in a family archive does not provide any information about the photographer. Your father could have saved it because he might appear on the photo (in which case he isn't the photographer), or because he was a fan of the team. Since the photo is unpublished, it enters the public domain in the United States 70 years after the death of the photographer, or, if there is no way to identify the photographer, 120 years after the photo was taken, so the photo is presumably still copyrighted. The listed licence, {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}, is only valid if you are the heir of the photographer, or if you have explicit permission from the photographer or from the photographer's heir. In either case, you need to prove that the licence claim is valid. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
The prior discussion is at En Wiki: en:Wikipedia:Help desk#Uploading a photograph.--ukexpat (talk) 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
So, the two responses contradict one another. Which is correct?Rgregory6 (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion continued from en:Wikipedia:Help desk#Uploading a photograph.--ukexpat (talk): what it boils down to is that there appears not to be a hard and fast rule in place. If "the copyright is owned by the photographer or his (sic) heirs," and if that form of ownership (however "ownership" is explicated here) is crucial, then there is nothing to discuss. But the situation is as I describe it above: approx. 80 years old, no evidence that it was ever published, no information concerning the photographer or the circumstances under which the photo was taken (e.g. perhaps the photograph was purchased from the photographer), etc. We have no way of knowing some of the relevant facts. So, in a case like this, for wikipedia, who adjudicates?Rgregory6 (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

The main problem here is that the photo appears to be unpublished, which tends to give it longer copyright protection in the United States. Had it been published, it would be much more likely that the photo already would be in the public domain, but as an unpublished photo, there is not really any chance that the copyright has expired. Also see en:WP:NFCC#4: fair use on English Wikipedia is not applicable unless you can prove that the photo has been published or displayed publicly. There are also other requirements for fair use and I'm not sure how you were planning to use the photo. The intended use of the photo might also fail fair use rules for some other reason. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I feel that we don't have sufficient information in order to keep this image, so I have proposed it for deletion: Commons:Deletion requests/File:John Marre's Soccer Team Circa 1934.pdf. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:RIE BBSR.jpg

--Udangng (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC) Hi Team,

I have been a regular reader of Wikipedia article however for the first time i tried to contribute on an article "Regional Institute of Education" that i have created today. but not sure what kind of Licensing issue i need to resolve..could you please help me on this... Below is the detail of image file. Please help what kind of details i need to provide.

--Udangng (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

  • What basis (if any) do you have to say this image is either in the public domain or under a "free" license? I don't see any reason to think it would be. - Jmabel ! talk 01:45, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Now i understood it..Let me know how can I now provide more information that should resolve the licensing issue. Can i edit the details for that image again?

--Udangng (talk) 07:26, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

  • You can edit them just like any other page. But, again, what basis (if any) do you have to say this image is either in the public domain or under a "free" license? - Jmabel ! talk 15:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

likeness law

In the U.S., what is the law (apart from copyright or trademark) on making available or using an image of a living person who may be recognizable to a third party but who may not have consented to the use, including commercial use (Wikipedia or maybe Wikimedia requires that licensing not exclude commercial use), of their likeness, who may not be a public figure, where the image is to be used other than for an article about that person (it may be used in an article about an organization or a product), and where it may be possible for someone unknown to interpret the image and its context as an endorsement of the organization or product by person/s in the image?

Further, unless the law completely bars such availability or use for a likeness of an adult, is the law more restrictive where the person may be a minor or incompetent or may be under age 13 or as young as approximately age 4?

If news or some other noncommercial use is permissible, do all of the pages in all of the Wikimedia projects qualify?

If personal consent or the consent of a parent, guardian, or custodian is required, how is consent to be established? For example, is it to be postally mailed to a Wikimedia Foundation office?

Thank you. Nick Levinson (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC) (Corrected my misspelling: 18:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC))

First of all, nobody here is a lawyer, and if they are, they're not your lawyer. All you'll get here should be considered a layman's analysis. If you need actual legal advice, consult an actual lawyer. My understanding is that in the United States, there is very little expectation of privacy in a public place. Photos of people, including non-public figures and minors, may be used in a fairly broad range of contexts, including for-profit contexts. That, however, may not extend to advertising, other contexts that might imply some kind of endorsement on behalf of the subject, or that might defame the subject. For more, see Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. LX (talk, contribs) 20:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm asking in order to determine what is acceptable within Wikimedia Foudndation projects, so finding my own lawyer would not help. I'm not clear fromn the pages linked to whether, for example, a school is where privacy is expectable by children. Whether or not it is, I'm not cleaer whether placing a photograph of a recognizable person in a Wikipedia article about a school would constitute a commercial endorsement of that school (even a nonprofit school) and therefore might require the person's consent. My inclination is to be cautious and assume such a photo cannot be used like that, but I'm not clear. Perhaps the relevant Wikimedia/Wikipedia policy pages need clarification, which is beyond my competence right now. Does this make my question any clearer? If not, I'll probably drop the matter. Thank you for your time. Nick Levinson (talk) 15:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC) (Resolution template removed.)
Ah. You might do better to ask at the Wikipedia where you want to use the photo. As an image repository, we don't control what Wikipedia or other reusers do, so we generally don't have to worry about the endorsement issue. I don't think Wikipedia would have to worry about it, since it is dedicated to covering things from a en:WP:NPOV, but this probably isn't the best place to discuss that. You might ask at en:Wikipedia:Help Desk if you want to use the image on the English Wikipedia. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 03:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Amy winehouse februar 2007.jpg

Ich habe ein Bild von Amy Winehouse hochgeladen und jetzt kann ich dass nicht verweden könnten Sie mir bitte helfen --Lady tinkerbell00 (talk) 15:00, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Ich habe das Bild zur Verweiderung markiert.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Vielen dank das du mein Bild zur verweigerung makiert hast denn ich wollte das es raus kommt aber wusste nicht wie ich es raus kriegen konnte =) --Lady tinkerbell00

Google translation is not good ;) You did nominate it for speedydeletion. Ymblanter hat das Bild zur Schnelllöschung nominiert. --Martin H. (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Trouble uploading

Some of the images that I have tried to upload today have generated a "Unknown error: "unknown-warning"." message. I can view these .jpg images on my computer in both Windows Explorer and Canon ZoomBrowser EX software. I have tried to upload them after downloading the files to my laptop, directly from the camera, from my SD card slot and via an SD card reader. Are there any known current glitches with images being uploaded. I shot the images today with a Canon EOS Rebel T3i.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 23:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I have been able to upload two of the problematic files (w:File:Kenwood Academy sculpture.JPG and w:File:Obama_first_kiss_monument.JPG) on Wikipedia although they are not uploading on Wikimedia.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 00:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Note that the latter has been reduced for FU considerations.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 05:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The most common cause for this is that the file name on your computer is something meaningless like DSCF0001. The error message is utterly unhelpful, and it should not even be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. The only workaround until this recently introduced defect in the Upload Wizard is fixed is to change the name on your computer before you upload. LX (talk, contribs) 08:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Oddly, files named IMG_3803.JPG, IMG_3804.JPG and IMG_3815.JPG uploaded successfully while 5 other numbers did not upload successfully. I will experiment with renaming before uploading and report back.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
That was the issue. Just uploaded 3808, 3822, 3824 and 3826.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 03:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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Can't upload file...

Eclipse Island Torndirrup.jpg

I tried several times to upload '800px-Eclipse_Island_Torndirrup.jpg' located on my computer to commons. The original file comes from en-Wikipedia [6]. What the matter? --Wurfzoll (talk) 10:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

You should not copy thumbnails but the entire image. Use tools:~magnus/commonshelper.php so that files are moved correctly. If you move a thumbnail image, it causes a lot of trouble for other people. Anyway, I've moved this file now (see right). --Stefan4 (talk) 12:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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Kann auf Commons bezüglich Fotos/Fotodateien ein Georeferenzierungs-Tool in die Eingabemaske für das Foto-Hochladen integriert bzw. ein solches verlinkt werden? Oder: Wenn Geo-Koordinaten fehlen sollte erscheinen: Koordinaten fehlen! Hilf mit.
--TOMM (talk) 07:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


I am the author of this file, which shows the dialectological map of the Tatar language, authored by Professor Gabdulkhay Akhatov. Can I rename it? In accordance with the copyright, you must specify the author of the map. Suggest the file rename to File:ДИАЛЕКТОЛОГИЧЕСКАЯ КАРТА Г. Х. АХАТОВА.jpg. Thank you.--История Казани (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • The name of the file is not normally an appropriate place to mention authorship unless the author is someone highly notable (e.g. subject of an encyclopedia article). If you renamed it that way, someone would probably just rename it back. The license you've provided makes it clear that no one can reproduce the map without crediting you. - Jmabel ! talk 15:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

File:10 euro notes from an ATM robbery.jpg

Please remove instandly meta data informations in this file description. Thanks.--Cruks (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

The copyright of this file is owned by Thomas Meyer. Are you Thomas Meyer? Then why do you want to remove metadata? These are useful information. Thanks, Yann (talk) 08:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes I am of course Thomas Meyer, but I dont want meta data shown with my correct name. Please remove.--Cruks (talk) 09:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
In general, if you don't want metadata showing, don't upload with metadata. You can remove it from a file (with exiftool or something similar) exactly as easily as someone else. In the specific case, my suggestion is that you request that the file be deleted; then you can upload again without the metadata. Alternatively, you can upload a new version without metadata, then someone can delete this version. - Jmabel ! talk 14:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Looks like Mattbuck has now done all the work for you. LX (talk, contribs) 16:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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User:Red Rose 13

SRF articles of incorporation needs licensing code and since it is a California legal document I used this one {{PD-CAGov}} but when I place it at the bottle of this document it displays Canada NOT california. can you help? THanks Red Rose 13 (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

It would help a lot if you would indicate what file page you are talking about. And I'm not sure what you mean by the "bottle of this document". -Jmabel ! talk 04:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but we can't help you if you don't reply to follow-up questions. LX (talk, contribs) 16:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Image use

I would like to use an image from a press pack found on the page: The company allows use of it if a credit is written below it. The company says on the media relations webpage above "Credit any images and video as follows: Images or video provided courtesy of St. Jude Medical, Inc." I tried uploading it under fair use and ticked the box about it being from a press pack, but it has been rejected. Can this image be accepted under any circumstances? It's a perfect illustration and is free to use if the credit is added. Thanks! Pnsmigraine (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Pnsmigraine! Wikimedia Commons (this site) is a repository of free media used by Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, and others. Commons only hosts content that can be freely used in modified or unmodified form by anyone for any purpose, including commercial purposes. Press images are generally intended only to be used in a very limited set of contexts in accordance with fair use. Because Commons is a general media repository, there is no specific context, so fair use content cannot be hosted here. For Commons to host the image, the copyright holder would have to agree to publish it under a license that allows anyone to use it for any purpose. LX (talk, contribs) 13:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
And if you want to know more about getting such agreement from a copyright holder, see COM:OTRS. - Jmabel ! talk 15:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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files with no "use this file" option

Some of the Wikimedia Commons files have a "use this file" option, others do not. How can I upload a file without the "use this file" option and use it on my blog? Clifford Browder

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliff browder (talk • contribs) 2012-08-14T17:33:34 (UTC)
Where do you find files without the "use this file" menu? --Stefan4 (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
That would be files without an information template and files with problem tags. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Copy the file and upload it to your blog as you would with any other file. Read the file's description page on Commons. Follow the terms of the license and write the relevant informations (attribution, licensing, etc.) with the file on your blog. The "use this file" option is merely an intermediary gadget that suggests examples of format for those same informations copied from the description page. You can do just as well by copying the relevant informations directly. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Asclepias assumes I know how to upload a file without the "use this file" option, but I don't. He tells me (in #37) to upload the file just as I would any other file -- which is precisely what I don't know how to do. When it comes to anything tech, don't underestimate my vast reserves of ignorance and stupidity. Half the files in Wikimedia Commons that I want to use are, for me, unobtainable. Clifford Browder
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliff browder (talk • contribs) 18:15, 14 August 2012‎ (UTC)
How to upload files to your blog depends on a number of factors such as where your blog is hosted and what operating system you use. We probably can't really help with that part, and we definitely can't do it without knowing those things. However, we can probably help you with how to describe the file on your blog with authorship and copyright information if you give some examples of files that you have in mind. LX (talk, contribs) 17:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to all -- I think I've got it. I just highlight the photo, click "save," go to the spot in a post where I want to insert it, and download it there. So far that has worked, including a photo not in Wikimedia Commons that I have permission to use. I learn by hit or miss, but I do -- finally -- learn. Cliff Browder

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliff browder (talk • contribs) 14:48, 16 August 2012‎ (UTC)
Well, you never told us which files the question was about, but keep in mind that in many cases you also have to attribute the author and state the license under which the file is published. All the content on Commons is free to use, but much of it is only free on the condition that you do those things, and in those cases, failing to do those things constitutes copyright infringement. LX (talk, contribs) 16:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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I want to use a photo, but the requirements read: "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor." Where is the listing is this wording provided so that when I list it I get it correct?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Timsunderland0531 (talk • contribs) 2012-08-14T16:32:17 (UTC)
If you'd link to indicate what photo, someone can probably clarify "the manner specified by the author or licensor." Without knowing what photo, it could be almost anything. - Jmabel ! talk 22:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but we can't help you if you don't reply to follow-up questions. LX (talk, contribs) 16:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Delete or duplicate my en.WP upload moved here by another

Several files that I originally uploaded to English WP were moved to Commons by other users. The downside for me is that the files are no longer listed under my contributions/uploads in either location which I used for much easier tracking purposes separate of the Watchlist. I would like to get these back in my list which means re-uploading myself. Is it considered tacky or a faux pas to upload the exact same file on top of the existing one (even under these circumstances) or is the better (if possible) solution to ask for the files to be deleted allowing me to upload them fresh? Or is there another option? Somehow, "uploaded by self" speedy delete from English WP doesn't sound valid for this since the file was transferred by another user, but uploading the same file on top seems wrong. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 19:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

  • If you really care to have this show up on your contributions list, then, yes, you'll pretty much have to upload an identical version. Not notably tacky, but I'm not sure I see the point: you can watchlist it regardless, and the page presumably already acknowledges you as the original uploader. You can also clarify that you are the author, if that has become unclear along the way. - Jmabel ! talk 22:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Since the files were all uploaded with CommonsHelper or another tool, the original upload log was transferred over, but this isn't about receiving credit. All of my uploads (so far) are logos. It has been far easier after a hiatus and a few other minor issues to scroll through a single page and see all of the images rather than going back through the whole watched list and clicking on each to view. Thanks for the help. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 02:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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Moving file


can anyone move en:File:Polygon types.svg to commons?

thank you in advance.--Arnaugir (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Copyright help regarding File:Ethnic Rock.jpg

--Cemfuns (talk) 07:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC) This is the cover art for Ethnic Rock . The cover art copyright is believed to belong to the record label or the graphic artist(s). The image is used for identification in the context of critical commentary of the work for which it serves as cover art. It makes a significant contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not practically be conveyed by words alone. The image is placed at the beginning of the article or section discussing the work, to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for. Use for this purpose does not compete with the purposes of the original artwork, namely the artist's providing graphic design services to music concerns and in turn marketing music to the public. You can check the address.I think use of the cover art in the article complies with Wikipedia non-free content policy and fair use under United States copyright law.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cemfuns (talk • contribs) 2012-08-15T07:43:03 (UTC)
It is a fair use image. Fair use images are not allowed on Commons but should be uploaded on Wikipedia instead. This file will have to be deleted from Commons. Besides, if you are talking about English Wikipedia, note that files are supposed to have a small resolution (en:WP:NFCC#3b). This image has a way too high resolution. --Stefan4 (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Please read Commons:Fair use. LX (talk, contribs) 16:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Wikisource-logo-as-3.svg

Need some help about the license problem of this file. As you can see that the file uploaded is a derivative work on Wikisource Logo and was created with the sole purpose of using it as a Logo for Assamese Wikisource which is in the pipeline. Same problem is with file, Wikisource-logo-as-5.svg. Initially I thought that the original logo is bearing license CC-by-SA, but when I checked the file, I found that the logos of Wikimedia Foundation are not in CC, so, I could not decide which license to apply. So, I uploaded without a proper license. Moreover, I am a bit confused about which license to apply to derivative works? As for example, if I modify a CC image, which license to apply?--উদ্দীপতালুকদাৰ (talk) 10:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

You should use the same copyright template for File:Wikisource-logo-as-3.svg as for File:Wikisource-logo.svg, i.e. {{CopyrightByWikimedia}}. Unfortunately, the Wikimedia Foundation does not live as they teach, so unlike all other content on Commons, logos copyrighted by the Foundation are not in the public domain or published under a free license. Trademark rights would be sufficient to protect the logos from improper use, but the Foundation has chosen to reserve all copyright as well.
If you modify an image published under a Creative Commons license, the license for the resulting image depends on whether or not your changes are eligible for copyright protection and whether or not the original image's Creative Commons license has a Share-Alike condition. My advice would be to preserve the original license if you're unsure. LX (talk, contribs) 17:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Added the licences as advised by you. Thanks for your advice.উদ্দীপতালুকদাৰ (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Econosto Nederland kantoor Capelle ad IJssel.jpg

Dear Sir, madam, could you help me to place the pictures of Econosto? Copyright is our own company Errol--Errol Israel (talk) 11:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please send a permission. See COM:OTRS for details. Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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How do I add copyright info?

about this picture --Emile Myburgh (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

This is just a needless duplicate of File:MRO sees Curiosity landing.jpg (scaled down and with a big black border). Please have a look at that image for what the file description should have looked like. It provides a verifiable source (a page showing the image in context and not just a direct link) and uses a copyright template that describes the image's copyright situation. It's also categorized properly. LX (talk, contribs) 17:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Rebbe Branover.jpg

Hello there:

I want to add this license to the file

Public domain
This file is in the public domain, because because Prof. Branover handed me this picture---through his personal secretary, Ilana Attia, whom he had asked to act in his name in all matters related to his publicity and public presentation.

In case this is not legally possible:

The right to use this work is granted to anyone for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

Please verify that the reason given above complies with Commons' licensing policy.

Can anyone tell me how to add a license to an already-uploaded picture?

Thanks much

--Magazine1212 (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  • That won't do as a license. You should read COM:OTRS for how to provide permission from a third party. Among other things, handing you a picture does not indicate intent to release it into the public domain. Also, if the picture is of Rebbe Branover, it is very unlikely that he holds the copyright, since normally the photographer would hold the copyright, not the subject of the photo. - Jmabel ! talk 00:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
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Museum image

Can this be uploaded? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You've been on Commons for more than two years, and you're asking if you can upload a photo that's clearly marked "All rights reserved"? Of course not – that's completely non-free. LX (talk, contribs) 06:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:VPE 45.jpg


I added licensing tags on File: VPE the problem solved? What additional information is needed? Thank you.

--Vpreditorialassistant (talk) 03:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • You haven't added licensing tags. You just added You didn't fill it out as a template, e.g. {{PD-because|reason goes here}}. The page still, irrelevantly, says "fair use regardless", which has no relevance to hosting on Commons, which doesn't allow images on a fair use basis.
  • For this image to be OK -- which it may be -- you'd have to show that the photo on the cover is either public domain or available under a free license, and that the rest of it either does not rise to the level of being copyrightable or that it has been released under a free license. - Jmabel ! talk 15:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Looks like this is now being handled through OTRS. LX (talk, contribs) 16:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Problem using the upload wizard

I've just experienced problems with the upload wizard, trying several times to upload a couple of different photos - each time being informed that "None of the uploads were successful." because of "Unknown error: "unknown-warning"." Since then I have managed to upload one of these photos using the "old form". Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The most common cause for this is that the file name on your computer is something meaningless like DSCF0001. The error message is utterly unhelpful, and it should not even be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. The only workaround until this recently introduced defect in the Upload Wizard is fixed is to change the name on your computer before you upload. LX (talk, contribs) 08:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - it hadn't been a problem before with the 50 or so other photos I've uploaded recently, so I wouldn't have guessed that as the cause. Since I have over 13,000 digital photos (and maybe around 5,000 analogue photos that I keep track of using an alphanumeric system for their negs), maybe I'll have to resort to using pen-and-paper when I'm uploading in future, just so that my ageing brain can cope! Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 14:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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I tried asking this at Commons talk:Software, but got no response, so I'm trying here. Has anyone else had trouble with recent versions of Hugin? I recently upgraded to the current 64-bit Hugin for Windows & it keeps crashing on me. Is there some relatively recent version someone can recommend as better? - Jmabel ! talk 00:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I've ducked clear back to version 0.7.0 (SVN 3465) which seems to be working for me, but surely there has been a more recent good release. That one dates back over two years. - Jmabel ! talk 00:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Gerald Sippel.jpg

Ich habe dieses Bild mit ausdrücklicher Genehmigung des Künstlers hier fpr diesen Zweck hochgeladen. Er hat mir die Vorlage gegeben. Seine Frau Gerti Sippel hat das Foto erstellt. Das Bild ist auch auf der Internetseite des Künstlers: www.gerald-sippel veröffentlicht in gleicher Auflösung. Was soll ich noch machen? Vielen Dank und herzliche Grüße

--Kunstmichi (talk) 05:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

PD-1923 from Norway

I would like to upload an image or two from this book: [7]. Published in Norway in 1922. I believe that should qualify as PD, but the image upload helper only has an option for first publication in the US before 1923. Am I in the clear, and if so, do I need to upload without using the helper in order to correctly indicate the PD status? --Amble (talk) 07:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I believe that in Norway what would matter is years since the death date of the author. Do you know when Sigurd Risting died? - Jmabel ! talk 02:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Jmabel. Do I understand that the 1923 rule does not consistently apply to works first published outside the US? I've had a hard time getting a clear picture from the commons policy pages. Specific details for this work: Sigurd Risting died in 1935. The book doesn't appear to include individual credits for the photos and maps, but I wouldn't count on Risting having created them all personally. Therefore, I think it's either the 1923 rule or nothing. --Amble (talk) 05:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
It's required that a work be in the public domain in the US and in its source country, so pre-1923 is always a good thing. But the source country in this case is not the US which usually means it's a certain number of years from the death of the author; for Norway it's 70 years. I don't know about Norway specifically, but if an author is anonymous, which they look to be in this case, most of the life+70 nations have a flat 70 year term.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks. The page Commons:Licensing#Norway confirms the flat 70 year term for unknown and anonymous authors. I believe the photos and maps from this book should be usable, then. --Amble (talk) 09:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Gerald Sippel.jpg

Ich habe den Acount "Gerald Sippel" erstellt. Dabei habe ich ein Foto eines Gemäldes des Künstlers hochgeladen, dass e´dieser mir ausdrücklich für diesen Zweck zur Verfügung gestellt hat. Es hat seine Frau Gerti Sippel gemacht. Das Gemälde ist noch im Besitz des Künstlers und von ihm gemalt und Signiert worden. Es kann unter Nennung des Künstlers weiterverwendet werden. Dies habe ich angegeben, aber es gibt den Hinweis das dies nicht ausreicht. Was muss ich nun machen, damit das Bild nicht gelöscht wird? Vielen Dank

--Kunstmichi (talk) 07:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Batch upload

I wish to upload a batch of around 60 photos I took at Wikimania 2012. They all have identical licences. The upload Wizard takes too long uploading 1 by 1, (3 - 5 minutes) on my slow connection, and I can't get Commonist to work (MacOSX 10.6.8). Are there any other solutions? Thanks. Kudpung (talk) 03:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Bump Kudpung (talk) 22:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
There is no Java for MacOSX 10.6? Yarl 22:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I do not understand. Please provide a less technical explanation and if there is a way to do it, how I can upload my 60 photos of Wikimedia 2012 without doing it 1-by-1 which would take 5 - 7 minutes each (total of 7 hours). Thanks. Kudpung (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
To run Commonist you need to install Java Runtime Environment (find it here). I don't have OSX, so It's hard to tell what to do, but here are some instructions at Commonist page. Yarl 10:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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deleting a file


I uploaded a file and then I changed it to fit my need. Now I noticed that I should change it again and each time I uploaded a different file of the same picture with the changes. How can I delete the other files so that when a person presses the picture on wikipedia doesn't see all the changes I've made? thanks. Meitalklachuk (talk) 15:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)meitalklachukMeitalklachuk (talk) 15:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm confused. Why would you want to suppress the history of he file? - Jmabel ! talk 15:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to supress it, but it seems to me that it doesn't look good when you can see all three versions of the photo. Meitalklachuk (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)meitalklachukMeitalklachuk (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • For something like this where you have successively cleaned up the photo, it should be left exactly as it is. This lets someone in the future, when there may be better technology, start with the original. I often deliberately upload a photo as it came out of my camera and then immediately upload over it with a cleaned up version. - Jmabel ! talk 22:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your response. I wanted to see if the way I did it was ok, and you've done the same - so thanks:) Meitalklachuk (talk) 13:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)meitalklachukMeitalklachuk (talk) 13:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Wikimedia Commons,

May I ask help from you? I was trying to delete a file which I uploaded into the Commons just recently. I uploaded the said image with file name Diocese_of_Imus_logo.jpg to replace a version of the logo which I myself uploaded onto Wikipedia on the wiki page of the Diocese of Imus. My intention was supposedly to upload a newer version of the logo (one that has a higher resolution), and it seemed like I did the wrong procedure.

Thanks a lot for your assistance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Meitalklachuk (talk • contribs) 2012-08-16T18:07:40 (UTC)
This image appears to be a fair use image. Such images are not allowed on Commons, but may sometimes be uploaded locally to English Wikipedia at en:Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. However, note that you are not supposed to replace low resolution fair use images with high resolution images on English Wikipedia. There is a policy which says that fair use images on English Wikipedia shall have a low resolution. See en:WP:NFCC#3b for details. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
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Help regarding File:London Olympics 2012 - Friday August 3rd in the Olympic Stadium 4959SPcrop.jpg

Again I am frustrated by user hostile language presented by a bot (Nikbot this time). So let me explain in english, the origin of this file. It comes from an already existing file I DID NOT CREATE File:London Olympics 2012 - Friday August 3rd in the Olympic Stadium 4959S.jpg. That was a wide shot of the Olympic Stadium. I cropped that picture to show the shot put area, to include with the wikipedia article about the Olympic Shot Put. The licensing of that original jpg is someone else's responsibility. The cropping is my original work, as it were. I do not know the ins and outs of your licensing of these situations, though I see them all the time. I can't claim any ownership of this. You are welcome to contact me in English to explain step by step how to handle this situation. Trackinfo (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

File:London Olympics 2012 - Friday August 3rd in the Olympic Stadium 4959.jpg is published under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license. That means that you can use it (or parts of it, as in this case) freely, but only if you follow the terms and conditions of that license. Apart from attributing the author (which you've done), the most important condition of the license is that "You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier for, this License with every copy ... of the Work You distribute", which you did not do. Using the photo without following the license is illegal and constitutes copyright infringement. I've fixed that problem and tidied up the file description a bit. I recommend using the DerivativeFX tool to avoid similar problems when uploading modified versions of Commons files. LX (talk, contribs) 09:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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Candidates for copying from Wikipedia

At times, a bot will affix w:Template:Copy to Wikimedia Commons to freely-licensed Wikipedia images. Now, the particular image I am seeing this at, w:File:What links here - not a standard special page.png, was released to the public domain by me. It's technically suitable for transfer, but its worthiness as an image is negligible beyond the technical question it was created to address. What is the general attitude at Commons towards this situation? Do you want this type of image, or would it be appropriate for me to mark it as unable to be moved to Commons, even though that's not technically the case? BigNate37(T) 20:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any harm in transferring it here. Ideally, the individual Wikimedia projects should not host any free media. Appropriate categories on Commons would be English Wikipedia screenshots, MediaWiki Screenshots in en and Wikipedia screenshots not containing works copyrighted by Wikimedia. LX (talk, contribs) 10:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Carlos Encinas González en Taxco, M, foto por R. Sancho Granados 002.jpg

This photo belongs to us, the Encinas family. Is not a commercial photography. The author died many years ago and gave this photo to my father as a gift. --Cencinas (talk) 01:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sadly, physical possession of a photo does not mean owning the intellectual property rights. We'd need a release from the author's heirs (via COM:OTRS). And we'd need the grant of either public domain or some specific free license. The lack of this last is what drew attention to this photo. - Jmabel ! talk 04:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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Claudia Porculo

Pontius Pilate received a warning from his wife Claudia Poculo in regard to his arrest. This possibly is the one referred to at Matt 27:18. In 1929 Katherine VanDyke of Detroit MIchigan translated it from Italian since it has been held in the Vatican for years. I would love to read the part about Pilate nly to receive it you must go to Issanus Press and pay for it! Pleas e help me. Pilate and Claudia are canonized according to them.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 16:04, 19 August 2012‎ (UTC)
  • What on earth does this have to do with Wikimedia Commons? - Jmabel ! talk 17:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
maybe here? Wikisource. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)Edited by Jmabel to what I'm pretty sure MathewTownsend intended. - Jmabel ! talk 07:08, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I was trying to link to the Wikisource site, thinking maybe there was information there regarding Pilate and Claudia. But I don't know how to link to Wikisource from here. MathewTownsend (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Like this s:Main Page. Yann (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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How to change an image?

I want to edit out the watermark "" from [this photo]. Do i have to create a new file or can i edit the existing one? How? Tiana1987 (talk) 06:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Note to other readers: the image in question is quite graphic.
In this case, it should be possible to crop out the bottom of the image without losing any essential parts of the image. Since this is would only be a minor crop, overwriting the file is fine. To perform cropping without applying additional lossy JPEG compression, I suggest using cropbot. LX (talk, contribs) 12:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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Poppaea or Claudia Octavia

The File:Poppaea Sabina.jpg would suggest this bust is from Poppaea Sabina, but from 10 wiki references to this image, 6 call her Claudia Octavia. Who are right, and if the majority, it should be renamed. I ask for discuss it at the File talk. ZackTheJack (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a bust from the National Museum of Rome at Palazzo Massimo; the bust's caption state it's a portrait of Poppaea Sabina. Recent research suggests it's actually Claudia Octavia, Nero's first wife. By the way, is it just me or does this picture look like a scan from a book? Jastrow (Λέγετε) 15:11, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
All those images uploaded by this user are most certainly copyvios. Britanicus01.jpg, for instance, has been around in the net since at least 2000. I'll have a look on the others, but they are most certainly grabbed from the net or scanned from books and uploaded by this user as "own work". None of them should remain here.--- Darwin Ahoy! 15:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Done, nuked all 2008 uploads by this user, since many of them were proved copyvios and the rest were all ducks. It's telling how he was so keen to release others work as "Public Domain", but the last two uploads, who seem legit, are licensed under the most conservative license which requires attribution, and he even watermarked them with his name. By the way, his expertise area IRL seems to be Law.. *sigh* --- Darwin Ahoy! 16:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, bugger me... So, while you are at it, delete this redirect. I guess the bots can do the clean up in the interwikis... ZackTheJack (talk) 16:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
✓  Done by MPF.--- Darwin Ahoy! 17:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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Wrong name for category

The name of this category is wrongly disclosed. Can anyone please rename it to “Aircraft in Medan”? Thanks.--Jetstreamer (talk) 20:58, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

All files moved.
Can all be deleted. Delphi234 (talk) 23:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
  • All empty. I'll delete them. - Jmabel ! talk 23:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Illés Relief.png


I uploaded an image of the model of Illés Relief which was included in an Al Jazeera article,, citing the Tower of David museum as the source. The model is not owned by the museum so I am not sure on copyright etc.

Can you advise?

--JonathanWoodrow (talk) 11:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Why would you upload an image if you don't know whether or not doing so constitutes copyright infringement? I can't see any reason whatsoever to assume that the copyright holder of the model and the copyright holder of the photograph have both agreed to publish the photo under a free license. Looks like just another non-free Internet image. LX (talk, contribs) 13:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Jonathan - it looks like the Al Jazeera picture won't fly (I'm guessing it's copyrighted by AJ), but there are a few other options which may work. There is a Category of images of the model at Category:19th-century model of Jerusalem. (We should actually rename that category to be more specific). I also just added File:Illés Relief.jpg which is a picture I took last December. None of these are obviously as good as the AJ picture (I for one put the "amateur" in "amateur Photographer" but they're better than nothing). --Bachrach44 (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm... wouldn't those be derivative works of the (presumably) copyrighted model? Is the model situated in a "public place" in the sense intended by Commons:Freedom of panorama#Israel? LX (talk, contribs) 16:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Gerald Ford Presidential Museum

hi -

I'm new!! and making tons of mistakes - I appreciate all the help ... so new that I'm not even sure where to find any responses to my questions.

here's my first question:

I need to change Category:Collections of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum to Category:Collections of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library/Museum as I begin to categorize the photographs in our facility. Can someone do a batch change for me, or will I need to update all the already uploaded images one by one?

my second question is about licensing - the one I'm using (the Federal one) does not accurately reflect that we own the materials but that we DID NOT create the materials .. any movement on refining the federal licensing language? Bdcousineau (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Many separate points here, and I won't be addressing them all:
  • Physical ownership of the materials is irrelevant to intellectual property rights, and need not be recorded here (though museum accession numbers are always welcome). If they are "work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person’s official duties" that's all we really need, though it might be good to make up a separate template comparable to, for example, {{PD-USGov-NASA}}
  • As long as you created the photos and the underlying object is not copyrightable (or is also federal gov't work), that's all we need. For example, a gun is not copyrightable; a photograph of a gun is.
  • There are quite a few ways to perform a batch task. Do you not have the "Perform batch task" link on your UI?
I hope that helps, though I'm sure it doesn't fully answer. - Jmabel ! talk 22:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

thanks for your input - I've been including the accession numbers on the artifacts. I've been reading about the "batch tasks" too. Bdcousineau (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

What does this error message mean?

Here is an error message I keep getting whenever I try to upload a new version of a map:

"Upload warning

The file "mwstore://local-multiwrite/local-public/e/ee/CartogramPresidentialCounty1896.gif" is in an inconsistent state within the internal storage backends"

I uploaded it in the same manner as my other uploads. I've even tried renaming the file before uploading it. Is there any way to get around this? Thanks.--Tilden76 (talk) 23:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It's known bug with storage, please post link to file, maybe some one from the developers could help you --Justass (talk) 23:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Try asking at w:WP:VPT where there are already a few conversations on it, but none that is a specific upload from Commons. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm getting this for File:09L_2012_5day.gif when I try to upload a replacement.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

WebCite failing - is commons' apache misconfigured? shows that when WebCite tries to archive,_Your_license_tag_is_illegal._Copyright_note-I_just_sent_to_NASA_photographer_Flickr_account--Screen_shot.png , it fails. It says: Duplicate headers received from server The response from the server contained duplicate headers. This problem is generally the result of a misconfigured website or proxy. Only the website or proxy administrator can fix this issue. Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple distinct Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. But I can't tell if the server is misbehaving. It doesn't seem to be sending that.

$ wget -S,_Your_license_tag_is_illegal._Copyright_note-I_just_sent_to_NASA_photographer_Flickr_account--Screen_shot.png --11:36:27--,_Your_license_tag_is_illegal._Copyright_note-I_just_sent_to_NASA_photographer_Flickr_account--Screen_shot.png

          => `File:Bill_Ingalls,_Your_license_tag_is_illegal._Copyright_note-I_just_sent_to_NASA_photographer_Flickr_account--Screen_shot.png.2'

Resolving, 2620:0:861:ed1a:: Connecting to||:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response...

 HTTP/1.0 200 OK
 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:30:35 GMT
 Server: Apache
 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
 Cache-Control: private, s-maxage=0, max-age=0, must-revalidate
 Content-Language: en
 Vary: Accept-Encoding,Cookie
 Last-Modified: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:47 GMT
 Content-Length: 45616
 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
 Age: 353
 X-Cache: HIT from cp1019.eqiad.wmnet
 X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from cp1019.eqiad.wmnet:3128
 X-Cache: MISS from cp1002.eqiad.wmnet
 X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from cp1002.eqiad.wmnet:80
 Connection: keep-alive

Length: 45,616 (45K) [text/html]

But perhaps it's a page-requisite. I can't get wget --page-requisites to work.

Can someone look into this or direct the issue to the right folks? Hello? Anyone? --Elvey (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Convoluted upload history

I've been reviewing Category:Media requiring a split up and I've encountered a particularly sticky problem.

File:Arellano U Plaridel Hall.jpg is the file in question. It was originally uploaded to en.wikipedia by en:User:DragosteaDinTei on 31 December 2010. It was transferred to Commons by User:MGA73bot2 on 12 January 2011. On 4 March 2011, User:DragosteaDinTei (presumably the original author) uploaded a different file, overwriting the existing one. At the time of overwriting, no copyright information (such as creation date) was provided, just a very bare-bones description. The file is currently in use on en:Arellano University, where its caption refers to the new version, and definitely not the old one.

My conundrum is this. If I split the files, as requested by User:Magog the Ogre six months ago, I have no copyright information to place on the description page of the new file. If I instead revert to the old file, the image is no longer accurately captioned on en.wikipedia.

(N.B.: I realize the file is under review for deletion, but I would still like to know how to handle similar situations in the future.)

-- Powers (talk) 01:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I have been looking a bit at the corresponding English Wikipedia file split category in the past, proposing some images for deletion and moving other images to Commons.
Sometimes, someone has overwritten a file uploaded by someone else without altering the file information page. If the file information page hasn't been edited, I have assumed that the user hasn't provided any source, and I'm not sure if the user ever has visited a page where the user approves the licence. Thus, when this has happened, I have proposed files for deletion as potentially unfree.
In this case, the file has been overwritten by the same person as the one who uploaded the initial file. Maybe it would be safe to assume that both files are meant to have the same file information page? Also: User:DragosteaDinTei edited the file information page 2½ minute before uploading the new image, and the edited version of the file information page could maybe be seen as a file information page for the new file. That said, it is possible that both files are copyright violations, so it is probably better to wait for the outcome from the deletion request first. --Stefan4 (talk) 08:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian pictures

Would Smithsonian pictures be considered a U.S. government source, therefore the images are copyright free? Example is a picture I would like to use, but don't know IF there is a copyright on it: on=2&cmd=1&id=75517&img=1&pg=1 It is the first picture on top of the "portmanteau" mailbag. If it is alright to use, can someone download it and make it available to use in an article? I am not sure how to handle this. The article I would like to use it in is this: This article is currently a 7-in-1 DYK nomination.,_Mail_sack,_Mail_satchel,_Mail_pouch,_Catcher_pouch,_Pony_Express_mochila,_Portmanteau_(mail) Will the picture screw up the nomination? IF it does, then of course I would NOT want to use it. Otherwise I would like to use the picture in the "Portmanteau (mail)" article. Can someone help me on this. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, Smithsonian images are problematic. Some images hosted on the Smithsonian website have been taken by Smithsonian employees and are in the public domain as United States government works. Some other images hosted on the Smithsonian website are, if I remember correctly from the previous discussions, photos contributed to the Smithsonian Institute by other people, and those images are usually copyrighted and can't be used. Unfortunately, the Smithsonian Institute website rarely tells where the images come from, so it is usually not possible to tell if the images are in the public domain or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Image search help, UK images

I'm trying to find out if any of the images of HMS Pandora (the submarine) in this google search are works of the UK government. If so, they should be allowable under {{PD-UK gov}}. I'm also curious, do they need a US license as well? Normally, the PD tags that need US as well say so. This says nothing. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Gyrodactylus salaris.png

I am not sure with the license. Can somebody help me with my first file? I don't want to make a mistake there.

Leaflet about Gyrodactylus salaris

Thanks a lot --Krantnejie (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

  • It's not wrong wrong wrong, but it should use the more specific {{OGL}}. - Jmabel ! talk 15:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I changed it to the more specific license. --Krantnejie (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
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Donating my father's pictures

My name is Robert Schediwy.I have an account here, and yesterday I opened an account in the name of my deceased father Johann Schediwy. I am his only son and heir and thus I have the right to donate his pictures froom the 1930s. However, your uploading forms do not allow for such an alternative. It is either assumed that I did the picture myself (own ork) or that some stranger took it. What should I do, I do not fit into your categories? Robert Schediwy, concerning the account of --Johann Schediwy (talk) 06:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

First of all, I'd stick to using a single account. There should really be no need to use a second account for this, and using an account with a real-world name that is not your own is not really something I would recommend.
As for the upload process, instead of the Upload Wizard, I'd recommend using the more flexible Special:Upload for this purpose.
  • In the original source field, state that it is your late father's work and that you are the sole heir. This assumes that he was the actual the photographer. For photos that he did not create himself (such as File:Johann Schediwy soldier.jpg and File:Their first apartment1.jpg, presumably), you are probably not the copyright holder.
  • In the author field, enter your father's name
  • In the date field, enter the date the photo was originally created (or the closest approximation you can provide to the best of your knowledge)
  • In the permissions field, enter {{CC-BY-SA-3.0-heirs}}, {{PD-heirs}} or {{GFDL-heirs}}, depending on the permission you would like to grant. If you would like to use a different license, reply here and we can probably help you with that. LX (talk, contribs) 09:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the swift reply. It did not make me happy though. I see it as a tribute to my father to have created this aaccount and I'd rather stand by that decision. There won't be too many pictures to follow. I have also created an account in my father-in-law's name, Karl Oppolzer. He's still around but aged 88 and has completely entrusted me wihz the digitalization of his work. He has done a lot of interesting travelling. I'll try to muddle through, following , if necessary your recommendations regarding permissions. As to the specific pictures you mention: a lot of photos were then taken by remote control (wire) or automatic release. I would assume this to be the case with the pictures concerned. Robert Schediwy
P.S. : I still think that there should be a seprate entry for heirs in the upload wizard.--Johann Schediwy (talk) 19:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
My view is that your having a separate account for your father's pictures should not cause any problems or criticism, so long as the pages for the two accounts each mention the existence of the other account and the relationship between them. And likewise for your father-in-law. Maproom (talk) 21:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Phil Stubbins.jpg

This is a photo taken from my own camera. --Phil stubbins (talk) 04:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

  • You haven't selected any license. What is your intention here? To place it in the public domain? To offer some particular "free" license (e.g. some adequately free Creative Commons license)? See Commons:Licensing#Well-known licenses if you don't know what I'm talking about. - Jmabel ! talk 08:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Accepted file types

Commons:File types gives a list of file formats (JPEG SVG TIFF etc) that are accepted, but not a list of the actual file suffixes accepted (.jpg .svg .tiff etc). Can someone please add a complete list of file suffixes accepted, for those of us who don't know how the former translates into the latter? Thanks! - MPF (talk) 11:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The only one that sometimes causes problems, as far as I'm aware, is ".jpe"... AnonMoos (talk) 18:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, but that doesn't really help ;-) What I'm looking for is a complete list of the filetypes that are in use or may be used in Commons – I'll start a list in the currently empty Summary section, but it'll be very incomplete, if others could help complete it please - MPF (talk) 11:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's currently accepted when uploading, but here's a list of the file extensions (defined as the string following the last "." character in the page title) that existed in the File namespace (including redirects and other non-file pages in the File namespace) in a recent database dump:
Extension Uses
jpg 9139827
JPG 2216652
png 907654
svg 606825
ogg 164079
gif 127518
jpeg 105010
PNG 88218
tif 82917
pdf 24210
djvu 23043
ogv 11074
JPEG 5804
GIF 4504
mid 2174
tiff 1248
oga 949
TIF 875
OGG 801
SVG 432
Jpg 388
xcf 317
MID 296
kml 126
PDF 80
Jpeg 53
js 27
jPG 25
JPg 21
Png 14
Gif 14
OGV 13
Ogg 10
jpG[8][9][10][11][12] 5
 jpg[13][14][15][16] 4
JPeG[17][18][19][20] 4
Svg[21][22][23] 3
jpg?zz=1[24][25][26] 3
jpg (2nd attempt)[27][28] 2
JpG[29][30] 2
file:sant martí de sadevesa[31][32] 2
file:ellora, the temple 2,jpg[33][34] 2
test[35] 1
svg/serie[36] 1
svg/Legend[37] 1
SVg[38] 1
 Russo at Make Oakland Better Now 2011-02-20[39] 1
 pooljpg[40] 1
pNg[41] 1
pnG[42] 1
pg[43] 1
Pdf[44] 1
 Konrad (Oberösterreich)[45] 1
jPg[46] 1
jPeG[47] 1
jpEg[48] 1
jpeG[49] 1
gIF[50] 1
bmp[51] 1
LX (talk, contribs) 20:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! That's what I was looking for. Maybe all those one-off redirects at the end of the list could be deleted? They don't have any purpose with nothing linking to them. - MPF (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. I've tagged them for deletion, so they're now sitting in Category:Other speedy deletions. (I didn't tag File:Shared repo redirect.test, because it's used in testwiki:Image redirects). Again, I want to stress that many of the extensions listed above are probably not accepted for new uploads. In particular, I believe the variations in case are automatically rewritten for uniformity these days. LX (talk, contribs) 17:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
When you combine alternate capitalization and spelling (jpeg with jpg), we find that 85% of all files are jpeg's, of those 80% use a file extension of .jpg, and 19% use a file extension of .JPG.
Type Uses
jpeg 11467807
png 995888
svg 607263
ogg 164890
gif 132037
tiff 85049
pdf 24291
djvu 23043
ogv 11087
mid 2470
oga 949
xcf 317
kml 126
js 27
pg 1
bmp 1
unspecified 5
Total 13,515,251
The bmp is not a user uploaded file. Delphi234 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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File deleted for lack of license

My Commons file File:Lee Valley White Water Centre (1st gate set, 2012 Olympics).svg was deleted for lack of a license. When I learned of this, I accidentally re-uploaded it to English Wikipedia instead of Commons. I would like to use the same name, so I would like to delete the English Wikipedia file before uploading the identical file, with the identical name, to Commons. How do I delete a Wikipedia file? HowardMorland (talk) 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Add an undeletion request at Commons:Undeletion requests and mention the license that you would like to use ({{cc-by-3.0}}, presumably). Once the file is undeleted, edit the file description on English Wikipedia and add {{subst:ncd}} to it. LX (talk, contribs) 08:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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Why was my page deleted?

I inputted several changes to the Edwards Wildman Palmer page which were all public knowledge and fair use. They have been deleted and I don't udnerstand why. How can these changes be restored? It's unclear which edits are acceptable and which aren't. Please help clearly explain what changes may be added to a page so that this page can be more robust. Thank you very much for your assistance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmerton (talk • contribs) 2012-08-22T14:50:51‎ (UTC)
This seems to be about an issue at English Wikipedia. Try asking at en:WP:HD instead. --Stefan4 (talk) 14:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Text added was promotional in style looking like something you would see on the company's own web site. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright and old paintings

Moved from COM:AN/U#Copyright and old paintings

This picture/painting has remark in the exif-fil/creator information: a claim on copyright: "© Photo RMN - Gérard Blot/Hervé Lewandowski." The painting is from 1884 the artist P.S. Krøyer died in 1909. Is this valid copyright? Can the picture/painting be uploaded to Commons? --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

If you take a photo of an old painting, then the photo is copyrighted in some countries, such as the Nordic countries and the United Kingdom. Such photos are accepted on Commons because they are free in the United States, but for your own security, I would recommend that you make sure that you are not located in a Nordic country, in the United Kingdom or in any other country in which such photos get copyright, since the photographer could sue you personally. If you are in one of those countries, consider travelling to another country each time you need to upload a photo of a painting, and keep your tickets as evidence that you were out of the country. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
According to current Commons policies the copyright on the photo has no value there, only the painting counts, therefore you may upload it here under {{PD-art-100}}. You must crop the frame remains from there, though, since they are 3D. You should respect the photo author copyright as well, naming it on the source, but we don't consider his copyright claims valid at the moment.--- Darwin Ahoy! 15:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay -two different answers - I have already cropped it - and I am ready to upload it, but will wait for clear answer. --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Both answers are correct. Wikimedia Commons' policy is not to delete photographic reproductions of two-dimensional public domain artworks, even if the distribution of those reproductions violates the photographer's copyrights or neighboring rights in some jurisdictions. You are, however, personally liable for everything that you upload, and the fact that a decision has been made on Commons to ignore certain aspects of laws in some jurisdictions of course does not affect the real-world implications of those laws.
That said, I'm not sure that Stefan's suggestion to travel abroad before uploading is sufficient to escape a problematic jurisdiction. At least in the context of criminal law, it's not unheard of for citizens to be held accountable under their native laws even for crimes committed abroad; see en:Criminal jurisdiction#International crime. While infringement of copyright and neighboring rights is typically a matter of civil law, it's also possible that the distribution is seen as an ongoing infringement unless the uploader takes steps to get the file taken down once they're back home. LX (talk, contribs) 16:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
If you're worried about uploading the files, I'm sure if you list it on the Village Pump, someone will upload them for you.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright symbol on a CC-licenced image

I'm curious as to the position of File:Permanent_Calendar_gregorian.png - the image was released under a CC-Attribution licence by its uploader, but the image clearly says "(C) Karl Nimtsch" on it. Is this a problem? Or is it just a trivial contradiction that can be resolved by whiting out the copyright message? --McGeddon (talk) 18:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

A CC license doesn't mean that copyright doesn't exist -- quite the contrary. However, the text could be considered a "watermark" under Commons policies... AnonMoos (talk) 18:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:20091109 TP ryhma.jpg

I really don't underestand this lisencing thing. This picture is our band's property also published in our home page. Where should I write something???

--Paatoimisto (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

  • See COM:OTRS. And, normally, the photographer is the copyright holder, so that's whose permission we need. - Jmabel ! talk 15:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:JordynWiebergoldmedal.jpg

I know the copyright holder for a picture uploaded by Blahblah424 and I emailed him the OTRS form. By the time he replied the image had been deleted. I re uploaded the image at the same url as before but the image is listed as not being compliant with the licenses. Just in case it would help I forwarded the email to Commons again after I uploaded it with a brief note explaining what happened. Would it help if I had the copyright holder send a new email? --Zzomtceo (talk) 15:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

If you actually know that the copyright owner has already sent a reply that is in conformity with the licensing requirements and the OTRS procedure, it is better to not complicate the process with another mail. Just wait for their existing mail to be processed and leave the tag "OTRS pending" on the page until then. However, the description page currently does not mention the source of the image. Please mention your actual source on the description page. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Rashid bin Mohammed Al Maktoum from

I am updating the wikipedia page for Rashid Bin Mohanned Al Maktoum. He sent me a photo that he would like to use. I am having a problem uploading the file. I do not have a license for the image. Thank you

--Kmzuno (talk) 03:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't have a licence, you can't upload the file. Try to obtain a licence and then ask him to follow the instructions at COM:OTRS. --Stefan4 (talk) 08:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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Description of a certain file

Hello. I recently added a file called "File:Panorama view of the harbour from Busan Tower 2.jpg" but have gotten a message from Nikbot saying that there's a problem with the description/licensing of the file. It is a photograph from Flickr by Lubo Zviera Ryba, and it has the license of CC BY 2.0. Below is the message that Kikbot sent me:

"There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful information about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

This message was added automatically by Nikbot, if you need some help about it please read the text above again and follow the links in it, if you still need help ask at the → Commons:Help desk in any language you like to use. --Nikbot 15:49, 24 August 2012 (UTC)"

What should I do? Do I need a permission from the original author, even though it is CC BY? How should I rewrite the despription?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steel and Concrete (talk • contribs)
When you use the Flickr upload bot, there is a line which says "You must then click this link to complete the upload." You should click on "click this link" to upload the file. Do not upload it yourself. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Stefan4, for your help. I suppose that from now on, when I'm uploading files from Flickr, I should follow the process that you explained above? Also, is there anything else that needs to be done on "File:Panorama view of the harbour from Busan Tower 2.jpg" for it to be a legitimate file of the Commons? Do I need to make a "Permission" part in the "Summary" of that file? Please pardon me about asking all these questions; I've never uploaded files to the Commons before and it's rather confusing for me.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steel and Concrete (talk • contribs)
I have fixed File:Panorama view of the harbour from Busan Tower 2.jpg, so there is nothing that needs to be done there.
For future uploads, go to tools:~bryan/flickr/upload and fill in the details. Later in the process, you will get to a page which looks like this. There is a notice on the page which says "You must then click this link to complete the upload." Click on the words "click this link". A bot will now upload the file. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I followed the process you told me, and it worked! ( Thank you!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steel and Concrete (talk • contribs) 19:27, 24 August 2012‎ (UTC)
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Screenshot of Office Web apps

I took a screenshot of the office 2013 web apps. Should I publish this here?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Brycecordry (talk • contribs) 2012-08-24T21:32:08 (UTC)
If you are talking about some Microsoft programs: no. Microsoft programs are unfree, so screenshots of those programs can't be uploaded here. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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About certain Flickr photographs...

It seems that there are many photographs on Flickr that are licensed as cc by-sa 2.0 but also have something about Getty Images right below the license type, as seen on pages like "" and "" - is it okay to upload these photographs without any extra process? Or do I need to go through the "Getty Images" process?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steel and Concrete (talk • contribs) 20:52, 24 August 2012‎ (UTC)
  • Should be no problem. The fact that he also offers an additional licensing option doesn't invalidate the cc-by. - Jmabel ! talk 08:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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Image copyright problem

THere is an image File:Maynard fill Caduceus.jpg that the copyright was question at en:WP:EAR#Photo Credit. THe editor claims to be Pamela Ravenwood who has a blog and published that photo in her blog on MARCH 07, 2006. The photo in question was uploaded claiming it was taken January 20, 2008. I have done very little at commons so I am not sure where to go from here. GB fan (talk) 21:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Marked as {{copyvio}}. I hope that someone deletes it soon. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks GB fan (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
And I also added {{copyvio}} to another file from the same Flickr account. Since there was also a third file from that account, I proposed that image for deletion because I'm not sure that we can trust the Flickr user. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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Image originally taken from internet

The image I have uploaded was originally taken from the internet. What license do we have to give for it to be accepted with Wikipedia Commons Image License Policy?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassamnation1 (talk • contribs)

20:08, 27 August 2012‎

Probably none. In general such images are copyrighted and can only be uploaded to individual wiki's (in low resolution) such as Wikipedia using a fair use license and then only used in the article about the subject. Delphi234 (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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.xcf thumbnails text overenlargement

offending thumbnail example

For the first time I see that commons is trying to render a thumbnail for a .xcf file. However it comes out as seriously distorted. Presumably this is an imagemagic conversion, but what is going wrong to make the text come out so enlarged relative to the rest of the image? The .jpg I exported myself is at File:Burrawang Map.jpg and does not show this text enlargement distortion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Well I suppose I have an answer with this: "XCF rendering is currently under development and thumbnails could contain errors." from ‎McZusatz. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

"Unboxing and review" videos

Is Commons an appropriate place to upload "unboxing and review" type videos of gadgets? (Examples can be found on YouTube) 12:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC) P.S. "Unboxing and review" is when you record a video of yourself unboxing a gadget, turn it on and try it a while, and then express your opinions on the device. 12:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Probably not, especially the part about your opinions unless you are in some way a qualified expert. - Jmabel ! talk 15:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
    • In theory, we could use such a video in an encyclopedia article about unboxing, such as this one. But we would have to be careful in ensuring that the uploaded video is indeed an archetypal example. Powers (talk) 00:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
      • That particular article, though, has been tagged since last month as not necessarily notable. The subject though was only unboxing and not product review. I do recall that a feature of the Apple Macintosh was the inclusion of instructions on how to open the box on the outside of the box, a historic feature, but not worthy of a separate article. Now if they want to upload a video of how to open a cd jewel case, that would be useful - those things defy many people (even after the plastic wrapping is long gone). The people who are experts are entertainers, and the trick is to run a fingernail along the crack on the top between the moving cover and the fixed portion. Many a dvd case has had the little latches broken off because of not being aware that they are supposed to be opened first (if present). No where is it explained that all you have to do is push down on the center to release the dvd/cd from the case. The cd is not likely to break if you do not know that but the case can, and the effort is hugely increased. The cd/dvd packaging is one of the most frustrating. There are even worse examples of poor packaging though, that tend to result in breaking the product more often than the product is successfully retrieved. Delphi234 (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Best way to reference my photos that have been photoidentified by the E-Flora BC project

Some of my photographs have been identified to species by the University of British Columbia's E-Flora BC project. How can I best indicate this in the file page? I made an initial attempt using references here. Any suggestions for a better way before I start uploading these files in earnest? See my user page for my rationale. Mcitsci (talk) 05:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Better to include the link in the 'Description' section rather than separately below; I'll edit it a bit later to show what I think (you can always undo if you don't like it!) - MPF (talk) 16:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
See if this is OK: File:Rosa gymnocarpa Parksville 03.JPG. I don't think a full citation of the project editor and title is needed here, that's available at the E-flora website; just links to the site main page and the photo's page. - MPF (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Looks good. I'll do it that way, thanks. Mcitsci (talk) 17:00, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

delete an uploaded file

I uploaded a file, but it has the wrong name. I would like to get the right name on the file. The most expedient way for me would be to delete the file, and then upload one with the correct name.

How can i do it?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffrey Scott Longstaff (talk • contribs) 09:25, 28 August 2012‎ (UTC)
  • Actually, the most expedient way would be to use {{rename}}. Alternatively, you can just upload under the new name and then tag your original badly named file with {{duplicate|other file}}. But most Commons users don't have the privileges to delete a file directly themselves. - Jmabel ! talk 15:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Selva dei Molini

Can you check if the update of the license in the file File:Selva_dei_Molini.jpg is right? Thank you.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alextrade2404 (talk • contribs) 17:08, August 28, 2012‎ (UTC)
Hi! There are two licence mentions on this file, CC By-SA and public domain. Which one do you want? Also, the copyright warning isn't automatically removed: you need to delete it yourself after you have chosen a suitable licence. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 15:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

uploading images

how to upload images in wikimedia commons? my uploaded images can any one access or only myself?

how to upload my personal images?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Naveen Ganeasn (talk • contribs)
First, please read COM:SCOPE. Commons is a repository of educational images, videos and sounds, so images need to have an educational value, otherwise they are out of scope. Then go to Special:UploadWizard, read all information carefully, then follow the wizard directives. Remember that Commons only accept free media. Your images will be accessible to everyone. Thanks for your participation, Yann (talk) 09:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
In particular, not only will your images be accessible to everyone, but they must be reusable by everyone, including with modifications. - Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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Permission vs. Licence

Hi, what is to be done if the "permission" entry of a file is contrary to the licence template? File:DreadMarLUNAPARK200px.jpg gives "All rights reserved" as well as CC-SA. Ignore? Change? Shift to an obscure category where nobody finds it? Request deletion? --Rudolph Buch (talk) 15:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Ask the uploader first, and request deletion if you don't get an answer. Yann (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
A larger version of that file is also available under a non-free license at This one should probably go through OTRS. LX (talk, contribs) 18:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I now notified the uploader (without much hope, though, as his most recent contribution was more than a year ago). --Rudolph Buch (talk) 20:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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Copyright help regarding File:Population of Denmark 1.January 2012 by ancestry..gif

What to do to have this graphic from stats Denmark posted on wikipedia english? --Polarwolf69 (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Since someone else is the creator we need evidence of permission, and also we need to see a license. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


Sorry, I pushed upload too fast. File at right

Add caption here

should be renamed. I suggest: "Lincoln Kentucky Map" Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that maps from Openstreetmap have to be licensed as {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}, not {{cc-zero}}. --Stefan4 (talk) 17:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
This is what {{rename}} is for. Or User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. - Jmabel ! talk 01:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

hello comm help desk!

There is a picture to a man from yemen died in 2010 here [52] and one user uploaded it with no information of Author and as public domin at Arabic wiki. The yemen law says it should be 10 years untill the right expired. But what I understand even if 10 years or more there should be a name of author!. what do you guys think about it? I need to know.--Neogeolegend (talk) 05:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

The author should always be mentioned if their name or pseudonym is known. More importantly, the relevant part of {{PD-Yemen}} relies on the date of publication (not creation), so verifiable information on the source and date of the first publication must be provided. LX (talk, contribs) 10:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
In case the conclusion wasn't clear from my previous answer: The file should not be transferred to Commons unless the required information is provided. That the Arabic Wikipedia apparently chooses to host files with unclear copyright status is not really a matter for Commons. Also, please don't crosspost the same question in multiple places! It creates fragmented discussions and needless extra work. LX (talk, contribs) 10:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
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