User talk:Tralis2

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-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 12:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:Ivan Trayling 440 yards open championship, 1952.jpg

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Yours sincerely, JuTa 22:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Ivan Trayling MLC with PM India Gandhi.jpg

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NatGertler (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Mayor Ivan Trayling.jpg

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NatGertler (talk) 18:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Photographs and rights

Tralis,

Thanks for asking me for help on this. I'll try to sort out what's going on, although I'm afraid that the news is not going to be good.

What's at question here is whether Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia has the right to make copies of these photos. There are basically four ways this can happen:

• The photos were never under copyright, so no one has the right to say "no". This can happen several ways in the United States, but these photos are not from the United States. I don't know of any such method in India or Australia, and reviewing the Wikipedia articles on the laws in those countries does not suggest any such path.
• The photos were under copyright but are now in the public domain. The main way that things pass into the public domain is with the passage of time. Australian law says that something passes into the public domain 70 years after the death of the creator; Indian law says sixty years after, and even anonymous works get 60 years. So neither of these photos work in that manner.
• You hold the copyright to the works and give permission for their use. Since you were not the photographer and don't know who was (and thus are not likely heir to the photographer), this is also a no-go.
• There is a copyright holder and we do not have their permission to use the photo, but we have a legal excuse to do so. This is what is called "fair use". If there were no public domain or licensed photos of the subject in question, and the subject was dead so no one could take a new photo, then that would qualify... but since the subject is not dead, that doesn't. If we were doing an article about an important photo itself, then we would have a claim as well... but we aren't. ("Fair use" photos are kept only on Wikipedia and not in the Wikimedia Commons, because they are not generally free to use, they're only free to use in certain contexts.)

I hope that clarifies things. Let me know if there are any questions.

Similarly, the photo from the track event looks very much like a newspaper photo; can I assume that we also don't have permission of the copyright holder on that? --NatGertler (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dear NatGertler

Thanks so much for that, extremely helpful!

So I did some research on the athletics meet photo and it was from a newspaper from 1952 and is published on the internet through the National Library. I opened the PD Australia tag which said that works published before 1955 had expired copyright.

I emailed the City of Port Phillip, formerly St Kilda and their CMS Officer Communications & Engagement advised me that the Council had no copyright issues with the Mayoral photo.

So we're good on those two.

But afraid yeah it looks like the one with Prime Minister Gandhi can't be published as it still remains copyrighted. Ah well.

Thanks again for all your help!!!

Regards & Thanks, Tralis

File:Trayling as Mayor.jpg

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NatGertler (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

File source is not properly indicated: File:John Berchman Simmons.jpg

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Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)