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Ces différentes brochures sont éditées justement dans le cadre de l'opération "Jardiner autrement" et sont évidement libres de droits dans ce but.
Les photos que j'ai mis du fait de mes relations avec les Eclaireurs de France sont toutes sous licence libre.
Il en est de même pout toutes les photos que je met sur Wikipédia. Je n'ai pas attendu les demandes d'Habertix pour me conformer aux règles de Wikipédia. Arn (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Moins d'une heure avant, à 20:43 (UTC), sur fr:user talk:Habertix#Incompréhension, vous parliez d'autorisation implicite (je sais par mes relations avoir une autorisation implicite de les déclarer libres de droits).
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Être un proche ne suffit pas. C'est l'ayant-droit (puisque Paul-Émile Victor est décédé) qui peut mettre ce dessin sous licence libre CC-BY-SA ou une licence compatible. Ce n'est pas en téléchargeant la même image sous un autre nom que cela changera son statut légal.
Bonjour user:Habertix, Je comprend bien et j'approuve les règles de WP que vous cherchez à faire respecter et le rôle que vous jouez pour lutter contre la diffusion abusive d'images ou de photos sur WP. Mais ces règles utilisées au sens stricte sont inadaptées pour les dessins réalisés par Paul-Emile Victor (et par les scouts en général) qui cherchent avant tout à faire connaître leur attachement au scoutisme de manière bénévole et sans aucune recherche de rémunération. En supprimant ce dessin notamment vous allez contre sa volonté qui était de faire savoir le plus largement possible qu'il était Eclaireur de France en allant en Terre-Adélie. Je suis sûr qu'il "se retournerait dans sa tombe" s'il apprenait que ce dessin est "censuré" pour un tel motif. Par ailleurs, pour votre deuxième question, je ne comprend pas, sauf erreur de ma part, quand j'importe des photos ou des images pour WP c'est en les déclarant libres de droit d'utilisation, pas libre de droit de vente. Arn (talk) 08:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dans les licences définies par Creative Commons, il y a des licences qui interdisent les réutilisations commerciales. Elles comportent alors le terme NC, comme BY-NC-SA, mais ces licences ne sont pas acceptées sur ici.
Je pose une troisième fois ma question : est-ce que j'ai le droit de vendre les fiches de Jardiner autrement, des calendriers avec vos photos scoutes ou des tee-shirts avec le dessin de Paul-Émile Victor ?
Bonjour user:Habertix. En ce qui me concerne, je suis d'accord pour accorder les utilisations commerciales de ces images et dessins. Toutefois si vous estimez qu'il serait préférable de les mettre en BY-NC-SA, compte tenu du caractère plus personnel de certaines de ces photos, je n'y vois pas de réels inconvénients. Cordialement. Arn (talk) 05:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Votre accord n'a aucune importance car, sauf erreur de ma part, vous n’êtes pas le représentant légal de Jardiner autrement, des Éclaireurs ou de Paul-Émile Victor.
Il ne vous reste plus qu'à demander la suppression de ces illustrations et de toutes que vous avez téléchargées à tort.
Votre acharnement à l'égard des photos et images que j'ai importées est incompréhensible. Je prend des précautions avant de mettre ces photos en licence libre sur Commons ainsi que je vous l'ai déjà dit. Pour les 3 photos des éclaireurs de France j'ai auparavant contacté la direction puis le service communication des EEDF en leur demandant de m'envoyer des photos libres de droit. Ce sont des photos qu'ils m'ont transmise bien volontiers dans ce but que j'ai mis en ligne. Pour la photo du Numéro spécial Le Ranch, Tout Droit de décembre 1959, il s'agit de l'une de mes sœurs à laquelle j'ai demandé l'autorisation et qui me l'a donné bien volontiers. Pour les images de documents de Jardiner autrement, j'ai été associé à cette opération qui a pour seul objectif de diffuser largement ce type d'information parfaitement neutre. Pour PEV je vous au déjà donné de nombreuses explications. Je contribue à WP depuis 2006 en essayant d'accompagner les textes avec des photos ou des illustrations qui apportent des éclairages favorisant leur lecture. Vos affirmations sont inexactes, je ne suis pas en tort. Merci d'arrêter de me menacer. Arn (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oui, j'ai répondu trop rapidement car j'étais agacé. Il y a de nombreuses photos que j'ai importé avec des licences comprenant "NC", ce qui me semble préférable . Mais j'ai souvent hésité avant de mettre telle où telle licence. J'aurais peut être, dans quelque cas du plutôt mettre une licence un peu différente mais ce n'est pas toujours évident. J'en profite pour préciser que je peux fournir des copies des mails des échanges que j'ai eu avec les EEDF, avec ma sœur et que je peux facilement me procurer une autorisation par les responsables de "Jardiner autrement" si nécessaire. Enfin, avant de prendre la photo de l'emballage de gazon Label rouge dans le magasin Vilmorin du Quai de la Mégisserie à Paris (qui en était le siège social). J'ai demandé si je pouvais prendre cette photo afin de la mettre sur WP et j'ai eu une réponse positive de la part du responsable du magasin. Puis j'ai volontairement "coupé" le haut de la photo pour éviter qu'elle puisse constituer de la publicité pour une marque précise. Arn (talk) 07:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bonjour. Depuis le 26 janvier vous avez commencé à supprimer des textes sur l'article "Jardiner autrement" sans explications argumentées. Je vous ais questionné sur votre page de discussion, vous ne m'avez jamais répondu. Puis vous avez commencé à critiquer les licences libres que j'ai mis pour des images et des photos en concordance avec des textes de WP. Que cherchez vous ? Pourquoi cette agressivité ? Je contribue depuis 2006 à WP. J'ai crée plus de 100 articles, j'ai fait plus de 4000 contributions qui n'ont pratiquement jamais été critiquées. Je ne souhaites pas discuter avec vous dans ces conditions. Arn (talk) 11:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Vieux Castor.jpg, File:Special Tout droit Le ranch.jpg, File:Hibou japonais.jpg[edit]
All these photos are personal archives : "Vieux Castor" or André Lefevre was "Eclaireur de France" and asked my father Eugène Arnaud to become national commissioner of the Eclaireur de France. He is sitting next to my father in the photo illustrating the creation of the CEMEAs, my mother is in the 2nd row. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_d%27entra%C3%AEnement_aux_m%C3%A9thodes_d%27%C3%A9ducation_active#/media/Fichier:Stage_cr%C3%A9ation_CEMEA_1937.jpg
For File:Special Tout droit Le ranch.jpg the girl is my sister Martine Gruère Arnaud who give me the autorisation.
For File:Hibou japonais.jpg this photo come from a photo with many reponsible of "Fédération Française des Eclaireuses" and my mother "Pouliche" was also on this photo. This photo was published in a paper name DT (Debrouillum tibi ;https://fr.scoutwiki.org/Debrouillum_Tibi) created by my mother Marise Arnaud (see: https://fr.scoutwiki.org/Marise_Arnaud) Arn (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] I was born into a family where everyone was a scout. My father and my mother were senior officials of scouting in France. We have all been totemized with animal names. My parents' friends were scouts and totemized. When one is a scout have made the promise to always tell the truth, not to lie. I am 74 years old. These photos are archives of my family and our friends who are all dead now. If I don't put them on WP, no one will do it for me. I therefore consider myself qualified to do so. I can if necessary provide more complete explanations if you tell me what you expect. Thank you for your understanding.
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