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A barnstar for you![edit]

Photographer Barnstar.png The Photographer's Barnstar
wOUAW Lietta03love (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely PierreSelim (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments on the deletion request, I will try to sort the files:
  • architecture is the main subject
  • architecture is not the main subject,possible COM:DM to discuss
  • COM:DM (basically files I really shouldn't have listed.).
PierreSelim (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Motorcars of Belgium[edit]


Hopefully this shouldn't be a problem - a better name should be Category:Railcars of Belgium. Thanks.Mddkpp (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Bus in Lazio[edit]

I have no idea, maybe you can find it on google maps street view.--Friedrichstrasse (talk) 11:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

To long a name[edit]

I messed up a file name with an unintended extra (Dutch) description sentence in the name. The rename was refused as no valid reason. Come on! I agree that "To long a Name" is not a valid reason, but junk in the name is.

File:Splitsing spoorlijnen 109 en 111 met wachterhuis in Thuillies. Beide spoorlijnen zijn verbouwd als RAVel fietspad..JPG Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe you have incorrectly piped the {{Rename}}. I have corrected it but I think you should still define a better rationale per rename criteria. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 11:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Antwerpen 1930s Boerentoren.jpg[edit]

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84.61.149.75 20:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Correcting perpectives[edit]

Hey, I have answerd you on Villagepump. see here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Correcting_perpectives . Cheers, Amada44  talk to me 08:57, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Backup village pump[edit]

HAL Rotterdam terminal en schip.JPG
HAL Rotterdam terminal en schip1a.JPG

Is there some procedure or tool to correct perspective problems? (leaning towers etc) One example is File:HAL Rotterdam terminal en schip.JPG, where someone corrected the image with File:HAL Rotterdam terminal en schip1a.JPG.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Lens correction tools can do this. See a tutorial at [1]. Dcoetzee (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Gimp, among others, does it. Gimp 2.8: tools/transformation/perspective --Jwh (talk) 08:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
But GIMP does not have the ability to correct barrel/pincushion distortion, does it? /ℇsquilo 12:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
You can find this tool under Filters > Distorts > Lens Distortion... There's a documentation about it on docs.gimp.org. Make sure you've got your GIMP updated to the latest version (although the lense correction feature has been already added in GIMP 2.3.12 beta). Regards, Peter Weis (talk) 13:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! /ℇsquilo 19:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks too, Peter! --Jwh (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

There is a dedicated software for this. Its called ViewPoint from DxO. Details are here: http://www.dxo.com/uk/photo/dxo_viewpoint/introduction - Amada44  talk to me 08:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Michelin nr 66, 1940 Belfort.jpg[edit]

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File:Michelin nr 66, 1940 Belfort.jpg[edit]

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Category:Metalic_trams[edit]

-- Tuválkin 17:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

New Version[edit]

Do you know the link on file pages saying "Upload a new version of this file"? I think it would be easier for you to upload new versions using this form. --McZusatz (talk) 13:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: It is a much more logical place.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:50, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Er klopt iets niet[edit]

Hi, I'll do this in Dutch.... Over File:Interieur_-_Dordrecht_-_20063247_-_RCE.jpg: de beschrijving lijkt me niet te kloppen met de inhoud. Hoe komt dat? Weet jij dat? En weet je hoe je erachter zou kunnen komen wat het wel is? Groet - Dick Bos (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

De andere beelden kloppen ook niet met de Wijnstraat in het hartje Dordrecht. Ik vrees dat er een administratieve mismatch is geweest. Ik zal even in de kroeg vragen.Smiley.toerist (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Eleassar (t/p) 08:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Uncorrect date on a postcard[edit]

Hallo, this image cannot be from 1915: the tramcar is clearly a unit of the series 2500, built from 1932.--Friedrichstrasse (talk) 11:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The dates on the back are confusing: handwritten is 25 - XII - XV. The stamp is Torino, 18-19, 26 . XII, 36 XV. The poststamp is 20 cent? I have a suspicion that it is year 15 of the election of fascists in the parlement 1921 (1936 - 15 = 1921). This should make it the year 1936. Smiley.toerist (talk) 15:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
The "Fascist Era" (E.F.) started on 28th October 1922. Then XV E.F.: from 28th October 1936 to 27th October 1937. So 25 - XII - XV = 25th December 1936.--Friedrichstrasse (talk) 17:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Category:Badner_Bahn_Old_Trams[edit]

   FDMS  4    08:58, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Category: Tatranská Štrba (train station)[edit]

Hi, sorry, I cannot understand why you made category Tatranská Štrba (train station). Oficial name of the station is Štrba. Especially when you moved only some photos into that new category. --PetrS. (talk) 06:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The two categories "Štrba (train station)" and "Tatranská Štrba (train station)" already existed. Tatranská Štrba is used for the meter gauge part of the station while Štrba for the mainline part of the station. However there where also meter gauge pictures in the Štrba category wich I moved. I have made Tatranská Štrba a subcategory of Štrba. It is already a subcategory of "Ozubnicová železnica Štrba - Štrbské Pleso" the small track railway line. To avoid confusion the category "Tatranská Štrba (train station)" should be renamed. I wil make a suggestion.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
I created a new Category:Poprad-Tatry railway station (Tatra Electric Railways) for the other joint station.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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ITX-Saemaeul[edit]

According to the source I got from Korea Railway Information Center, highest speed as follows:

  • Highest speed during operation: 150Km/h
  • Highest speed technically: 165Km/h

Hope this helps, — Revi 18:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, 150km/u is not the commercial speed (all in, including stops). I was afraid of that.Smiley.toerist (talk) 18:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

If you need help regarding Korean Raildroad, feel free to ask me on my talk page. :) — Revi 16:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Category:Elmers End station (tram)[edit]

There is no way that a subdivision of the station category like this is warranted - it's not as if the tram part is separate like at Beckenham - it's just another platform. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Any station category can be further subdivided, as an extreme example Category:Antwerp Central Station. These subcategories have to be practical and usefull. In this category there only one picture (File:All change - geograph.org.uk - 225392.jpg) wich is dual tram/train. All the rest have only tram or the rest of the station as subject. I could name the category "tram platform" only this is to specific for some pictures. (File:Tram 2558 at Elmers End.jpg but I classify this one as between tram stops). The big advantage of having this subcategory is that this can be placed under the tram stop categories and other tram categories. There are to many non-tram pictures to classify te whole Elmers End station category as a tram-stop. You can of course classify the pictures individualy as a tram stop but then you mess up the category Tramlink stops where everything is subcategorized by individual tram stops. Eventualy Tramlink stops en trams will have to be categorised by routenumber as most big tramnetworks. For the vehicles I dont suppose you have a problem with "Trains at Elmers End" and "Trams at Elmers End" subcategories. I am aware that the Commons adapts to local taste for categorisations and I respect that. I would like to know how other UK Wikipedians think about these issues. Therefore I would like to discus this in the Village Commons.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Verzoekje[edit]

Beste Smiley.toerist,

Ik kwam een Flickr stream tegen met allemaal foto's van treinen en d8 he, dat zijn leuke bruikbare foto's en heb ze vervolgens overzet naar Commons. Ware het niet dat ik geen flauw benul heb hoe ik sommige moet categoriseren. Heb je misschien zin om me met een paar foto's te helpen? Ze staan in Category:Images uploaded by Natuur12 (clcean up2) en wanneer ze in de juiste cat staan kan de categorie "Category:Images uploaded by Natuur12 (clcean up2)" verwijderd worden. Als je wilt helpen graag want volgens mij zitten er best wat waardevolle foto's tussen. Natuur12 (talk) 14:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

De eerste stap is deze beelden per land en jaartal te klasseren: voorbeeld: 2007 in transport in Belgium.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Ik heb al een flink aantal Belgische opnames verwerkt. Van sommige kan ik de locatie niet achterhalen. Hij is meer "materieel" man dan een station en spoorlijn liefhebber.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Dank voor de tip en de hulp. Treinen zijn niet mijn ding maar ik geloof wel dat dit soort fotocollecties waardevol zijn voor de toekomst. Natuur12 (talk) 23:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Het is nu gereduceerd tot 336 beelden. Veel beelden zijn van trein excursies naar bijzondere plekken in het Luikse industrie gebied. Kom je dus niet zo vaak tegen.Smiley.toerist (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Geweldig :). Dankjewel. Mooi dat er toch wat zeldzame beelden tussen zitten. Natuur12 (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Alle Belgische plaatjes zijn verwerkt en ik ga nu ook die van Nederland doen. Het zijn er niet zoveel.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Alles is nu teruggebracht tot 138 beelden. Ik heb vermoedelijk alle Europese beelden eruit gevist. (misschien nog een paar uit de Baltische staten) Je moet nu nog een Japanner en een Amerikaan vinden om de rest grotendeels weg te werken.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Geweldig!. Heel veel dank. Zelf zou me dat echt nooit gelukt zijn gezien mijn beperkte kennis van treinen enzo. Natuur12 (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Het zou heel veel helpen als Category:Photographs by Peter Van den Bossche in cronologische zit. Want dan zitten alle beelden van dezelfde reis bij elkaar en is het bepalen van de locatie gemakkelijker. Nu is alles door elkaar volgens de alfabetische volgorde. Voor die 3 diesellocomotieven die in 1999 ergens in het oosten zijn.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Ik ben klaar.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Plaza del Caudillo in Valencia.jpg[edit]

Thank you for a couple of postcards of my hometown! But I find some problems with Plaza del Caudillo in Valencia.jpg. That square is the main one in the city and it has had many names. Originally was know as Bajada de San Francisco. Later was renamed Plaza de Emilio Castelar. I think that the name was kept during de Civil War, but when the Francoist troops arrived (April 1939) it was changed to Plaza del Caudillo. About 1979 it was named Plaça del País Valencià and in the 1980s it became Plaça de l'Ajuntament. So in the 1930s it wasn't called del Caudillo, as Franco didn't use that title yet. I think that the picture is from the 1950s as the Ateneo Building, which was built in 1953, can be seen.
The other picture, the trams, is correctly located (that corner still exists and hasn't changed much) and the date could be right or wrong, I don't have a clue. Other user from Valencia could help you with that (Joanbanjo, for instance). B25es (talk) 05:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The two pictures where joined together so the dating is similar. I based my dating on the cars, but I suppose at that time Spain didn't import many cars, so you could have a Cuba-effect (only old cars in use). The building places the images in the 1950s. These are postcards without any identifying marks so I suppose these where official post office postcards. This classifies them as anonymous but unfortunataly not old enough for the eu-anonymous (70 years) unless Spain has a different PD age. Theoreticaly the tram picture could still be from 1930s as the postcard publication date can be long after the picture is taken. The editors often reuse an old picture collection. User:Smiley.toerist|Smiley.toerist]] (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Spoorzone-project_(rail)[edit]

Tukka (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

File:FEVE Baskenland Deba 2.jpg[edit]

The description should be changed, too ;-) Wieralee (talk) 15:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Trams in Liege[edit]

The tram network in Liège (1939)

Thank you for your wonderful map of the tramlines in Liege in 1939. It is really hard to find enough information or online sources to make a half way decent attempt at a translation based english language entry on the Liege trams before 1967.

(But yes, that is what I have been trying to do. Bien entendu, suis fou.)

PLEASE can you do something even more and tell me what the colo(u)rs means?

   Black lines = RELSE (?main line trains)
   Blue lines = TULE (?tramlines or ?trolleybus routes)
   Red lines = SNCV electric (
   Green lines = SNCV non-electric

I tried starting to guess but ... no, I think I've been guessing it wrong.

I am sorry I cannot write to you in Dutch. But I can write:

Besten Dank, succes en groetjes Charles01 (talk) 05:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Expanded comments. The full history is even more complicated see File:Tram companies in Liege province.png.Smiley.toerist (talk) 07:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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Diesel/stoomloc[edit]

Betreft: File:Stoomtrein Dort in stoom 2014.jpg‎ Wat betreft de dubbele tractie: Aan beide zijden van de trein stond een stoomloc omdat op het onderhavig traject geen keren mogelijk was. Sowieso klopt dus het verhaal niet. Bovendien gaat het erom wat op foto staat, er staat waarschijnlijk ook nog elektrisch materieel ergens maar ook dit doet niet ter zake. --Henk Bezemer (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Het kan zijn dat mijn geheugen mij in de steek laat. Wij kunnen beter de tekst weglaten. Het kan ook zijn dat een stoomloc het opgaf en dat men noodgedwongen een dieselloc in zette. Veelal eist Prorail trouwens dat betrouwbare tractie in de buurt is.Smiley.toerist (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Mijn geheugen heeft mij in de steek gelaten, de foto's die ik heb met twee stoomloc's dateren uit 2012, in 2014 ben ik niet geweest. Wat de tekst betreft laat ik helemaal aan jou over, nu durf ik niet meer.. :-) Succes.

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Rail Transport in London[edit]

FYI, the dbllr template can now handle the locations "St Pancras", "King's Cross", "Waterloo", "Victoria", "Paddington", "Cannon Street", "Charing Cross", "Euston", "Marylebone" and "London Bridge", plus variations thereof. Ping Geof Sheppard. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Category:Südtirol Bahn[edit]

Hallo, I cannot understand what should be this "Südtirol Bahn": the railway is usually called "Ferrovia del Brennero" in italian, or "Brennerbahn" in German.--Arbalete (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

This is the name used for all regional trainservices in Sudtirol. see http://www.vinschgauerbahn.it/en/ The ticketing and trains are marked in these Südtirol Bahn logo´s.Smiley.toerist (talk) 21:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
So, it isn't a railway line, but only the commercial name of the regional railway service.--Arbalete (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Its not a railway line and does not pretend to be, but it falls under the category (Rail transport in Trentino-South Tyrol). Maybe better to rename it `rolling stock of Südtirol Bahn`. There are similar categories such as (Rail vehicles of TER Alsace) within (TER Alsace).Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I've modified the category ([2]).--Arbalete (talk) 02:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Genoa–Granarolo railway line[edit]

Hallo, the rack line Genoa–Granarolo is a railway, not a tramway. I've modified the category ([3]).--Arbalete (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Railway images among Internet Archive book images[edit]

Hello Smiley.toerist,

I have been going through Category:Files from Internet Archive Book Images Flickr stream and there are many railway images which are not my specialty. Any help categorizing them would be appreciated:

...plus the 15000 images a search finds. Considering the scope I have also requested help from WikiProject Trains. MKFI (talk) 06:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

These images are mostly of the American railroad scene. That is not my strong point. I know much more about European railways.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Stolbovsky (talk) 07:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Vehicle 6129 of the Charleroi metro[edit]

Hallo,

De serie 61xx voertuigen werden hernummert in 74xx. 6129 werd dus 7429. Of maak is een vergissing ?

--H2O(talk) 21:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Bij mij is het: you see what you get. Het is in 1983. Dat het misschien later hernummerd is is niet van belang. De meeste kijkers die de nummering achtergrond niet kennen begrijpen er niets van. Ik ook niet tot je mij op deze hernummering wees. Zeker als ene een subcategory is van de andere. Is de oude nummering minder waard dan de nieuwe? Waarom geen twee aparte categorieën als er ook een beeld is met de nieuwe nummering? (maar die is er niet --> verwarring)

Het zijn ook andere maatschappijen: De SNCV/NMVB en de TEC. (ik neem aan dat de TEC ze vernummerd heeft) Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Het is hetzelfde voertuig, onder en ander kleurtje (maatschappij) en met een nieuw nummer. Een doorwijscategory is niet aangewezen. Daarom maakte is de oude nummering als een subcategory van de nieuwe. Met een beetje text uitleg is het misschien beter. --H2O(talk) 14:25, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

9000[edit]

Plaatjes geplaats, wat een vlijt. Hulde!

Met vriendelijke groet, Magere Hein (talk) 10:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Re:Interview als bron (vraag Commons)[edit]

Hartelijk dank voor het delen van deze inzichten en overwegingen, hier kan ik wat mee. Met vriendelijke groeten --OlafJanssen (talk) 12:12, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Leuke foto's[edit]

Erg leuk om oudere treinfoto's in Asturias (& elders) te zien. Ik heb hier, dankzij de koepel van de oude gevangenis, de locatie toegevoegd op het perroneinde in Oviedo. Savhñ 13:19, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Er komen er nog veel meer, vooral Barcelona en omgeving. Ik ben net klaar met het scannen van Spanje 1999.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Netkaart Buurtspoorwegen Brabant[edit]

Beste Smiley.toerist ! Eerst en vooral mijn dank en felicitaties voor de prachtige netplannen over de NMVB, ik heb ze in mijn opzoekingen al vaak opgeroepen. Daarbij zijn me enkele (kleine) foutjes opgevallen, dit is zeker geen kritiek.

  • NMBS lijn 124 : Lillois ipv Lillios
  • NMBS lijn 124 : Baulers ipv Baujers
  • NMBS lijn 60 : Lebbeke ipv Lebbele
  • NMBS lijn 60 : Mollem ipv Molhem (Molhem is oude spelling)
  • NMBS lijn 161 : gezien de kaart in het NL is, zou hier eigenlijk Bosvoorde moeten staan ipv Boitsfort
  • NMVB lijn AL (Aalst) : de tram kwam niet tot aan de statie van de NMBS. Terminus van de AL was aan de Corneliskaai.
    • De lijn lijkt achterom het station gereden te hebben: dienstregeling 1933: Asse - Aalst - Oordegem: In Aalst: Overhamme, Zeebergbrug, Dam, Baudewijnkaai (begin/eindpunt sommige ritten), Nieuwbrugstraat, Koophandelstraat, Koolstraat, Paddenhoek. Het lijkt erop dat de tram het kanaal overstak bij Nieuwbrugstraat. Er is daar trouwens een Tramstraat. Ik vermoed dat Baudewijnkaai later is hernoemd naar de Corneliskaai. Ik wacht even met de kaart aan te passen tot dat dit helder is.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
      • Beste Smiley.toerist ! Ik wou nog efkes terugkomen op de lijn AL. Ik heb vroeger (van 1978 tot 1984) langs deze lijn gewoond en heb meerdere buschauffeurs gekend, die voordien nog trambestuurder of ontvanger waren op de tramlijn AL, die me allemaal verteld hebben, dat de AL zijn terminus aan de Pierre Corneliskaai had en niet aan de statie. Ook de niet geëlektrificeerde lijn naar Wetteren begon daar. Die liep dan effectief door de huidige Tramstraat, dan links in de Nieuwbrugstraat en zo over de Dender. De schuine kant van het huis aan de hoek van de Tramstraat en de Nieuwbrugstraat herinnert eraan, dat de tram daar zijn bocht breed moest nemen. Ik bezit trouwens ook een foto waar men de AL onder de brug van de spoorweg aan de St-Annabrug ziet onderdoorkomen. Wanneer U dit op de kaart verwerkt, vergeet dan niet het ook op de kaart van de NMVB Oost-Vlaanderen te veranderen. Beste groetjes, Spm9153 (talk) 22:57, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • NMVB lijn Leerbeek - Edingen : Kokejane ipv Coquiane (Kokejane is deel van Herne)
  • NMVB lijn W (Waterloo) : Monument Gordon ipv Monument
  • NMVB lijn W (Waterloo) : Waterloo, Eglise ipv Waterloo, Kerk
  • NMBS lijn 147 : Sauvenière ipv Sauveniere
  • NMBS lijn 142 : Eghezée ipv Eghezee
  • NMVB lijn Beauvechain - Jodoigne : La Bruyère ipv La Bruyere
  • NMVB lijn Brussel - Leuven : de verkorte dienst W (Wezembeek) ontbreekt.
  • NMVB lijn Brussel - Leuven : de Leuvense stadsdienst 2 liep enkel tot Leuven Terbank, niet tot Tervuren. De electrische dienst Vossem - Tervuren had geen nummer, noch letter.
    • Ik heb het zo overgenomen uit de Rail Atlas vicinal, blad 40, Leuven 1940, De lijn 2 doorstreept rijdt tot Terbank en lijn 2 tot Tervuren.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • NMVB lijn Leuven - Diest : de verkorte dienst T (Tielt) ontbreekt.

Verder stel ik me de vraag of het niet wenselijk zou zijn, bij de electrische lijnen tussen () ook het nummer van het spoorboekje te vermelden. Ten slotte nog een algemene vraag : waarom hebben de kaarten van Henegouwen andere kleurcodes als die van de andere provincies ? Beste groetjes, Spm9153 (talk) 19:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

De kaarten van Henegouwen zijn veel later gemaakt met andere technieken. Groen was lastig te gebruiken met Openstreetmap kaarten als achtergrond. Het is de bedoeling de verschillende detailkaarten samen te voegen, de schaal is immers dezelfde. Het is mij alleen niet gelukt om samen te voegen met fotoshop. De kaarten zijn een afdruk van de betrokken fotoshop lagen. De andere provinciekaarten zijn handwerk op basis van een GTF spoorkaart detail fotos. Voor de rest informatie gebruiken van oude kaarten en die intekenen met de spoorlijnen als kader. De namen kan ik redelijk simpel aanpassen.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Het zal nog wel even duren. Ik ga net op reis.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:12, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Alles is verwerkt behalve Aalst en lijn 2 Tervuren. Zie boven.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

TEC line 365[edit]

Hi,

I used the terminusses for this line though the bus only goes to Charleroi-Sud on Sunday. But if you want to use the official name then it's 365a. --Dldwg (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

The bus line Charleroi - Brussels started very early: File:Dienstregelingen 124A en 124B.jpg. Later it got the national line number 365a. It was limited to Gosselies only after the metro/tram was extended to Gossely.Smiley.toerist (talk) 22:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Ghent trolley and tram network[edit]

Trolley line[edit]

I added the different categories to the trolley line Category:Trolleybuses in Gent.

Do you think I can remove the in-service photos and put them in the right folder: MIVG trolleybus line 3/De Lijn trolleybus line 3/‎De Lijn bus line 3‎ ?

As for the photos taken at the depot, we can place them in the vehicle folder or in the line folder. I'd rather place them in the vehicle folder as the photos taken at the depot are not giving much informations on the line, however we can place them in a "MIVG van hool AG280T at nameofthedepot depot" this category would be part of the line folder.

I put the n°3 bus line in this category as well as in the bus category due to it being the successor of the trolley line. However as De Lijn and the MIVG have only put in service 1 trolley line, I didn't created a MIVG or De Lijn trolleybus lines category and I put them in the bus lines category.

Tram line[edit]

Also, what do you think if we sort the lines depending on their company, line number and length instead of using the Ghent tramline 1 which is vague as the lines have far evolved since the MIVG ?

This would also avoid having all the photos in one folder.

As I did for the trolley line. If we take the 1st Ghent line, we end up with 1 main folder Ghent tramline 1 and different sub-folders: -MIVG tram line 1 -De Lijn tram line 1 (1991) -De Lijn tram line 1 (date where extensions were opened)

As for the 3rd line we can place a cat see also in each sub-folder for easier navigation.

If you agree, I can give it a try for the 1st line and see what it looks like ?

Also, the 1st line only seemed to have ben extended to Evergem and Flanders Expo, is that right ?

Dldwg

Line numbering[edit]

Historicaly line numbers have shifted:

  • The original tramline 1 (from 1931) ran from Moscow (now line 4 from 1984) to Van Beverenplein. From 1984 partial service line numbers where created:
    • Line 11: Sint-Pietersstation - Van Beverenplein
    • Line 12: Sint-Pietersstation - Korenmarkt
    • Lijn 10: Sint-Pietersstation - Wondelgem-Industrieweg (from 1989)
    • 2004: The line numbers where reduced to the line number 1 with the use of destination boards
  • The original tramline 3 (until 1969) was replaced by the buses 30/31 and then in 1989 by trolleybus line 3 until 2009.
  • Line 4: Before 1984 it was Sint-Pietersstation - Korenmarkt - Muide. From 1984 on it took over the tram line 10 Sint-Pietersstation - Muide (via Rabot) and took over the tram line 1 between Korenmarkt and Moscow. As with tram line 1, this tram line has also known the partial variants 40, 41, 42 and 43.

For the history of line numbers you can consult the Dutch articles: nl:Tramlijn 1 (Gent) and nl:Tramlijn 4 (Gent). The biggest risc of confusion is with tram line 10:

I would suggest to rename (MIVG tram line 10) to (MIVG tram line 10 Sint-Pieters Muide). Trams with line numbers 10, 11 and 12 (after 1984) I would classify as line 1 and explain in the category description wat is going on. As far as I know their are no pictures of these lines, but they my turn up in the future.Smiley.toerist (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

File:UAZ-452 in Barentsburg, Svalbard.jpg[edit]

Look at this revision, please. I didn't managed this movement. I'm cleaning redirected categories only, because they should be empty. Look at effects of your edit here, please... Is it what you would like to achieve?

Good luck! Wieralee (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
There is a major difference between ´in a country´ and ´of a country´. The first one is a pure geografic classification. All vehicles present in the country whatever their origin. The second one means original from that country, but it does not mean it has to be present in the country. The Sovjet Union is no longer, so al pictures taken after 1991 must be ´of the Sovjet Union´ meaning Sovjet origin. Only pictures taken before 1992 taken ´´´in´´´ the Sovjet Union can be classified as such. (Maybe with the exception of out of use vehicles in a museum) You should treat the Sovjet Union the same way as Austria-Hungary or any other ex country. It is preferable to use the Russian categories for most cases of geografic identifation, as their is no posible confusion wathever the date. If the vehicle is of Sovjet Union (built/origin) you can use the category of the Sovjet Union. These can then be photografed anywhere in the world. Aother example: File:Herzele t'Uilekot en buurtspoorwegstation-3.jpg I cant classify this under (Trams in Brussels) as this is in Herzele, but I did put it under (Old and heritage trams from Brussels). The use of the word ´from´ clearer in this case.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
  • @Smiley.toerist: REDIRECTED CATEGORIES SHOULD BE EMPTY. Wieralee (talk) 11:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
    • I disagree with the redirect, most images should remain in the category of the Sovjet Union see arguments above. I started a discussion in the Village Pump: [4]. Maybe the category should be renamed: Vehicles from the Soviet Union. You really cant have recent images of vehicles in an non-existing country!Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
  • @Smiley.toerist: you should talk to User:Verdy p who has moved the category. You can change its placement, but don't put files in redirected categories, please.
I only care for redirected categories. Files in such categories are hidden: nobody can see them. Wieralee (talk) 12:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I removed the redirect so it is no longer a redirected category. I asked for a rename. In the other category most are old pictures or pictures of Sovjet era vehicles in museums (in ex Sovjet Union).Smiley.toerist (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Now in the Category:Vehicles in Norway as Barentsburg is in Svalbard, Norway. Category:UAZ-452 is Soviet Union vehicle. So both geografic and type vehicle categories are correct. Case closed.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hoort Amsterdam Rembrandtsplein.backside inderdaad bij Amsterdam?[edit]

Dag Smiley.toerist, hoort Amsterdam Rembrandtsplein.backside inderdaad bij Amsterdam? Er staat namelijk Dordrecht op de kaart. Groeten, Wouter (talk) 06:57, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Is mij ook opgevallen. Maar zie vergelijkbaar [5] De drukker moet in de tijd flink hebben zitten knoeien. Stukken tekst zijn afgesneden aan de linkerkant en de achterkant is ondersteboven als je de kaart links rechts omdraait. Die moet gedacht hebben als de voorkant maar klopt, moet de achterkant alleen bruikbaar zijn. Dordrecht heeft alleen een paardentram gekend. Fouten op briefkaarten komen vaker voor zoals in File:Amsterdam Hoogesluis.jpg. Als je Hogesluis in Amsterdam opzoekt kom je op een heel andere plek uit. Wel in de buurt maar toch. Ik vraag mij trouwens af of de opname aan de voorkant van H.J. Tollens (1864 – 1936) is. www.regionaalarchiefdordrecht.nl. Mijn vermoeden is dat briefkaartpapier is herbruikt voor andere opnames. zie nummer 73 in http://www.dordtsekaart.nl/venvdwd.html.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:17, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Tournai tram map[edit]

Hi,

I made a Google My Maps map of Tournai tram at the end of year 1951, I credited you as I used your Tournai Tramnet map for lots of details.

Links to the map --Dldwg (talk) 14:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Antwerpen-centraal[edit]

See the position of the Belgian flag!! It is (also) the opening of the connection to the Netherlands...--Bezeh.nl (talk) 22:48, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

At the same time in Lille, France the other end of the opened connection:
The two flags hung verticaly
. The French flag: File:Bandera francesa.jpg, The Dutch flag: File:2008-04-30 oude st mauritius silvolde met vlag.JPG. Both flags have the same colours (Red, white, bleu) but in different order and orientation. (Dutch: Red, white, bleu in higher, lower order) French: (bleu, white, red, from pole end to flag end). In Antwerp both Belgian and French flag are shown in normal position with vertical colours.
In 1986 there is no opening of a new train connection between Belgium and the Netherlands.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Helaas, ik heb volkomen ongelijk :-) Inderdaad heeft de Belgische vlag ook "staande" banen.. Ik zal voortaan wat beter oriënteren. --Bezeh.nl (talk) 15:15, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

File:Alsdorf Poststrabe 2016.jpg[edit]

Alsdorf Annapark 2016.jpg

Hello Smiley.toerist, I just discovered your Image Alsdorf Poststrabe 2016.jpg. I really like it but I'm nearly 100% sure, it is not taken at Alsdorf Poststraße but at Alsdorf Annapark.--Trockennasenaffe (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

You are correct. I had arrived with a train that went no further and waited for the train to Stolberg.Smiley.toerist (talk) 13:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Re:Motivation for removing dating categories?[edit]

The answer is simple. Before my edits, there was overcategorization. There shouldn't be any images in the categories like Category:May 2017 in Romania while there are more precise date categories. All images should be placed in the Category:May 2017 Romania photographs or even better more precise in the full date category. So I do that. Look now to all date and Romania categories in 2017, from January to December: Category:May 2017 in Romania. Now there is a order. All images are placed in the precise full date Romania categories like Category:Romania photographs taken on 2017-05-23. So that's all. --Halavar (talk) 10:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I overlooked the hidden categories. I see now you removed the upper redundant category level. I would be nice if aditional local categories such as '2017 in Focșani' are created, but thats long time work. Such tings need to be done comprehensively. (Then all pictures of Focșani to be year categorised)Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Horse-drawn carriages in Austria-Hungary[edit]

Partiment de l'Empèri d'Àustria-Ongria.png

Hi Smiley.toerist. I see you have created this new category but do you understand that because you have done that you must finish its tree right up to the end. If you cannot do that I plan to revert your edit. OK?

The reason for reverting your edit is that you have broken the system and I am trying - over days of work so far – to put it back together. Please would your revert your edit if you are unwilling to create all the categories for this "new" country. Thank you, Eddaido (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

As a rule al South-Tirol images from before 1919 are also put into the Austria-Hungary categories. The regional categories are no problem. South-Tirol was not part of Italy, but of Austria-Hungary empire. After WW I the region was annexed by Italy. I created other Austria-Hungary categories such as Category:Photochrom prints collection (Austria-Hungary). I will look upp the tree to make it complete.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Do you choose to fail to understand or must I explain the problem more carefully? Eddaido (talk) 10:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
OK non sequitur for non sequitur. Do you really not understand why there is a problem? Eddaido (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
No because for me a country is also defined by time. In South-Tirol everything from before 1918 is Austria-Hungary and after that Italy. The region switched countries. Otherwise you can use the presentday country. Under wich country wil you classify images of the Crimea? Ukraine, Russia or the Sovjet Union? In most cases one takes the easy way out and just use the local Crimea categories.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't read And understand the last sentence of your last message. (vide "I will look upp the tree to make it complete.") It would be so much simpler to leave the place in whichever nation it is at present. There are so many former arrangements very like Austria-Hungary all round the world recognising them makes this categorising very difficult. I look forward with interest to see what you achieve. If you come up with something rational there's no use in me complaining any further. Lot of typing for you though. Eddaido (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
The problem is in practice not that great. The number of images/files from before 1919 in the 'annexed' region are limited. All the rest and current images can all use Italy categories.
Yes, good point (time or period) and always well understood. I'd like to see political re-arrangements accounted for but to do so would mean an enormous inflation of categories. e.g. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia . . . Have you adjusted the categories at issue to suit your views? If you haven't may I suggest you identify but feed back e.g. South-Tirol to Italy just because that is the current arrangement. Otherwise carrying your plans to a logical conclusion means creating a new country for the region of your concern and a large number of new categories - I suspect you are unaware of the sheer volume of categories, I look forward to seeing that. Eddaido (talk) 11:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm not American (or European) and there was a chill about South-Tirol that I liked when I've passed through. Do you think this topic should be discussed where a consensus of quite a number of editors can be reached? Eddaido (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Sovjet Union, Ottoman empire are not really problematic as they divided themselves up in new countries and the presentday countries can be used. Only really specific things such as maps have to connected to the earlier countries. I see more problems with moving borders such as between Germany, Poland and Russia. There are two separate categories for Category:Königsberg (German period) and Category:Kaliningrad (Sovjet union, Russia, it was attached to Russia in Sovjet times after occupation) Its not even the same population or language, most Germans where expelled. The reality is often messy.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
This means no category named Czechoslovakia? Eddaido (talk) 10:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Of course there are Czechovakia categories as there is Category:Horse-drawn carriages in Slovakia. I suggest you put Horse-drawn carriages in Prague and other Czech cities in Category:Horse-drawn carriages in the Czech Republic. There are typical Czechoslovakian categories such as Category:ČSAD and Category:ČSD (the Czechoslovakian national bus and rail compagnies who later split up. Another category time split is between Category:Coastal tram, Belgium and Category:NMVB/SNCV Coastline(until 1991). Its not always clear cut. Category:Tramparade 125 year vicinal railways are pictures taken in 2010 after the vicinal period, but subject is of course the vicinal railway. There are no hard rules but we do the best we can.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I quote "Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Sovjet Union, Ottoman empire are not really problematic as they divided themselves up in new countries". I read that to mean Czechoslovakia you want divided up. Your response ("Of course there are Czechovakia categories") leaves me very puzzled. And then at the end you add "There are no hard rules but we do the best we can."?? Eddaido (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Lets start again:

  • In principle the presentday countries in the 'by country categories' are used unless it can cause confusion for historic images. (99 % of cases)
  • Slovakia was a region within Czechoslovakia. It is stil Slovakia also in earlier times. If you go further back to 1919 it was part of the Austria-Hungary nation. There is no confusion because 'Slovakia' refers in this case to a 'historic' region within Czechoslovakia and Austria-Hungary.
  • With annexation of a region by another country, there is a clear break in the nationality of the region. After 1919 the South Tirol region is no longer Austria-Hungarian (Austrian part) but Italian.
  • If a subject is clearly linked to a specific country (also historic) the country category is used. Examples are flags, symbols, maps, banknotes, poststamps, national companies, etc

Within the Commons there is no authority to impose rules. (Wih the exception of the WMF about license matters. Wich files can be uploaded) Rules and practices evolve gradualy as 'best practice' with a maximun of freedom, so there is a lot of variation. When there is a conflict it can be resolved with a voting procedure within the community. But mostly a concensus develops. So the rules stated above is my view of best practice. That is why I wil move the discussion to Commons:Village Pump for the input of others.Smiley.toerist (talk) 18:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, (first section) no problem to me, never disputed. Your problem is you (incompletely) re-categorised a historic image of South-Tirol to Austria-Hungary. The principles on which you made that edit is what needs public debate (see my suggestion to you made a long way above) and I look forward to that debate. Eddaido (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

File Gent tram maart 1982 21[edit]

Hi,

By any chance, do you know where you took this photo back in 1982 ?

Dldwg (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

See nl:Gentse tram#Evolutie tramnet 1961-2010 (Op 31 augustus 1982:...)Two sections of tramline where opened in early 1982:

  • The shortcut section from 'Gent Nieuwevaartbrug' (bridge) to 'Francisco Ferrierlaan' (used to run along to canal)
  • and from 'Gent Van Beverenplein' to Botestraat. As this is a curved section I suspect the Koleegemstraat.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:11, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi,
I asked this question as someone on the T2000-forum asked for it. However you may have made a mistake, as you took this photo in Brussel here.
Here is the forum topic. Dldwg (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

You are correct, this is Anderlecht, Brussels.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Diamanten zijn niet (helaas ?) eeuwig...[edit]

Dag, ik aarzelde om deze sub-categorisatie te doen, maar het is essentieel. Er zijn echt te veel foto's om te sorteren Face-crying.svg ... en in waarheid ben ik een beetje lui Sifflote !! Dank U. Groeten, Julien -- Nanzig (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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South Devon Sea Wall[edit]

I think that Category:Trains at South Devon Railway sea wall in Dawlish would be better as Category:Trains on the South Devon Railway sea wall in Dawlish. Geof Sheppard (talk) 10:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Tramlink[edit]

Is the category date of 2016 right in the following images, or is the date 29 August 2018 in the date field correct?

I suspect the latter is correct but thought I better ask before changing it. Oxyman (talk) 14:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

The camera date is correct. I only needed to correct the time as it was Continental time, not English time.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

By the way: I will continue to upload rail images I made during a trip to South England and London. London is now complete.Smiley.toerist (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Bluebell railway is now complete.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Locations 1998 scans[edit]

It is done. Altona (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Eerste PCC in Europa[edit]

Je vermoeden dat de foto niet in Den Haag is genomen wordt hier bevestigd. Kwestie opgelost, denk ik, behalve dat nog onduidelijk is welke twee trams in februari 1948 nou precies op de lijnen 8 en 9 reden. Jürgen Eissink (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC). Met vriendelijke groet, Jürgen Eissink (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC).

Dit is trouwens bepaald een indrukwekkende database, jou vast al bekend – op de pagina met HTM-foto's verschijnt de eerste PCC inderdaad pas op 19 juli 1949. Jürgen Eissink (talk) 18:39, 11 December 2018 (UTC).
Hier (Trouw, 9 december 1947) nadere informatie over de twee dan nog te leveren PCC's [in het artikel 'P.P.C.' genoemd], met uitleg over waarom ze juist op lijn 8 en 9 zouden worden ingezet. Als de berichtgeving van februari 1948 juist is, en dus dit bericht daadwerkelijk bevestigt, dan móeten er ergens foto's zijn. Jürgen Eissink (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC).
In Het Parool van 10 september 1947 dan nog informatie over de samenwerking met België en de montage van de onderdelen.
De foto wordt overigens ook in De Waarheid van 3 februari 1948 gebruikt, waar de ingebruikname te Den Haag nog geen feit wordt genoemd. Op 4 augustus 1948 wordt in dezelfde krant in een artikel over nieuwe motorwagens gemeld: "Dit zijn dus nog niet de indertijd aangekondigde P.C.C.-cars", maar dat kan wellicht ook verwijzen naar een bericht over de verwachte 1949-PCC's. Het blijft schimmig, en ik weet niet zeker of die proef daadwerkelijk in Den Haag heeft plaatsgevonden totdat er foto's opduiken of anderszins hard bewijs. Jürgen Eissink (talk) 12:25, 11 December 2018 (UTC).
Dank je voor de informatie. Het beeld moet inderdaad op de tramlijn naar Tervuren zijn geweest. Het Haagse gebeuren is inderdaad nog mistig. Ik ga de 1948 nog eens nalezen. Vreemd dat dit Brussels beeld door journalisten wordt gebruikt. Ik vermoed dat dit beeld de enige gemakkelijk beschikbare beeld was voor journalisten. Ik denk dat er verwarring was met andere tramtypes (de andere bestelling van HTM, die wel is doorgegaan). Hoewel er in 1948 weinig tramhobbyisten waren die ook nog de tijd hadden om foto's te nemen, zou er in de NVBS-beeldbank, toch beelden van moeten bestaan. Mijn voorzichtige conclusie is dat er in 1948 nog geen PCC trams in Den Haag rondreden.Smiley.toerist (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)