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Thanks, Motacilla (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Regulus_madeirensis_&_leaf_litter.jpg[edit]

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Thanks for uploading Image:Regulus_madeirensis_&_leaf_litter.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

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Hello,
I restored this pic and add PD-self. Sorry for this deletion but it's not always easy to appreciate the good status of each pic and a little format without exif netheir license leads often to suspect an uncertain upload.
You will have to restore links on both articles. Friendly Oxam Hartog 23:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

new uploads[edit]

I read your message on User talk:Rüdiger Wölk

The process before deletion is the following :

All pics without license are in a special list (Uncategorized images) and anyone (me for your pic) can tagged these pics for deletion (with warning message on user page and a minimun of control).

Without reactions, 7 days later, an administrator can deleted the pic without other warning message. this is the rule on commons where a lot of pics are uploaded every day, some like copyvio.

Your license is correct but it will be better if it's possible for you to upload larger pics. 800x600 is a minima. Larger is best (in articles all pics can be reduced by add of |thumb| in the image syntax. Oxam Hartog 00:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Motacilla!

Tip: Add categories to your images

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File:SS William Cory aground.jpg[edit]

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File:Nellie Wise aground Hartlepool.jpg[edit]

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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful information about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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File:J&FBell ThreeNuns 2oz.jpg[edit]

Hi there. I wonder could you provide any approximate date for this tin? Thank you. BridesheadRecarpeted (talk) 23:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Not really. On one side it says "This label is issued by the Imperial Tobacco Co. (of Great Britain & Ireland) Ltd." That doesn't help very much, as Imperial Tobacco was formed in 1901 and J&F Bell joined the group shortly afterwards. For all I know the tin could have been made anywhen from the 1930s to the 1960s. Sorry, Motacilla (talk) 19:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

TUSC token 47d74753d1187323bba262eda0bd60ad[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

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Hi Motacilla, just a note that one of your images "1 ounce (28 g) tin for Player's "Navy Cut" tobacco" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Player_%26_Sons is being used for profit, by expres-prints-online, an Ebay UK Store owned by Scott Harper, 8 Chepstow Way, Walsall, West Midlands, Ws32nb, UK. Ph: 07412021399, Email: s-harper@hotmail.com http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Players-Navy-Cut-pub-bar-Sign-Retro-metal-Aluminium-Sign-vintage-/121283056058?pt=UK_Home_HomeDecor_Accessories&hash=item1c3d0891ba contact customerhelp_uk@ebay.com to arrange to have the offending item/s removed, you will likely have to fill out a required copyright infringement notice (NOCI1). I have had the same problems with this person illegally downloading my work and printing it onto metal signs for sale, this repeat offender and thief needs to get the message this is not OK. Thanks Darian Zam.

Copyright status: File:FURWIT06.jpg[edit]

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JuTa 15:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Danke für deine Nachricht. Die Quelle des Fotografs gibt kostenlose Urheberrechterlaubnis aber es ist mir nicht klar, welche Lizenz sie ist. Wann ich diesen Upload gemacht habe, ich habe eine Erklärung bei File_talk:FURWIT06.jpg gemacht, und darin habe ich eine Bitte für Hilfe damit gemacht.
Der neuer Artikel RMS Nova Scotia (1926) braucht einen Foto des Schiffes, und ich habe Schwierigkeit gehabt einen urheberrechtlose Foto zu finden. Wenn du kannst entweder mit dem Urheberrecht dieses Fotos hilfen, oder einen anderen urheberrechtlosen und guten Foto des Schiffes zu finden, du würdest sehr viel helfen und ich würde sehr dankbar sein!
Es grüßt dich, Motacilla (talk) 10:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Class 142 Picture Danescourt[edit]

Hi Motacilla,

I would like to use your image of the Class 142 in our brochure. If you have no objection perhaps you let me know how to attribute the image.

Kind Regards

Joel (Dapol Ltd)

Unnecessary deletion requests for church images[edit]

Please stop nominating perfectly good images for deletion, deletion requests should be used for copyright violations. You are harming the good work of other contributors by your actions Oxyman (talk) 14:37, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

What a high-handed tone you have! The only images that I nominate are of low resolution, low quality and generally duplicated by better images of the same subject. If donating such images to Wikimedia Commons is "good work", why should I continue to donate high quality 2 MB ones taken with good cameras? Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Existence of other images doesn't stop you donating other ones, this is false logic, other images have a value that perhaps you have failed to perceive, they show the situation at different times, even if nothing has changed, they show that. Oxyman (talk) 14:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Edits to descriptions[edit]

I suggest you take greater care when editing descriptions supplied by the author: Things like correcting errors and adding pertinent info are fine, but removing things less so. I have real objections if the description of one of my works is degraded, eg by removal of info I feel significant, and this could cause minor irritation by authors more generally.

Some examples:

  1. File:Hexworthy Bridge.jpg: The name of the bridge is 'Hexworthy Bridge' OR 'Huccaby Bridge', not 'Hexworthy or Huccaby Bridge'. That is how the bridge is listed, but that's because both names are used. For instance, OS has consistently preferred Hexworthy.
  2. File:Horner packhorse bridge.jpg: Why remove the mention of Exmoor? I consider that more pertinent to the file than the county.
  3. File:Lerryn Bridge at high tide.jpg and File:Lerryn Bridge at low tide.jpg: Why remove mention of the estuary? The fact the river is tidal below the bridge is significant to the images - hence the inclusion of 'tide' in the file name. I also phrased the description to try break up the repetition of "Lerryn" and make the sentence a bit less of a mouthful.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Riley cars[edit]

Dear Motacilla, Thank you for your provision of four nice pictures of an aging Riley Kestrel. I've noted your interest in birdlife. We have a problem. Because a Kestrel body may conceal vaious sizes of engine, I quote "Body names. Each chassis could take any of three or more different bodies from the Riley catalogue of more than fifty different bodies, some of the names of those bodies are listed below:
Adelphi, Adelphi-Sprite, Alpine, Alpine Fabric, Alpine Gamecock, Alpine Half-pane, Alpine Tourer, Ascot, Autovia, Biarritz, Brooklands, Chatsworth, Continental, Deauville, Edinburgh, Falcon, Foleshill, Gamecock, Gloucester, Grangeworth, Grebe, Holbrook, Hoyal, Imp, Kestrel, Kestrel-Sprite, Light-6, Lincock, Lulworth, Lynx, Lynx-Sprite, Maltby Redfern, March, Mentone, Merlin, Midworth, Monaco, MPH, Roebill, San Remo, Sprite, Stelvio, Tourer, Touring, Treen, Trinity, Ulster, Victor, Wentworth, Winchester,"

So you see just saying its a Kestrel does not tell us enough and while you are definite it is a 1936 car it does not appear in the DVLA records under the displayed number and now I can't put it away in the right category. Can you suggest what should be done. (I realise you or an acquaintance might commute daily in it). Sorry to trouble you but please would you come up with more info. Kind regards and lots of thanks for the nice images, Eddaido (talk) 08:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, I take your point about Riley's blizzard of body names! I just found the car at the Oxford Spires Hotel and rather recklessly assumed it was a Kestrel. I can't remember if I met and spoke with the owner, and I certainly don't know the engine size. Two editions of the Bulletin of the Riley Register mention or depict DVW 374, according to the .pdf of its index online [1]. That index does not seem to give the model, so one would need one of those editions of the Bulletin to find out.
I am much more sure of the year the car was registered. According to Glass's Index of Registration Numbers, Essex County Council issued the DVW block of registration marks from June to August 1936. I use 1954, 1959 and 1964 editions of Glass's Index. They seem not to cover every block of numbers ever issued until 1964, but the 1954 edition is a 21st anniversary special whose coverage of pre-WW2 numbers seems comprehensive.
Does this give you a bit more on which to base a decision? Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 21:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes it does, thank you, but not enough, yet. I've added a note of possible engines to the Kestrel page. Bin ruminatin and will now write to the Riley Register. I knew there was a publication that explained old licence numbers. Thank you very much for its name. I see eBay sometimes has those guides. Do I want the 1954 edition or its supplement? Thanks and regards Eddaido (talk) 07:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I think William Glass Ltd published Glass's Index every year, but added supplements as the ever-increasing rate of vehicle registrations overtook it. The 1954 "Twenty-First Anniversary Edition" seems to provide more or less complete coverage 1903–54. For subsequent years I have the 1959 and 1964 editions, but they seem not to cover absolutely every number block. I suspect I need some intermediate years to fill those in! Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 08:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I've had this message from rileyrob: "The Red Kestrel is, as I suspected from the photos, recorded in my database as a 1936/7 Kestrel 12/4. That means a 1937 model registered at the tail end of 1936, which was quite common back then." For the moment I've left your photos where they are but added a note of possible chassis (OK, engines) for the Kestrel body.
I wish a method might be devised to allow readers to find all the Kestrels and also find all the 12/4s and all the Kestrel 12/4s. I mean a kind of matrix that would let us look at these things from different views (do I mean dimensions?). When I tried to achieve something like this elsewhere in Wikimedia I was found to be in contravention of the rules (again).
Can you suggest a solution? Please, Eddaido (talk) 22:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry but I'm out of my depth here. I like Rileys but am no expert. I simply photographed a pretty car, surmised (very possibly wrongly) what model it might be and uploaded it. Please forgive me if I leave this puzzle to others who know more about Riley models and how to categorise cars on Wikimedia! Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Categorising ships[edit]

I changed the categorising of the Evangelia. We have more than 30.000 ships categorised via "name (ship, year of completion)" system and I saw no reason to deviate of that system for this ship. Found her details here --Stunteltje (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I would thank you and apologise were your correction entirely constructive. Instead clearly I should apologise for donating my time to Commons to correct the year of build (1942, not 1948). I should also apologise for adding the correct categories from this edition of Lloyd's Register for where the ship was built, the fact that she was a UK steamship, a reefer ship and a Blue Star Line ship. I am not sure whether the source you cite has the correct name for the ship either. This one, which admittedly does not cite all its sources, says E Evangelia, not Evangelia.
In your message you don't even bother with the basic courtesy of saying thankyou for my contribution(s). All you seem interested in is proving how and why I'm wrong. Normally I "assume good faith" of course, but this type of reversion is too negative and therefore demoralising for me to deal with.
You could have preserved all the improvements I had given to the categorisation. But clearly that was less important than your wielding a blunt, punitive revert that does at least as much harm as good. You reverted the year of build from right to wrong. You deleted the ship from a whole set of correct categories. You even deleted the category page I created, so that I can't even find it to copy all the categories I added.
Please do not expect me to restore the work you have destroyed. I am not here to waste my time repeating the labours of Sisyphus. In the recent past this kind of behaviour on both Commons and Wikipedia has stopped me from contributing for several months at a time. At this rate it is likely to do so again.
Goodbye. Motacilla (talk) 00:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
My time to apologise, I was much, much too fast. This project is done in a way that people who have better information correct the wrong information. I don't have any problem with correting my work that way, I will restore your information. The only thing is, that I was surprised that you introduced a way of categorising ships that the community doesn't use any more in Commons for more than 30.000 ships. No problem at all to do that in local wikipedias, as every language has its own way. E.g. the English categorise by year of launching, the Germans and Dutch by year of completion. Standardisation makes it possible that people can find images to illustrate their articles. That is, as far as I know, the reason for Commons.
I missed the E in the name in the copy-paste and I restored your information as far as I could find. --Stunteltje (talk) 06:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Categorization[edit]

Hello,

I noticed you're creating some entries at COM:CFD regarding categorization. If you move a category and you don't know what to do with the old one, it's usually wise to leave a redirect as long as it's not misleading. You may find some help at Commons:Renaming a category. This would be my answer to:

as for:

you say that both ships were completed in 1910, but you created Category:Rotorua (ship, 1910) and Category:Rotorua (ship, 1911). Did you make a typo somewhere?

Anyway, I'm not a ship person so I would defer to the people at WikiProject Ships is they tell you any different.

Thanks, –⁠moogsi (talk) 17:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

NZ Shipping Co's Rotorua (ship, 1910) was built in 1910 and sunk by torpedo in 1917. (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/newzealand.shtml) Rotorua (ship, 1911) was built in 1911 as Federal Steam Navigation Co's Shropshire, renamed Rotorua in 1922, transferred to the NZ Shipping Co in 1936 and sunk by torpedo in 1940. (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/federal.shtml) I do make mistakes, but I am not aware of this being one of them. Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't suggesting that you made a mistake, just that you'd contradicted yourself and I didn't know what was right: here you say "There were at least two liners called "Rotorua": one built in 1910 and sunk in 1917; the other built in 1910 as "Shropshire", renamed "Rotorua" in 1922 and sunk in 1940." Carry on :) –⁠moogsi (talk) 16:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)